At Ohio Rally, Obama Says Jobs Plan ‘Isn’t About Giving Me a Win’

President Barack Obama speaks on his proposed American Jobs Act Sept.13, 2011 during a visit to the Fort Hayes Arts and Academic High School in Columbus, Ohio.
One day after sending his latest jobs plan to Congress, President Obama said Republicans’ unwillingness to embrace it wholesale amounts to political “games” meant to undermine his bid for re-election.
“Yesterday, there were some Republicans quoted in Washington saying that even if they agree with the proposals in the American Jobs Act they shouldn’t pass it because it would give me a ‘win,’” Obama told a crowd of 3,250 supporters at a rally outside a Columbus, Ohio, public high school.
“‘Give me a win?’ This isn’t about giving me a win,” he said. “This isn’t about giving Democrats or Republicans a win. It’s about giving the American people a win. It’s about giving Ohio a win. It’s about your jobs and your lives and your futures and giving our kids a win.”
Obama delivered the pitch for his $447 billion proposal, first rolled out in an address to Congress last week and taken on the road to Richmond, Va., telling the crowd it would put more money in consumers’ pockets and create or save tens of thousands of jobs. He said up to 14,000 teacher, firefighter and other first-responder jobs facing elimination could be saved in Ohio alone.
“Call and email and tweet and visit and tell your congressperson that the time for gridlock, the time for games is over,” an animated Obama told the crowd.
Republicans, however, suggested Tuesday that it was Obama who was playing games.
“We all get the joke. He’s in Virginia, Ohio and North Carolina. Doing what? Selling to the American people for his re-election effort,” said Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus on a conference call with reporters. “With this president it’s all politics, all the time.”
Obama’s visit to Franklin County, which he carried with 59 percent of the vote in 2008, underscored the importance of Ohio for Obama’s 2012 campaign. Wednesday he heads to Raleigh-Durham, N.C., another 2012 battleground he narrowly carried four years ago, to make a similar pitch for his plan.
“I just don’t think that’s really going to help our economy the way it could,” House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, told reporters before Obama spoke in Boehner’s home state.
“As we get into this conversation with the president about how we help our economy, I hope he’ll listen to our ideas,” Boehner said, “and I hope that he’ll work with us to find common ground to get our economy moving and create jobs again.”
White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters on Air Force One before the president’s speech that the administration is open to piecemeal passage of its jobs plan if the package cannot win support as it is.
“We believe Congress should act on the American Jobs Act right away. We believe that if Congress were to send a portion of the American Jobs Act, the president would, of course, not veto it. He would sign it. And then he would return to press Congress to get the rest of the job done,” Carney said.
“We understand how Congress works, and we look forward to Congress moving quickly,” he said, “not because we tell them to or the president tells them to, but because the American people are demanding that they act.”
One sign of the administration’s optimism? The choice of music blared over loudspeakers at the conclusion of Obama’s speech: Stevie Wonder’s 1970 hit single “Signed, Sealed Delivered.”
ABC News’ Jon Garcia contributed to this report.
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Really, Mr. President? Who is playing games? Who waited until three years into his presidency to submit a “jobs bill” that isn’t really about creating jobs? Who put this “plan” together without bipartisan support, and then expects it to pass as-is? Who is playing games with peoples’ lives, Mr. President?
Posted by: jacksmith0110 | September 13, 2011, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
One of the most common traits of a narcissist is to claim something is not about them when everyone knows it is.
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Pres Barry speaks mostly of redistributing wealth, not creating wealth. He wants us to hate the wealth creators, rather than follow their example. The result has been a growing dependency on government, robbing the former middle class of their liberty and opportunity.
Any Republican candidate is better than Pres Barry for 2012, except that Jon Huntsman & Ron Paul need to quit the Republican Party, join the Democrat Party, and run against Pres Barry as a Democrat.
Posted by: bl | September 13, 2011, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Yeah, right. Enough with the straw men, Mr. President. I want to see an actual quote from an elected Republican at the national level– congressperson or senator— who actually said anything remotely resembling the nonsense the president claims. Not talking heads or candidates or analysts or pollsters, but actual republican elected officials. Don’t think you’ll find such a quote. But I await being persuaded otherwise.
Posted by: moderate | September 13, 2011, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Jacksmith and Chuck: You guys are two peas in a pod; must you complain about everything the president does? What’s the right wing plan, cut taxes and give more money to the wealthy?
Posted by: Justuspofolks | September 13, 2011, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Barack’s $500 billion jobs project is simply a funnel of your federal dollars to his crooked Patrons. The DNC accepts cash graft in exchange for this bogus social welfare programme. Congress should impeach Barack on charges of corruption and favoritism with your money.
Posted by: dustin58sc | September 13, 2011, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Speaking of the wealthy, Obama is a multi-millionaire who saved $100,000 on his 2010 federal taxes by extending and taking advantage of the Bush tax cuts he vilified. Why doesn’t he lead by example and send that money back to the US Treasury? Why doesn’t he send all of his salary? It’s not like he needs it. His entire lifestyle is bankrolled by taxpayers. The response from the left who regularly criticizes the wealthy? *crickets* … Hypocrites.
