2012 Poll: Obama’s Favorability Slips – But Perry, Romney Do No Better
EmailAnalysis from ABC News’ Gary Langer (@langerresearch):
Barack Obama’s basic popularity has slipped to its lowest of his presidency, but his top two Republican challengers are no better off: Rick Perry and Mitt Romney are far less known than Obama – and at least as divisive as he is among those who do have an opinion of them.
The result of this ABC News/Washington Post poll underscores the long road Perry and Romney face in making an impression on would-be voters – and their challenges in doing so. Perry, notably, is seen more unfavorably than favorably among Americans who’ve formed an opinion of him, and Romney manages only a split decision, much like Obama.
This survey, produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates, is the first of a new series measuring the number of Americans who express a favorable or unfavorable impression of individuals in the news. Such ratings are the most basic measure of a public figure’s popularity.
On Obama, Americans now divide: Forty-seven percent see him favorably overall, fewer than half for the first time in ABC/Post polling since he announced his candidacy in February 2007 and down dramatically from his extraordinary peak, 79 percent, days before he took office in January 2009. Essentially as many adults now see Obama unfavorably, 46 percent, as favorably.
Yet Perry, the Texas governor and Republican presidential candidate, has hurdles of his own. Thirty-one percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Perry overall, exceeding the 23 percent who see him favorably. That’s marked by a shortfall in the political center: Independents, the keystone of national politics, see him more unfavorably than favorably by a 13-point margin.
Customarily it’s a trouble sign for a political figure’s unfavorable rating to exceed his or her favorable score. What helps Perry is the very large number of adults – 46 percent – who’ve yet to form an opinion of him one way or the other. Perry also has an advantage in the Republican base – greater strength of support than Romney’s among conservative Republicans and among Americans who call themselves “very” conservative.
Romney, for his part, has a 33-31 percent favorable-unfavorable rating, splitting the country much as Obama does, simply with opposite partisan divisions. Again, a very substantial number, 37 percent, have yet to form an opinion of Romney, despite his unsuccessful campaign for the GOP presidential nomination four years ago.
The high number who are undecided about Perry and Romney may in part reflect the fact that these views were asked without any preceding questions on politics or election preferences; as such they’re a particularly clean measure, taken with no possibility of priming.
To one extent, high undecideds represent an advantage for Perry and Romney alike; it’s generally easier to influence a decision that’s in the process of being made than it is to change an opinion once formed. Better then to have 31 percent unfavorable ratings, as Perry and Romney do, than 46 percent unfavorable, as Obama does. On the other hand, though, Obama has a favorable rating that’s 14 points higher than Romney’s, and double Perry’s – money in the bank, if Obama can hold on to it.
Another way to assess these ratings is to percentage them only among individuals who have an opinion, implicitly allocating those who are undecided proportionally to those who have an opinion. Just among Americans who have an opinion of Perry, 42 percent see him favorably, 58 percent unfavorably. For Romney and Obama it’s closer, 51-49 percent for both.
DIVISIONS – Naturally there are vast partisan and ideological divisions in these attitudes. Seventy-eight percent of Democrats see Obama favorably, reflecting continued strength in his base, albeit diminished from its peak. That slides to 42 percent among independents, and a mere 17 percent among Republicans. Similarly, Obama progresses from 76 percent favorability among liberals to a sharply lower 47 percent among moderates, 36 percent among “somewhat” conservatives and 21 percent among those who call themselves “very” conservative.
Both Perry and Romney have disproportionately favorable ratings among Republicans and conservatives. The difference is in the middle. Perry, as noted, is rated negatively on favorability among independents (by 23-36 percent) and also among moderates (by 17-32 percent). Romney does better in the middle – 35-30 percent among independents, 34-28 percent among moderates.
Favorable-unfavorable ratings
Obama Perry Romney
Democrats 78-19% 12-44 20-43
Republicans 17-80 43-11 55-19
Independents 42-48 23-36 35-30
Liberals 76-18 11-50 20-45
Moderates 47-45 17-32 34-28
Somewhat conservatives 36-60 32-22 41-27
Very conservatives 21-76 52-18 48-26
Liberal Democrats 86-10 7-55 17-53
Conservative Republicans 10-88 55-7 57-17
There are other differences among groups. Perry’s seen 10 points more favorably by men than by women; Romney, 16 points more favorably by senior citizens than by young adults. Romney has much higher favorability among college graduates (45 percent) than among non-graduates (27 percent), and does 20 points better among higher-income Americans than among those with incomes of $50,000 or less.
Obama is strongest in the West, and has maintained substantial favorability among Hispanics (61 percent) as well as among African-Americans (86 percent). Among whites, though, just 36 percent see Obama favorably, no better than Romney’s 38 percent – despite Romney’s being so much less well known.
INTENSITY – Finally, there’s the question of intensity – which overall doesn’t work well for any of these three. Obama’s seen “strongly” unfavorably by more Americans than see him strongly favorably, 31 percent vs. 22 percent. His strongly favorable rating is down by 11 points since spring.
But it’s the same 9-point margin for Romney – 14 percent strongly unfavorable vs. 5 percent strongly favorable. And Perry’s ratings are more strongly negative by 12 points, 19 percent vs. 7 percent.
Still, a difference in intensity emerges that gives Perry an advantage in two core GOP groups, conservative Republicans and Americans who call themselves very conservative. Conservative Republicans see Perry strongly favorably rather than strongly unfavorably by a broad 22-3 percent; for Romney, though, it’s 13-17 percent. And among very conservative Americans, the comparable numbers are 26-10 percent for Perry, vs. 12-13 percent for Romney. That positions Perry better in the Republican base – despite his greater challenges in the political center.
METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by landline and cell phone Sept. 14-18, 2011, among a random national sample of 1,013 adults. Results have a margin of sampling error of 3.5 points. The survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York, N.Y., with sampling, data collection and tabulation by SSRS/Social Science Research Solutions of Media, Pa.
ABC News polls can be found at ABCNEWS.com at http://abcnews.com/pollingunit.
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Obama is the President … now … and his approval rating has tanked to an all-time low. That has nothing to do with GOP primary contenders. Democrats – continue to believe your own hype as the GOP and the Tea Party handily remove the worst president in modern US History.
Posted by: Ed Smith | September 21, 2011, 8:11 am 8:11 am
Obama…the worst president ever…..no surprise.
Posted by: Allen | September 21, 2011, 8:39 am 8:39 am
This country is headed in the wrong direction and Washington just does not get it. It’s time for a big change. Re-Elect NO ONE in 2012!!!
Posted by: kurt b | September 21, 2011, 8:40 am 8:40 am
How does anyone see this guy in a favorable light? Even among African-Americans. This guy has caused more problems for the African-Americans in this country than any other White President in the history of the United States of America. African-Americans have double the unemployment rate under Barack Obama, than any other White President, and they still support him, why? Because his skin is dark. Wouldn’t you rather support your family?
Posted by: John | September 21, 2011, 8:42 am 8:42 am
Forty-seven percent see him favorably overall??? Proof that there is one born every second in this country.
