Trump trial: Hope Hicks faces her ex-boss on 'Access Hollywood' tape, Daniels payment

Trump's former top aide was the top witness on Day 11 of his hush money trial.

Last Updated: May 3, 2024, 12:56 PM EDT

Former President Donald Trump is on trial in New York City, where he is facing felony charges related to a 2016 hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels. It marks the first time in history that a former U.S. president has been tried on criminal charges.

Trump last April pleaded not guilty to a 34-count indictment charging him with falsifying business records in connection with a hush money payment his then-attorney Michael Cohen made to Daniels in order to boost his electoral prospects in the 2016 presidential election.

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May 03, 2024, 12:56 PM EDT

Hicks recounts learning of Karen McDougal story

Longtime Trump aide Hope Hicks testified that she first heard the name Stormy Daniels in 2015 when she overheard some of the security on Trump's plane discuss a golf tournament Trump attended.

"Her name came up. She was there was with one of the other participants that Mr. Trump had played with that day," Hicks said.

Hicks said she first learned of Karen McDougal when the Wall Street Journal reached out for comment regarding their AMI payment story on Nov. 4, 2016, as the newspaper was preparing to break the story that National Enquirer parent AMI had paid off Karen McDougal to buy her silence about a long-denied affair with Trump.

Jurors were then shown the email Hicks received on Nov. 4, 2016, from the Wall Street Journal.

Hicks said she received the email ahead of a campaign rally.

"I was sort of dealing with this by myself on the plane while the rally was taking place," Hicks said.

According to Hicks, she notified Trump about the story before the rally began.

"I was worried about not having enough time to respond while he was speaking," Hicks said.

Hicks said she forwarded the email to Jared Kushner in part because he had "a very good relationship with Rupert Murdoch," the owner of the Wall Street Journal.

Hicks said she hoped Kushner could "buy a little extra time to deal with this."

"I think [Kushner] said he wasn't going to be able to reach Murdoch and that we should work on responding and deal with it," Hicks said.

Hicks said she called David Pecker's office as well as Cohen, due to his relationship with Pecker.

May 03, 2024, 12:46 PM EDT

Hicks says she asked Michael Cohen about a 2nd rumored tape

Longtime Trump aide Hope Hicks testified that she spoke with then-Trump attorney Michael Cohen on Oct. 8, 2016, to ask about a rumor she had heard of another potential tape that could be released, following the release of the "Access Hollywood" tape.

"I was calling to ask him to chase down a rumor I had heard with a contact he was familiar with in the media," Hicks said, describing that there "might be another tape that might be problematic for the campaign."

"I didn't want anyone to be blindsided. I wanted to have an understanding of what material was out there that we needed to prepare for," Hicks said.

Hicks said that no such tape existed but Cohen still chased down the rumor for her. She spoke vaguely about what the potential story was.

Hicks was then asked about Trump's campaign speech in Greensboro, North Carolina, which jurors watched earlier this week. Prosecutors again played the tape for the jury.

"These are all horrible lies, all fabrications," Trump told the crown in Greensboro regarding accusations of infidelity. "And we can't let them change the most important election in our lifetime."

"If 5% of the people think it's true and maybe 10% think, we don't win," Trump said at the rally.

Hicks also was asked about Trump's tweets after the "Access Hollywood" video was released.

"Nothing ever happened with any of these women. Totally made up nonsense to steal the election," Trump wrote in one tweet.

May 03, 2024, 12:36 PM EDT

'It was intense,' Hicks says of coverage of 'Access Hollywood' tape

Longtime Trump aide Hope Hicks testified about the ensuing coverage of the "Access Hollywood" tape.

"It was intense. Dominated coverage for the 36 hours leading up the debate," Hicks said.

Hicks recalled that a Category 4 hurricane was predicted to make landfall around the same time, but the Trump coverage completely dominated the news.

"I don't think anywhere remembers where or when that hurricane made landfall. It was all Trump all the time for ... 36 hours," Hicks said.

Former President Donald Trump attends his criminal trial at the New York State Supreme Court in New York,, May, 3, 2024.
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Hicks testified about how other Republican politicians -- like Mitt Romney and Mitch McConnell -- responded to the Access Hollywood tape.

"Things like disgraces, disgusting, something along those lines," Hicks said in describing Romney's statement.

In the courtroom, Trump has been sitting slightly back in his chair for the bulk of Hicks' testimony. His body is angled slightly toward the witness stand to watch the testimony.

He appeared to be taking some handwritten notes while his lawyers attended a sidebar conference with the judge.

May 03, 2024, 12:28 PM EDT

Trump felt 'Access Hollywood' tape 'wasn't good,' Hicks says

Longtime Trump aide Hope Hicks testified that when she informed Trump's brain trust of the discovery of the "Access Hollywood" tape, there was a consensus among the staff that "the tape was damaging. This was a crisis."

"This was kind of pulling us backwards in a way that was going to be hard to overcome," Hicks said.

Hicks said she was not immediately concerned about the impact of the tape on female voters, but the concern was "quickly raised."

"Mr. Trump felt this wasn't good," Hicks said, but he didn't think it was "something to get so upset over."

"He felt this was pretty standard stuff for two guys chatting with each other," Hicks said.

At this point in Hicks' testimony, jurors were shown the written statement that the Trump campaign issued on the afternoon that the "Access Hollywood" tape was released.

"This was locker room banter…" the statement said in part.

Jurors then saw the same video statement from Trump that was played for them earlier this morning during the Georgia Longstreet direct examination.

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