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
“What’s the right wing plan, cut taxes and give more money to the wealthy?”
Posted by: Justuspofolks | September 13, 2011, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Not at all. The 51% of Americans who currently don’t pay any federal income tax need to start doing so. I’m tired of subsidizing them. Everybody uses highways. Everybody must pay something to use them. No freeloaders.
Let’s begin by setting your personal federal income tax rate to a minimum 60% and eliminating all of your exemptions and deductions. We can’t pay off a $14 trillion debt with Hope and Change, you know.
“Everybody has got to make some sacrifices, everybody’s gotta take a haircut.” – President Barack Obama, April 5, 2011
Did you hear that? Everybody. That includes you.
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
I have a jobs plan but you must wait two weeks to hear it, then pass it and two weeks later I’ll tell you how we are going to pay for it. How did this clown get elected?
Posted by: Allen | September 13, 2011, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Who’s there to say that you have any chance to win? Who wants to jump on the band-wagon with wheels falling off?
Clueless and delusional, period.
Posted by: acdc2012 | September 13, 2011, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
“How did this clown get elected?”
Posted by: Allen | September 13, 2011, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
That’s easy. A sycophantic media that buried any of his negatives, an obscene $750 million campaign, and millions of ignorant voters who believed meaningless rhetoric like “Hope and Change” and “Yes We Can.”
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Funny how the Republicans still also haven’t put out a jobs plan either and made a big stink about the deficit instead of trying to create economic stability. Just a reminder: Republicans got voted in during the last election claiming they would fix it, yet employment is still above 9%. Great job, Republican congresspeople…
Posted by: omgbreathe | September 13, 2011, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Both the Republicans and Democrats are in the pockets of mega corporations. They both are draining this country of wealth and jobs. The only solutions either have is to slice the pie thinner, and to spend away even our future wealth.
Posted by: Ralph W Siegler | September 13, 2011, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Why are people so blind? Get the bill passed! This bill is a partisan bill. What do you people think that he sat around and wrote this bill by himself??? Then the Republicans sit around and say that he won’t listen to your ideas…WRONG…you just want him to listen to ALL your ideas. There are experts that helped him write this bill. Stop this my way or the highway mentality and compromise!
Posted by: justayreal74 | September 13, 2011, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
So the President’s plan is to take more taxpayer dollars so local governments can avoid laying off teachers (perhaps not needed due to declining enrollments) and to do infrastructure work with his favored unions. Perhaps we could support him if his plan didn’t just cater to union workers that contribute to his political campiagn. Show us how your policies will create non-union private sector jobs. Oh and Chuck, I agree 100%. Everyone should have some skin in the game. It is ridiculous that so many pay no federal income taxes yet demand the rest of us pay more. How is that fair?
Posted by: pat | September 13, 2011, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
–“Everybody has got to make some sacrifices, everybody’s gotta take a haircut.” – President Barack Obama, April 5, 2011–
Haircuts are for the little people.
Posted by: Jeffrey | September 13, 2011, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
There are experts that helped him write this bill…….Yeah, experts in spending other peoples money ! What happens when the money runs out ? That’s right, unemployment goes back up !
Posted by: bergen | September 13, 2011, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Moderate: “Put simply, McConnell concluded, this plan is “not serious” and is “more of a re-election plan than a jobs plan.” So much for your “straw man” dismissal, eh?
Posted by: puppyfeet217 | September 13, 2011, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
I am sick & tired of BOTH sides doing the same thing they blame the other for doing. Shut up and just work together for the love of God.
Posted by: Diane | September 13, 2011, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
This is the worst Congress ever… How productive have the Republicans been in Congress?
Posted by: threeriverscrossing | September 13, 2011, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
It’s funny, the guy who lies the most, the guy who deceives the most, the guy who plays the most political games is constantly trying to blame everyone else BUT HIM for the idiocy. Grow up already – it’s just getting embarrassing now!
Posted by: DJH | September 13, 2011, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
““As we get into this conversation with the president about how we help our economy, I hope he’ll listen to our ideas,” Boehner said,..” *** According to the President his plan is filled with those ideas.
Posted by: mytakeonthis61 | September 13, 2011, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Who waited until three years into his presidency to submit a “jobs bill” that isn’t really about creating jobs?
Posted by: jacksmith0110 | September 13, 2011, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Jack if you know so little about the bills passed to stimulate jobs under this administration, you’d be better off not commenting. Seriously, look into it.
Posted by: Don | September 13, 2011, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
@puppyfeet…Tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% does not create jobs…it’s not working! Somebody that can afford to pay taxes needs to pay. Pretty soon no one is going to have the money to go out and buy their goods and services then what????
