'You lied yesterday,' Trump attorney accuses witness
With Donald Trump sitting just feet away, lawyers for Trump and New York Attorney General Letitia James engaged in a heated argument about whether an expert real estate appraiser committed perjury during his testimony yesterday.
"You lied yesterday, didn't you?" defense lawyer Lazaro Fields asked former Cushman & Wakefield real estate executive Doug Larson -- a line of questioning that prompted Larson to be excused from the courtroom while the attorneys sparred.
"This witness has rights and a lawyer in the room," Trump lawyer Chris Kise said, while lawyers for the state shouted "absurd" and "witness intimidation" from their chairs.
The squabble centered on Larson's testimony about whether he assisted the Trump Organization in determining capitalization rates to value their properties.
"Did you work with Mr. McConney in 2013 to determine the cap rate that he used to value his property?" state attorney Mark Ladov asked Larson yesterday, referring to Trump Organization controller Jeffrey McConney.
"No, I did not," Larson testified yesterday.
Fields attempted to contradict Larson's answer this morning by showing emails between McConney and Larson that suggested the two occasionally spoke about market conditions.
"Jeff McConney would call me, periodically, not frequently, to talk about sales and market conditions," Larson conceded.
But Larson denied having conversations with McConney about the value of Trump's 40 Wall Street property in 2013.
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After a brief interruption, Fields presented a 2014 email where McConney asked Larson, "I hate to be a pest, but the accountants are coming in tomorrow to go over my valuations. Any chance you can answer my question below?"
Asked about that email, Larson acknowledged that McConney was using his information to support Trump Organization valuations in 2013.
It was at this point that Fields directly asked if Larson had lied yesterday, prompting the witness to be excused briefly.
"He perjured himself yesterday, in my opinion," Kise told the court.
"This is a performance … not a legal issue," Wallace countered.
"He was accused of perjury on the stand," Engoron noted before bringing Larson back into the courtroom.
While Larson still denied that he "worked with" McConney on the valuations, he ultimately conceded that he knew the information he provided was used to value Trump properties at the time -- seemingly contradicting his testimony yesterday.
"You knew in 2013 that Mr. McConney was using the information you sent him, mainly the capitalization rates, to value the Trump properties?" Fields said.
"I did," Larson said.