Posted by: billy bob | September 21, 2011, 8:44 am 8:44 am
ED SMITH, posters such as yourself are some of the prime reasons we are in this mess. Making sure the president is a one term president game in congress will wreak karma 4 fold. Jim Crowe type installations is called desperation and gerry mandering well both sides do it but your people are desperate. WASP male days are over, clinging onto something that is long gone, we’re a diverse nation. If people can vote for the same candidate in a different suit i.e, Perry and Bush in Texas, hmm, do you suppose when demographics change dramatically, you’re going to be able to maintain your power hold? Your people would of done the same to Hilary, wouldn’t be able to handle a woman at the helm, making it APPEAR that the position would be too much for a woman to handle. And for the record two republicans would be considered the worse president, Hoover and Bush II. The second one nearly had us in a depression.
Posted by: phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 8:49 am 8:49 am
It amazes me that Obama has 47% approval rating. The MSM has yet to scold him for his lies. No boots on Libyan soil, is that another “read my lips” moment? Or, how much is the U.S. giving to the European central bank–it hasn’t even been openly discussed IMO or explained to us, etc. Why would a bankrupt U.S. be loaning money to the Europeans? Why would even the Europeans continue to prop up the PIIGS when we know at least Greece will be bankrupt–money down a rat hole (the Euro?). Americans need facts. At any given time about 20% of Americans haven’t a clue what is going on anyway. Obama had all the answers during his campaign. Now all we hear are alibis–the latest from Biden–Bad luck! Could it possibly be we have a president with NO experience and a CLUE?
Posted by: jonnie | September 21, 2011, 8:50 am 8:50 am
Well Allen & Ed Smith “Welcome back” either you both suffer from amnesia or just recovered from a coma!! My definition of the “WORST PRESIDENT”… When you commit American troops to combat based on falsified documents not to mention waste TRILLIONS committing a War Crime…
Posted by: mticervin | September 21, 2011, 8:59 am 8:59 am
I like the title, “2012 Poll: Obama’s Favorability Slips – BUT PERRY, ROMNEY DO NO BETTER”
America lost a lot of faith in the GOP to be the so-called “fiscally responsible” party… LOL! …. they like being the “nice guys” (tax cuts), but don’t have the “bowls” (purposely misspelled) to be the bad guys when it comes to actually cutting programs and government spending…. that’s how we got in this mess. The history shows it:
Here’s a history lesson for you Re-Publi-Tard-Mininos, from Table 1-1 at the Office of Management and Budget ….. ON-BUDGET (DISCRETIONARY) Revenue and Outlay growth during each president…
CARTER YEARS:
……………………. 1977 …………………………….. 1980 ……………
REVENUE: ……. $278,741,000,000 …………. $403,903,000,000 ….. Growth in Revenue = 44.9%
OUTLAYS: ……. $328,675,000,000 …………. $477,044,000,000 ….. Growth in Outlays = 45.1%
Difference between Outlay Growth and Revenue Growth during Carter Years = “0.2%”
(Outlays grew faster than Revenue by 0.2%, thus Carter’s $280 billion increase in the national debt during his 4 years.)
REAGAN YEARS:
……………………. 1981 …………………………….. 1988 ……………
REVENUE: ……. $469,097,000,000 …………. $667,747,000,000 ….. Growth in Revenue = 42.3%
OUTLAYS: ……. $542,956,000,000 …………. $860,012,000,000 ….. Growth in Outlays = 58.4%
Difference between Outlay Growth and Revenue Growth during Reagan Years = “16.1%”
(Outlays grew faster than Revenue by 16.1%, thus Reagan’s increase in the national debt equal to $1.7 Trillion, i.e., more than alll 39 presidents before him COMBINED)
GEORGE H.W. BUSH YEARS:
……………………. 1989 …………………………….. 1992 ……………
REVENUE: ……. $750,302,000,000 …………. $788,783,000,000 ….. Growth in Revenue = 8.4%
OUTLAYS: ……. $932,832,000,000 ……….. $1,129,191,000,000 ….. Growth in Outlays = 21.0%
Difference between Outlay Growth and Revenue Growth during Bush # 1 Years = “12.6%”
(Outlays grew faster than Revenue by 12.6%)
CLINTON YEARS:
……………………. 1993 …………………………….. 2000 ……………
REVENUE: ……. $842,401,000,000 …………. $1,544,607,000,000 ….. Growth in Revenue = 83.4%
OUTLAYS: ……. $1,142,799,000,000 ………. $1,458,185,000,000 ….. Growth in Outlays = 27.6%
Difference between Outlay Growth and Revenue Growth during Clinton Years = “-55.8%” (Revenue grew faster than Outlays by 55.8%)
BUSH # 2 YEARS:
……………………… 2001 …………………………….. 2008 ……………
REVENUE: ……. $1,337,815,000,000 ………. $1,865,945,000,000 ….. Growth in Revenue = 25.8%
OUTLAYS: ……. $1,516,008,000,000 ………. $2,507,793,000,000 ….. Growth in Outlays = 65.4%
Difference between Outlay Growth and Revenue Growth during Bush # 2 Years = “39.8%” (Outlays grew faster than Revenue by 39.8%, thus Bush # 1′s increase in the debt by “$4.9 Trillion)
OBAMA YEARS:
……………………… 2009 …………………………….. 2010 ……………
REVENUE: ……. $1,450,980,000,000 ………. $1,531,037,000,000 ….. Growth in Revenue = 5.5%
OUTLAYS: ……. $3,000,661,000,000 ………. $2,901,531,000,000 ….. Growth in Outlays = -3.3%
Difference between Outlay Growth and Revenue Growth was NEGATIVE during the first two years of Obama = “-3.3%” (Revenue growth outpaced Outlay growth by 8.8%)
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 21, 2011, 9:04 am 9:04 am
I love how this article is written. Read back through and notice the pattern when they spell out the percentages(seventy-one percent) and when they use numbers(71%). Look close and you will see a pattern.
Also look at the list at the end. They mention ‘Liberal’ ‘Moderate’ ‘Somewhat conservative”very conservative’. They want you to think that a ‘moderate’ is someone who is only slightly liberal.
Very telling I’d say. In college circles they call this ‘Social Engineering’. They are telling you what to think without actually telling you.
Posted by: ufos8mycow | September 21, 2011, 9:05 am 9:05 am
This is so ridiculous…I cannot believe the stupidity of some people. I hope you are all happy ….keep bashing him, from day one. And experience? Bush had experience. How did that work out? Perhaps if they ALL would try working together to make this a better country, but no, that will never happen. They all want THEIR party to be top dog. Doesn’t matter that this country is going down and has been for the past decade. It’s all politics and they are ALL corrupt! Perry and Romney aren’t popular either. See what I mean? There are no real choices, all crooks and corrupt. And all I see on these boards is back and forth bashing each other. Just like Congress. Why even bother?
Posted by: Barb | September 21, 2011, 9:06 am 9:06 am
@Barb
The Democrats and Republicans have traded power back and forth for 100 years and look at what they have done to a once great country.
Had enough yet?
Posted by: ufos8mycow | September 21, 2011, 9:09 am 9:09 am
phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 8:49 am 8:49 am… I definitely agree!! People fail to mention “The Republican Agenda” according to Senator McConnell “to make this a one term President”just assail the President on every issue, even on issues they previously supported… What a great political strategy that dumb @$$ American’s can’t see!!