Posted by: justayreal74 | September 13, 2011, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Sorry, Puppyfeet, but I’m still waiting for a winner. You responded with this quote from McConnel:Moderate: “Put simply, McConnell concluded, this plan is “not serious” and is “more of a re-election plan than a jobs plan.” Please show me where in that statement that Mr. McConnell says that he agrees with the ideas in the president’s plan or that the reason not to vote for it was to deny the president a ‘win.’ McConnell is indeed acknowledging that this is blatant electioneering, but that is not what the president’s strawmen were supposedly saying. The prez says that “some republicans in washington’ were saying they liked the plan’s ideas but would vote against it anyway simply to deny him a win. mcConnell said nothing of the sort.
Posted by: moderate | September 13, 2011, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Jack if you know so little about the bills passed to stimulate jobs under this administration, you’d be better off not commenting. Seriously, look into it.”
Nothing says job stimulation like 9.1%.
Posted by: Jeffrey | September 13, 2011, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
@Chuck, all due respect to you but if you think that President Obama is a multi millionare ( which he is not) but then you must be talking about the Weeper of the House, mitchie boy McConnell and all the other republicans also right??? You chuck and others are the hypocrits! To all the republicans here, didn’t they run last year on that they had a solution to the jobs??? Well where is it then???? I am waiting, Oh yea they don’t and never did.
Posted by: Tina M Tompkins | September 13, 2011, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
The 51% of Americans who currently don’t pay any federal income tax need to start doing so.
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
You could take half of EVERYTHING that 51% owns and it would amount to less than putting a 2% tax on the wealthiest of us.
That is half of everything they own!
Also, those people are liable for payroll taxes, gasoline taxes, tobacco and alcohol taxes, sales taxes, state taxes – your attempt to frame them as ‘non tax payers’ is as bogus as your whole argument.
The top 1% of wealthy Americans own more than the entire wealth of the bottom 90% combined! Most of that wealth built on capital earning capital, lots of it inherited – like with the Bush family.
Posted by: Andy | September 13, 2011, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
To all the republicans here, didn’t they run last year on that they had a solution to the jobs??? Well where is it then???? I am waiting, Oh yea they don’t and never did.
Posted by: Tina M Tompkins | September 13, 2011, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
That was just a ruse to get elected. Same as Bush’s promises of ‘smaller government’ and ‘surpluses’ were a ruse to get elected.
Posted by: Andy | September 13, 2011, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
Do people still come to Obama rallies?? The picture looks like a lot of dummies lined up behind him.
Posted by: MartinK | September 13, 2011, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
You will not get a win on this phony political ploy “boy king”………….. “BoY KiNg” the new name Rachel Madcow has given Obama
OBAMA_______VS_______AMERICA
Posted by: Yep I said that | September 13, 2011, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Good ole Republican’ts — ooooooh, noooooo, look Obama is just doing’ politics. (We can’t help him. We can’t help the country because it might help him. We can’t do that!! ).
Did they NOT take an oath to the American People when they took office? Each and ever one of them should be charged with TREASON and IMPEACHED FROM OFFICE!! How DARE they let politics get in the way of creating jobs for Americans and getting us out this mess THEY CREATED!!
Posted by: mshare | September 13, 2011, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
If it’s not Obama’s way – it is no way. And then he blames the Republicans for “playing games” when he is the one playing games.
Posted by: irishrose | September 13, 2011, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
The problem is “How are we going to pay for it Obama?”
Posted by: dgh629 | September 13, 2011, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
You know what’s destroying the country? The childish bickering between republicans & democrats & Americans as a whole. Basically, Americans are at war with one another & that can’t result in anything good.
Posted by: seeingitself | September 13, 2011, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Republicans… Democrats… Teabaggers… right-wing/left-wing… ALL OF YOU, I’m freakin’ sick and tired of EVERY last one of you!! Nothing is getting done and every last one of you is worse than a group of toddlers who can’t get along in the schoolyard sandbox. My vote in 2012?? It’s going to be a write-in vote, and it’s going to be for… Meryl Streep. That woman could play ANY role that’s handed to her and end up winning an award for it when all is said and done. So, let’s get her in The White House, and at the very least she can PLAY the role of a strong, intelligent, unifying and decisive leader. Then maybe something will finally be accomplished. And what a refreshing change that would be from the last 10 years or so.
Posted by: Thespus | September 13, 2011, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
The same old clanky song and the same old clumsy dance from Obama, the totally inept windbag. Political games — puffy posing and pompous posturing, and dull-as-dirt demagoguery — is about all there is to this habitually hypocritical Prez. It would merely be perversely hilarious, but it’s at our expense, unfortuantely. I’ll be so very glad when, with a figurative crowbar, he is finally dislodged from his showboating office. Back to being a “community organizer” — if he can find a “community” entirely braindead and gullible enough to have him “organize” them.
Posted by: Mike Frank | September 13, 2011, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
“Obama is on the ropes; why do we appear ready to hand him a win?” said one senior House Republican aide who requested anonymity to discuss the matter freely. (Washington Post, NY Times, Huffington Post, UP, AP, many others)
This is the quote which began running right after the President’s speech. This isn’t a game, it isn’t a boxing match, it’s MY life and yours. The Republicans and Tea Party have got to go. This isn’t about re-election campaigns. It’s about JOBS. And the Republicans and Tea Party don’t care about jobs. All they care about is not doing a single thing that might help the economy for the reason stated above. They might help the President. They have to keep the economy busted to achieve their ONLY political end, getting President Obama out of office. And they are willing to drive us into a depression to do it.
