Jan. 6 hearing shows Barr saying Trump 'detached from reality' in pushing 'big lie'

A key witness, Trump's 2020 campaign manager, was unable to testify.

The House select committee held another public hearing Monday -- this time focused on the "big Lie" pushed by former President Donald Trump and his allies -- that the committee says fueled those who attacked the U.S. Capitol.


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'Big lie was also a big ripoff:' Lawmaker previews fundraising efforts

Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., said the committee will demonstrate that Trump and his closest advisers knew his claims of election fraud were false, but continued to peddle them anyway, and even fundraised off those claims which "rioters later used to justify attacking the Capitol on Jan. 6."

"We will also show that the Trump campaign used these false claims of election fraud to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from supporters who were told the donations were for the legal fight in the courts. But the Trump campaign didn't use the money for that," she said.

"'The big lie' was also a big ripoff," Lofgren added, going on to use video of Trump to argue that he "laid the groundwork for these false claims well in advance of the election."


Cheney lays out 'three points' to establish Trump aware he lost

Using video testimony, Vice Chair Liz Cheney said the committee will show how Trump and his campaign knew the election was lost but continued to espouse the "big lie," laying out three points to focus on.

"First, you will hear firsthand testimony that the president's campaign advisers urged him to await the counting of votes and not to declare victory on election night. The president understood, even before the election, that many more Biden voters had voted by mail because President Trump ignored the advice of his campaign experts and told his supporters only to vote in person," she said, attempting to illustrate Trump was aware.

"Second, pay attention to what Donald Trump and his legal team said repeatedly about Dominion voting machines," Cheney said, calling them "Far-flung conspiracies with deceased Venezuelan communists allegedly pulling the strings," which even Trump Attorney General Bill Barr and White House lawyer Eric Herschmann didn't believe.

"And third, as Mike Pence's staff started to get a sense for what Donald Trump had planned for January 6, they called the campaign experts to give them a briefing on election fraud and all the other election claims," she said. "On January 2nd, the general counsel of the Trump campaign, Matthew Morgan -- this is a campaign's chief lawyer -- summarized what the campaign had concluded weeks earlier, that none of the arguments about fraud or anything else could actually change the outcome of the election."


Trump White House lawyer debunks baseless conspiracy about Dominion voting machines

Committee Vice Chair Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., shared deposition testimony from former White House lawyer Eric Herschmann on the former president's baseless claims that Dominion voting machines were compromised.

"I never saw any evidence whatsoever to sustain those allegations," Herschmann told the committee.

Cheney claimed that Herschmann's view was shared by many in the Trump team that the committee interviewed .

Dominion has filed several defamation lawsuits against those who spread baseless claims that their voting machines "stole" votes.


Chairman outlines how Trump 'knew he lost'

Chairman Bennie Thompson said Monday's hearing would use evidence to show how Trump lost the election but "ignored the will of the voters" and "lied to his supporters" in an effort to remain in office.

"This morning, we will tell the story of how Donald Trump lost an election and knew he lost an election, and as a result of his loss, decided to wage an attack on our democracy -- an attack on the American people by trying to rob you of your voice in our democracy," Thompson said.

"And in doing so lit the fuse that lead to horrific violence of January 6, when a mob of his supporters storm the Capitol sent by Donald Trump to stop the transfer of power," Thompson added. "Today, my colleague from California, Ms. Lofgren, and our witnesses will detail the select committee's findings on these matters."


Cheney promises 'important and effective' hearings despite losing key witness

Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., vice chair of the committee, told reporters to prepare for a substantial hearing despite Trump's former campaign manager Bill Stepien having to drop out from testifying live at the last minute due to a family emergency.

"We're going to have a very important and effective set of hearings. As you know, Mr. Stepien has appeared previously, and so we'll be able to provide the American people with a lot of interesting new and important information that Mr. Stephens provided to us previously," Cheney said.

She also confirmed the committee will show video of Stepien's interview.