Lorde Says Taylor Swift Showed Her How to Be Friends With Girls

— -- Lorde is part of one of the most exclusive female friendship circles of all time -- formed by Taylor Swift -- but in an interview with fellow Swift bestie Lena Dunham for Dazed magazine, she admitted she never thought she could have girlfriends.

“I mean, she definitely brought me into this amazing world of supportive female friendship,” Lorde said. “For me, someone starts talking about boys and I’m like, ‘I just don’t know what to say.’ I’m useless in that capacity and that was why I thought, ‘Well, I can’t have girlfriends [because] I don’t know how to talk about boys.’ But Taylor just glosses over the fact that I’m terrible at that and she’s just like, ‘It’s OK, I’ll love you for your other qualities.’”

The New Zealand singer dished to Dunham that she’s always surrounded herself with mostly guy friends.

“I have a lot of dude friends,” she said. “I was kind of the camp mother of all the guys.”

"I feel like teenage boys, all their emotions are really simple and diluted. Teenage girls feel everything so intensely and are so multi-faceted," she continued. "Boys are just like, they’ll rest a head on your shoulder and you know exactly what that means.”

Whether she’s hanging with girls or guys, Lorde remains true to her feminist roots. But she admitted she’s still learning.

“I’m not just going to do a 180 on a girl because she hasn’t learned about feminism,” she said. “I remember not being 100 percent sure what feminism or intersectional feminism is -- I’m still not 100 percent sure! …For a long time, I wasn’t aware of how important it was to be a feminist for all women.”

One thing she's always been sure of? Herself. When she first entered the music business as a young teen, no one tried to mess with her image because, she said, "my sense of self felt too permanent for anyone to f**k with."

Lena interviewed Lorde for Dazed’s Girls Rule the World issue, and after their chat was published, Lorde tweeted, “So lucky to have a friend in lena, one i can learn from and alongside every day as we navigate the strange world we're in.”