Posted by: Cindbird | September 13, 2011, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
POSTED BY: CHUCK | SEPTEMBER 13, 2011, 5:30 PM 5:30 PM “…ignorant voters who believed meaningless rhetoric like “Hope and Change” and “Yes We Can.”
Hey Chuck did you watch the Republican rhetoric last night?
How’s this for meaningless: $5,000 bribes are insulting. Let the uninsured die. Treasonous. Social Security is criminal. “Slam Dunk”…. yet silence about jobs. Based on the applause, the “ignorant voters” reckoned all Muslims were responsible for 9/11.
I hear Chuck Norris attended the debate as Perry’s guest. You guys related?
Posted by: green.goddess | September 13, 2011, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
He continues to demgogue this issue. It’s just another stimulus that won’t work. Many parts of his plan have been tried and failed again and again. The sad part is that the Democrats including Barack obama thinks whatever you or I makes and earns is really the governments to take. Is that the kind of government you want? The so called rich he talks about are investors and business people who risk there resources to build and create in this economy. So i guess the left doesn’t want a viable private sector.
Posted by: Buzzsaw49 | September 13, 2011, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
2008 “yes we can”
Obama-Care after less than 2 years of passing out over 1,000 Obamacare wavers.
“1.5 million lose health insurance from employers…” Sept 13, 2012
This is leadership leading from behind… Over half of all Obamacare Waivers are given to Union Members??
Posted by: bl | September 13, 2011, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Reading the message board comments, clearly, we are all doomed.
The sheople have lost their shepherd and have no interest in finding him. Perhaps, when the flock has died of starvation due to their own hubris, will they see the error of their ways.
Posted by: sarmoon | September 13, 2011, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
It would be nice to be 2012 already and weeks from the election to replace Pres Barry.
“1.5 million lose health insurance from employers…” Sept 13, 2011
Posted by: bl | September 13, 2011, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
“Yesterday, there were some Republicans quoted in Washington saying that even if they agree with the proposals in the American Jobs Act they shouldn’t pass it because it would give me a ‘win,’”
That’s been the Republican tactic from the beginning. It’s no wonder a majority of Americans disapprove of the Republican party.
Posted by: Andy | September 13, 2011, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
I notice that the article didn’t name any of these supposed Republicans-who-won’t-give-Obama-a-win. What a coincidence. No names, no links to quotations, nothing.
And, President TelePrompter could convince me that he’s being honest, and that he’s not simply campaigning for re-election very simply. All he has to do is announce that he’s not running for President again, and I’ll believe him entirely.
Posted by: Ken Green | September 13, 2011, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Moderate,
the president said, as quote above, “Yesterday, there were some Republicans quoted in Washington saying that even if they agree with the proposals in the American Jobs Act they shouldn’t pass it because it would give me a ‘win,’”
You change the parameters and say, “Enough with the straw men, Mr. President. I want to see an actual quote from an elected Republican at the national level– congressperson or senator— who actually said anything remotely resembling the nonsense the president claims. ”
Why change the parameters? To rant at the president and pretend he was wrong when you know very well that Politico reported and many others repeated the quote of a GOP aide:”“Obama is on the ropes; why do we appear ready to hand him a win?” said one senior House Republican aide who requested anonymity…”— there’s one Republican, but in the article titled “GOP grumbles about jobs plan” Marin Cogan and Jake Sherman specifically mention Republicans, more than one. And their not the first to mention the cynical political scorched earth tactics of the GOP. Have you read Mike Lofgren’s piece called, “Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult”?
“A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress’s generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner….A deeply cynical tactic, to be sure, but a psychologically insightful one that plays on the weaknesses both of the voting public and the news media. “
Posted by: Kimberly | September 13, 2011, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
That’s been the Republican tactic from the beginning. It’s no wonder a majority of Americans disapprove of the Republican party.
Posted by: Andy | September 13, 2011, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Exactly. Mike Lofgren points it out in his piece about why he’s leaving the GOP. A NYT profile of McConnell pointed it out two years ago. And Politico mentions it this week in relation to the jobs plan and conversations with GOP aides in Washington, see ““GOP grumbles about jobs plan”— and the quote Obama is referring to: ““Obama is on the ropes; why do we appear ready to hand him a win?”
People in this same party say Bernanke is committing almost treason and call social security an illegal scam. They have no credibility, only to low information voters and the perpetually duped or deviant.
Posted by: Kimberly | September 13, 2011, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Justayreal74, what are you trying to take up with me for? Take your argument to someone who’s in this for a fight. I was replying directly to Moderate’s request for a quote, but now he has quite suddenly changed what it was he was asking for. Uh-huh, moving the goal posts. Quelle surpise!
Posted by: puppyfeet217 | September 13, 2011, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
President Obama, it’s not all about you. Republicans have legitimate concerns about your policies and yuor progressive agenda that has bankrupted once great states like CA, MI and your own IL. We don’t like your policies, which has nothing to do with you personally.