Posted by: mticervin | September 21, 2011, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Our country is heading in the wrong direction because of Boehner’s Bunch blocking everything that is proposed to pull ourselves out of the economic crunch. BB want’s to keep blaming Obama for the huge deficit that we have…. they conveniently leave out the part that Bush got us halfway there :-) If there were no bail outs, there would be no banking system!!! Playing tit for tat like a bunch of cry babies is what the Repulicans are best at. They are pulling this country apart and will do more if they get into the White House. They wanted to stop extensions of unemployment, which is ridiculous, considiering that there are less jobs not than ever, they are changing voters registration (must have pic ID now to vote, but umm…lets take away unemployment so they can’t afford to pay for pic ID), want to do away with unions. They will have us all living in the streets before long, while their rich fat cat friends and coporations hold on to their milions. All of you who want to vote for Boehner’s Bunch, you’d better think twice…. hell, think more than twice. You whole livelyhood depends on your vote!!
Posted by: Lorrie | September 21, 2011, 9:13 am 9:13 am
So, are we saying at present there is no one at the helm or anyone on the horizon who can lead us out of this total mess? Yes, we are a diverse country but that in itself leads to all sorts of problems as compared to other countries with pretty much one group of folks. Seems like every other day we have another group to beat up and blame for our problems…presently it is the wealthy. I am reminded of an old Pogo cartoon: “We have met the enemy and it is us.” What’s our future? I think we are like that once bright and shining star that suddenly exploded into a zillion pieces never to shine again.
Posted by: Salty | September 21, 2011, 9:16 am 9:16 am
All this article proves is someone likes working with numbers. Trying to predict the future with only a handful of pollsters wont do any good because the numbers never match the outcome. About the presidency, we need a president who knows, by stepping down on some issues and let the states run their area, would be more favorable than to have government trying to take control of everything. If you have government run our lives the way it has as of late, our political system will become a fruitless effort into pulling this country up off its knees. Promise of jobs is dead in the water, unless you know the job market is coming back to this country. And as long as the tax revolution keeps scaring them away, they won’t be coming back. Healthcare should not be put on the scare tactics list either. It is being played with like a tennis ball and people are gobbling this up faster than they can get offended. It never used to be a government problem, and it shouldn’t today, but it is. Government won’t have all the answers, its the people and their determination that gets the job done. All these political figures are suppose to be representatives for this country/states and be the peoples voice, but what are they representing if they don’t have the peoples interest? Cap, cut and stop spending is not in any one of these candidates vocabulary… It is almost time for the people once again to pick a political figure out from a line up of more candidates that are as unworthy as our present leader… Now this is a figure I can work with because I am not hiding behind numbers trying to tip the scales for any one candidate, I am trying to use my intellect and not numbers to drive a point home.
Posted by: Edd | September 21, 2011, 9:16 am 9:16 am
and Yes the Republicans should be ashamed of themselves. From day one McConnell et al have said Pres. Obama was a one term president. They did not want to work with him and bashed him on every little thing. It’s them first not country first. John B. should also be ashamed. They are sore losers…they were in charge for eight years…who got us into Iraq? And some Dems are just as bad…why didn’t they stand behind this president and band together? All I see and hear is bickering in Congress…I’m sick of the back and forth, like small children. Our country is in a Civil War…when will we all understand we are ALL Americans and we ALL want the same things? Again this is not the Yankees v the Red Sox but it sure seems like it is! I hope everyone is really happy that we are in this mess because I blame the people for going along like sheep with the bashing…they believe everything they read….there are so many scare tactics and so many lies…so much corruption. They complain constantly about Reid, McConnell, John B., Pelosie, McCain…question: WHY were all they voted in again?
Posted by: Barb | September 21, 2011, 9:21 am 9:21 am
MTICERVIN: Believe a lot of Americans are suffering and are seeing through the game but are also desperate enough to Vote the president out because they assume that the other party will bring back the good times, if he’s out of the way for them, but unfortunately not so, and the GOP will come out with a new gimmick and put us on to the fast track to the 3rd world gutter.
Posted by: phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Who cares about the polls. Bottom line is that business owners (small and large) have no confidence in Obama and dont trust him and therefore are not going to take any chances until he is gone. If Americans want four more years of pain than re-elect Obama because that is what you will get, pain.
Posted by: billy bob | September 21, 2011, 9:22 am 9:22 am
@ ED SMITH & ALLEN ======================Obama…the worst president ever…..no surprise============Obama is the President … now … and his approval rating has tanked to an all-time low. That has nothing to do with GOP primary contenders. Democrats – continue to believe your own hype as the GOP and the Tea Party handily remove the worst president in modern US History.
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THESE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE MADE ARE TYPICAL OF BOEHNER’S BUNCH…. TRYING TO HIDE AN ELEPHANT BEHIND A PEANUT.. THE REPUBS AND TEA HEADS THAT WANTED OBAMA TO FAIL FROM DAY 1 AND SAID SO, YOUR BIGOTRY IS DISGUSTING. THIS SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT RACE, BUT ABOUT SUPPORTING OUR PRESIDENT (WHICH BOEHNER’S BUNCH HAS NEVER DONE). OBAMA WASN’T IN OFFICE YET AND THEY ALREADY HAD AN AGENDA OF MAKING HIM A ONE-TERM PRESIDENT. HOW PATRIOTIC IS THAT??? AND DON’T TELL ME IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE!!!!!! YOU DIDN’T DO IT TO BUSH, AND HE LEFT OUR DEFICIT IN THE TRILLIONS WHEN HE LEFT OFFICE.
Posted by: Lorrie | September 21, 2011, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Smell trouble for Obama. No president was elected to the 2nd term in an economic recession. The only way Obama can save the Democratic Party is not to run for the 2nd term.
Posted by: DelegateMath | September 21, 2011, 9:24 am 9:24 am
OH, I FORGOT TO MENTION…. OUR COUNTRY HAD NO DEFICIT WHEN BUSH TOOK OFFICE, WE HAD RESERVES IN THE BILLIONS!!! TALK ABOUT THAT BOEHNER’S BUNCH!!!
Posted by: Lorrie | September 21, 2011, 9:26 am 9:26 am
SALTY: Your concept of diversity? And as for the wealthy no one hates them personally, they to are a diverse people, the country was good to them, the kids who are getting slain in Iraq and Afghanistan, how many of them come from wealthy families?
Posted by: phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 9:26 am 9:26 am
PHANTOMNITE …. NOT MANY, IF ANY, OF THEM ARE FROM WEALTHY FAMILIES, I’M SURE.
Posted by: Lorrie | September 21, 2011, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Polls are conducted by both sides of political leanings to determine their strategies i.e. propaganda gimmicks for election time.
Posted by: phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 9:36 am 9:36 am
Where is Ron Paul’s rankings in this report? I read yesterday that he would win if it were between him and Obama. Way to go ABC News … left out that little tidbit of information.
Posted by: Jeff Mortenson | September 21, 2011, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Obama is good GOP is worthless. GOP lies & smokescreens rule the day.
