President Obama to Propose Millionaire’s Tax Called ‘Buffett Rule’
President Obama on Monday will propose a special “millionaire’s tax” that he will call the “Buffett Rule,” Obama administration officials told ABC News.
The president’s pitch will come in the context of his remarks about deficit reduction. He will not be specific in terms of rates, but officials said such a tax would affect fewer than 450,000 taxpayers, or 0.3 percent. The proposal was first reported by Jackie Calmes of the New York Times earlier tonight. The proposal is to make sure that millionaires pay at least the same tax rate as those in lower brackets, officials said, an issue billionaire investor Warren Buffett recently raised by noting he pays a lower tax rate — 17.4% — than his employees, whp average a 36% rate.
Faced with a Congress that opposes many of the suggestions he has made for job growth and deficit reduction, the president is increasingly making proposals that seem designed to garner popular, even populist, support — Republicans call it “class warfare” — so as to draw contrasts with Republicans for election 2012. But the public’s lack of confidence in his handling of the economy could undermine his ability to push his measures, however well they poll, through Congress.
The president’s proposal will generally be based on the notion put forward in an August New York Times op-ed by billionaire investor Warren Buffett called “Stop Coddling the Super-Rich,” officials said.
Buffett specifically suggested that the so-called “Super-committee” required to come up with $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction should “leave rates for 99.7 percent of taxpayers unchanged… But for those making more than $1 million — there were 236,883 such households in 2009 — I would raise rates immediately on taxable income in excess of $1 million, including, of course, dividends and capital gains. And for those who make $10 million or more — there were 8,274 in 2009 — I would suggest an additional increase in rate. My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice.”
The president in his tour of the Midwest last month embraced Buffett’s call as his own.
“Warren Buffett had an op-ed that he wrote today, where he said, ‘We’ve got to stop coddling billionaires like me,’” the president said in Cannon Falls, Minn. “The point is, is that if we’re willing to do something in a balanced way — making some tough choices in terms of spending cuts, but also raising some revenue from folks who’ve done very well, even in a tough economy — then we can get control of our debt and deficit and we can start still investing in things like education and basic research and infrastructure that are going to make sure that our future is bright. It’s not that complicated, but it does require everybody being willing to make some compromises.”
Republicans have said they are not willing to raise taxes at this time of economic instability, particularly on the wealthy, since they say it would hinder job creation and investment.
– Jake Tapper

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Posted by: ATTITUDE | September 17, 2011, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
Why didn’t Mr. Obama not do this 3 years ago? Is it because election is closing in.
Posted by: young_voter | September 17, 2011, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
And in DESPERATION Obama tries to recapture his FLEEING BASE ………
Posted by: jb1111 | September 17, 2011, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
It’s about time. Now have Congress have an up or down vote on it. This will be a winner for Obama and the middle class.
Posted by: Glenn | September 17, 2011, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
There is NOTHING stopping Mr Buffet & Mr Obama from giving TWICE the amount they paid last year.
Posted by: Steve_1042 | September 17, 2011, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
The last time the tax hike argument came up he offered to start the increase at people earning one million. The GOP was having none of that.
Posted by: ATTITUDE | September 17, 2011, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
And remember… regardless of how much Mr Obama can EXTORT out of the wealthy today… it will only lead to LESS MONEY in everyone’s pockets tomorrow
Posted by: Steve_1042 | September 17, 2011, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
STEVE I’m curious though. What is stopping YOU from having any dang common sense here and getting the fact these people are paying a smaller percentage than those earning less? WHY would you people take up for this?
Posted by: ATTITUDE | September 17, 2011, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
“And remember… regardless of how much Mr Obama can EXTORT out of the wealthy today… it will only lead to LESS MONEY in everyone’s pockets tomorrow”……. Everyone? Hardly. Though I’d imagine one Rush Limbaugh, your guru selling you this snake oil, will feel a bit of a pinch losing some 54 million per year out of his wads of millions you ignorant people continue to wish to see him keep.
Posted by: ATTITUDE | September 17, 2011, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
I have all ways wondered why it is Buffet has to have a law passed for his ass to pay more taxes? Far as I know, most American’s over pay through out the year and get a refund at the end of the year (which I think is stupid). If you DO NOT file and you over pay during the year, the Gov’t is not going to send you a check. They only come after you if you owe them.
Posted by: ohnooooooooooooooooo | September 17, 2011, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
The Republicans should agree to raise the tax with only one condition – Obama has to start telling the truth about how little this tax will bring in compared with Obama’s MASSIVE deficit. Obama is spending about $1300 billion more than he takes in every year. This tax will raise less than $100 billion.
Where is Obama going to get the rest, the $1200+ billion that we’re still borrowing from China and others? Here’s a hint – when Obama is drawing attention to his right hand going into the pockets of the rich, you’d better be watching his left hand carefully because it’s headed into your pocket.
Posted by: meab | September 17, 2011, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
.03%? Hmmmmmmm.
Seems to be punishing folks to put on a good show, because this is going to raise a minuscule amount of $.
It’d probably make a bigger difference if we taxed the 50% of the population that pay 0 taxes. I thought we were all about paying fair share….?
Posted by: Stew | September 17, 2011, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
Seems like a no-brainer. Give Obama credit for delivering the ball back in the hands of congress. Now let them decide if they want a balanced approach or continue down the path that got us where we are now. Bush erred by not asking anyone to sacrifice for two wars. That decision has come back to haunt us. Now the middle class is unemployed, manufacturing is slowed and the Republicans seem willing to sacrifice the next 14 months of our economy and our lives just to win the White House in 2012. Listen to the people Boehner.
Posted by: Rob Dent | September 17, 2011, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
“Obama is spending about $1300 billion more than he takes in every year.”…….. Yeah, because we had a recession and suddenly we stopped taking in as much as we had been. Meanwhile things already promised needed to get paid. Is this math too hard for some of you?
Posted by: ATTITUDE | September 17, 2011, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
ATTITUDE | September 17, 2011, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm wrote: “Why didn’t Mr. Obama not do this 3 years ago? Is it because election is closing in.” +++++ Because he needed 60 votes from the Senate and the GOP would NOT allow members to break ranks and vote with the Democrats. The GOP does NOT want Americans feeling good about themselves or their country until after the Nov. 2012, when the GOP figures the many fools among us will blame it all on the White House.
Posted by: The_Mick | September 17, 2011, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
THE_MICK – You got the wrong person on that one. I’m on your side.
Posted by: ATTITUDE | September 17, 2011, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
This will maybe raise 45-60B a year if they put a 10% tax on families making over 1 mil. Until people who make that much are able to offset capital gains with losses, move money, or cahnge the way they’re compensated. You don’t get rich by being dumb.
And Rob Dent, the middle class is not unemployed. Check the job boards in diff cities. There are so many jobs that companies can’t fill because we have an unqualified immobile workforce. If theres no jobs in your industry in your city, then move! This is why jobs get shifted to India.
And I would never hire anyone who has been unemployed for 6 months or 99 weeks unless there is a GREAT reason as to why they haven’t so much as a temp job or went back to school in that period of time.
Posted by: Stew | September 17, 2011, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
Interesting how many people want to sock it to the rich. Is it because you don’t pay any income taxes yourselves? Probably. Perhaps you should stop being so envious of other people and do something with your own life. As in…GET A LIFE.
Posted by: TJ | September 17, 2011, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
TJ, no one wants to ‘sock it to’ the rich as you put it. But asking them to pay a slightly higher tax rate, when the Bush tax cuts put so much more in their pockets, isn’t unreasonable in this time of national need. Do you know what percentage of the national debt is due to the Bush tax cuts?
Posted by: Lydia | September 17, 2011, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
TJ – I pay plenty in taxes. A higher percentage than they do. So enough of this put down.
Posted by: ATTITUDE | September 17, 2011, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
Stew, I have been trying to hire 3 programmers since last November. Finally 6 months ago I hired a headhunter….. still no luck. She told me that there are programmers out there, but they are afraid to move because of the housing market.. they cannot afford to get stuck with 2 homes. I know for a fact that if you are in this situation, it is hard to get any help on financing for the home you are trying to sell because the Gov’t and Banks look at it as a Second Home… lol.. yea, I guess that is what it is, but it is not like it is a Lake home or something. Obama seems to want to jump out to help people on the HOME they live in, but don’t care to help those having problems selling the one they were in because they moved to get a job.
Posted by: anotherday | September 17, 2011, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Excellent!!! About time! Bette they pay back the money they cost us!!! The tax cuts to the wealthy over Bush’s time has cost us 3 TRILLION!!!! 3 TRILLION of this debt is their tax cuts ,which gave us NO JOBS!!! THEY should pay that back!! NOT us!