Posted by: pam | September 13, 2011, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
Posted by: green.goddess | September 13, 2011, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
I’m very disappointed your post didn’t contain any references to dead philosophers. Have you created any family wage jobs yet?
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
The $500 billion jobs project will obviously benefit the DNC by kick-back campaign contributions for next year’s elections. Their Patrons will receive the $500 billion in return for their financial and political support. The DNC hopes to hold a number of key positions in the United States Senate.
Posted by: dustin58sc | September 13, 2011, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
“The top 1% of wealthy Americans own more than the entire wealth of the bottom 90% combined!”
Posted by: Andy | September 13, 2011, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
That’s a myth, tierra. It’s substantially less than that. You can also accumulate a lot more wealth if you actually worked.
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
@puppyfeet McConnel was right! How is a 500 billion dollar stimulus going to do anything different than his trillion dollar stimulus? Why weren’t those roads and bridges built with the trillion dollars? This is nothing more than a bailout to the selected states that vote for him. In addition after the states are given the money they spend it on what they see fit. Get educated on how this game is played.
Posted by: J.Herrera | September 13, 2011, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
“@Chuck, all due respect to you but if you think that President Obama is a multi millionare ( which he is not)…”
Posted by: Tina M Tompkins | September 13, 2011, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
According to Wikipedia, the Obamas earned a combined $1,795,314 in 2010. The latest estimated net worth for Obama is $10.1 million. Google “List of heads of state and government by net worth.” It’s much easier to become a multi-millionaire when you you don’t have to pay for your luxury lifestyle.
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
The 51% of Americans who currently don’t pay any federal income tax need to start doing so.
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
You could take half of EVERYTHING that 51% owns and it would amount to less than putting a 2% tax on the wealthiest of us.
That is half of everything they own!
Also, those people are liable for payroll taxes, gasoline taxes, tobacco and alcohol taxes, sales taxes, state taxes – your attempt to frame them as ‘non tax payers’ is as bogus as your whole argument.
The top 1% of wealthy Americans own more than the entire wealth of the bottom 90% combined! Most of that wealth built on capital earning capital, lots of it inherited – like with the Bush family.
Posted by: Andy | September 13, 2011, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
There are many good sources for the information on wealth distribution. From Wikipedia “In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%.”
If the top 10% own 71% of the wealth, that leaves 29% for the bottom 90%. The top 1% own 38%.
The top 1% of the population own more than all of the wealth of the bottom 90% combined. (ie. 38% vs. 29%)
As is so often the case, Chuck is full of it.
The wealthy have only gotten wealthier since 2001, the poor have gotten poorer.
Posted by: Fred | September 13, 2011, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Honestly, I prefer the Republican “jobs” plan that they had when they controlled the White House, Senate and House between January 2001 and January 2007, because that Republican jobs plan created a lot of housekeeping and waiter jobs… LOL!…
(Note: All data is from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics)
‘MADE IN AMERICA’ MANUFACTURING SECTOR:
Start, January 2001 = 17,114,000 jobs
End, January 2007 = 14,009,000 jobs
NET LOSS in ‘MADE IN AMERICA’ manufacturing sector jobs when Republicans controlled the White House, Senate and House = – 3.1 million in 6 years.
LEISURE AND HOSPITALITY SECTOR:
Start, January 2001 = 11,977,000
End, January 2007 = 13,322,000
NET GAIN in Leisure and Hospitality sector jobs when Republicans controlled the White House, Senate and House = +1.3 million in 6 years.
History already shows us what a Republican “jobs plan” can do for the country….. LOL! … Manufacturing jobs go away, and housekeeping and waiting table jobs increase.
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 13, 2011, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
Posted by: Fred | September 13, 2011, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
I started off in the US as a poor immigrant in my teens and worked 70+ hour weeks to go from the bottom 10% to the top single percentages. English wasn’t even my first language yet I paid for my own education and worked hard to become a successful entrepreneur. The reason I attained success is because my thinking is diametrically opposed to yours. You’ll never become wealthy if you hate the wealthy. Plus, it’s easier to accumulate wealth if you actually work.
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
@georgie_bushie
I’ve decided I will contribute one dollar to a republican every time you post.
Posted by: foggy | September 13, 2011, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
Posted by: Fred | September 13, 2011, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
Hope and Changers really don’t exactly have a lot of credibility when it comes to discerning the difference between truth and lies. An example for others? I spend time running two businesses and I assist entrepreneurs launch new businesses. I help a lot of people put food on their tables. What do you spend your time doing all day?
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Posted by: Chuck | September 13, 2011, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Regardless of the many great accomplishments you boast of, you don’t know the difference between the truth and a lie. Or you don’t care. Neither is admirable nor to be set up as an example for others. It’s a major character flaw. You don’t impress me one bit.
Posted by: Fred | September 13, 2011, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
“You don’t impress me one bit.”
Posted by: Fred | September 13, 2011, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
I couldn’t care less. My success doesn’t require your approval.