Posted by: xyz | September 21, 2011, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Lorrie: Am assuming mostly middle class and poor are put in harms way, they die for this country and put their lives on the line for this country, they are protecting the wealthy also in this war against terrorism. OBL wanted to financially destroy this country, and he do you suppose he was mostly after? The poor panhandler?
Posted by: phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 9:39 am 9:39 am
The part of the headline that says, “But Perry, Romney Do No Better” is misleading when you look at the ratings chart in the full report. Both Perry and Romney have 31% unfavorable ratings, the remainder being mostly “no opinion” – after all, neither is yet the general election candidate. Either could win with 31% unfavorable if they had, say, 60% favorable. To achieve that, they need only shift a portion of the “no opinions” over to the favorable column as they become better known. Obama on the other hand has 46% unfavorable. To get back up to 60% favorable, he needs to move ALL “no opinions” PLUS convert at least 6% of his unfavorables. No easy task as his polls have been consistently moving in the opposite direction. The headline is misleading because Obama has a much longer row to hoe than Perry or Romney.
Posted by: George Leon | September 21, 2011, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Guess Marxist policies are working out too well for obama
Posted by: fedup_11 | September 21, 2011, 9:40 am 9:40 am
of course businesses have no faith in Pres. Obama. The GOP saw to that with all their bashing. The GOP are for large corporations and the rich. I’m sick of rumors and scare tactics. I’m sick of all the ads I read and hear…constantly mudslinging..both sides. They are all politicians…they should all be voted out esp. John B. and McConnell. And the candidates running scare me to death. God help us all.
Posted by: Barb | September 21, 2011, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Why does the liberal media have to keep throwing in something bad about anyone else to coverup how terrible this President is? Wait until all the info comes out on Solyndra, Lightsquare, Gibson Guitars and Fast & Furious. Hopefully he will be impeached and many in his organization will be put in jail, starting with Eric Holder.
Posted by: Freedom | September 21, 2011, 9:42 am 9:42 am
I’m with you Obama. I can’t stand the fat cats trying to make profits on medical , insurance , wall street , betting against wall street. The money hunger & willing to do anything has brought this country to it’s knees. And it was enabled by Deregulation, Republicans battle cry, that & no new taxes. Boy those GOP they really can’t think outside they’re little box even after it pretty much destroyed the world economy. Go Obama. The people against you are just hairbrained FoxNews enthusiast who really don’t see the world correctly & think they do. Obama 2012. Anything else is INSANE!
Posted by: xyz | September 21, 2011, 9:43 am 9:43 am
people > large corporations…..GOP is bought & sold to large corporations. Aren’t we tired of being manhandled by these business who think they are too big to fail? GOP strategy is bunk.
Posted by: xyz | September 21, 2011, 9:45 am 9:45 am
The only poll that matters is “direction of the country” If next November, a large majority of voters believe the country is headed in the wrong direction as 70%+ do now, no president could be re-elected.
Posted by: retired railroad man | September 21, 2011, 9:46 am 9:46 am
All Barack Channel really stretches the truth of the polling here on this one. Face it: Your boy is worse than Jimmy Carter, and is starting to rank up there with Herbert Hoover.
Posted by: Jimbo Wales | September 21, 2011, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Georgie_Bushie: LOL, waiting for Common Sense, i.e. Ifrichar to come out here boiling. It’s hilarious when they get into a tizzy straight from the actual valid nothing partisan source.
Posted by: phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 9:50 am 9:50 am
JIMBO WALES: Ahh, your man Bush, WMD fable, difference is, young lives were put on the line slain, I call them kids not out of disrespect because they are so young, 18-22 year olds, some just graduating high school, blown up. Your guy nearly put us in a depression, Hoover republican style.
Posted by: phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 9:54 am 9:54 am
BARB: Perry is Bush part II. They try to market him differently, but same product in a different suit. Social security Ponzi scheme-these folks and the ones that are currently in the houses, don’t want to save it, they want to destroy it, make it fail. Once in there, they’ll borrow from the funds to pay down the debt and take credit for lowering the debt, and we’ll have nothing.
Posted by: phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 9:57 am 9:57 am
No Retired Man: LOL, your people are so desperate, the reason for those Jimmy Crowe installations…college students(they won’t forget), Seniors and minorities(they won’t forget), out of the mix. And they are more ticked with the republicans in congress for the direction of this country. Where are those jobs the promised? They said extending the Bush tax cuts would create them…tick tock, 10 years later.
Posted by: phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 10:02 am 10:02 am
FED_UP: ROFL, how’s the Bush tax cuts policies working?
Posted by: phantomniter | September 21, 2011, 10:04 am 10:04 am
From CBS News, some simple figures:
“The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now
increased $4 trillion on President Obama’s watch.
The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest
calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion.
It’s the most rapid increase in the debt under any U.S. president.
The national debt increased $4.9 trillion during the eight-year presidency of
George W. Bush. The debt now is rising at a pace to surpass that amount during
Mr. Obama’s four-year term.”
Also go to The Washington Post (also not a conservative source), and
see the excellent and understandable section entitled “Taking apart the federal
budget”. For the fiscal year 2011, we are running a record 1.27 trillion-dollar
deficit, and as they correctly point out: “As a percent of the overall economy,
the annual gap between spending and revenue is at its highest since WWII… the
worst deficits since WWII”.
Posted by: Carol | September 21, 2011, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Perry is just another dumb cowboy from Texass and I pray he doesn’t even get the nomination. IF he does, intelligence will prevail and President Obama will win. If Romney gets the nod, we’ll see a very tight race. So go right ahead you far out far right wingies, put your money on Perry so he can do his imitation of gw bush the WORST President this nation has EVER seen!!!
Posted by: demnme | September 21, 2011, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Posted by: phantomniter—It did in competitive sectors and labor markets, we are a global economy, not a US economy. As long as some one can do it cheaper, quicker, with fewer people they will get the jobs. We have a labor shortage in STEM sectors and have for a decade, the opportunities are there the jobs are there and it isn’t some secret, adapt or be poor.
Posted by: snewsom2997 | September 21, 2011, 10:13 am 10:13 am
phantomniter. I don’t know where you live but where I live if it were not for the “wealthy” a lot of things would go undone around here. “They” are major contributors to places like the YMCA, Salvation Army, etc, not to mention the food banks (which are slowly drying up). Even political hack Buffet has most of his empire going to the Gates Foundation rather than to DC (wow, are Gates and Buffet also on your hit list). Gee, would it have been nice to have the $530 million OB blew on Solyndra…more money than 35 states received for infrastructure…you know, that buzzword we hear a lot about? If the wealthy know how to create wealth, know how to spend it, know how to account for it, why not put them in charge of DC? Money is the problem and it is obvious Congress does not have a clue about managing much of anything let alone our hard earned dollars.
Posted by: Salty | September 21, 2011, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Posted by: Carol—Silly facts, they don’t matter, LOL.
Posted by: snewsom2997 | September 21, 2011, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Solyndra with 4 different entities investigating and the need for a special investigator, Fast and furious where more incriminating tapes have come out. His
Chicago Golfing Buddy under investigation see Chicago Sun-Times for troubling
state fund dealings. His ideas that temporary tax cuts for permanent jobs and employee raises would even work shows no business sense. To continue his raid
on social security with tax cuts for the working. At the expense of Social security
solvency. All you need to know it started in Illinois, Where the state is broke,pensions for public employees underfunded, And the last two Governors
found Guilty of pay to play politics. One in prison and one on his way. See the pattern. Even his own party is now speaking out against him.
