Haley spars with Republican rivals at 3rd primary debate as Trump still looms
The night heavily focused on international affairs.
The third Republican debate of the 2024 presidential primary was held Wednesday night in Miami.
Five candidates took the stage: former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott.
Missing -- again -- was front-runner Donald Trump, who instead hosted a rally not far away, in Hialeah, Florida.
ABC News and the analysts at 538 live-blogged every major moment and highlight from the debate. PolitiFact made real-time fact checks of key statements.
Key moments:
Scott said GOP tax cut led to higher revenues. Did it?
“When we cut taxes in 2017, I wrote The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. Everybody said, 'Well guess what? Revenue will go down.' Well in 2018, after we wrote it in 2017, what happened? Revenue went up by 3%, and the next year, it went up by another 3%,” Scott said. “So what we know is that the Laffer Curve still works. That the lower the tax, the higher the revenue."
If you look at the sheer number of dollars collected, irrespective of inflation and without regard to the size of the overall economy or other factors, tax revenues went up very slightly.
Specifically, federal data shows that tax revenues rose between fiscal year 2017 and fiscal year 2018 by 0.4%. (Federal fiscal years run from Oct. 1 to Sept. 30.) The rise is smaller than almost every previous year since World War II, except for a handful of years in which tax revenues declined, largely due to recessions.
But even that increase isn’t really applicable because the fiscal year is different from the tax year.
And the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a group that favors shrinking the federal deficit, found that the small increase in nominal dollars collected disappears once you add in other factors. If you adjust for inflation, the group found, tax revenues actually fell by 1.6%.
-Analysis by Aaron Sharockman, PolitiFact
Various proposals to preserving Social Security
Christie kicked off a discussion on keeping Social Security sustainable. He has proposed raising the retirement age for younger Americans as part of his reforms to the key welfare program, though wouldn't give a number when asked during the debate, saying that would be a negotiation with Congress.
"I'm not going to start negotiating until I get there," he said.
Haley has also said she would be open to raising the retirement age, though she also didn't give a specific number.
"What I can tell you is it's going to be those in their 20s just coming into the system, and it should reflect more of life expectancy. It doesn't do that now," she said.
Scott said as president he would "protect your Social Security" and would not be open to raising the retirement age.
DeSantis said the key to tackling Social Security is reducing inflation.
"I'm going to force Congress to stop spending so much money," he said.
He said he doesn't see how to raise the retirement age "when life expectancy is declining."
Ramaswamy said preserving Social Security would take "severe measures" to address national debt, including reducing the number of federal employees.
-ABC News' Meredith Deliso
Raising the Social Security retirement age is unpopular
Most of the candidates on stage said they want to increase the retirement age for Social Security benefits, with some like Christie and Haley mentioning that their proposals would mainly affect people like their children, who are in their 20s and 30s. Still, the idea of raising the eligibility age is extremely unpopular across the board. In March, 62% of Americans told Quinnipiac University they opposed raising the full retirement age from 67 to 70, with majorities opposing it in every age group. The GOP candidates are also in a tough spot because Trump has recently opposed raising the retirement age or reducing benefits. Additionally, coming off as anti-Social Security could also scare older voters, who tend to be more Republican and will make up a sizable chunk of the primary electorate.
-Analysis by Geoffrey Skelley of 538
Slamming 'Bidenomics,' the GOP field tackles increased cost of living
NBC News moderator Lester Holt asked candidates how they'd alleviate high prices for Americans in the first days of their adminstration.
DeSantis said he'd give families breathing room by gutting President Joe Biden's economic strategy, which the White House calls "Bidenomics," stating that he'd "take all the executive orders the regulations, everything to do with 'Bidenomics,' I'm going to rip it up, throw it in the trash can on day one where it belongs."
Ramaswamy, too, slammed "Bidenomics" as a "lie" before pointing to his own business career as proof he can take on the job: "It will take a CEO in the White House with zero-base budgeting to get the job done."
Scott and Christie took a different approach, arguing energy independence is key to reducing prices.
Haley, asked specifically about rural Americans suffering under inflation, pitched cutting taxes on the middle class and reigning in federal spending.
-ABC News' Alexandra Hutzler
Fact-checking Scott’s claim that 3 out of 4 Americans support 15-week abortion ban.
“Three out of four Americans agree with a 15-week limit,” Scott said.
Survey data varies on this question. A June 2023 poll sponsored by Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, an anti-abortion group, and conducted by the Tarrance Group, found that 77% of respondents said abortions should be prohibited at conception, after six weeks or after 15 weeks.
But this poll was sponsored by a group with a position on the issue, and both questions told respondents that fetuses can feel pain at 15 weeks -- an assertion that is not the universal consensus among medical experts.
Independent polls found a range of results on the question of an abortion ban after 15 weeks. A July 2022 survey from Harvard University’s Center for American Political Studies and the Harris Poll found that 23% of respondents said their state should ban abortion after 15 weeks, 12% said it should be banned at six weeks and 37% said it should be allowed only in cases of rape and incest. Collectively, that’s 72% who supported a ban at 15 weeks or less.
In two subsequent polls, the support for abortion at 15 weeks or less was not as strong. A September 2022 Economist/YouGov poll found that 39% of respondents supported a ban on abortions after 15 weeks, and 46% opposed it. And a June 2023 Associated Press-NORC poll found that for abortion up to 15 weeks, 51% of respondents said they would allow it, while 45% said they would ban it.
-Analysis by Aaron Sharockman of PolitiFact