Posted by: WellLetsBHonestHere | September 17, 2011, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
Oh this is stupid…….the truely rich would only move their money off shore. This is another Obama games and what he claims as “rich” changes daily so just remember for those giddy about class warfare what Obama says rich today is at $1 million may quickly go back and be redefined as those making $60,000…………………….you may also want to note that moral people know singling out of one group to be given harsher treatment/abused is WRONG.
Posted by: You know it is true | September 17, 2011, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
all democrats act like the “evil rich” aren’t paying any taxes at all. they pay more than i, a middle classer, will ever pay. poverty is up, people getting money from others to buy food, i.e. food stamps is up, why in the world would you want to take money from the business owners? it can only lead to more unemployment. no poor person owns or runs a business that i know of. change the tax code and reduce spending. only two things that will work. obama and the democrats are driving america off the side of the grand canyon!
Posted by: easy brown | September 17, 2011, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
regardless of how much Mr Obama can EXTORT out of the wealthy today… it will only lead to LESS MONEY in everyone’s pockets tomorrow
—-actually, the accumulation of wealthy to that percentage is the RESULT of less money in our pockets. The oil company profits that you never saw one cent of, the lower capital gains taxes, the high coroprate profits, the higher usery fees on banks and credit cards and loans…who gets al lthat money??? where did it go???? the upper echelon rich. They are getting SOOO much money from SOOO many different avenues. The oil companies made over 200 BILLION in profit last year. Did they turn any of that proft into savings for consumers? no. Foolish man. You think more profit, more money in the pockets of rich folks will result in YOU having more money??? Grow up. They squeeze EVERY DIME out of you that the free market will allow. If they can charge you $100 a year for a checking account,…they will. They will screw you to the wall, layoff all the jobs, ship them overseas, make HUGE profits and NEVER share any of it with you or anyone else. I n fact, that is exactly what happened. Where IS all the money that was in this economy??? Who has it? It went somewhere,…where is it???? stuck. At the top. Among those 1%ers. They have it. They really do. They have had profits out their ying yang, WHILE shipping jobs out, WHILE getting huge bonuses, WHILE getting tax cuts, WHILE getting handouts and subsidies from the governments for their busiensses like the 2 billion we handed oil companie sthat already made 200 billion in profit. How much of a fool are you????? the ONLY way to get the wealth back into society as a whole is the to tax them.
Posted by: WellLetsBHonestHere | September 17, 2011, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
evil rich” aren’t paying any taxes at all. they pay more than i, a middle classer, will ever pay.—-that’s not true. They pay LESS as a percentage of income, than you do. This is fact. How do you not know this?
Posted by: WellLetsBHonestHere | September 17, 2011, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
why in the world would you want to take money from the business owners? it can only lead to more unemployment.—-why? Do you know nothing of economics??? CUSTOMERS create jobs. not rich people. This is fact. We are a consumer based economy. The collective buying power of the middle class and the poor OVERWHELMINGLY is the engine that drives this economy. But the middle class and the lower class have no money to spend. Where did it go?????? who has it? Someone does. Who? The ubber rich. fact. Corporate profits are HUGE. AND capital gains tax is the lowest it’s ever been in 60 years and personal income tax for the rich is the lowest it’s EVER been in our entire history AND fees for banks, credit cards, loans, etc, ALL are up. Where is all this money going??? to the SAME people getting the big tax cuts. JObs shipped out en masse so production costs are tiny, who made the profit when that happened???? the ubber rich. Did they share the profit with their employees???? no!!!! They froze their wages or laid them off because….they could. This brand of rich, this generation, is by far, the most unAmerican selfish greedy immoral group we’ve ever had in this country. Not only do I have no conpunction raising their taxes ,which is meaningless really, the raises are so tiny compared to what they take in, it will do NOTHING to raise prices a single cent. in fact, it should then be used to pay teachers and pave roads and repair bridges becuase it IS the money that is taken from those people when they buy peanut butter but it’s in a jar that is 20% smaller who also have to pay $5 to use an ATM.
Posted by: WellLetsBHonestHere | September 17, 2011, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
we are talking about rich folks here not “evil oil” companies… also we are not talking about percentages… who cares about that? they pay much more than you or i ever will, yet you want more, more, more… you seem like you are ok with stealing someone else’s money they have earned. you and the democrats have a type of thinking that are a threat to our future economic freedom. taxing the rich is not the answer for americas problems.
these “evil rich” folks have just learned how to make money better than most of society. there is not set amount of cash in the economy, just ask the fed… they print it freely, to our demise, but still they print… are you jealous of the rich?
Posted by: easy brown | September 17, 2011, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
Any individual or corporation making over 10 million dollars a year ought to be happy to pay 40% in federal income taxes in order to protect the political stability in the nation that allows you to earn such income.
Posted by: Neslon Swanberg | September 17, 2011, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLANT IDEA. I WONDER HOW MUCH MORE REVENUE THIS WILL PROVIDE OUR GOVERNMENT?
Posted by: economystic extraordinaire | September 17, 2011, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
The tax code was never intended to be used as a political weapon, which is how Obama is using it. He knows that it will raise very little of the money he needs for his obscene spending, but the “class card” works very well with those who are ill-informed. The wealthy already pay an inordinate amount of the tax burden. If he wanted to really do something beneficial, he would tax those who are not paying anything at all.
Posted by: MediaMan | September 17, 2011, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
This is why there is so much uncertainty…Obama repeatedly threatens wealthy people. Poor people don’t pay taxes or hire anybody. Everybody already knows that the top 1/4 pay all the taxes already.
Obama never decided to raise taxes on the rich when the Dems held power in the House and Senate for 2 years so why did he decide to roll this out now? Same reason he says “jobs right now”. He only wants to save Obama’s job.
Never mind that these CEO’s got richer under the Dems in the past 3 years or that Obama’s buddy at GE didn’t pay any tax. Never mind that Obama made a billion himself from green pork kickbacks like Solyndra. How stupid is America to keep on believing these crooked messages?
Posted by: Bigonza | September 17, 2011, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
Milk Money for the Kiddies……….not that it wouldn`t help……..BRING OURS JOBS BACK HOME>>>>>>>>>>>>>MILLIONS OF THEM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GOOD PAYING JOBS PAY TAXES>>>>>>>>AND TAXES RUN A NATION>>>>>>>THEY TAKE CARE OF THE ELDERLY WHO BUILT THIS GREAT NATION WITH SWEAT AND BLOOD>>>>>>>GENERATION AFTER GENERATION>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I hope this march on Wall Street doesn`t end there!
Posted by: NewUnion | September 18, 2011, 12:03 am 12:03 am
“He will not be specific in terms of rates, but officials said such a tax would affect fewer than 450,000 taxpayers, or 0.3 percent.”
Once again.. no specifics or details. The guy is deceptive, shady, and disingenuous. No wonder people who voted for him are leaving in huge numbers.
And for the record, that higher tax on ‘millionaires and billionaires’ (total crock of BS that anyone making 200k a year is automatically a millionaire) will simply flow downhill and affect ALL the middle and lower class. You can teach and show and demonstrate through history with these academic bubble ideologues, but they just don’t get it.
Posted by: commonsense247 | September 18, 2011, 12:26 am 12:26 am
Class warfare AS USUAL with Democrats!!! —– How about a “everyone pays something” rule…. why should 45% of taxpayers pay NO income tax??? — Shouldn’t most Americans pay SOMETHING?
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | September 18, 2011, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Bush tax cuts for the wealthy did NOTHING for the country but put it on the path to ruin.
Folks claiming that 45% don’t pay income tax don’t know what they are talking about. There ARE state income taxes paid along with other taxes. But mostly this includes Seniors and the poor.
Class warfare? The GOP has been waging class warfare for DECADES. Wealth disparity is at it’s highest since the 1920s.
Posted by: BoboMcStevens | September 18, 2011, 1:04 am 1:04 am
A new report by the Congressional Budget Office undermines President Obama’s constant refrain that the “rich” are paying less than their share of federal taxes and that the middle class is over burdened. The report, Average Federal Tax Rates in 2007, shows that the wealthiest 20 percent of households earned 55.9 percent of all income but paid 86 percent of federal income taxes and 68.9 percent of all federal taxes.
By contrast, every other income group earned a greater share of income than their share of the tax burden. For example, the lowest earning households – those with an average pre-tax income of $18,400 – earned 4 percent of the nation’s income but paid 0.8 percent of all federal taxes. Those in the middle income group – with an average pre-tax income of $64,500 – earned 13.1 percent of the income but paid 9.2 percent of all federal taxes. Even households in the fourth quintile – with an average pre-tax income of $94,100 – earned 19.3 percent of the income but paid 16.5 percent of all federal taxes.