Posted by: deadwrestler | September 21, 2011, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Posted by: deadwrestler—–ChiTown Politics in DC what a surprise. Chicago has the most corrupt political system in the nation, because of the people in that system, so we gave them the keys to DC, did you expect any different.
Posted by: snewsom2997 | September 21, 2011, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Amazing how 78% of the democrats polled could still favor someone who is corrupt, can lie straight to your face and has placed this country in financial ruin with his redistribution of wealth economic policies. Really shows how our failed education system is producing ignorant and immoral population. I would be saying the same thing if Obama was a republican.
Posted by: J. Herrera | September 21, 2011, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Just in from the Dept of Justice’s (lol) Inspector General:
$600,000 for event planning services for 5 conferences.
$16 for muffins and $8.24 for a cup of coffee.
$121 million for conferences in fiscal years 2008-2009.
$32/person for snacks of Cracker Jack, popcorn, and candy bars.
$10 each for cookies and brownies.
Don’t worry folks. DOJ says they are going to do better. In the meantime, you “wealthy” folks send more money to DC. They are excellent money managers and could really care less since it is not their money…it is your hard earned dollars at work. Hey, maybe you will get to invest in more solar panel jobs.
Posted by: Salty | September 21, 2011, 10:26 am 10:26 am
And Warren Buffett, Obama’s poster boy for “fair tax reform” (as in, tax increases) — what a complete hypocrite and goofy fraud Buffett is. Here is a case of the truth being more wildly ironic than any fictional scenario one could plausibly invent.
For about the last 10 years, and still to this day, Buffett and his company Berkshire Hathaway have been in a protracted legal battle with the IRS to avoid paying about 1 Billion Dollars in back taxes they owe. Seriously. Google up the many articles about it if that seems simply too surreal to believe. So, Mr. Buffett is a hypocritical tax cheat himself. Hilarious and pathetic, but at least he fits together well with that other blatant tax cheat, Treasury Secretary Geithner, Obama’s other main “tax expert”.
Posted by: BraveNewWorld | September 21, 2011, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Lorrie, Lorrie, when all else fails, play that race card! Obama had ALL the answers during his campaign and he hasn’t a clue or the experience to solve anything. He has Chicago corrupt politics, though. Chris Matthews and MSM have felt that tingle down their legs for almost three years. Reagan didn’t whine about Jimmy Carter’s mess. Obama, Biden, etc. need to put on their big boy pants and accept responsibility for their mistakes just like every other administration. NO, BUSH WAS NOT PERFECT. Obama’s foreign policy scares me–he has no policy or plans, just photo ops (never boots on the ground in Libya!) It is not a sin to say that Obama should be a one-term president either. Bush was called every name in the book but he just didn’t whine.
Posted by: jonnie | September 21, 2011, 10:32 am 10:32 am
People, let’s call it like it is. This current economy was caused by greed, pure and simple. We all want designer clothes for $40. We all want leather couches for our living rooms but we only want to pay $1,000. Therefore, manufacturing goes overseas where labor is cheaper. We all want to be homeowners, no matter what our income and financial acumen may be; we thought that home prices would never decline in a market where selling a $700,000 home for $1,000 down to a WalMart clerk was the right thing to do. Financial gurus, banks, large investment houses as well as loan and real estate brokers grew rich (at least temporarily) under the grandest Ponzi scheme of them all. When the President, Congress and the two warring parties of this country finally grow up and put their heads together, the challenges of the country’s and the world’s economy will be rectified. Until the blame game ceases, nothing will be resolved.
Posted by: RohnertPark1 | September 21, 2011, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Envy and jealousy are surely the ugliest forms of greed.
Posted by: n'erdowell | September 21, 2011, 10:42 am 10:42 am
ROHNERTPARK! and N’ERDOWELL: Not bad. Not bad posts at all. Pretty much on the mark.
Posted by: Salty | September 21, 2011, 10:50 am 10:50 am
CAROL, September 21, 2011, 10:07 AM, SAID:
“The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama’s watch. The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion.”
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LMAO!…. From Leave It To Beaver, “Well Geese Wolly”, do you think these higher deficits (starting with the Bush years, and the Reagan years before that) have anything to do with Republicans introducing “Tax Cuts” WITHOUT any cuts in spending?
You just gotta love how the right-whiners focus on “the rate” of debt increase, and not “the causes” of the debt increase. For the Re-Publi-Tard-Minions, the argument is not about “What” is CAUSING the higher debt… the argument is about “who’s debt is faster”…. LOL!
You people, i.e., Re-Publi-Tard-Minions, are rediculous. You sound like third graders on a play ground… “Well, he hit me first.” …. “No, he hit me first.” ….. Re-Publi-Tard-Minions: “Well Obama’s debt is faster than Bush’s debt”.
LOL! …… it’s the debt that matters re-publi-tard-minions, and what factors are causing that debt, not who’s debt rate is faster.
The facts are this:
FACT # 1: Republicans ALWAYS want to be “nice guys” and introduce Tax Cuts (Reagan Tax Cuts and Bush Tax Cuts).
FACT # 2: They NEVER want to be real leaders and make the tough decisions to cut spending… oh yah, they do a lot of talk about cutting spending (when they no longer control the White House, and want to get the White House back), but after they get the White House back they end up saying things like this:
–> “I am not worried about the deficit, it’s big enough to take care of itself.”
(Ronald Reagan at the Gridiron Club, March 24th, 1984, joking about his annual deficits which climbed from $57 billion a year under Carter to $150 billion a year under Reagan)
–> “Deficits don’t matter, Reagan proved that.” (Dick Cheney)
FACT # 3: The two big jumps in the RATE of debt accumulation in our nation’s debt, occurred when Republicans were in office:
–> Rate of increase in the nation’s debt jumps from “BILLIONS per President” to “~1.5 TRILLION per President”:
Nixon / Ford Debt Increase = $292 Billion
Carter Debt Increase = $280 Billion
Reagan Debt Increase = $1.7 Trillion
–> Rate of increase in the debt jumps from “1.5-TRILLION per president” to “5 TRILLION per president”:
Bush # 1 Debt Increase = $1.4 Trillion
Clinton Debt Increase = $1.6 Trillion
Bush # 2 Debt Increase = $4.9 Trillion
FACT # 4: What “CAUSED” that jump in the rate of increase in the debt during Reagan and Bush # 2? …… ANSWER: Republicans, wanting to be “Mr. Popular” by introducing “tax cuts”, but not having the “bowls” (purposely misspelled) to show any leadership and introduce program / spending cuts.
FACT # 5: The current president has introduced spending cuts, even showing his willingness to cut MEDICARE, yet Republicans balk at his proposals… all because he has a “(D)” next to his name. That’s the difference between a real leader, someone saying folks we ALL need to make sacrifices (Obama) and those that just wanted to be “Mr. Popular” by introducing only “tax cuts” without having the leadership to also cut spending (Reagan and Bush # 2).
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 21, 2011, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Have all the people that support Obama been blinded by doggy wee,wee.
If so, we need you to be hit with a lead filled snowshoe. If you can figure this out maybe you will come back to your senses.
Posted by: deadwrestler | September 21, 2011, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Other than union members and those who pay no taxes, who could possibly view this pathetic man favorably??? Pity, maybe. Favorability, impossible.
Posted by: ray | September 21, 2011, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Not one person has mentioned,that one reason the spending under Obama looks so large,IS THE COST OF THE WARS ARE NOW IN THE BUDGET,THE WARS THAT GWB STARTED AND DID NOT PAY FOR,except several “emergency” bills,to hide the real cost from the American people.
Posted by: a sane txn | September 21, 2011, 11:41 am 11:41 am
“LMAO!….LOL! ROFL!!! ” etc, etc…
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie (many times, many blogs)
You can post up your lame cut-and-paste spin on all these blogs as much as you want, as in 24/7, but few are buying it at all, no matter how much you snort and giggle like someone in junior high.
Again simple facts:
From CBS News:
“The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now
increased $4 trillion on President Obama’s watch.
The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest
calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion.
It’s the most rapid increase in the debt under any U.S. president.
The national debt increased $4.9 trillion during the eight-year presidency of
George W. Bush. The debt now is rising at a pace to surpass that amount during
Mr. Obama’s four-year term.”
Also go to The Washington Post (also not a conservative source), and
see the excellent and understandable section entitled “Taking apart the federal
budget”. For the fiscal year 2011, we are running a record 1.27 trillion-dollar
deficit, and as they correctly point out: “As a percent of the overall economy,
the annual gap between spending and revenue is at its highest since WWII… the
worst deficits since WWII”.
Like…Duh: Your President Obama is spending too much, of his OWN misguided volition, like two galaxies and several deep oceans too much. Get it? Fuuny as can be? LOL!
Posted by: Carol | September 21, 2011, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Animosity against Obama is still racially motivated and encouraged by Republicans and Tea Partiers who have no plans or visions for America. The Democrats are the only ones expressing plans for recovery while Republicans and Tea Partiers spend their time and tax-payer money to defame the President. If Republicans could do more than scream and yell and spread propaganda, they would be worth listening to. But all I hear day after day is their trite sniveling. Get a plan, get a vision, or get out of politics. The more I hear crap from conservatives, the more I am encouraged to vote for Obama in 2012.
Posted by: heretic zero | September 21, 2011, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Sorry, we don’t live during WWII. We have to consider the cost of expenses of living in 2011, not 1946.
Posted by: heretic zero | September 21, 2011, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
@ J HERERRA ==================Amazing how 78% of the democrats polled could still favor someone who is corrupt, can lie straight to your face and has placed this country in financial ruin with his redistribution of wealth economic policies. Really shows how our failed education system is producing ignorant and immoral population. I would be saying the same thing if Obama was a republican.
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You REDS kill me!!! Redistribution of wealth… no one is giving money to the middle class and the poor…. get your head our of the sand!!!! The rich just need to start paying the same percentage of taxes that the middle class and poor pay! I don’t think that’s unreasonable… stop crying you selfish pig!
Posted by: Lorrie | September 21, 2011, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Georgie_Bushie. I am sure your numbers and comments are correct. 2 points. (1) The posts are so long I don’t know if anybody reads them and (2) we all agree that the past administrations had their problems including GW. We get all that….been said a zillion times already. I don’t think anyone really cares about all that horrible history. However, your arguments always place OB back at the same points in history. He told us he understood the problems and knew how to fix them. Well, it seems GW is still setting the bar…OB just can’t seem to get over it. Today is today..tell us something new.
Posted by: Salty | September 21, 2011, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
CAROL, September 21, 2011, 11:51 AM:
From CBS News:
“The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama’s watch.”
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LOL! …… Didn’t you say this before? What’s wrong, you have nothing to rebute my last comments at 11:11 AM, saying that you sound like a third grader? (LMAO!)
THIRD GRADER: “Well, he hit me first.” …. “No, he hit me first.”
CAROL: “Well Obama’s debt is faster than Bush’s debt”. (just like a third grader)
LOL! ….. Carol, do some research on what is “causing” the nation to continue to accumulate “trillions” in debt per presidential term. It’s this: Republicans ONLY wanting to be “Mr. Nice Guys” and introduce “tax cuts”, but never having the “kahunas” (no leadership) to match those tax cuts with cuts in spending… their record proves it:
Nixon / Ford increase to the debt = $292 billion
Carter increase to the debt = $280 billion
Reagan = $1.7 Trillion (a result of “tax cuts” with no cuts in spending)
—–> NOTE: First president EVER to have the debt increase “in the TRILLIONS” under his lack of leadership. Why do you think George H.W. Bush had to raise taxes?… LOL!… Duhh!
Bush # 1 increase to the debt = $1.4 Trillion
Clinton increase to the debt = $1.6 Trillion
Bush # 2 increase to the debt = $4.9 Trillion (a result of “tax cuts” with no cuts in spending)
—–> NOTE: First president EVER to have the debt increase “in the 5 TRILLIONS” under his lack of leadership. Why do you think Obama’s making the tough decisions to cut some programs and increase taxes?… LOL!… Duhh!
Guess what Carol, the Bush Tax Cuts are still in place, which the Republicans have fought tooth and nail to keep …. LOL! …. and they did nothing for this country except put us deeper in the hole.
I have no problem with getting another Republican in office…. but good God, PLEASE… I hope the next guy is not another “bowless” / “kahuna-less” president that thinks that plays “Mr. Nice Guy” by introducing only tax cuts, and then lacks any courage to propose spending cuts (like Reagan and Bush # 2 were)… LOL!
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 21, 2011, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Okay Heretic Zero, I will challenge your “racially motivated” post. There are two men. Which one of these is qualified to be president?
#1- He was CEO of Godfather’s Pizza, a large compay
He was chairman of the Board of Directors at the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City
He is a mathematician
#2 – He was a community organizer
He speaks well
He looks good in a suit at the podium
He is handsome
He is young
BTW, both are black Americans. Would you choose Obama because he is a Democrat or more qualified, or would you choose Herman Cain because he actually had a private sector career and more qualified? Do you think that when 97% of black Americans vote for Obama that they are racists?
Posted by: Jonnie | September 21, 2011, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Obama barely even qualifies as a bad joke anymore. He is inept, clueless, and clearly corrupt. A very bad combination for re-election. Pretty entertaining to see the anger and frustration from the left as it all disintegrates before their very eyes. For example, Lorrie, who hyesterically “screams” IN ALL CAPS! like a silly teenager whose been told she can’t go to the mall today, which is actually very often the mentality of many Obama supporters. Or it’s the juvenile pose of hyena laughter and phony, pretend superiority of a spin spamster like Georgie_Bushie. But it’s all very entertaining, and will get even more so as Obama continues to decline ever further, ever further on into political oblivion.
Posted by: BraveNewWorld | September 21, 2011, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Forget McConnell and the GOP. I think Obama is doning a fine job of making himself a one-term president all by himself.
Posted by: newcountryman | September 21, 2011, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Lorrie, your argument is for the rich to pay the same as the middle class and poor. Well, 47% of the folks pay nothing. I guess the “rich” would like that deal. Before deductions, etc, the top rates are: 5.7% for $20-$30,000. 12.5% $40-$50,000. 15% $50-$75,000. The very top rate of 35% is like $360,000 and up (you know the rate Buffet said about his secretary). Again, those are rates BEFORE those nasty deductions, exemptions, etc, are factored in. Now, which bracket do you think Buffet’s secretary really fits….maybe 15% before deductions. And that old dude would have us believe it was 35%. So, which poor or middle class bracket do you prefer the rich to be in….per your argument.
Posted by: Salty | September 21, 2011, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
The day that the new Republican President is sworn in, things will begin to change. The Senate can repeal Obamacare, cut the regulations red tape, and allow drilling again. The economy will boom. It won’t happen at once, but the Dem Senators will have to cooperate. Just a little bit longer!
Posted by: Anebt | September 21, 2011, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Georgie Bushie, just more cut-and-paste crap from you that is your whole schtick on these boards, a schtick that persuades next to no one. Plus of course, your LOL!!!! ROFL!!!! and LMAO!!!! Once more: Like…Duh: Your President Obama is spending too much, of his OWN misguided volition, like two galaxies and several deep oceans too much. Get it? Funny as can be? Furthermore, he has no real plan to stop or cut spending substantially either, but rather to spend more and more, and just shift the focus to taxes, which will not solve the spending or debt problems at all, even if he did get every tax hike he wants. Again, as you say, LOL!
Posted by: Carol | September 21, 2011, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
CAROL, September 21, 2011, 12:28 PM:
“Georgie Bushie, just more cut-and-paste crap from you…”
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LOL! …… It’s hard for Republicans to look in the mirror and face the factual, historical record of their beloved heroes (Reagan and Bush # 2).
Hey Carol, Obama may not be the exact solution to the problem…. but I’m not willing to go back and vote for a Republican after their pittiful record of being so-called “fiscal conservatives” over the past 30 years… LOL!… “fiscal conservatives” (Reagan? and Bush?)…. my arse… LOL!
THE REPUBLICAN RECORD:
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Nixon / Ford increase to the debt = $292 billion
Carter increase to the debt = $280 billion
Reagan = $1.7 Trillion (a result of “tax cuts” with no cuts in spending)
—–> NOTE: First president EVER to have the debt increase “in the TRILLIONS” under his lack of leadership. Why do you think George H.W. Bush had to raise taxes?… LOL!… Duhh!
Bush # 1 increase to the debt = $1.4 Trillion
Clinton increase to the debt = $1.6 Trillion
Bush # 2 increase to the debt = $4.9 Trillion (a result of “tax cuts” with no cuts in spending)
—–> NOTE: First president EVER to have the debt increase “in the 5 TRILLIONS” under his lack of leadership. Why do you think Obama’s making the tough decisions to cut some programs and increase taxes?
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LOL! ….. Only fools keep going back to those crooked car salesmen (Republicans), and believe that “this time, it’s going to be different, we promise” bull-crap.
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 21, 2011, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
I don’t know who you are polling and I really don’t care. I am supporting Obama-Biden in 2012…It is the right thing to do for me and America. I am not intimidated or swayed by the media hype and lies of ‘let him die’ GOPs. I also cannot support any party who has two candidates bachmann and santorum who signed the pledge stating blacks children were better off as slaves. If a member of the GOP becomes President it speaks volumes about this country.
Posted by: Ebbie | September 21, 2011, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Jonnie | September 21, 2011, 12:16 PM:
“Would you choose Obama because he is a Democrat or more qualified, or would you choose Herman Cain because he actually had a private sector career and more qualified?”
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I would choose the guy who understands that it’s a combination of both “increased revenue” and “cuts in spending” that’s going to dig us out of this huge hole we find ourselves in. …… We tried the Republican “Tax Cuts” only option under both Reagan and Bush # 2… it didn’t work.
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 21, 2011, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Hey Georgie_Bushie, LOL!!! and Hello!
Does yer impressive (lame spam) figures there include the half a billion dollars stupidly and corruptly lost by Obama in the Solyndra debacle? Yeah, add in another half a billion dollars straight down the drain — 500 million, no less — all because of Obama’s clunky ideology and sneaky strongarm tactics. And what about that 1 Billion, yes billion, that Warren Buffett still owes the IRS? (Referred to above in the post by BraveNewWorld) Can we add that onto Obama’s debt since they’re like real good buddies (co-conspirators) and all? Just wonderin’ cos we gots to have our figures right, LOL!
Posted by: Joe Plumber | September 21, 2011, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
…”Only fools keep going back to those crooked car salesmen (Republicans), and believe that “this time, it’s going to be different, we promise” bull-crap.”
(Georgie_Bushie)
Almost entirely correct there, my fine spamming fellow. Just replace the word “Republicans” with Obama and/or Democrats, and it sums up fairly succinctly exactly why Obama is going to be unemployed come next November. Oh, and naturally…LMAO!!!
Posted by: Carol | September 21, 2011, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Joe Plumber | September 21, 2011, 1:22 PM
“Does yer impressive (lame spam) figures there include the half a billion dollars stupidly and corruptly lost by Obama in the Solyndra debacle? Yeah, add in another half a billion dollars straight down the drain — 500 million, no less —”
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LOL! ….. Joe, at least you started off by calling my data “impressive”. By the way, it’s not my data, it’s just factual data from various government websites (Table 1-1 of the Office of Management and Budget) on the sad, but true, record of Republicans over the past 30 years, claiming to be “fiscal conservatives” and then ending up being far from “fiscal conservatives”….. just “Mr. Nice Guys”, no leadership, “I just want to be re-elected, so let’s introduce tax cuts again” fellas (without any spending cuts)… LOL!
But… of course, the plumber types (like you) never actually see the record of Republicans, so you go on being “gullible” thinking that Republicans are “fiscal conservatives”… LOL!… so, I thought I’d share that data with you unknowing types… LOL!
Anyway, regarding the loss of $500 million, i.e., the “half-a-billion” you’re talking about…. Hmmmm… I’d rather have “half-a-billion” lost in America, than the “$9 BILLION” that disappeared in a country far, far, away (Iraq) in 2005, when we had Republicans in control. ….. LOL!…. You ought to read up on that story:
“Audit: U.S. lost track of $9 billion in Iraq funds”
(CNN, January 30th, 2005)
Geese, what tough choices we have:
Republicans ($9 Billion Missing in Iraq) … Democrats (“half-a-billion”)…. Republicans ($9 Billion Missing in Iraq) … Democrats (“half-a-billion”) …. Republicans ($9 Billion Missing in Iraq) … Democrats (“half-a-billion”) …. LOL!
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 21, 2011, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Carol | September 21, 2011, 1:33 pm…..
LOL! ……. Carol, you remind me of the “Dorothy” character in the Wizard of Oz….. “I wish, I wish, I wish..” that one day a true “fiscal conservative” will come along…. LOL!
Hey “Dorothy”…. I promise you though, I do promise you … when Republicans actually, one day, introduce “tax cuts” combined with “cuts in spending” …. and prove themselves to be true “fiscal conservatives”, and not just those “tax cuts” folks that resulted in Reagan’s debt increase of $1.7 Trillion and Bush’s $4.9, I promise you, when I see that kind of a performance record, I will go back to voting for Republicans. …. LOL!… Let’s just say for now, I’ve taken my Republican “race horse blinders” off, and you haven’t, OK?
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 21, 2011, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
LOL!!…Georgie_Bushie. Dorothy, LOL! I’ll take it, since she returns home, and realizes how great home actually is. She even has some great adventures along the way. most of which she says “were beautiful.” I don’t believe you know any more about film than you do about having a life outside of spamming the ABC boards night and day to support Obama. Using the same film, you rather remind me of the Wizard — all smoke and mirrors, and no real wizard abilities, except claiming you are a wizard, until being exposed as a fraud. Except, at heart, the Wizard was kindly old man, which probably is not even remotely true of you, unless you are old, LOL!
P.S. — It’s all in vain. Obama will lose next year. ROFL!
Posted by: Carol | September 21, 2011, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
LOL! And hello again to Georgie_Bushie, LOL!
As you say, I’m just a plumber-type guy, not a 24/7 posting intellectual such as yourself, with charts and graphs and figures that pretty much prove (mislead) that Obama’s wild spending that nearly everyone is worried about is actually just a lie, or a mirage, or some other phantom of the imagination. Maybe even a conspiracy or cabal. or conundrum?
But did I miss something? Did Obama immediately quit the war in Iraq, and I just dreamed we were still there? Maybe he didn’t entirely quit it at all, but saw that it was necessary to stay there awhile longer? Very complex for a plumber-type guy like me, :)
And what about that 1 Billion, yes billion, that Warren Buffett still owes the IRS? (Referred to above in the post by BraveNewWorld) Can we add that onto Obama’s debt since they’re like real good buddies (co-conspirators) and all? Just wonderin’ cos we gots to have our figures right, LOL!
I’m tryin’ real hard to get it, so keep enlightening me, because it makes me laugh lots, even if I never do completely understand it all. Oh, and naturally…LOL!
Posted by: Joe Plumber | September 21, 2011, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
The vultures are circling the White House.
Posted by: al | September 21, 2011, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Georgie -Bushie figures are just like Obama’s, pure speculation that 100% wrong!
Nothing but smoke & mirrors.
Posted by: al | September 21, 2011, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
The Senate has NOT submitted a budget in 850 + days. Ask Harry why?
A first in American history.
What’s up with that?
Posted by: al | September 21, 2011, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Some of are retired and posting here; others, …. are they paid or compensated by Obama, the DNC, Soros or (directly/indirectly) one of his bazillion progressive organizations?
Posted by: deanbob | September 21, 2011, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
These articles on President Obama’s supposed slip in the polls is becoming like posting how many days left til Christmas.
Posted by: Thomas | September 21, 2011, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
First of all those polls are grossly misleading. Obamas favorability is around 39%. The liberal news can try to raise them by disengenious math but thats the fact. It would behoove the liberal left to have someone run against hiim. If not, the democrats are going to lose so big in 2012 that I don’t think they will every recover. So folks, take polls from the liberal left with care because they are going to do all they can to not expose the most corrupt, awful president in history. Lets talk about Solyndra the solar company that Obama pushed thru for a loan of 535 million dollars that went bankrupt. We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg now. It’s going to get really ugly before its over when we find out that billions of dollars of the stimulus went to his campaign donors.
Posted by: Susan | September 21, 2011, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you weren’t racist, you better vote for someone else in 2012 to prove your not an idiot.
Posted by: dan kind | September 21, 2011, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
DAN KIND | SEPTEMBER 21, 2011, 10:53 PM ……………………………………….. LOL! …… Just the fact that somehow you think people are “proving themselves not to be a racist” (in the privacy of a voting booth??????) confirms that you’re an idiot. … LOL!
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 21, 2011, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
“”"”"”Georgie_Bushie: LOL, waiting for Common Sense, i.e. Ifrichar to come out here boiling. It’s hilarious when they get into a tizzy straight from the actual valid nothing partisan source.”"”"”"”
Posted by: phantomniter
Why would I be boiling over a non-article? BTW, I thought you and XRep (Bushie) didn’t believe in polls? X’s posts are truly becoming comical and childish. He attacks one side for debts when the other side does the very same thing. As for this administration, they are spending “double time” (ask X what that means in military terms). Obama is spending what Bush spent in exactly half the time. Choke on that X!
Posted by: CommonSenseParty | September 22, 2011, 6:20 am 6:20 am
Georgie_Bushie | September 21, 2011, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm —- Funny how Iraq was a bipartisan effort and you would pin the spending problems solely on the GOP. I guess because your boys never do anything wrong? Hmm, didn’t Pelosi have the purse strings the past 4 years? Oops, I am sure you don’t want to hear that.
Posted by: CommonSenseParty | September 22, 2011, 6:24 am 6:24 am
Hey Georgie Bushie, you like cutting and pasting right? Here ya go! “”"”"”"”(CNSNews.com) – When Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) gave her inaugural address as speaker of the House in 2007, she vowed there would be “no new deficit spending.” Since that day, the national debt has increased by $5 trillion, according to the U.S. Treasury Department.
“After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: Pay as you go, no new deficit spending,” Pelosi said in her speech from the speaker’s podium. “Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt.”
Pelosi has served as speaker in the 110th and 111th Congresses.
At the close of business on Jan. 4, 2007, Pelosi’s first day as speaker, the national debt was $8,670,596,242,973.04 (8.67 trillion), according to the Bureau of the Public Debt, a division of the U.S. Treasury Department. At the close of business on Oct. 22, it stood at $13,667,983,325,978.31 (13.67 trillion), an increase of 4,997,387,083,005.27 (or approximately $5 trillion).
Pelosi, the 60th speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, has added more to the national debt than the first 57 House speakers combined.”"”"”"”
Posted by: CommonSenseParty | September 22, 2011, 6:47 am 6:47 am
“Lets talk about Solyndra the solar company that Obama pushed thru for a loan of 535 million dollars that went bankrupt. We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg now. It’s going to get really ugly before its over when we find out that billions of dollars of the stimulus went to his campaign donors.”
POSTED BY: SUSAN
I’m nearly certain that you are right, Susan. Additionally, as Obama’s smokescreen tax debate heats up and rolls along, the glaringly crazy hypocrisy of Buffett and his company Berkshire Hathaway still owing the IRS 1 Billion Dollars — yes, a Billion — in back taxes (for more than a decade now) will become more widely reported, discussed, and justly mocked, with the memory and focus on that other blatant tax cheat, Treasury Secretary Geithner, Obama’s other main “tax expert,” also coming back into the foreground.
Going to get much rougher still for Obama the Very Corrupt.
Posted by: BraveNewWorld | September 22, 2011, 11:04 am 11:04 am
I still can’t figure out what crack the 0bama disciples are somking thinking that 0bama’s going to win next November. Win what? Not a presidential election. I still can’t figure out why he was given a free Nobel Peace Prize for nothing. I mean sure, Jimminy Carter got one for befriending Palestinian terrorists… hey… wait a second…. I think I’m seeing a trend…
Posted by: TexBork | September 22, 2011, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm