There has been a lot of talk of the rift between the republican party that the shutdown has exposed and the "new york times" calling it a civil war. Jon karl is back with us. You explored that civil... See More
There has been a lot of talk of the rift between the republican party that the shutdown has exposed and the "new york times" calling it a civil war. Jon karl is back with us. You explored that civil war with two republicans this week. I talked to two high profile republicans, both potential presidential candidates, as you'll see they represent opposite sides of this battle for the future of the republican party. The deal was a terrible deal. The washington establishment sold the american people down the river. It provided no relief for the millions of people that are hurting because of obama care but it is worth also focusing on what did happen because a lot, i think, was accomplished in the last couple of months. Number one, the public debate over the harms that obama care is inflicting, it elevated the public debate. That's critically important. People hated this shutdown, they hated this impasse and this was seen as the ted cruz shutdown. You more than any single individual were seen as the one that triggered this crises to begin with. Jon, I agree that a lot of d.C. Politicians tried to call it that and a lot of the media did, too. We're talking about public opinion nationally. I said throughout this we shouldn't have a shutdown. I don't want a shutdown. I repeatedly voted to open the government. There never would have been a shutdown if you hadn't gone with the strategy that -- there never would have been a shutdown if harry reid and president obama said we will not compromise or negotiate, shut the government down. How much do your colleagues just despise you right now on the floor? I hear really strong language from your own fellow republican senators. I think it's obvious that we are now seeing the end of this agonizing odyssey. It's one of the more shameful chapters that I have seen. You made enemies in this battle. There is an old saying that politics ain't bean bag. I'm not serving in office because I desperately needed 99 new friends in the u.S. Senate. Given the choice between being reviled in washington d.C. And appreciated in texas, or reviled in texas and appreciated in washington, I would take the former 100 out of 100 times. You did a radio interview where you compared senate republicans to an air force going over and bombing their own troops, bombing house conservatives. When you have got half the caucus firing cannons at house republicans, it sab taejs the effort. The reason this lousy deal was reached is because unfortunately senate republicans made the choice not to support house republicans. You're saying more than that. You're saying not only did they not support house conservatives but they attacked house conservatives. It's unfortunate that you saw multiple members of the senate republicans going on television attacking house conservatives, attacking the efforts to defund obama care saying it cannot win. It's a fools error. We will lose, this must fail. That is a recipe for losing the fight and it's a shame. We didn't win this battle, but i am encouraged that we have demonstrated when the american people stand up, the house of representatives will listen and I hope in time the senate will listen also. What next? We have another deadline, government funding runs out on JANUARY 15th. Will you rule out pushing to the brink of another shutdown by saying you would block funding for the government unless obama Will you do that again? I will do anything and continue to do anything I can to stop the train wreck that is obama care. What I intend to do is continue standing with the american people to work to stop obama care because it isn't working. It's costing people's jobs and taking away health care. Cruz continues to be under fire from members of his party including former florida governor jeb bush who told us it caused republicans to lose ground. This shutdown is over. We're back from the brink. No default. Was there anything gained in all this? No. I think there was some ground lost from the political point of view. This started with republicans mostly in the house saying that they wanted to gut obama care and they were willing to not fund the government until that happened. They changed their position a little as it went along. How badly are republicans hurt? It started with their strategy. Tactically it was a mistake to focus on something that couldn't be achieved. That's what that was, tactics. In fact, I would argue that allowing obama care to be implemented, two things would happen, one it would be so dysfunctional if it was implemented faithfully that it would be clear for more people. Or it couldn't be implemented because the government is not capable of doing it. It looks like the latter rather than the former may be happening, but that was all crowded out by a miscalculation of using something that shouldn't be used, the debt ceiling limit and continuation of the budget. What do you think when you see these guys, your own party coming out and saying the debt ceiling, we don't necessarily need to raise that? Well, you have to pay your obligations. I do a lot of traveling overseas and when we have these political conversations that are not grounded in reality, the rest of the world looks at us as untrustworthy. That has implications not just for us, slowdown of economic activity but it has implications in the world. People have to count on the united states. If we're behaving this way, it makes it harder to do so. Look, I'm not -- I want to make sure everybody understands, I'm not blaming republicans. I think we have a systemic problem in washington right now and the void of leadership is making it harder to get to a better place. The better place would be that with civility have a dialogue about the bigger pressing issues and try to find common ground rather than use each instance to win a political point. We need to start solving problems and I think the president does not deserve credit in this either. I just spoke to ted cruz and he was the guy who said, hey, let's not agree to a funding resolution unless obama care is defunded. That was the strategy that really kicked it off and he told me that he will do anything he can to stop obama care and he does not rule out pushing to the brink once again. What would your message be to ted cruz? Frankly, I think the best way to repeal obama care is to have an alternative. We never hear the alternative. We could do this in a much lower cost with equality based on our principles, free market principles, and two, show how obama care, flawed to its core doesn't work. Have a little bit of self-restraint. It might actually be a politically better approach to see the massive dysfunction but we don't even hear about that because we've stepped on that message. I think republicans need to just take a step back and allow -- show a little self-restraint and let this happen a little more
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