Trump trial: Cohen faces Trump team grilling over past lies, recollections

The defense questioned Trump's former lawyer on Day 18 of the hush money trial.

Former President Donald Trump is on trial in New York City, where he is facing felony charges related to a 2016 hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels. It marks the first time in history that a former U.S. president has been tried on criminal charges.

Trump last April pleaded not guilty to a 34-count indictment charging him with falsifying business records in connection with a hush money payment his then-attorney Michael Cohen made to Daniels in order to boost his electoral prospects in the 2016 presidential election.


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Cohen says he wants to see Trump convicted

Under cross-examination, Michael Cohen conceded he wants to see Trump found guilty.

"Have you regularly commented on your podcast that you want President Trump to be convicted in this case?" Blanche asked.

"Yes, probably," Cohen said. "I don't specifically know if I used those words but, yes, I would like to see that."

Blanched pressed for a definitive answer.

"I would like to see accountability. That's not for me. That's for the jury and this court," Cohen said.

Blanche pressed, asking, "Do you want President Trump to get convicted in this case?"

Cohen ultimately responded: "Sure."


Defense presses Cohen on TikTok, pointing to ABC News coverage

Defense attorney Todd Blanche homed in on Michael Cohen's use of TikTok, referring to ABC News' initial coverage in his questioning.

He accused Cohen of using it as an outlet to "make money."

Cohen responded that he uses it to "build an audience."

"What's the goal of doing that?" Blanche asked,

"Build an audience, create a community," Cohen responded. "To really vent because I'm having a difficult time sleeping. So I found an outlet."

"You are also hoping to make money on that?" Blanche asked.

"I do make money on that, but it's not significant," Cohen said.

"One of the reasons you do it is to make money?" Blanche later asked.

"Yes," Cohen said.

Cohen also conceded that he mentions Trump on most if not all of his TikTok streams.


Cohen admits DA asked him not to discuss case

Defense attorney Todd Blanche tried to get Cohen to admit that the Manhattan district attorney's office advised him to stop making media appearances in March 2023 because he was "unwittingly helping President Trump by going on TV."

Cohen repeatedly testified that he could not recall such a conversation, prompting Blanche to question how Cohen could vividly recall conversations with Donald Trump in 2016.

Cohen subsequently conceded that the DA's office advised him approximately five times not to talk about the case.

Blanche, highlighting how often Cohen has publicly spoken about the case, including on television appearances and podcasts, asked, "It's more than 200, correct?"

"Yes," Cohen responded.

"Would you agree that you have talked about President Trump in every single one?" Blanched asked.

"I would say he's mentioned in every single one," Cohen said.


Defense asks Cohen if he leaked info about the case

Defense attorney Todd Blanche asked Michael Cohen if he leaked information about the DA's investigation into the Stormy Daniels payment, or discussed the case in detail during television appearances in February 2021, despite promising his lawyer he would no longer comment on the case.

"You were going on TV talking about the investigation?" Blanche asked.

"I go on TV often so I am not sure what the topic was," Cohen said.

"Would it surprise you to learn that you were on TV talking about the investigation in February 2021?" Blanche asked.

"No, it does not surprise me," Cohen said.

The jury is seeing a slightly more defensive and combative witness than the Michael Cohen they saw on direct examination.


Defense accuses Cohen of lying about Trump phone call

Defense attorney Todd Blanche accused Michael Cohen of lying about a phone call Cohen testified he had with Donald Trump on Oct. 24, 2016.

Blanche read texts between Cohen and Trump aide Keith Schiller on that date, in which Cohen asked Schiller, "Who can I speak to about harassing calls to my phone and office?"

According to Blanche, Schiller asked Cohen to call him at 8:02 p.m.

"This is the call that you testified about on Tuesday that you had a conversation with President Trump?" Blanche said.

Cohen, who testified on Tuesday that he had called Schiller to speak with Trump, agreed.

Nearly shouting, Blanche alleged that Cohen lied during his testimony on Tuesday.

"That was a lie," said Blanche, adding that Cohen texted Schiller the phone number of the 14-year-old prank caller at 8:04 p.m.

"Part of it was the 14-year-old, but I knew that Keith was with Trump at the time," Cohen responded.

"That was a lie. You did not talk to President Trump that night," Blanche said, raising his voice. "You can admit it."

"No sir, I can't," Cohen said. "Because I'm not sure that's accurate."

"This jury doesn't want to hear what you think happened," Blanche said.

Trump, at the defense table, appeared engaged and furrowed his eyebrows.

The jury was then shown text messages from that evening between Cohen and Schiller, which Blanche suggested prosecutors omitted from their exhibit.

"Mr. Cohen, you just said that you don't recall a phone call ... on Tuesday you testified that you remembered the phone call," Blanche shouted, again growing animated and speaking quickly.

Cohen stood by his testimony, saying he spoke to both Trump and Schiller.

"Based upon what was going on and based upon the other messages regarding the Stormy Daniels matter, yes I believe I was telling the truth," Cohen said.

Judge Merchan subsequently recessed the court for lunch.