It is the share of income earned by the top 1 percent of households – with an average pre-tax income of $264,700 – who Obama is targeting for higher taxes. Without question, their share of the nation’s tax burden has never been higher.
Since 1979, the top 1 percent’s share of income has grown from 9.3 percent to 19.4 percent, more than double. However, their share of income taxes more than doubled, from 18.3 percent to 39.5 percent, while their share of the total tax burden almost doubled from 15.4 percent to 28.1 percent.
Clearly illustrated is how tied to the economy are the rich’s incomes and how tied to the rich’s fortunes are federal revenues. The recessions of 1981, 1991, and 2001 depressed the incomes of the top 1 percent and so too their tax payments to Uncle Sam. While some of the drop off in tax collections from the top 1 percent after 2001 can be attributed to the Bush tax cuts, the economy was the main driver. When the economy recovered beginning in 2003, so too did the top 1 percent’s income and their tax payments.
Posted by: JamesCy | September 18, 2011, 1:23 am 1:23 am
@WELLLETSBHONESTHERE – “Excellent!!! About time! Bette they pay back the money they cost us!!! The tax cuts to the wealthy over Bush’s time has cost us 3 TRILLION!!!! 3 TRILLION of this debt is their tax cuts ,which gave us NO JOBS!!! THEY should pay that back!! NOT us!”
Maybe you don’t know, but the MAJORITY of those Bush tax cuts were enjoyed by the “non-rich” (those making <250K). The "rich" received about $800B in benefit, while the rest of use received about $3400B (or $3.4T) in benefits. I know that doesn't play into your 'blame the rich' rant, but oh well.
Posted by: Harlon Katz | September 18, 2011, 1:24 am 1:24 am
@BOBOMCSTEVENS – So folks pay “state” sales taxes, all that means is that they are taking those taxes from the feds as those taxes are deductible – in fact, it may even be shifting federal funds to the states depending on how much they pay.
It would be “fair” to make state taxes completely NON-DEDUCTIBLE. If you choose to live in a high tax state for the “benefits” – great – YOU PAY FOR IT. If you choose to live in a state that just basically taxes visitors (ie: FL), and can live with the lower services – great again for YOU.
The only federal taxes that “everyone”, or at least those that work, pay are FICA/Medicare. Sales taxes are “local”, property taxes are “local”, state / county / city income taxes are all “local” and based upon where people choose to live and provide “local” services. They should NOT be part of the whole FEDERAL INCOME TAX debate.
Posted by: Harlon Katz | September 18, 2011, 1:30 am 1:30 am
@Harlon – I responded to the person who claimed that 45% don’t pay “income taxes”. He did NOT explicitly mention FEDERAL. It is likely they still pay STATE income taxes, not just sales tax.
Posted by: BoboMcStevens | September 18, 2011, 1:40 am 1:40 am
If you make more money you pay more taxes, that seems pretty logical to me. Why should you get a break and pay 17% on your dollar earned while someone else has to pay 28% on their dollar earned? This country needs a flat tax rate and then breaks for the small and med size business and a break for those dollars that are used as venture capital. No transaction pusher on wall street deserves a break in the hopes that they will create a job, that is just plain stupid.
Posted by: overandover | September 18, 2011, 1:56 am 1:56 am
Our tax system sucks. Do you think there may be some people in that 45% that pay no taxes that should be paying and are very wealthy? Just like there are corporations that pay no taxes there are wealthy people that pay none too. We need a flat rate on dollars earned and then give those that make investments a break on the investment money.
Posted by: overandover | September 18, 2011, 2:02 am 2:02 am
This is a no-brainer, it’s clear the wealthiest have been given too many concessions from the Bush tax cuts. Return the tax rates to their pre-Bush levels, which is actually low by historical standards. The economic benefit from the Bush tax cuts is not real for the vast majority of us.
And all of those working-class GOP-voting folks out there, it’s time to wake up and realize how you’re being manipulated, to the benefit of the few. The GOP uses religious overtones to make it’s economic manipulations seem ‘righteous’, when in fact they’re just trying to cheat the average American.
Progressive tax schemes are common sense, whereas cutting tax rates for the rich while increasing the federal expenditures to pay for the GOP war in Iraq is stupidity, and certainly unethical (read “immoral”, if you’re not clear what ethics are). Now we’re left with generations of debt due to the unethical decisions of the previous administration.
Posted by: simplyobvious | September 18, 2011, 2:05 am 2:05 am
Sometimes I think Republicans are economically illiterate. Do you want to know who the job creators are, folks? They are the customers! Sure, millionaires and billionaires spend money and you need capital at the onset for a startup, but when money is concentrated, it doesn’t increase aggregate demand to the extent it does when there’s a growing middle class with money to spend. On top of there’s demographics, following the baby boomers, the youngest of whom are moving into their fifties, we have a smaller number of people at their peak spending age. We can’t be cutting them off further. Pass Obama’s job plan, the provisions of which the majority of Americans support, and support the Buffet tax. Roughly 70% of Americans support reducing the deficit through a reasonable balance of increased revenues and spending cuts.
Posted by: Kimberly | September 18, 2011, 2:07 am 2:07 am
This is a no-brainer, it’s clear the wealthiest have been given too many concessions from the Bush tax cuts. Return the tax rates to their pre-Bush levels, which is actually low by historical standards. The economic benefit from the Bush tax cuts is not real for the vast majority of us.
And all of those working-class GOP-voting folks out there, it’s time to wake up and realize how you’re being manipulated, to the benefit of the few. The GOP uses religious overtones to make it’s economic manipulations seem ‘righteous’, when in fact they’re just trying to cheat the average American.
Progressive tax schemes are common sense, whereas cutting tax rates for the rich while increasing the federal expenditures to pay for the GOP war in Iraq is stupidity, and certainly unethical (read “immoral”, if you’re not clear what ethics are). Now we’re left with generations of debt due to the unethical decisions of the previous administration.
Posted by: simplyobvious | September 18, 2011, 2:05 am 2:05 am
I agree. I also read that a recent study of 54 notions shows that people who live in countries with progressive taxation are happier. “The more progressive the tax policy is, the happier the citizens are,” says University of Virginia psychologist Shigehiro Oishi, summarizing the findings, which will be published in Psychological Science.
Posted by: Kimberly | September 18, 2011, 2:10 am 2:10 am
Well, Obama is just blowing smoke about little things because he won’t address the real issues as to why people don’t have jobs and as to why people are losing their homes or are underwater. Yes, he wants to make a few “rich” people pay more – a particular obsession of his. Is that addressing the problem of unemployment and the housing mess? No! Obama wants to flex his muscle on issues that really don’t help much. Does he really believe we are all that stupid?
Posted by: JCal | September 18, 2011, 2:13 am 2:13 am
It never ceases to amaze me how many don’t get the bigger the income the more they’re hiding income. Tax the stuff they can’t hide.
Posted by: ATTITUDE | September 18, 2011, 2:17 am 2:17 am
And Buffett – well – - he is a fool and so full of himself that non one takes the man seriously. “Real” millionaires, etc. don’t pay as little as he pays. Perhaps he should volunteer to go to jail? I guess it’s not worth the cost of throwing an 80 year old fool in jail. Better yet, why doesn’t Buffett go out and take all his tax savings and go hire people? Why doesn’t he bail out some underwater or foreclosed homeowners? It’s just hype – he likes the sound of his own voice. Just another fool who will say anything instead of fixing the real problem.
Posted by: JCal | September 18, 2011, 2:19 am 2:19 am
PRESIDENT Obama. Yes, that’s right, PRESIDENT Obama, no matter how much it hurts it’s PRESIDENT Obama. Not “Mr.” Obama. He was elected PRESIDENT, by the people of the United States of America, legally, under the constitution of the United States America. He is our PRESIDENT. He is not “one of them”, not a secret Muslim pushing the world to a Calaphate, not born in Kenya and doesn’t “pal around with terrorists”. He is the legitimate PRESIDENT of the United States of America. Those who are calling him “Mr.” are not only ignorant, but blissfully unpatriotic (no matter how many guns you own, how many star spangled flags you have waving in front of your house, how many times you say “Constitution” or “Founding Fathers”, or how many verses you have memorized from the bible!). Even though President Bush was intellectually challenged and practically brought the country to it’s knees, we still called him President. Show some dam respect! What’s more, the reality is since PRESIDENT Obama took office, America has been coming back, albeit slowly and painfully. However, the USA would be booming again, the leader of the global recovery, if it were not for Republican obstructionism. 99% of people who live outside of the US know this (mostly because they don’t watch FOX). Unfortunately, may be only 50% of Americans know this. Sad really.
