Kristin Chenoweth: Christian and Gay Rights Supporter

I really feel sorry for her. She is very confused. The bible clearly states that being a homosexual is a sin. It is okay to pray for people who are gay but supporting it and saying it is okay is a different story. Homosexuals are in a sad state and need to come out of homsexuality and know the real Jesus Christ.

I am a Christian middle-aged white male (can you say Republican) and do not condone homosexuality. And yes, the Bible clearly states that being a homosexual is a sin. But the Bible also states that getting drunk is a sin, and lusting after someone that is not your spouse is a sin, and coveting anything that is not yours is a sin. Yet there are many Christians that stand on their soapboxes touting the evil that is homosexuality while cheating, stealing, coveting themselves. Jesus said “first remove the plank from your own eye before removing the speck from your neighbors eye.” Telling anybody that they are going to hell is just wrong because only God in heaven can make that determination. Heaven is his house, and he can invite in anyone he wants to. I had a pastor once who told me that Christians are simply ‘product representatives’. We are to show the way to the Jesus (which also means by our actions and demeanor), then let the Holy Spirit take over and close the sale. God is the judge, not us here on Earth. I believe that Ms. Chenoweth’s outlook is the correct one, and the groups that reject her need to look at themselves in the mirror and realize that we are all sinners that fall short of what God expects. It is only by his Grace that any of us will be saved. So don’t judge, lest you be judged.

The Bible clearly states time and time again that homosexuality is a sin. While it’s true that we cannot judge the eternal destination of one’s soul and body, God says He will. I love gay people the same way I love my next door neighbor or my good friends, or anyone that’s straight for that matter. The only problem is that my love for an individual does NOT reconcile their relationship with God. I was born in sin, deceit, and wickedness but when Jesus died for the sins of the world He not only paid for the sin but also made it possible to escape the snares of sin. My point is this: I was born a liar the same way some feel they were born with the desire for the same gender, BUT i was saved out of my sin. This isnt about what I believe to be true or Kristen Chenowith believes to be true because then world would be full of only ideas and no right and wrong. There is however right and wrong and God is the one who decided that. Romans says there is ONE lawgiver and ONE judge. If God created everything He has EVERY right to determine what is sin and what is not. Read Romans chapter one and you will see that God gives people up to their sinful desires (He includes homosexuality in this statement) and while it is not His way He allows people to live as they choose, but the consequences for every choice never changes!

Purely as the devils advocate, poor choice of words I’m sure, what chapter and verse of the Bible says homosexuality is a sin?

I am also a Christian and an advocate for gay equality. This has been a major issue within my church which is Presbyterian. Nationally, the Presbyterian church recently ok’d the ordination of gay ministers and Elders and gay marriage is a frequent topic of discussion. Yes, the bible, in particular the Old Testament, states homosexuality is a sin. Divorce, adultry, & premarital sex are just as heinous in the eyes of God according to the Bible yet most Christians accept these as a state of modern times. I find it hypocritical that as heterosexuals, we accept those yet judge homosexuality. Either you accept the word of God as wriiten in the Bible, or you understand that the Bible reflects the social morals and beliefs of that time. Few of us would stone a woman for adultry yet so many are ready to condemn a gay person for their sexuality.

Kristin Chenoweth: Christian and Gay Rights Supporter…….what was it Jesus said to the adulterous woman who was about to be stoned?

Judging others is a sin too.

It wouldn’t be a religion if the followers weren’t full of hate towards other groups. That’s what religion is about, establishing a group identity and thereby establishing other “enemy” groups.