Posted by: Chuck | September 14, 2011, 7:03 am 7:03 am
Posted by: foggy | September 13, 2011, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
Foggy, you win the coveted Post-o-da-Day Award™ for September 13th 2011.
When logic and common sense don’t work, you inspire us all by using something substantial such as money to counter stupid.
Posted by: Noz | September 14, 2011, 7:41 am 7:41 am
NOZ, September 14, 2011, 7:41 AM, SAID:
“Foggy, you win the coveted Post-o-da-Day Award™ for September 13th 2011.”
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LMAO!……… Ooooooh, this must be the re-publi-tard version of “big boy talk”… LOL! Probably just the same person (Noz and Foggy) congratulating himself…. LOL!
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 14, 2011, 8:48 am 8:48 am
For people saying 51% don’t pay taxes. RICH PEOPLE ARE PART OF THAT 51%! It’s not all poor people. And poor people can’t afford to pay more, that’s why they don’t pay more than they do. On the other hand, the rich that don’t pay CAN AFFORD TO PAY, BUT DON’T.
Posted by: Sandy | September 14, 2011, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Posted by: Sandy | September 14, 2011, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Lie. The top 10% pay over 70% of all federal income taxes. They’re subsidizing your lifestyle.
Posted by: Chuck | September 14, 2011, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Fred: what an interesting comment. The party that has been lying to America about “higher taxes kill jobs” for over a year and that caused the biggest tax increase we will ever see through their intransigence in the debt limit negotiations, which caused the rating downgrade that will result in hundreds of billions of dollars in increased interest, which will require higher taxes to be paid by everybody, citizens and corporations. It was the Republicans who caused uncertainty in the minds of the S&P analysts, not the president, who often was the only adult in the room. “My way or the highway”, callow Freshmen who are so dumb they don’t know that compromise has been central to all of the laws passed by Congress since the days of the Continental Congress, and that compromise was involved in the drafting of the three most important documents ever produced by our government: The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Emancipation Proclamation. In the words of the immortal Bugs Bunny, “what a bunch of maroons” .
Posted by: Steve Hamilton | September 14, 2011, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Posted by: Steve Hamilton | September 14, 2011, 9:59 am 9:59 am
More lies. The rating downgrade was directly related to the inability of Congress to address the long-term debt trajectory. The Republicans were the only ones who presented a WRITTEN plan (“Cut, Cap, and Balance”). Democrats presented NOTHING in writing, only rhetoric and demagoguery.
”Cut, Cap and Balance would have averted the downgrade since it is the only serious outlook on the debt.” – David Beers, S&P
That said, I’m not against higher taxes for you. I’d like your minimum federal income tax rate to be set to 70%. Also, I want all of your exemptions and deductions eliminated. Your current share of the national debt is $131,314. It’s time you started paying it off.
Posted by: Chuck | September 14, 2011, 10:06 am 10:06 am
I’ll paraphrase Obama’s (CAMPAIGN) speeches……. “Even though I chose to pursue Obamacare and Dodd-Frank instead of making this speech two years ago, I want you to pass my bill RIGHT NOW!! Even though my “stimulus” plans of the past have failed… I think if I word this right… you will forget the failures and think it sounds like a good idea… especially if I use the tested phrases “billionaires”… and “teachers”! My re-election is hinging on “infrastructure” ideas that will take years to plan and complete (no shovel-ready this time), but I need to sound Presidential… so if I raise my voice and sound “urgent”.. the people will forget my dismal record for the last three years! —— Please let your memories fail for me!!”
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | September 14, 2011, 10:07 am 10:07 am
LoyalOp…. don’t you work for the federal government, and that’s why your username is “Loyal” opposition? ….. hehehehehehe!
Posted by: Georgie_Bushie | September 14, 2011, 10:09 am 10:09 am
No it isn’t, because it will not happen.
However, it IS about squandering 1/2 a trillion tax dollars, to make Obama look like he is helping people, so he can influence the 2012 campaign. He is campaigning, and not much else.
However, the waste is great, the benefits insignificant, and the plan doomed before it was ever put on paper………..which was just yesterday.
Obama is a fraud……..an actor, playing a role. He has no idea how to create a single job in this country. He absolutely has not a single idea of how to reverse the off shoring of American jobs, which is precisely what our problem is.
Neither party will admit the truth……our government has allowed our jobs to be sent off shore, without ANY penalty to business. None. That’s the real problem, and Obama is totally inept, when it comes to ding anything about that.
Obama’s only focus is welfare.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | September 14, 2011, 10:12 am 10:12 am
“Obama’s only focus is welfare.”
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | September 14, 2011, 10:12 am 10:12 am
More specifically, the Cloward-Piven strategy.
Posted by: Chuck | September 14, 2011, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Hope is desire or want. Embracing change means embracing insecurity.Some of you want to denie reality and replace it with Hokeness and pocket change. the trickle down theory does work I can here the pants unzipping now. your social Darwinism will not restore the long lost conquerer indentities of the past. Many people work 70 hrs a week and are not rich. Do not have health care.The policies of the previous renegade Bush administration set the fondation of our current economic failure. What you will not provide will be taken by the poor. By any means necessary!