Posted by: Jose | September 18, 2011, 2:19 am 2:19 am
We know venture capital is going overseas. Bush already tried in 2004 by giving large corporations breaks to bring the money back to the USA, and it created no jobs. They sat on the money, they gave it to executives in bonuses, and to shareholders. So why would we try this again? Why would wealthy people take the risk in this economy either when they can go invest some place else with less risk. Seems we have some very deep structural systemic issues now, like being to expensive, no demand here, and trying to compete in a global economy?
Posted by: overandover | September 18, 2011, 2:22 am 2:22 am
“Those who are calling him “Mr.” are not only ignorant, but blissfully unpatriotic…” Not long ago this was addressed in some of the media because articles would use the term “Mr. Obama” when referring to the President. Apparently an accepted convention was to use the term “President Obama” as the initial reference and then “Mr. Obama” thereafter and was the same for Clinton and Bush during their adminstrations. Your repetitive use of the term “President” in the first few sentences shows just how quiclkly the term can seem overused. Then try writing five or six paragraphs in an article that frequently refer to “President.Obama” and see how stilted it sounds.
Posted by: Publius | September 18, 2011, 2:35 am 2:35 am
Thank you for your comment Publius, but I think you missed my point. I was intentionally trying to sound stilted. By the way, the comments that I was referring were not using the accepted conventional at all, rather they led with “Mr.” Obama. I have no problem with the convention so long as it is followed.
Posted by: Jose | September 18, 2011, 2:43 am 2:43 am
For all of you blaming the bush tax cuts, you do realize the gigantic cut for the “rich” was 4-5%, right? And that margin kicks in after around 400k…
So, u make a million a year, 5% of 600k is 30k extra. So millionaires pay 30k more each in taxes.
What is this going to raise about 10 – 20 B a year in taxes? What a joke. That’s only a few Solyndras.
This is class warfare, straight up.
Posted by: Steven | September 18, 2011, 3:37 am 3:37 am
oh such suffering the rich will have to endure now they have to pay a fair tax those poor things can you imagine only three glasses of champaign a day what a disaster and only five cars to drive poor things.
Posted by: bob | September 18, 2011, 4:53 am 4:53 am
Class warfare is continuing tax policies that DIRECTLY increase the income disparity, the greatest it’s been since the 1920′s.
Republicans like to claim the Democrats are waging class warfare with progressive tax policies but it’s the other way around. Look at our GINI index, one of the worst found in all of the first world nations! Republicans have been waging class warfare for decades.
Posted by: BoboMcStevens | September 18, 2011, 5:14 am 5:14 am
Tax the rich more? Makes good politics to get the “little peoples” vote, but economically speaking doesn’t mean squat except possibly to encourage those with the bucks to look for greener pastures.
Posted by: Tom Barnow | September 18, 2011, 6:31 am 6:31 am
I guess he finally figured out the democratic voters are outraged and aren’t going to vote for him just because he’s running around with a “D” behind his name.
Posted by: whatever | September 18, 2011, 7:07 am 7:07 am
I’m sure bonehead will draw another line in the sand…..
Posted by: Cachuw | September 18, 2011, 7:13 am 7:13 am
@JamesCy – Thank you for some real statistics and FACT. There is so much opinion and no support in all of these comments. It is sometimes hard to understand economic principles especially since they are not taught in schools. I find it very “interesting” that all of the “tax the rich” people have not even attempted to comment on your posts. The logical appreciate your intellectual approach and reasoning.
Posted by: Letssticktofacts | September 18, 2011, 7:41 am 7:41 am
“Bush tax cuts for the wealthy did NOTHING for the country but put it on the path to ruin. Folks claiming that 45% don’t pay income tax don’t know what they are talking about. There ARE state income taxes paid along with other taxes. But mostly this includes Seniors and the poor.”
Posted by: BoboMcStevens | September 18, 2011, 1:04 am 1:04 am
With Democratic majorities in Congress in December, Obama RENEWED the Bush tax cuts. He could have vetoed them, but he didn’t. He knew that not passing the cuts would hurt the economy. He just vilified them to placate his sycophants. And while he duped you, he took advantage of those tax cuts himself, saving $100,000. He knew you’d cover for him. And you did. Why aren’t you complaining that his tax rate is a paltry 27%? Speaking of greed, he made $1.7 million and his entire lifestyle is supported by taxpayers. Why hasn’t he returned the money to the IRS? HE DOESN’T NEED IT. And he continues to play you for a fool while getting wealthier and wealthier.
As for non-federal income tax payers, it’s not 45%, it’s 51%. Federal income taxes pay for our interstate highways. Everyone uses them and everyone needs to pay for them. Including you. No exceptions. No more freeloading!
“Everybody has got to make some sacrifices, everybody’s gotta take a haircut.” – President Barack Obama, April 5, 2011
Did you hear that? Everybody!
Posted by: Chuck | September 18, 2011, 7:53 am 7:53 am
The President once again doesn’t understand what the unintended consequences of his proposal will be! This will be another “green Jobs” type bankrupt approach!!! The “rich” excess earnings is what is invested into creating jobs!
Posted by: Voice_Reason | September 18, 2011, 7:55 am 7:55 am
The above posts saying if you tax the rich more it will hurt jobs…..where are they now…..they have the tax breaks and we have extremely high unemployment. The rich are just pocketing their money not creating jobs with the Bush tax breaks. I am sorry if I have to pay 31% tax rate why does the rich think they should pay less. Yes Buffett is right it is time for the .3% to start paying their fair shair….not more and definitely not less like they have it now. I think the whole tax code should be flushed down the toilet and go to a flat tax system. Republicans like less government…..they should go for this you can downsize the IRS to a 1/4th the size it is today.
Posted by: realist | September 18, 2011, 7:56 am 7:56 am
“The collective buying power of the middle class and the poor OVERWHELMINGLY is the engine that drives this economy.”
Posted by: WellLetsBHonestHere | September 17, 2011, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
Wrong!
The top 10% pay over 70% of all federal income taxes. The top 5% are responsible for 40% of all consumer spending. The top 10% are responsible for 50% of all consumer spending. This spending keeps a lot of people employed. Without the wealthy, our consumer-driven economy would implode.
So next time you think about punishing the wealthy, be careful what you wish for because it will negatively impact the lives of the poor and middle class you purport to defend.
Posted by: Chuck | September 18, 2011, 7:59 am 7:59 am
Taxing the rich obscures a basic point.
We are underwater, upside-down, on where income tax money goes to be divied up, and how much of it goes.
The bulk of everyone’s income tax goes to the fed government, the least to local, with state-level income tax in between.
It should be the other way around. The farther your income tax money goes away from you geographically the easier it is to milk, bilk, redistribute, and bang the drum for more. And the closer it stays to you the less opportunity to milk, bilk, redistribute, and bang the drum for more.
Some redistribution is warranted. I said some. Not wholesale big-time swindling like floating GM, bailing out TBTF banks, loaning money to Solyndra, propping up Karzai in Afghanistan, shifting money from state to state to pay public school teachers, etc.
But that redistribution mechanism should rise no further than the state level, where we can’t be put on the hook to float GM, bail out TBTF banks, loan money to Solyndra, prop up Karzai in Afghanistan, enable the Libyan civil war, and send money out of state to pay democrat-voting public school teachers, police, and firefighters in other states — the mega swindles.
When penny-any con artists and snake oil salesman inevitably have to skip town, they take the money with them. The professional class of such learned that the best way is to do such from a distance in the first place.
So now mega swindler Obama is commanding a trade from afar: Temporary one-year or sixteen-month tax cuts for permanent tax increases afterwards. That’s like someone offering to open up a window so you can stick your head out to get some fresh air then have that someone later slam the same window down on your neck.
Cry about Boehner and the republicans all you want. Democrats in the House and Senate will run from that, to try and live another day. They’re cutting the Obama anchor.
Posted by: dom youngross | September 18, 2011, 8:03 am 8:03 am
“The rich are just pocketing their money not creating jobs with the Bush tax breaks. I am sorry if I have to pay 31% tax rate why does the rich think they should pay less.”
Posted by: realist | September 18, 2011, 7:56 am 7:56 am
Your EFFECTIVE tax rate is NOT 31% after all exemptions and deductions. It’s much, much lower than that. You’re not paying anywhere close to the taxes you should for the benefits you receive. Stop whining about the wealthy. The top 10% pay over 70% of all federal income taxes. They’re subsidizing your lifestyle. If they didn’t, you’d be a lot poorer.
Posted by: Chuck | September 18, 2011, 8:08 am 8:08 am
“I think you are wrong on your percent of who is paying what. Where did you get your stats from?”