I’m not a christian anymore or follower of any religon,but I do remember in Revelations at the very end,Jesus will have no love or mercy for homosexuals.. In the end According to Revelations, Jesus does what his father’s (GOD) will and it is well known that the God of the bible has no love for homosexuals.They will go into the lake of fire with the rest of us unrepentant sinners. As for “removing the plank from thine own eye,” “not judging and casting the first stone.” How many homosexual supporters/Christians wouldn’t make an instant judgment and cast the first stone,hand,fist,chair,baseball bat or a few bullets on a pedophile in the act of molesting and raping their child, and/or not do anything because they have “beams in their own eyes?” How about Christians not speaking and acting against murderers and rapists of children because Christians tell lies,eat shellfish,commit adultery or because the bible/God condoned slavery,human sacrifice, baby killing,etc,etc..(see?? I can run the “demonize and villify the hypocrite/contradiction filled Christians” fallacy game too) C’mon, WAKE UP and snap out of it.Use common sense and logic..Homosexuals and their lunatic enablers have have brainwashed most of us with Nazi big lie propaganda brainwashing tactics..Read the book called “The overhauling of strait America” and see how you have been systematically manipulated to accept and legitimize incorrect and dangerous homosexual behavior.. Read “Homosexuality and American Psychiatry-How Dr. Ronald Bayer explains how homosexual activists captured the APA for political gain. These people paint themselves as innocent victims while they vilify and demonize anyone in opposition to legitimizing their behavior and correct,harmless and normal.”Gay rights” is just a scheme to get the behavior legitimized.Homosexuals are made up of all different races,religions,sex and cultures. they have the same rights as everyone else. they use denial of hospitals visitation as if only homosexuals are denied hospital visitation.They can get living wills done just like everyone else. it not about rights, that’s baloney. its about forcing everyone recognize it as normal, correct behavior and it wont stop there..The slippery slope started long before the APA voted to stop classifying homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973 with 48% of them ( a little less than half) in descent…Homosexuality is just ONE symptom of the problem The more perversion of ANYTHING you accept and let little things slide,the more CORRUPT ,indiffrent and jaded society becomes. Then comes chaos and destruction. WAKE UP,SHEEPLE.

The Bible is God’s words………….Unfortunately it was written by man………Mankind is flawed whether you are Homosexual, Hetrosexual, Black, White, Asian, or Spanish……..Every single person on this planet is flawed……………Respect God, Respect Jesus, Respect each other!!!!!!

Kristen Chenoweth just picked up a new fan. She truly has a good heart and a tender soul. We could all learn a lesson or two from her compassion.

The handful of scriptures that explicitly deal with homosexuality are arguably not at all related to the kinds of loving, monogamous relationships we are talking about here. Instead the are likely about gang-rape (the Sodom story), Canaanite/Egyptian practices known to be tied to pagan rites (Leviticus), and 1st-century pagan temple rites, pederasty, and prostitution (Paul’s letters). Christ’s own definition of sin — the failure to love God and to love others with a selfless, self-sacrificing love — is central to many Christian’s understanding of what sin is. And while rape, pederasty, and temple prostitution are all fairly easy to relate to Jesus’ definition, it is much harder to see how two people of the same gender entering into the kinds of loving, committed relationships being discussed is sinful … again according to Christ’s definition.

And now one totally unsubstantive comment. (This will make two if it shows … if so, I’ll try with something substantive again.)

Am I being blocked because I’m referring to a Greek NT word that resembles a forbidden English word?

A lot of folks are “Leviticus this” and “Leviticus that” forgetting that history’s culmination was at Calvary, not Mount Horeb. Many Christians would do well to look at their own sorry lives and reflect on Deuteronomy’s command to “share freely with the poor”, or Habakkuk’s denunciation of “Woe to him who heaps up what is not his own”, to those who fleece others in business, etc.

Stop worrying about your gay neighbor you think is going to Hell, like the Pharisee who condemns the tax collector – and be MORE like the tax collector who says, “Lord have mercy on me, a sinner!”

Jesus came for us all; stop trying to limit what he does, and REALLY accept him into your life, because you are nothing without him, no matter how many gay people you look down on.

@Joe (9:44) — First, like I said earlier comment, many scholars don’t believe that verses like those in Romans have to do with the kinds of monogamous relationships we’re talking about here. See, for example, what the US Conference of Catholic Bishops says about Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6 — chosen not because I am a Catholic, but more because they have respected Biblical scholars in their camp and can hardly be accused of a pro-gay bias. Specifically see the third footnote.

@Joe (9:44) — The first of my two responses to your 9:44 comment appears to be hung up in moderation, probably because I included a link to the website of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. So to repeat without the link:

“First, like I said earlier comment, many scholars don’t believe that verses like those in Romans have to do with the kinds of monogamous relationships we’re talking about here. See, for example, what the US Conference of Catholic Bishops says about Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6 — chosen not because I am a Catholic, but more because they have respected Biblical scholars in their camp and can hardly be accused of a pro-gay bias. Specifically see the third footnote.”

The link I provided was for the USCCB commentary for their NAB translation of the Bible, found on the USCCB website on the page that covers 1 Corinthians 6. It basically says that passages like 1 Cor. 6 and Romans 1 are likely referring specifically to things like pederasty, not homosexual relationships in general.

@Ed. Guess what? The story of Noah’s Ark … a complete fabrication. Could never have happened the way it’s depicted. The Bible is a collection of stories. Nothing more. So why you’re quoting Revelations when it’s nothing but fiction is kinda funny. But if that helps you sleep at night, go for it.

What it comes down to is interpretation. You can use much of the bible to justify violence and hate if you wish, the Catholic church did it for centuries during the Inquisition. People will often quote the bible to further their own ignorant views of the world and people they do not understand. I am a gay Christian man and have no conflictions. And before those other Christians reading this who are bigots start foaming at the mouth, I happen to be abstinent…by my own choosing. I am also left handed, blonde haired, blue eyed, with a 142 IQ. These things only serve to describe qualities and do not define the whole of who I am. What I do know without a doubt is that Jesus would NOT turn away from someone because of any innate quality that person has, but would love that person without hesitation because that is what God wishes us to do. And to those same Christians who say, “oh, he is so very confused” I would ask you to look into your own hearts, for mine is without doubt, while yours churns with hate and resentment towards that which you do not understand.

Most people who say they are Christians dont believe the Bible when it says in Proverbs 29:2, “When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” or Proverbs 14:12, “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” Proverbs 29:2 has been proven right time and time again. If the wicked (gays, drunks, etc) are put in positions of authority, the country will suffer for it.

The comments simply prove that people have a boundless capacity to hate and a limitless ability to justify that hate with their religion.

Ed — this is hardly semantic word play. A key point here is whether the Bible condemns as sinful the kinds of committed, loving same-gender relationships we’re talking about here. You pointed to alleged condemnations of homosexuality in Revelation as proof that it does. In fact, such direct references don’t even exist. So you’ll need to find your proof elsewhere in the Bible. (Your other examples of sin – rape, murder, adultery, etc. – are all directly condemned elsewhere in the broadest, context-independent terms possible. They also clearly mesh with the Christ’s definition of sin that I mentioned earlier. So any proofs you come up with regarding the sinfulness of these kinds of loving, same-gender relationships had better be just as convincing.)

dave

please explain how the words anywhere in scripture say that being gay of itself is a sin as in the new covenat where christ’s love is the standard, romans and galatians, as in christ’s love is the summation of all “new covenant” law and in order to be sin under the new covenant it must come against christ’s love.

.as in the old covenant where not all prohibitions of themselves were sins and where there were directions by god under the old covenant that under the new covenant would come against christ’s love of the 2nd commandment (love neighbor)

……….because of the supremacy of his love which is life itself and surpasses all knowledge(the law and its legalies). christ who was given ALL power and ALL authority’

god is love.

@ DAVE

Also you keep repeating the semantic fallacy that direct references to Homosexuality(sodomy) doesn’t exist in Revelations, when In fact NO DIRECT REFRENCES TO RAPE,MURDER, ADULTRY,CHILD MOLSESTATION,LYING AND A BUNCH MORE ARENT EITHER.

people that are proven without a doubt whatsoever to be totally disease free and in perfectly good health, spitting/urinating in other peoples food and drink without them knowing about it aren’t even in the Bible, but its a good bet The God and Jesus don’t approve of it and those people will be punished for it if they don’t repent and change their ways according to the Bible. I’m not religious and don’t practice any religions and I can see that. That’s why homosexuals love to debate homosexuality in the Bible because they can run semantic word games and other fallacies forever.

ed

“That’s why homosexuals love to debate homosexuality in the Bible because they can run semantic word games and other fallacies forever.”

the bible isnt about word games. its about spirit. its about entering a life giving spirit.

being gay affirms that life giving spirit in the same as does being heterosexual.

Ed — actually, according to the Bible the only people who survived were Lot and his two daughters. Focusing on the characteristics of those three people, and suggesting that all those that did not survive were killed because of their differences from those three people, is a very odd way of asking the question. (By that logic, you could also argue that those that died were killed because they weren’t related to Lot, or because they didn’t live at that address in So.dom.) It makes a lot more sense to focus instead on what the Bible says about why those that died were killed. There are many references throughout the Bible that describe (or at least allude to) the sins of So.dom. The best-known, of course, is the Genesis account, where all the residents of So.dom are said to be advocating the same-sex gang ra.pe of the people in Lot’s house. A passage in Ezekiel makes a direct statement about their pride and their neglect of the poor and needy. Other passages allude to idolatry, cruelty, and lying. None mention homosexuality in any context other than the gang-ra.pe story in Genesis.

Ed – I basically agree with what FEETXXL says. I would have added more, but now I am unable to get new comments posted, and frankly the points you are raising are not substantive enough to warrant the effort to figure out why. So I’m giving up on trying to post on this site.

@Dave and feetxxxL

Nothing you two said in your wordy posts changes the fact that in the end or all your rationalizations, GOD (the same one you two claim condones homosexuality) saved not a single decent homosexual or “commited,loving homosexual couple” from destruction and made sure that a few heterosexuals survived the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah..

I should have said, in conclusion, “while your MOST RECENT statement is factually correct,” since your earlier posts had a number of glaring errors about what the Bible actually says.

Look this is it sin is sin no sin is bigger than the othere sin. All that matters is you except Christ as you’re lord and savor . Will God judge me for loving are judge you for hating? Come on people the only one you will have to answer to is one person and that’s God. I’m glad I’m a lesbian ever thought maybe he put gay people in the world to test you to see has fast you are to judge? We are all God children and we are all born sinners that’s why we have to keep asking him to forgive us of our sins and being gay is not the only sin in the bible. Godbless

we were all made “very good” gen.

I’m Jewish, gay and rather liberal to put it mildly. I also love musicals and saw “Promises Promises” just for the chance to see Kristen Chenoweth on stage. My partner is a devout Catholic who attends mass every Sunday, as he has done since his childhood – and he also loves Kristen Chenoweth. I’m well-read and what I know of Christianity and Jesus tells me that Jesus had one message that was quite consistent throughout his teachings, “love.” I once heard the wonderful Sister Wendy on Fresh Air and she said that she is completely sure of only two things. 1. There is a God. 2. That God is total love. I’m Jewish to the core, and I’m going to go with Sister Wendy’s teachings – God is not about hate – God is about love. I’d like to conclude my thoughts with something from the Talmud – the great wisdom the Jewish scholars created to interpret the Old Testament. The Talmud teaches that the only rules in the Bible that are immutable, that is unchangeable, over time, are the Ten Commandments. Everything else was expected to change. God, speaking through the writers of the Bible knew that the world would evolve. God knew that we’d wear garments made from a variety of fibers. God knew that we’d mix foods on our plates. God knew that we’d change partners over time. God knew that we’d partner with people of our own gender. But God also knew that it will never be right to take anyone else’s life at any time for any reason. God also knew that stealing, lying and cheating on your partner will never be right. Call me names as you will – I know that God loves all of us.