Posted by: D money | September 14, 2011, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Do we all agree that the President has spent most of the last couple of months “on the road again,”as W. Nelson would say? Consider this for his rationale: if he schedules more “Presidential” trips…ie, taxpayer paid campaign stops, he can avoid serious work in the Oval Office. He isnot out of touch as he vacations, tools around in a big Canada built bus, and moves his teleprompter around ONLY to states he “needs” for a second term……….he is, as we say in Chicago and elsewhere, “out to lunch.”
Posted by: justj joey | September 14, 2011, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Cut, cap and balance is an anti-stimulus that would lower GDP and employment in the short term. It’s not a good idea with the prospect of a double dip recession looming. It would hurl us straight into it. It isn’t a realistic proposal until the economy is stronger and less stagnant and more people are employed.
The credit rating downgrade was related to GOP brinkmanship and game playing, and the GOP’s pledge not to raise tax revenues.
“The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America’s governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. ” — S & P
“S&P senior director Joydeep Mukherji said the stability and effectiveness of American political institutions were undermined by the fact that “people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default,” Mukherji said. “That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority, is something notable.”
Posted by: Kimberly | September 14, 2011, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Georgie_Bushie 10:09 am —– Nope!! ——– From Wikipedia… LOYAL OPPOSITION: “In parliamentary systems of government, the term loyal opposition is applied to the opposition parties in the legislature to indicate that the non-governing parties MAY OPPOSE THE ACTIONS OF THE SITTING CABINET – while maintaining loyalty to the source of the government’s power. The concept thus PERMIT THE DESSENT necessary for a functioning democracy, as the POLICIES OF THE GOVERNING CABINET CAN BE CHALLENGED WITHOUT FEAR OF BEING ACCUSED OF TREASON against the state.” ——– (MY Caps for emphasis!!)
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | September 14, 2011, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Why doesn’t he just say the truth. That he wants to put $500 billion on our children’s credit card to buy votes with and to give to those who will give to him. At least he’ll be honest if he says that. So he plans to create/save 1 million jobs. That’s $500,000 a piece. How efficient. Are we really that stupid? With that amount of money you should be able to create several millions of jobs, the fact of the matter is that most of it will be stolen from us- just like the first trillion was.
Posted by: Chino | September 14, 2011, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Georgie_Bushie 10:09 am —- By the way… this implies that I will have to change my “post-name” in Nov 2012….. when the GOP assumes control of both houses of congress and the white house!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | September 14, 2011, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Kimberly 10:22 am ——- Please be rational!! — The S&P reference to “brinksmanship” did NOT specify the “party” responsible (your assumption)….. You cannot deny that the GOP “Cut, Cap, and Balance” was the ONLY PLAN to pass either chamber of Congress that exceeded the S&P threshold!! —- Too bad the Dems rejected it… and too bad they did not come up with a plan of their own that met the S&P threshold!! —– As a result…. it was a DEMOCRAT downgrade!!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | September 14, 2011, 10:37 am 10:37 am
Posted by: Kimberly | September 14, 2011, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Your S&P propaganda has already been debunked multiple times.
Tell us again how Republicans and the Tea Party are “very unpopular”. I love those posts.
Yesterday in New York, “very unpopular” Republican newcomer Bob Turner scored an upset victory in a special election over David Weprin, a Democratic assemblyman from a prominent local political family. Turner won Anthony Weiner’s old congressional seat by eight points in a district where Democrats have a 3-to-1 registration edge and a Republican has not held office in nearly a century.
In other news, “very unpopular” Republican Mark Amodei also won a landslide victory in a U.S. House special election in Nevada, an important presidential swing state. Weird.
You’re not just spreading propaganda, are you Kimberly? That would be very lame and dishonest.
Posted by: Chuck | September 14, 2011, 10:38 am 10:38 am
“REPUBLICANS ARE SO ENTERTAINING AND TRANSPARENT! They don’t care about this country… they lie, they cheat. It should be no surprise to anyone that the Repubs would not pass the jobs bill… they just don’t care about anything other than getting Obama out of office, not because of his leadership, but because he is a democrat and a black man!”
Posted by: Lorrie | September 14, 2011, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Yawn.
Posted by: Mary | September 14, 2011, 10:42 am 10:42 am
The legislation of morality. The legislation of culture. Baby makes a speech.The star wars fly. Pray the gay away.Pray for pay. Failed policies of the moral majority and it’s mythology. It is time we wake up the dream we made up! Someone pass the TP (party) I need to take a s888t. You will not win the culture wars against us because we are legions. We are fed up with how your bred up.Your security has always been an illusion . So hold your breath until your face turns as blood red as your neck.
Posted by: D money | September 14, 2011, 10:45 am 10:45 am
This really gets me ######. First the Republicans and Tea heads criticize, and lie… saying that Obama has no job plan… then when he presents one, they tear it to shreds! They all should be fired… what kind of bigots do we have working for us??? and….. they want to have a Republican in the White House? We will have no more, social security, medicare or even homes to live in if they make it. God, please watch over us!
