RADDATZ: We're kind of like the fence-sitters now, right? Sam...
DONALDSON: But we have no choice.
RADDATZ: Yeah, we have no choice, but it's the fence-sitters that everybody talks about, they're going to side with the winner. And I think that's what you're seeing in the administration. And it's a very difficult fence to ride.
DONALDSON: I read in the newspaper this morning, Elliot Abrams, a former assistant secretary of state and in the George W. Bush administration National Security Council, he didn't say we should intervene militarily, not by a long shot, but he implied that we needed to do more than just speak out. He didn't tell us what more, of course. But I don't think we're going to send in the Third Armored Division into Egypt or anywhere else now.
WILL: Well, picking up on what Martha said, we have seen authoritarian regimes more or less successfully overturned, the Philippines and South Korea, but generally what happens is the very aspects of the society that bring about an upheaval like this and we're seeing in Egypt right now is the weakness of civil society, no parties, no press, no tradition of persuasion, courts, et cetera.
Therefore, the one institution that exists that brings order is the military. The archetypal modern revolution was the French revolution. Order was restored by a Corsican captain of artillery called Napoleon, hence, the tradition of Bonapartism, which we might see come back in Egypt.
TAPPER: Abed, do you think that it's possible that Mubarak is letting some chaos reign right now so that Egyptians, who basically want to live their lives, even if they want their freedoms -- they -- they don't want to die, they want their stores to be able to open on Sunday -- so that they embrace a -- a restoration of order, a martial law? Do you think it's possible that Mubarak is doing that?
FOUKARA: It is entirely possible. And should that be the case, what happened in Tunisia has proven the failure of that strategy, because we had a similar thing. After the president of Tunisia fled the country, there were bands of gangsters who in some cases turned out to be secret police or goaded by secret police to do that -- to undertake that -- that -- that sort of action in Tunisia. We've seen in Egypt militias of civilian Egyptians basically taking care of the protection of various places, such as the National Museum. So there is definitely that scenario in Egypt.
I just want to quickly go back to the issue of the army. The United States has, obviously, through the decades invested in military-to-military cooperation with the Egyptians. I think...
RADDATZ: They were here just last week.
FOUKARA: They were here just last week. The -- the -- the chief of the Egyptian army was here in -- in Washington. He cut his visit short, went back to Cairo for the obvious reasons.
It seems to me that that kind of investment was the right investment, because eventually the army will always play a role in whatever happens in Egypt.
I think the second component that I would like to talk about now is that, in the same way the United States has invested time and treasure and other things in the Egyptian army, they need -- the Obama administration needs to be investing in democracy. This is not about the Muslim Brotherhood leading this or -- do not exclude that they may have something to do with it. This is about the Middle East not going back to what it was just two months ago.