High drama as Jan. 6 hearing details Trump's effort to corrupt Justice Department
Former DOJ officials described how they resisted Trump's relentless pressure.
Thursday's hearing of the Jan. 6 committee focused on the pressure then-President Donald Trump and his allies put on the Justice Department to help overturn the 2020 election.
Here is how the hearing unfolded:
- Previewing next hearing, chair calls Jan. 6 attack 'backup plan' in a 'political coup'
- Trump considered ‘blanket pardons’ for everyone involved in Jan. 6
- Trump WH officials testify which GOP representatives asked for presidential pardons
- Official recalls asking DOJ head of national security to stay on amid mass resignation planning
- Trump on trying to change DOJ leadership: ‘What do I have to lose?’
Trump: 'Just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to us'
Drawing from handwritten notes, then-acting deputy attorney general Richard Donoghue documented that Trump told him to, "Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen."
When Donoghue told Trump he couldn't change the outcome of the election, he recalled Trump "responded very quickly."
"And said, 'that's not what I'm asking you to do -- I'm just asking you to say it is corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen," Donoghue said.
He also said Trump told him the Justice Department was "obligated to tell people that this was an illegal, corrupt election," despite officials repeatedly telling him no widespread fraud existed and that Biden was the legitimate winner.
Rep. Adam Kinzinger emphasized the gravity of Trump's request.
"'Just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to us,'" he said. "The president wanted the top Justice Department officials to declare that the election was corrupt, even though, as he knew, there was absolutely no evidence to support that statement."
Taped testimony previews showdown Oval Office meeting with Trump
Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., played previous video testimony ahead of questioning live witnesses to preview how the committee would reveal findings from what took place inside a heated Oval Office meeting on Jan. 3, 2021, between Trump and top Justice Department officials.
"The meeting took about another two and a half hours from the time I entered. It was entirely focused on whether there should be a DOJ leadership change," former deputy acting attorney general Richard Donoghue recalled in taped testimony. "I would say, directly in front of the president, Jeff Rosen was to my right. Jeff Clark was to my left."
"He looked at me and he underscored," said former acting attorney general Jeff Rosen, "'Well the one thing we know is you're not gonna do anything, you don’t even agree that the concerns that are being presented are valid. And here is someone who has a different view, so, why shouldn't I do that, you know?' That's how the discussion went, proceeded."
Former White House attorney Eric Herschmann underscored the purpose of the meeting, where "Jeff Clark was proposing that Jeff Rosen be replaced by Jeff Clark -- and I thought the proposal was asinine."
Donoghue recalled that Clark "repeatedly said to the president that if he was put in the seat, he would conduct real investigations that would, in his view, uncover widespread fraud."
DOJ denied all of Trump’s requests ahead of Jan. 6: Rosen
Former acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen told the committee that Trump made several requests to the Department of Justice after Bill Barr left his position in December 2020.
According to Rosen, Trump called him "virtually every day" between December 23 and January 3.
Trump wanted the DOJ to appoint a special counsel for election fraud, set up a meeting with Rudy Giuliani, to potentially file a lawsuit in the Supreme Court, hold a press conference and to send letters to state legislatures furthering baseless claims of fraud.
"I will say that the Justice Department declined all of those requests that I was just referencing," Rosen said, "because we did not think that they were appropriate based on the facts and the law as we understood them."
Former White House attorney suggests Clark ready to commit felony
The committee played a video of former Trump White House attorney Eric Herschmann recalling what he said he told Jeffrey Clark, a lower-level DOJ official overseeing environmental law enforcement, who supported Trump's proposal to have him become acting attorney general to help overturn the election results.
"When he finished discussing what he planned on doing, I said '[expletive], congratulations. You just admitted your first step you would take as AG would be committing a felony," Herschmann said. "'You're clearly the right candidate for this job.'"
"I told Clark the only thing he knew was that environmental and election both start with "e," and I'm not even sure you know that," he added.
In audio testimony, former deputy acting attorney general Richard Donoghue also recalled telling Clark, "Go back to your office, we'll call you when there's an oil spill," and calling the draft letter he wanted to send swing states to appoint alternate slates "a murder-suicide pact."
Rosen and Donoghue were detailing a two-and-half Oval Office meeting where Trump repeatedly pressed but was eventually dissuaded from his plan to install Clark atop the Justice Department to pursue baseless allegations of voter fraud just days before Congress was set to convene to certify Biden's victory.
Trump considered ‘blanket pardons’ for everyone involved in Jan. 6
In a taped deposition, former director of the White House Presidential Personnel Office John McEntee said he witnessed Trump having conversations about the possibility of a "blanket pardon" for all those involved in Jan. 6.
When asked by the committee if Trump thought about pardons for his family members, McEntee said Trump had hinted at a blanket pardon "for all the staff and everyone involved" before he left office.
Rep. Adam Kinzinger responded to that by saying, "The only reason I know to ask for a pardon is because you think you have committed a crime."