Posted by: Lorrie | September 14, 2011, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Chuck, you make a claim that these quotes have been “debunked”, yet you don’t debunk them. The facts remain…
Cut, cap and balance is an anti-stimulus that would lower GDP and employment in the short term. It’s not a good idea with the prospect of a double dip recession looming. It would hurl us straight into it. It isn’t a realistic proposal until the economy is stronger and less stagnant and more people are employed.
The credit rating downgrade was related to GOP brinkmanship and game playing, and the GOP’s pledge not to raise tax revenues.
“The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America’s governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. ” — S & P
“S&P senior director Joydeep Mukherji said the stability and effectiveness of American political institutions were undermined by the fact that “people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default,” Mukherji said. “That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority, is something notable.”
There are more quotes, too. Interviews with people at S&P.
As for how unpopular Congressional Republicans, the tea party and GOP proposals are, it’s very easy to look up. Rasmussen, NYT, CNN have all found via polling that the tea party and Congressional Republicans are extremely unpopular.
Do you make the claim that Turner will pass tea party litmus tests? Or somehow change the favorability and approval rates of Congressional Republicans?
Turner won because of Weiner and Koch, two dems. Republicans have nothing to do with it.
Posted by: Kimberly | September 14, 2011, 11:11 am 11:11 am
His plan will not work. Temporary Tax Credits for Permanent Raises and Jobs shows
lack of business Knowledge. You lose money. Obama must think business are run like
government, at a loss. I also encourage Senior citizens to call your Senators and
Representatives to vote against this bill, as it for the second year in a row it robs
social security of funds to the program,in favor of tax cuts that will not make a difference as this past year has shown us.
Posted by: deadwrestler | September 14, 2011, 11:29 am 11:29 am
When will the Republicans and some democrats in congress realize that bashing the president on aech and everything he says and does creates no jobs TALK ABOUT YAWN!!!! The main focus for these selfish people is not their grandchildren and what they will have to pay for, it’s not their so called beloved country. IT’s making sure Obama is a one term president.
Posted by: minds12 | September 14, 2011, 11:36 am 11:36 am
“The main focus for these selfish people is not their grandchildren and what they will have to pay for, it’s not their so called beloved country.”
Posted by: minds12 | September 14, 2011, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Speaking of selfish, your current share of the national debt is $131,318. Let us know how you plan to pay it off. Hope and Change isn’t legal tender. We’ll need your cash.
Posted by: Chuck | September 14, 2011, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Chuck, you make a claim that these quotes have been “debunked”, yet you don’t debunk them. The facts remain…
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Some people don’t care about ‘facts’ or ‘truth’ . .. just their own ignorance and arrogance. Noble traits.
Posted by: Charlie | September 14, 2011, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
Let us know how you plan to pay it off.
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I know how Republicans plan to pay it off….by putting the burden squarely on the shoulders of working class Americans.
Posted by: SKIP | September 14, 2011, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
CHUCK
Has someone been at your door trying to collect the $131,318 you or I owe. Have you gotten a tax bill. I haven’t. In fact my taxes have gone down. Your numbers are meaningless , its Americans owing Americans or do expect the Chinese to come and get it.
Posted by: tferretti | September 14, 2011, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
“Some people don’t care about ‘facts’ or ‘truth’”
Posted by: Charlie | September 14, 2011, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
It’s a fact that sockpuppets always agree with other sockpuppets.
Posted by: Chuck | September 14, 2011, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Posted by: tferretti | September 14, 2011, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Your mortgage company doesn’t come to your door asking you to pay off your loan balance. It doesn’t mean the debt doesn’t exist and that you don’t owe the money. Your attitude is shared by millions of Americans in deep denial about their debt. It’s one of the primary reasons why so many people are experiencing so much financial distress.
Posted by: Chuck | September 14, 2011, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
CHUCK
Interest rates are down to almost nothing. The debt goes up and down with the economy. Americans aren’t loosing sleep at night about the debt, they are about whether they are going to have a job tomorrow. The “do nothing ‘republicans are using the debt as an excuse to keep this economy in a funk just so the president is not re-elected. They had a change to reduce the deficit by 4 trillion dollars but choose to reduce it by 1.7 trillion because of their political gamesmanship.
Posted by: tferretti | September 15, 2011, 9:37 am 9:37 am
It is such a waste of time to even have to read any reports about what Obama says. One can take any article and simply change the date and location, and guess the rest, because no matter the order in which they appear, Obama’s claims are always the same. It goes this way: “poor, poor, misunderstood me, here I have been working so hard to fix the economy, and everything would be perfect by now if it weren’t for those mean, awful Republicans. Boohoo, boohoo, if you love me, please make them stop bothering me!” Then he proceeds to blame Republicans for everything he himself is trying to do to destroy the economy. Harry Truman said “If you cannot convince them, confuse them. It’s an old political trick.” SORRY TO INFORM YOU, OBAMA, THIS TIME IT WILL NOT WORK!
Posted by: Monica | September 25, 2011, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm