Karl Rove: Rick Perry’s Social Security Views ‘Toxic’

I dont see a problem with turning SS over to the states. I like Perry but I also like Romney

It seems to me that everytime an even margianally conservative candidate comes forward Rove does his hardest to crush him. What is it with this guy he has to knock everyone and everything that he didn’t plan himself?
He needs to get over himself he isn’t nearly as smart as he thinks he is. (kind of sounds like I am talking about Obama…)

Wait, let me try and recall. Karl Rove is the guy who let the MSM crucify Bush without uttering a word in his defense for 4 years, right?

Yeah, I’m gonna listen to THAT guy.

Rove is the worst kind of public figure. Never elected to anything in his life or responsible for any of the policies he promoted. A Perry presidency puts a big hit in his pocketbook, because Perry has no use for him or his cronies.
Perry/Rubio (or how about Perry/Romney) 2012

I’m guessing he’s back in Texas now praying for rain to put out the wildfires, since the firefighters aren’t fully funded at the state level so he could provide tax breaks to his wealthiest donors.

Somehow I think if Rick Perry is the best chance to beat Obama we’ll have four more years of Birthers and obstructionists.

Gee, Karl knows exactly what to say to get himself a little MSM love.

David Koch got erased!!!!

Posted by: Celia—You make it transportable a true individual account. Or you can just do what most people do, and invest in an IRA, a 401k, CD’s, Savings Bonds, or preferably all of these. Give more to the government and they will just spend it, like they have already on buying votes. Sorry but for many in America the government is simply untrustworthy, because the promises only last as long as the person who made the promise is in office.

First, if the US government hadn’t raided Social Security for funding other than retirement, there would be plenty of money to cover payments for years to come. Second, the easy fix is to raise the payroll deduction salary cap to $200,000 or $250,000; this would bring in more than enough funds to keep Social Security alive for decades. Third, pushing Social Security down to the State level is ridiculous. The States have enough to deal with without pushing administration down to that level. The Republican Party is not going to win the 2012 election with right wing ideals and ultra conservative stances. Mr. Perry is not what this country needs to pull itself out of the current economic crisis. If this country wants to get its budget balanced, an immediate withdrawal of troops from the Middle East would be a good start.

Posted by: James—-No they just think they know what is in other peoples best interest, that they can spend the money better than the people who earned it. That we need to be herded like sheep because we are too stupid to take care of ourselves. Perry, Romney, Obama, are all just two sides of the same coin Big Government control.

Posted by: RohnertPark1—Not it isn’t easy to fix because people are paid 3-4 times what the contributed. raising the salary cap wouldn’t do a thing because there aren’t enough people who make above that salary cap to make a difference. The entire SSI scheme is just that a scheme, it isn’t insurance, and you don’t get paid what you paid in, you get paid what you children pay in, and unlike earlier times in US history, this will be the first Generation to be worse off than their parents so the whole thing comes apart. Without unlimited job, population, and income growth, generation over generation it is not workable. By simply giving the government you money you have abdicated any say on how it is spent, invested or doled out, and at the end of the day the baby boomers or their kids will get a not in the mail saying there is no more money and no more will come.

Celia, have you ever heard of the US mail. If you retired in Ohio, they would be in charge of your SS and could send you a check every month. The railroads in the United States opted out of SS when it was started in the 30′s. There is not one railroad retiree who would trade his retirement fund for SS. Teachers in Texas, as well as some counties, have their own retirement system as well. I am a retired Texas teacher with 40 years of service and my monthly retirement check is $4800.00 per month which includes insurance. SS can’t even get close.

Posted by: pksk531—Pensions and Health Care we established well before that, SSI copied the plan from Otto Von Bismark in Germany. The reason 65 was chosen was because that was the age of most pension plans. SSI was to pay for widows and orphans of those whose primary breadwinner had died, and the pension payments ended, you were still expected to plan for you own retirement. Retirement is not a right, it never has been and never will be. Retirement is earned with savings, save enough get to retire, don’t and work till you die. Life is about trying as hard as you can until you make it or it kills you, and making it is what you consider making it.

How about this as an option… allow me to opt out of Social Security, drawing $0 in the future, and allow me to put that money into a 401K. I’m 42 and I would jump at the chance!

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, Karl.

If you don’t think Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, go establish an identically funded investment scheme and sell it to consumers. Or at least ask Bernie Madoff how that worked for him.

Posted by: Kevin—-It wouldn’t be allowed because without your money the people who are in the system can’t get paid.

LOL…LOL….look at all the ‘divisiveness’ in the GOP/conservative supporters comments. I’m telling you…this election is going to ‘rip this Party apart’ at the seams. All I can say is “I’m glad’ and ‘good riddance’. Go ‘back to the past’ and your ‘traditions’…where you belong! And let the rest of us rebuild our country with progressive reforms.

Unfortunately, the democratic party is being ripped apart too. Obama’s pushing republican policies, validating Bush/Cheney/Rove by continuing instead of ending their policies. Ridiculing liberals and telling them they have no where else to go–a demonstrably false notion.

I’m looking forward to voting third party or doing a write in.

Republicans are either completely nuts or still pushing policies which have failed for the last 30+ years. Democrats have decided to be republican lite. We need a third choice.

Rove is right (no pun intended). I’m a white working class guy who would maybe vote for Romney, but the Repubs are so enamored with radical right-wing thinking that it doesn’t look like they are interested in the swing votes, just the slam dunk conservative votes.

My major problem with Rick Perry is his role in the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham, who was convicted of setting his house on fire and killing his kids on flawed “science” that was not even up to the standards of the time. Even with a report on his desk saying the evidence against Willingham was incorrectly interpreted by the untrained arson investigators, Perry let the execution proceed rather then halt it to allow an investigation by Texas State arson investigation professionals. The Texas Forensic Science Commission, even after Perry replaced it’s chairman in 2010 with one of his cronies in order to suppress their investigation, still stated that “flawed science” which did not meet the standards of the time of the arson investigation, was used to convict & execute Willingham. In other words, Perry not only sent man to death that Texas State investigators believe was innocent (or at a minimum, say there is no evidence of wrongdoing), but Perry has done everything he can over the years to rig State of Texas investigations into the matter. The Houston Chronicle has been on this story for years, but the Lame Stream Media ignores it because it’s too complex and requires the audience to have an attention span longer than a gnats.

Carl Rove needs to swallow his pride and remember his professional place and stop with the disparaging remarks. We don’t need any more comments from the peanut section…