Trump trial: Cohen faces Trump team grilling over past lies, recollections
The defense questioned Trump's former lawyer on Day 18 of the hush money trial.
Former President Donald Trump is on trial in New York City, where he is facing felony charges related to a 2016 hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels. It marks the first time in history that a former U.S. president has been tried on criminal charges.
Trump last April pleaded not guilty to a 34-count indictment charging him with falsifying business records in connection with a hush money payment his then-attorney Michael Cohen made to Daniels in order to boost his electoral prospects in the 2016 presidential election.
Top headlines:
- No decision yet about Trump testifying
- Defense argues Cohen's lack of retainer agreement was not an issue
- Defense accuses Cohen of lying about Trump phone call
- Defense challenges Cohen on past perjury
- Cohen says Trump approved payment of $420K, paid monthly
- Jury hears secret recording of Trump discussing payment
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Cohen questioned about Trump phone call
Defense attorney Todd Blanche, cross-examining Michael Cohen, sought to cast doubt on Cohen's testimony about calling Trump following the release of the infamous "Access Hollywood" tape in 2016.
Blanche showed Cohen notes from Cohen's interview with the special counsel who investigated Cohen in 2018.
"You told them you didn't recall speaking with President Trump about the tape?" Blanche asked.
Cohen responded that he was still being "loyal" to Trump at the time, in August 2018.
But by 2019, "you had changed your views about President Trump, correct?" Blanche asked.
"Correct," Cohen responded.
"You now said President Trump was a conman and you were ashamed?" Blanche asked.
"I said that, yes," Cohen answered.
Cohen struggles to say when an untruth is a lie
During an extended back-and-forth, Michael Cohen struggled to admit that he lied to the special counsel in 2018 about Trump's involvement in a Trump Tower project in Moscow.
"Yes, the information I have was not accurate," Cohen said.
"Is it a lie?" Defense attorney Todd Blanche asked.
"It was inaccurate, yes," Cohen said.
"Was it a lie?" Blanche asked.
"I don't know if I would characterize it as a lie. It was inaccurate," Cohen said.
"How are you distinguishing that in your head?" Blanche asked.
"It wasn't truthful," Cohen said. "If you want to call it a lie, it was a lie."
After a long pause, Cohen said, "Sure, I will say it's a lie."
Defense presses Cohen on past admiration for Trump
"You're actually obsessed with President Trump?" Blanche asked, pursuing a line of inquiry that he drew attention to in the defense's opening statement.
"I don't know that I would characterize obsessed," Cohen said. "I can't recall using that word, but I can't say it would be wrong."
Blanche asked if Cohen was "knee-deep in the cult of Donald Trump" when he said flattering things about Trump in the past.
"That's how I felt," Cohen said.
"Fair to say you admired President Trump when you were working for him?" Blanche asked.
"Yes sir," Cohen said.
Blanche questioned Cohen about Trump's book "The Art of the Deal," which Cohen has read more than once. Blanche noted that Cohen has publicly called the book a "masterpiece."
Cohen replied, "I viewed it as an excellent book."
"You've actually called it a masterpiece?" Blanche asked.
"Yes, a masterpiece," Cohen said.
As Blanche asked Cohen about his past praise of the former president, Trump quickly grabbed a stack of Post-it notes from the counsel table, jotted down a note, and passed it to attorney Emil Bove, who Trump poked to get his attention.
Defense asks Cohen about anti-Trump T-shirt
Jurors were shown a series of items that Michael Cohen sells.
"This is a $32 shirt that has a picture of President Trump in an orange jumpsuit behind bars?" Defense attorney Todd Blanche asked.
"That's what the picture shows," Cohen answered.
"You actually wore that T-shirt on your TikTok last week?" Blanche said.
"I did," Cohen said.
Defense lawyers asked for the judge to order Cohen to stop commenting about Trump last week after they flagged Cohen wearing the shirt on a TikTok live stream, ABC News reported on Friday.
Defense accuses Cohen of lying about Trump phone call
Defense attorney Todd Blanche accused Michael Cohen of lying about a phone call Cohen testified he had with Donald Trump on Oct. 24, 2016.
Blanche read texts between Cohen and Trump aide Keith Schiller on that date, in which Cohen asked Schiller, "Who can I speak to about harassing calls to my phone and office?"
According to Blanche, Schiller asked Cohen to call him at 8:02 p.m.
"This is the call that you testified about on Tuesday that you had a conversation with President Trump?" Blanche said.
Cohen, who testified on Tuesday that he had called Schiller to speak with Trump, agreed.
Nearly shouting, Blanche alleged that Cohen lied during his testimony on Tuesday.
"That was a lie," said Blanche, adding that Cohen texted Schiller the phone number of the 14-year-old prank caller at 8:04 p.m.
"Part of it was the 14-year-old, but I knew that Keith was with Trump at the time," Cohen responded.
"That was a lie. You did not talk to President Trump that night," Blanche said, raising his voice. "You can admit it."
"No sir, I can't," Cohen said. "Because I'm not sure that's accurate."
"This jury doesn't want to hear what you think happened," Blanche said.
Trump, at the defense table, appeared engaged and furrowed his eyebrows.
The jury was then shown text messages from that evening between Cohen and Schiller, which Blanche suggested prosecutors omitted from their exhibit.
"Mr. Cohen, you just said that you don't recall a phone call ... on Tuesday you testified that you remembered the phone call," Blanche shouted, again growing animated and speaking quickly.
Cohen stood by his testimony, saying he spoke to both Trump and Schiller.
"Based upon what was going on and based upon the other messages regarding the Stormy Daniels matter, yes I believe I was telling the truth," Cohen said.
Judge Merchan subsequently recessed the court for lunch.