Pence, Harris face off in VP debate with diverging views of America

Highlights from the first and only matchup between Biden, Trump's running mates

With plexiglass and more than 12 feet of distance separating them, Vice President Mike Pence and Democratic nominee Sen. Kamala Harris of California debated in Salt Lake City in the first and only one-on-one matchup between the vice presidential candidates.

The showdown came as President Donald Trump and several in his orbit have tested positive for the novel coronavirus, raising questions on a transfer of power to the vice president were Trump at 74 -- or Democratic nominee Joe Biden at 77 -- to become too ill to serve.

The debate's format was divided into nine 10-minute sections with each candidate having two minutes to respond to the opening question in each segment and the remaining time allowed for follow ups. Moderator Susan Page, Washington Bureau chief of USA Today, did not release the topics in advance.

The sole vice presidential debate follows Trump and Biden's chaotic debate last week in Cleveland.


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On the economy, Harris and Pence go back and forth on 2017 Trump tax act

Opening the night's discussion on the economy, Harris said firmly that Biden would repeal Trump's 2017 tax cuts "on day one."

"He'll get rid of it," she said. "And what he'll do with the money is invest it in the American people and through a plan that is about investing in infrastructure, something that Donald Trump said he would do, I remember hearing about some infrastructure week, I don't think it ever happened."

"But Joe Biden will do that. He'll invest in infrastructure. It's about upgrading our roads and bridges but also investing in clean energy and renewable energy," she added.

Pence responded by attacking the state of the economy after the Obama administration and tried to tie Biden and Harris to the Green New Deal proposal.

"When President Trump and I took office, America had gone through the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression," he said. "Because when Joe Biden was president, they tried to tax and spend and regulate and bail our way back to a growing economy."

When Harris responded again during the open discussion section, she underscored that her and Biden's plan would only raise taxes on wealthy Americans.

"We saw enough of it in last week's debate, but I think this is supposed to be a debate based on fact and truth," she said.  "And the truth and the fact is, Joe Biden has been very clear, he will not raise taxes on anybody who makes less than $400,000."

Pence argued that the Trump tax plan lowered taxes for average Americans and that a repeal would mean higher taxes for everyone, not just the wealthy.

"It would be important if you said the truth. Joe Biden said twice in the debate last week that he's going to repeal the Trump tax cuts," he said. "That was tax cuts that gave the average working family $2,000 in a tax break every single year."


Candidates tackle climate change, Pence skirts around direct answers

Page pivoted the conversation to climate change, noting the U.S. has seen record-setting hurricanes in the South and record-setting wildfires in the West this year, setting the stakes and posing the first question to the vice president.

"Do you believe, as the scientific community has concluded, that man-made climate change has made wildfires hotter and more deadly and hurricanes wetter and more damaging?" Page asked.

Pence didn't directly answer but warned Harris would sign the U.S. back into the Paris Climate Accord and falsely claimed Biden and Harris have committed to abolishing fossil fuel and banning fracking.

"President Trump and I believe that the progress that we have made in a cleaner environment has been happening precisely because we have a strong free market economy," Pence said.

Harris, once a proponent of the Green New Deal as both a co-sponsor of Sen. Bernie Sanders' bill and as a presidential candidate -- is now embracing Biden's climate plan and defended her running mate's record.

"First of all, I will repeat, and the American people know, that Joe Biden will not ban fracking. That is a fact. That is a fact," Harris began. "We have seen a pattern with this administration, which is, they don't believe in science."

"Joe sees what's happening on the Gulf states, which are being battered by storms. Joe has seen and talked with the farmers in Iowa whose entire crops have been destroyed because of floods. And so Joe believes, again, in science," Harris said, adding that a Biden-Harris administration would "re-enter the climate agreement with pride."

Page then asked if Pence agrees with Harris that climate change poses an existential threat to humans.

"As I said, Susan, the climate is changing. We'll follow the science," Pence said, before launching into an attack on Biden's tax plan.


Harris raises transparency concerns with Trump, hits reporting on his taxes 

Continuing on the theme of transparency, Page asked Harris, "Do voters have a right to know more detailed health information about presidential candidates especially when they're facing a challenge?"

Harris said "absolutely" and raised recent reporting on Trump's taxes.

"That's why Joe Biden has been so incredibly transparent, and certainly by contrast, the president has not. Both in terms of health records, but also let's look at taxes. We now know because of great investigative journalism that Donald Trump paid $750 in taxes. When I first heard about it, I literally said, 'You mean $750,000?'" Harris said. "And it was like, 'No, $750.'"

"We now know Donald Trump owes and is in debt for $400 million," she said, in reference to New York Times reporting. "It would be really good to know who the president of the United States, the commander in chief, owes money to because the American people have a right to know what is influencing the president's decisions and is he making those decisions on the best interest of the American people, of you, or self-interest?"

Pence defended the attack by painting Trump as a "businessman" and "job creator."

"He's paid tens of millions of dollars in taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes. He's created tens of thousands of American jobs. The president said those public reports are not accurate and the president's also released literally stacks of financial disclosures the American people can review just as the law allows," Pence said, though Trump has not released his tax returns, repeatedly saying they're under audit.


Harris touts historic nature of her vice presidential run

When asked about whether Harris had spoken with Biden about a plan in case of presidential disability, she touted her career and the historic nature of her nomination, but she said their shared purpose is the reason she is on the ticket with Biden.

"I think Joe has asked me to serve with him because he knows that we share, we share a purpose which is about lifting up the American people," Harris said. "And after the four years that we have seen of Donald Trump, unifying our country around our common values and principles."

In response to the same question, Pence touted the "transparency" that the White House practiced while the president was hospitalized at Walter Reed Medical Center.

"The American people have a right to know about the health and well-being of their president and we'll continue to do that," Pence said.


Pence presses Harris on packing the Supreme Court

Pence pivoted from a question on pre-existing conditions to press Harris for an answer on whether or not she and Biden supported adding additional seats to the Supreme Court.

"I think the American people would really like to know, if Judge Amy Coney Barrett is confirmed to the Supreme Court of the United States, are you and Joe Biden, if somehow you win this election, going to pack the Supreme Court to get your way?" the vice president asked.

Harris used her first answer to attack the Trump administration for rushing a vote on Barrett's nomination by bringing up a Republican the president often compares himself to -- Abraham Lincoln.

"It was 27 days before the election, and a seat became open on the United States court. Abraham Lincoln's party was in charge of not only the White House but the Senate," she said, referring to the 1864 election.

"But Honest Abe said it's not the right thing to do," Harris added. "The American people deserve to make the decision about who will be the next president of the United States, and then that person can select who will serve for a lifetime on the highest court of our land. And so, Joe and I are very clear: the American people are voting right now, and it should be their decision about who will serve on this most important body for a lifetime."

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Pence used her non-answer to say that Biden and Harris would pack the Supreme Court and that he and Trump would protect the current number of justices on the court. 
"The American people deserve a straight answer," he said. "And if you have not figured it out yet, the straight answer is they are going to pack the Supreme Court, if they somehow win this election.

Harris responded that Republican efforts to get more conservatives confirmed as federal judges amounted to packing the court, noting that of the 50 people the president nominated to the Court of Appeals none were Black. She did not state her position on adding seats to the U.S. Supreme Court.