Posted by: realist | September 18, 2011, 8:05 am 8:05 am
The IRS and Moody Analytics. If you don’t like their stats, take it up with them. Just because the numbers don’t jibe with your worldview doesn’t mean they’re wrong. It means you’ve been duped by propaganda.
Posted by: Chuck | September 18, 2011, 8:13 am 8:13 am
Posted by: realist | September 18, 2011, 8:10 am 8:10 am
You haven’t posted a factual rebuttal yet.
Posted by: Chuck | September 18, 2011, 8:14 am 8:14 am
My god! They’re going to have to haul Obama out of the White House in a STRAIGHT JACKET!!! He’s totally losing it. He just can’t get off the ‘Raise Taxes’ thing!
Posted by: Dave | September 18, 2011, 8:34 am 8:34 am
How about the Ron Paul rule where everybody pays the same rate?
Posted by: wantingbalance | September 18, 2011, 8:54 am 8:54 am
Problem is, the wealthy are NOT creating jobs…they take their tax cuts, and still slash jobs to make that bottom line better for them. So cutting taxes does not work anyway. Perhaps UNLESS they start creating LOTS of jobs here, THEN tax the hades out of them. You don’t provide new jobs…you have to pay the piper.
Posted by: Jeanne | September 18, 2011, 8:58 am 8:58 am
This discussion is moot, as the Republicans in Congress will block this like they block everything the president proposes. Next article, please. Move along people, nothing to see here……………..
Posted by: Searambler | September 18, 2011, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Chuck wrote, “The top 10% pay over 70% of all federal income taxes. The top 5% are responsible for 40% of all consumer spending. The top 10% are responsible for 50% of all consumer spending. This spending keeps a lot of people employed. Without the wealthy, our consumer-driven economy would implode. So next time you think about punishing the wealthy, be careful what you wish for because it will negatively impact the lives of the poor and middle class you purport to defend.”
Found this article at the WSJ relating to what you said:
“The data may be a further sign that the U.S. is becoming a Plutonomy–an economy dependent on the spending and investing of the wealthy. And Plutonomies are far less stable than economies built on more evenly distributed income and mass consumption. “I don’t think it’s healthy for the economy to be so dependent on the top 2% of the income distribution,” Mr. Zandi said. (Mark Zandi is the chief economist for Moody’s Analytics). He added that, “In the near term it highlights the fragility of the recovery.” In fact, the recent spending of the wealthy may be unsustainable. Their savings rate has gone from more than 26% in 2008 to a negative 7% in the first quarter of 2010, according to the Moody’s Analytics data. They still have lots of savings. But the massive draw on that in the past two years is unlikely to continue at the same pace. “I think we’re already seeing a slowdown in spending by this group,” Mr. Zandi says. And that should be a worry for all of us.”
Posted by: Searambler | September 18, 2011, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Just put in the flat tax and be done with all this bs. By the way, Warren, hope your “Economic Forum” as a fund raiser for OB goes well. At $10,000/plate I would assume you can thank the wealthy if your efforts are a success. Also, have you written a check to DC yet to make up for the disgrace you feel about the wealthy not paying their fair share? You would be wise to listen to Mark Cuban’s comments.
Posted by: Salty | September 18, 2011, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Wow..Joke..hard-hitting stuff there. You should rename this blog “Political Tug Job”. You seemed to have forgotten to mention that the model for this epynomous idiocy owes about $1 billion in back taxes.
You’ve pretty much become a laughingstock, Joke. Maybe you should try something you’re actually good at.
Posted by: Publius the Punk | September 18, 2011, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Does anyone realize that Warren Buffet does not pay income taxes. He pays capitol gains taxes. This is all a political play on words. If we want everyone to pay the same percentage then we must include the 50% that don’t pay anything. Also do you not realize that the people who are accused of not paying their fair share are the same people most americans work for. That’s right—raise their taxes and watch un-employment go even higher.
Posted by: mambawamba | September 18, 2011, 9:49 am 9:49 am
AMERICAN VOTERS are responsible for the mess that we’re in. They put Republicans back into control last November. So now, important changes, like letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire, will never happen. When will VOTERS ever learn??? Republican trickle-down economics has NEVER worked. Plus, we can’t have costly wars with LESS tax revenue to support them.
Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2011, 10:36 am 10:36 am
“Problem is, the wealthy are NOT creating jobs…”
Posted by: Jeanne | September 18, 2011, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Most jobs are created by small business owners. Go start a new business and pay your employees a living wage with generous benefits. Millions of us already do it. Who’s stopping you?
Posted by: Chuck | September 18, 2011, 11:06 am 11:06 am
The majority of Americans have been subsidizing the rich for quite some time. It’s now pay back time. I say, “Let’s go for it.”
Posted by: newz4i | September 18, 2011, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Is YOUR life really going to change or improve by taxing the rich a few points? Didn’t think so.
And the “rich” don’t use loopholes to pay a lower rate. Everyone does. They’re called deductions ( even the standard deduction), tax credits, etc… So while you say the rich only pay 17%, the truth is that u may only be paying 9%because of the loopholes. If loopholes are so bad, don’t write off the income of your house.
The 50% of the population who doesn’t pay anything needs to pay their fair share. They use the same services as the rich ( actually more). And they don’t pay squat.
Hey Obama, why don’t u start the millionaire tax hike with Hollywood? Drop the tax credits for filming in locations, and make people in the entertainment industry pay 75% of their earnings in taxes. 30 mil to act in a movie? Ridiculous. If ladyGaga made 100 mil last year, I’m sure she can live on 10 mil.
Hollywood supports Obamas ideas. Start with them.
Posted by: Steve | September 18, 2011, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Why not make it complete. What about everybody making the same pay – CEO to mailboy.
Posted by: young_voter | September 18, 2011, 11:20 am 11:20 am
ABC states that an employee pays more taxes then him, but ABC forgets to state that Buffett ‘s income is from capital gains and the employees is not. They also forget to tell you he has lawyers working constantly to make sure he doesn’t pay. So far the President has been 100 percent wrong on all he has done to help make jobs in America.
Posted by: Freedom | September 18, 2011, 11:28 am 11:28 am
They’re subsidizing your lifestyle. If they didn’t, you’d be a lot poorer
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That is absolute baloney. The grotesque concentration of wealth at the top which Republicans foment and support is draining the buying power of working class Americans.
Posted by: skip | September 18, 2011, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Posted by: skip | September 18, 2011, 11:38 am 11:38 am
It’s absolute fact, Skip. And it’s straight from the IRS. Truth is often ugly to those living in bubbles.
Posted by: Chuck | September 18, 2011, 11:41 am 11:41 am
“The 50% of the population who doesn’t pay anything needs to pay their fair share. They use the same services as the rich ( actually more). And they don’t pay squat.”
Posted by: Steve | September 18, 2011, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Absolute truth. Millions not only don’t pay squat, they receive “refundable tax credits” (i.e., welfare) over and above anything they do pay. They’re freeloaders.
Posted by: Chuck | September 18, 2011, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Buffet pays tax on capital gain which is considerable lower than tax on those of us who work for a living so for him to advocate that the rich should pay more is laughable, what he wants is everone pay more tax except HIM.
Posted by: Lizzie | September 18, 2011, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Barack will do anything to continue tax & spend. I really don’t care if Warren wants to pay more tax, problem is I know who’s next when Barack spends it.
Posted by: ray | September 18, 2011, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
If republicans have such an issues with the people paying no federal taxes I’d like to know why they weren’t fussing when Bush and the republicans upped that greatly in the early 2000′s.
Posted by: attitude | September 18, 2011, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
What a relief, relatively speaking, to find out this is just class-warfare screw-the-rich politics as usual, dedicated to that kindly old fox BUFFETT.
On first read I thought Mrs. Obama was proposing a BUFFET tax as part of her campaign to teach us all to eat according to her tastes.
Posted by: Oliver Shagnasty | September 18, 2011, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Leave those poor rich people alone!
Posted by: Charlie | September 18, 2011, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
“The 50% of the population who doesn’t pay anything needs to pay their fair share. They use the same services as the rich ( actually more). And they don’t pay squat.”
Posted by: Steve | September 18, 2011, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Absolute truth. Millions not only don’t pay squat, they receive “refundable tax credits” (i.e., welfare) over and above anything they do pay. They’re freeloaders.
Posted by: Chuck | September 18, 2011, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Hogwash. Income tax makes up only 45% of government revenues. Payroll taxes make up 36% of government revenues and close to 90% of Americans pay payroll taxes – and not they aren’t refunded. Americans from all income groups pay gasoline taxes, alcohol taxes, cigarette taxes, and frequently state taxes.
The bogus line that 50% of Americans pay nothing is just a right wing lie. Shameful creeps.
Posted by: Ben | September 18, 2011, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
During the 1990s, about 24 percent of filers had no income tax liability, but this number took a big jump during the George W. Bush administration as Republicans added a large child credit to the tax code. The percentage of filers with no income tax liability rose to 36.3 percent in 2008, from 25.2 percent in 2000.
Posted by: attitude | September 18, 2011, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
People keep arguing that the rich should pay their “fair share”, but never define what their “fair share” is and why it is “fair”. Based on the percentage of total AGI earned and percentage of total tax revenue collected, the percentage of total tax revenue collected exceeds the percentage of the total AGI earned by the top 10%, whereas the percentage of total tax revenue collected is far less than the percentage of total AGI for the bottom 50%. So what is a “fair share” and by what measure is it “fair”?
Posted by: Publius | September 18, 2011, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
We’ve had a progressive system since we began. It’s the top of the 10% that are getting absurdly low rates. Lower than mine.
Posted by: attitude | September 18, 2011, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
So what is a “fair share” and by what measure is it “fair”?
Posted by: Publius | September 18, 2011, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
The top 1% wealthy Americans own as much as all of the wealth of the bottom 90% combined. The rich basically own everything. Who else are you going to tax?
The top 1% wealthy Americans own as much as all of the wealth of the bottom 90% combined. If you took away half of everything the bottom 50% own – took away half of EVERYTHING they own – it wouldn’t make up the amount of money from taxing the top percentiles 3%.
Posted by: Ben | September 18, 2011, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Chuck said some misleading things like:
“With Democratic majorities in Congress in December, Obama RENEWED the Bush tax cuts.”
That’s because the GOP held the UNEMPLOYMENT bill hostage UNLESS the Bush tax cuts were renewed. He wanted those to end.
You’re entitled to your opinion but not what you call ‘facts’
Repealing the Bush tax cuts is NOT about putting more money directly into the hands of the poor, it’s about paying down our debt, something those pesky tax cuts DIRECTLY contributed to.
Posted by: BoboMcStevens | September 18, 2011, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
If good old “honest Abe” Warren Buffet continues to spout off about millionaires paying higher taxes, why doesn’t his company pay what it currently owes? Warren Buffett’s company, Berkshire Hathaway admits it owes back taxes dating back to 2002. “We anticipate that we will resolve all adjustments proposed by the US Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) for the 2002 through 2004 tax years … within the next 12 months,” the firm’s annual report says. It also cites outstanding tax issues for 2005 through 2009. Why does Buffet continue to direct his lawyers to spar with the IRS? Why doesn’t he just dig into his billionaire change purse and pony up what he already owes the American people? Want to know why? Because he is a “do as I say, not as I do hypocrite.”
Posted by: NDMOMx2 | September 18, 2011, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Ben- the payroll taxes that everybody has to pay go towards social security and the medi programs. Are you actually saying that people who are going to partake in those programs shouldn’t have to contribute? And those bottom 50% are the people that are going to need it most.
In terms of sales tax, those are consumption taxes. If the cig taxes are too high for the poor, then don’t smoke….
Posted by: Steve | September 18, 2011, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Full scale class warfare as a campaign tactic. This is a new one and won’t work but you have to give the guy credit …he is going to go down fighting. I predict he will lose 45 states.
Posted by: jaygem | September 18, 2011, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Posted by: Steve | September 18, 2011, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Yeah, like I said, the line that the bottom 50% contributes nothing is a complete lie.
Posted by: Ben | September 18, 2011, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Republicans call for corporate tax breaks and tax breaks for the rich almost every day. It’s ironic how they sit on their hands when it comes to small business and middle class tax breaks. Americans better start paying close attention to who’s on the American peoples side and who’s only on the side of multi-national corporations. When GOP politicians inject the term “the American people”, they are only talking about corporate America. They fight against employee rights, employee benefits and anything that may help employees and mom and pop businesses. They don’t care about true small business otherwise they would have voted for the bill in 2010 that was a loan bill specifically FOR SMALL BUSINESS!! They ALL voted against it! Don’t you get it?? The GOP are in the pockets of people like the Koch brothers and the rich. Joe the plumber need not apply!!
Posted by: dan | September 10, 2011, 12:38 am 12:38 am
*****
Posted by: Wally | September 18, 2011, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
More misleading extreme left-wing liberal drivel. I’m all for raising taxes on the rich, but at the same time Obama needs to start telling the truth about how little that will help. Buffett’s proposal will close the deficit by less than 10%. Over 90% of the problem would still remain. Only those challenged by arithmetic can’t figure this out.
Don’t believe it? Buffett himself listed all the numbers you need to figure this out except one – Obama’s deficit is now 1,500 billion dollars per year.
How much money did the 400 richest people in the US make last year? $90 billion. How much did everyone who earns more than $10,000,000 per year make (including the 400 richest)? About $190 billion. How much did everyone who earned more than $1,000,000 make (including the previous two categories)? About $500 billion. If we raised taxes on them by 10% how much money would be raised out of the $1,500 billion that we need? Duh. About $50 billion. That’s 3% of the problem. Let’s raise taxes on the rich by 20%. $100 billion. How about raising taxes on them by 30% – now the rich would be paying well over 50% in total. That’s $150 billion, 10% of Obama’s problem. The rich simply don’t make enough money to pay down the deficit even if we taxed them at 100%, not even close. Anyone who says otherwise, including Obama, is simply lying.
Where is Obama going to get the rest of the $1,300+ billion that he needs?
Here’s a clue – watch Obama’s left hand very carefully while he’s drawing attention to his right hand going into the pockets of the rich. Obama’s left hand is headed into YOUR pocket.
Posted by: meab | September 18, 2011, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Posted by: Steve | September 18, 2011, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Maybe you missed the point.
Income tax makes up only 45% of government revenues. Payroll taxes make up 36% of government revenues and close to 90% of Americans pay payroll taxes – and not they aren’t refunded. Americans from all income groups pay gasoline taxes, alcohol taxes, cigarette taxes, and frequently state taxes.
The bogus line that 50% of Americans pay nothing is just a right wing lie. Shameful creeps.
Posted by: Ben | September 18, 2011, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
Oh yes, and sales taxes . . .
Posted by: Ben | September 18, 2011, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Hey, maybe we can gather up all the capitalists, put a gold “C” on them and make them work in concentration camps. Then we can take their wealth to fund our wars and social programs? Heil Obama and his brownshirt liberals! You laugh, but read what some of these liberal Nazis say on th blogs and think about it. Think hard America before they report you on their Nazi website….
Posted by: Jon | September 18, 2011, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
Buffett’s proposal will close the deficit by less than 10%.
Posted by: meab | September 18, 2011, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Not a bad start – we’ll take it.
The real reason there is such a huge deficit is the 8 or 9 million jobs (and associated taxes) lost under the Bush economic collapse, coupled with the Bush tax cuts and the unpaid for wars, etc. This is what exploded the deficit.
Posted by: Ben | September 18, 2011, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
“Why not make it complete. What about everybody making the same pay – CEO to mailboy.” – young_voter
Didn’t they try that in that economic dynamo called Cuba?
Posted by: Noz | September 18, 2011, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Interessting, I made a comment before that seems to have disappeared….It was about how Warren Buffet continues to spout off about millionaires paying higher taxes, why doesn’t his company pay what it currently owes? Warren Buffett’s company, Berkshire Hathaway admits it owes back taxes dating back to 2002. “We anticipate that we will resolve all adjustments proposed by the US Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) for the 2002 through 2004 tax years … within the next 12 months,” the firm’s annual report says. It also cites outstanding tax issues for 2005 through 2009. Why does Buffet continue to direct his lawyers to spar with the IRS? Why doesn’t he just dig into his billionaire change purse and pony up what he already owes the American people? Want to know why? Because he is a “do as I say, not as I do hypocrite.”
Posted by: NDMOMx2 | September 18, 2011, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
“The real reason there is such a huge deficit is the 8 or 9 million jobs (and associated taxes) lost under the Bush economic collapse, coupled with the Bush tax cuts and the unpaid for wars, etc. This is what exploded the deficit.” – Ben
Ben, you forgot to mention the Massive Adolescent Uber-Spending.
Remember that NoBo increased the size of government during the Clinton initiated Bush nurtured economic collapse.
Not a very responsible thing to do but that’s our Barry.
Most people are aware of the fact that the federal government has been over spending for quite a long time.
Posted by: Noz | September 18, 2011, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
According to the White House official, the Buffett Rule would impact only 0.3% of taxpayers — fewer than 450,000 individuals.
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Our Greatest Smartest Clueless Leader finally is going to do something in his remaining term: Tax the hell out of Prez 0′s good friend Buffett. What the world was he doing in the past 3 years?! Buffett keeps complaining he did not pay enough taxes, and our GSCL bought it. Now, he should tax Buffett 99.9% of all his earnings over $100,000.
See if he and our GSCL still complain, and if our GSCL still gets enough donations for his re-election.
Posted by: SA wet | September 18, 2011, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Folks blaming Obama for the deficit, please list out the programs that HE pushed through that have ALREADY been adding to the CURRENT deficit.
1> Iraq
2> Afghanistan
3> TARP
4> Medicare Part D <– This one will cost MORE than Obamacare
All of the above were Bush, things we still need to pay FOR YEARS.
Just because Obama stepped in doesn't mean he can make them go away instantly. Fact is that we're still paying for the Bush years.
Posted by: BoboMcStevens | September 18, 2011, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
I guess this means they won’t have to pay any taxes. Berkshire Hathaway is way behind in taxes aren’t they? What this Bozo doesn’t understand is that the capital gains tax is lower and the people making the capital gains keep investing in other companies or endeavors. It is so much more complicated than just “I pay half the tax my secretary does” like they want everyone to think. What is the difference in the richer people spending theorr money and the lower income people spending their money? It’s still getting spent.
Posted by: Rafe | September 18, 2011, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
What is the difference in the richer people spending theorr money and the lower income people spending their money?
Posted by: Rafe | September 18, 2011, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Hoarding . . .
Posted by: Peter | September 18, 2011, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Republicans call for corporate tax breaks and tax breaks for the rich almost every day. It’s ironic how they sit on their hands when it comes to small business and middle class tax breaks. Americans better start paying close attention to who’s on the American peoples side and who’s only on the side of multi-national corporations. When GOP politicians inject the term “the American people”, they are only talking about corporate America. They fight against employee rights, employee benefits and anything that may help employees and mom and pop businesses. They don’t care about true small business otherwise they would have voted for the bill in 2010 that was a loan bill specifically FOR SMALL BUSINESS!! They ALL voted against it! Don’t you get it?? The GOP are in the pockets of people like the Koch brothers and the rich. Joe the plumber need not apply!!
Posted by: dan | September 10, 2011, 12:38 am 12:38 am
*****
Posted by: Wally | September 18, 2011, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Excellent post.
Posted by: Peter | September 18, 2011, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Those slamming Warren Buffet should consider that he’s committed 99% of his wealth to philanthropy. He and many other wealthy people have behaved responsibly and generously in this regard: refer to “givingpledgeorg” for more info.
He’s not being a hypocrite, but I’d be willing to bet there are many wealthy GOP cronies who are hypocrites, given how the GOP message is crafted to manipulate conservative middle-class voters, using religious overtones to make it appear their economic stances are ‘righteous’.
With regards to taxing the rich, we’ve always had a progressive tax structure. Returning to pre-Bush tax rates makes sense if you’re going to right the financial wrongs of the previous administration.
But we also need to look at the way the wealthy are using that wealth — such as investments that _actually_ promote American jobs — that should be rewarded. There’s plenty of tax code that creates loopholes to encourage certain activities (such as owning homes), and other code that is abused by the wealthiest — only they can afford to pay the tax experts to exploit these loopholes. The same is true for business tax code.
Part of the realignment of the code back to a progressive state should be closing those loopholes that are exploited almost entirely by wealthy individuals and by companies, with the exception of those few that actually promote investment in the USA.
Posted by: simplyobvious | September 18, 2011, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
didn’t obama take a $12,000.00 refund on his mega millions income this past year?
Posted by: grumpopolis | September 18, 2011, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
This is just a hypocritical argument increase taxes on rich will hinder job growth. I dont think rich people are idiots to invest for job growth and investment when they know they cannot get return on it in bad economy. Hence they rather save the money in safe boxes then invest. Just like the bank did when they got the stimulus money. Taxing is the only way out of this mess.
Posted by: jugnoo | September 18, 2011, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
yup, obama took every deduction he could and applied his refund to next year’s taxes. what a crock.
Posted by: grumpopolis | September 18, 2011, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
i’m sure someone will explain to me how obama’s jobbing the tax system with deductions is somehow different from all the “evil” rich people doing the same thing. this guy’s the epitome of the limousine liberal. phony baloney.
Posted by: grumpopolis | September 18, 2011, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Sure, Buffet has given some of his wealth to philanthropy…gee, I’ll .bet he gets buildings named after him and all sorts of kudos and tax benefits for his generosity. Now, explain to me exactly why he has his lawyers fighting to pay OWED Berkshire Hathaway back taxes to the IRS?????? They say they are going to settle up with the IRS…so why haven’t they already? WHY???? Because Warren Buffet is a hypocrite. That’s why. President Obama needs to find a new name for his rule….and I don’t recommend he use the name Jeffrey Immelt either. Wouldn’t be prudent, he’s a hypocrite too.
Posted by: NDMOMx2 | September 18, 2011, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Those slamming Warren Buffet should consider that he’s committed 99% of his wealth to philanthropy;
I don’t think people are slamming him but I do think that they are calling out questions when Warrens company is involved in fiending off the IRS for oweing taxes. In addition notice that Warren is donating his money to causes that he likes rather tham allowing the Government to grab it upon his death and simply fritter it away.
The fact of our countries demise is summed up in just a few words; The more we spend money that is borrowed or printed ,the poorer that we become as Americans.
Posted by: david | September 18, 2011, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
I think this is an interesting solution. As for all of you who say that people who cannot find jobs in their area should just move, be sensible. For starters if an individual owns a home, good luck selling it, and let’s hope they don’t have kids. Because if they do, I guess all of you would also just have them pull their children out of the only school environment that they are familiar with as well. So now we have two new problems: a home that can’t be sold and a child unhappy in a new school setting. In addition to everything else, why don’t you all have them put the dog to sleep before they move too?
Start using your brains people. I would like to see everyone stop complaining, stop talking about what someone else isn’t doing, and stop worrying about the rich. They pay people to worry about them so they don’t need your help in that department. Here’s an idea, if the republicans and the democrats don’t like this newest proposal then come up with another one. Frankly, in the end, I don’t care who comes up with a solution. As long as someone eventually comes up with one.
President Obama is doing the smartest thing possible; he is keeping the stream of ideas flowing. Any person who has any sense knows that to solve a problem you keep coming up with ideas, good or bad, and keep displaying these thoughts for the public to hear. Eventually one that works will be created and the problem will be solved. If everyone stops coming up with possible solutions, then we will never find one that works.
Posted by: Susan Pahmiyer | September 18, 2011, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
It’s about time. I’m tired of the GOP waging Class Warfare on the middle and lower classes of America. Keep up the fight President Obama. The GOP will use every scare tactic that they have in their bag of tricks to say that if taxes are raised on the rich to reduce our deficit like was done under Clinton that they’ll invest elsewhere…shipping our jobs overseas. Well haven’t they already done that regardless of tax rates? And where are all of the millions of jobs these so called job creators are supposed to be creating with their special tax breaks? Go back to the rates that worked so well in the Clinton era and use the money to help balance the budget and for upgrading our infrastructure and schools to effectively compete with china and the rest of the world
Posted by: Matt | September 18, 2011, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
How about some real tax reforms, Mr President, ones that would raise revenues fairly across the spectrum of America and bypasses divisive class baiting tactics that rev up your rabble rousing base. Let’s fix the tax system, not buy votes.
Posted by: pam | September 18, 2011, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
The economy we have now is a direct result of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Get it? The tax policy we have today is the same tax policy as when Bush enacted them. President Obama has not raised anyone’s taxes thus far and that’s the problem, isn’t it? Republicans want to cut funding and benefits for the most vulnerable in our country but are unwilling to increase taxes on millionaires who haven’t been paying the same tax rate as a middle class American? How is that?
Posted by: CESF | September 18, 2011, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
When is ABC going to report what a fraud Buffet and Obama are. Buffet is paid 100,000 a year in salary and this bill will not even affect him. He pays taxes on this money through his investment company at a lower rate. He is and has always been a bottom feeder looking to buy distressed companies that can not pay their taxes or continue in business because of being over regulated. He is a pathetic human being so it makes sense he partners himself with another person like himn the woman hating Obama.
Posted by: J.Herrera | September 18, 2011, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
J.HERRERA – Guess you didn’t even read Buffet’s article (or even this one) where he says to INCREASE taxes on him.
Posted by: BoboMcStevens | September 18, 2011, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Posted by: J.Herrera | September 18, 2011, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Sounds like class-envy and class-war there, J.
Posted by: Kimberly | September 18, 2011, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
When President Obama came up with the name for his new bill, did he fail to take into consideration that the person he’s naming it after (Warren Buffet) was recently found to owe millions in back-taxes from over 10 years ago? Not sure Buffet is the best person to name your bill after, even if he is the only wealthy person you can get to back it. To be honest, however, I don’t think it’s right for the wealthy to pay a lower percentage in taxes — I’m all in favor for a flat tax, in which everyone pays the same percentage. This would make the tax code so much simpler…the wealthy would still be paying more $$$, but it would not diminish their incentive (or anyone elses’, for that matter) from making more money. However, this has to be combined swith some serious thought to how to incentivize corporations to hire American workers, as opposed to outsourcing all the good jobs. We must level the playing field … can’t blame companies for opting to hire 4 or 5 Chinese workers for the same amount they would pay a single American; however, there needs to be legislation that will require any foreign workers to be given the same level of healthcare, insurance, etc., so that companies are not paying “slave” wages. In addition, there should be additional incentives for hiring American workers, and placing higher tariffs on imports.
Posted by: prm | September 18, 2011, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Sounds like class-envy and class-war there, J.
Posted by: Kimberly | September 18, 2011, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Exactly… no wait, not if you’re slamming wealthy *democrats* or the poor or raising taxes on the middle class.
Posted by: Paul Ryan | September 18, 2011, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Funny how Obama said that raising income taxes during an economy like this wasn’t the right/smart/prudent thing to do. NOW, all of a sudden, it makes sense to take more money out the pockets of the people who pay the most already? This has NOTHING to do with economics. It’s all about politics and optics. He’s got NO chance of getting the Republicans in the House to pass an income tax increase. Why would they? Why would any thinking person vote for an income tax increase during an economy like this. Voting no would just be following the sage advice of the Obamanator himself, would it not?
Posted by: s | September 18, 2011, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
I don’t want Mr. Buffet to pay more taxes, I just want him to tell Mr. Gates and Mr. Balmer to lower the price of Windows 7 and Windows Phone. Pay the same tax, but make less profit. Like the government, their Microsoft Office has become so thick and heavy that it slows down every computer that it is installed on.
Posted by: young_voter | September 18, 2011, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
“The royalists of the economic order have conceded that political freedom was the business of the government, but they have maintained that economic slavery was nobody’s business. They granted that the government could protect the citizen in his right to vote, but they denied that the government could do anything to protect the citizen in his right to work and his right to live.
Today we stand committed to the proposition that freedom is no half-and-half affair. If the average citizen is guaranteed equal opportunity in the polling place, he must have equal opportunity in the market place.
These economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power. Our allegiance to American institutions requires the overthrow of this kind of power. In vain they seek to hide behind the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the flag and the Constitution stand for. Now, as always, they stand for democracy, not tyranny; for freedom, not subjection; and against a dictatorship by mob rule and the over-privileged alike.
…government in a modern civilization has certain inescapable obligations to its citizens, among which are protection of the family and the home, the establishment of a democracy of opportunity, and aid to those overtaken by disaster.
But the resolute enemy within our gates is ever ready to beat down our words unless in greater courage we will fight for them.”
Posted by: Franklin D. | September 18, 2011, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
“President Obama to Propose Millionaire’s Tax Called ‘Buffett Rule’”
Should be called “Buffett’s Puppet”.
Posted by: Rafe | September 18, 2011, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Jeanne…the only jobs the “poor” have created are in the government operations designed to keep them poor. Argue as you will, America’s first rule was “no work, no food.” Understand that government has done all it can to make sure the jobs go away so that people depend more on the government (first rule of federal workplace survival) and little to actually free business up to create jobs. NAFTA is the best example there is. Go read Clinton’s comments during the signing ceremony. Every comment he made about opposition has come true…for the opposition. If you want government accountability, and I doubt you do, then make everyone pay something. A rich person gets no more out of the government, and likely less, than does a poor person. In the meantime, the middle will suffer greater losses than either the top or bottom end.
Posted by: wantingbalance | September 18, 2011, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Mr. Obama’s voter base isn’t fleeing… we’re in awe!
Posted by: Mary | September 18, 2011, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
This is just a hypocritical argument increase taxes on rich will hinder job growth. I dont think rich people are idiots to invest for job growth and investment when they know they cannot get return on it in bad economy. Hence they rather save the money in safe boxes then invest. Just like the bank did when they got the stimulus money. Taxing is the only way out of this mess.
Posted by: jugnoo | September 18, 2011, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
some truth in this
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Posted by: Ben | September 18, 2011, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
America’s first rule was NOT “No work, no food”. That was Walter Raleigh trying to get a bunch of exiled English gentlemen to survive harsh wilderness conditions for which they were completely unprepared. Way to take history out of context, RAFE !
Posted by: Mary | September 18, 2011, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Slanted misinformation – Buffet pays Capital Gains Taxes and his Secretary pays Income Taxes. 2 different types of taxes – ABC and obama are intentionally LYING to and misleading Americans…
Now, raising the Capital Gains taxes will definitely raise more tax money but it has been proven many times – IT WILL ALSO FORCE COMPANIES TO LOWER EMPLOYMENT…
Raising Capital Gains taxes will put Americans out of work..
Posted by: Randyj | September 18, 2011, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Posted by: Ben | September 18, 2011, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
That’s just what I’d expect a freeloader to say. It’s time you started paying your fair share.
“Everybody has got to make some sacrifices, everybody’s gotta take a haircut.” – President Barack Obama, April 5, 2011
Everybody. That includes you.
Posted by: Chuck | September 18, 2011, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Paul Ryan’s comments that asking millionaires to pay more taxes causes “class warfare and division” is just twisted logic.The fact they DON’T pay their fair share is what causes class welfare and division. Republicans don’t want taxes raised on corporate conglomerate and it wouldn’t be necessary if they would actually pay the 35-39% they’re supposed to instead of weasling out of it.Mitch McConnell’s comment “I think if Mr. Buffet is feeling guilty he should send a check to the IRS” is almost too pathetically childish to acknowledge. Obviously Mr. Buffet is the only adult in the billionaire room with a conscience
Posted by: D.O. | September 18, 2011, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Posted by: Ben | September 18, 2011, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Leave those poor rich people alone!
Posted by: Stu | September 18, 2011, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
The top 400 richest Americans, all making over $110 million per year and making an average of $271 million per year, paid only 18 percent of their income in income taxes in 2008.
In fact, since the mid-1990s, the share of income paid by the wealthiest 400 Americans has fallen by nearly 40 percent, from 29.9% in 1995, even as their average incomes roughly quadrupled.
Posted by: Miriam | September 18, 2011, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Average tax rate of 36% for Mr. Buffet’s employees? The top US tax rate is 35% on income over $379,150. To get to that point, one must pass thru the tax brackets of !0%, 15%, 25%, 28%, and 33% until reaching the 35% bracket. It is mathematically impossible to pay taxes of 36% on one’s entire income. If I were a reporter, I would need to challenge Mr. Buffet to explain that statement much more clearly.
Posted by: Scott | September 18, 2011, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
The top 400 richest Americans, all make over $110 million per year and make an average of $271 million per year, paid only 18 percent of their income in income taxes in 2008.
$271 million per year average earned by a rich person. That means their ‘wage’ is $92,000 per hour, 60 hours per week, 49 weeks per year. And the right wing whines about union workers bargaining for $20 per hour and some medical coverage.
Tax them!
Posted by: Cynthia | September 18, 2011, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
Let raise taxes—how much taxes on the wealthiest Congress men/women? Or are they exempt from such taxes under Obama’s plans——are the CZARS (where Obama hasn’t disclosed) aare their salaries going to be tax as this higher level? IT HAS BEEN RUMOURED–THEY ARE EXEMPT!
If the 535 members of Congress will forfeit their salaries for 1 year–(most salaries are under the $200,000) while in the REAL business world—Congress has some of the wealthiest Americans! Why couldn’t they draw money from the private income–not to exceed the $200,000 mark–just think 535 Members (along with the CZSARS–could help out the economy! 535 X $185,000 how much revenue would that generate in our economy! The President is a millionaire—-so there would be more revenue there too.
When the Congress—the Super Congress are looking to reduce funds for the elderly –medicare–medicaid–without first looking at the millionaires—billionaires sitting in Congress and are exempt from these higher taxes.
Or, when Obama has these fundraisers beginning @37,500 per plate–fills the house—other fundraisers $37,800 PER PLATE——take those numbers X 1700 people—how much more would that go into the economy (rather than half going to Obama–half to the Democratic Party to help more Democrats will be nominated—
Look at home–just inside the WH–Congress–forfeit salaries–coulld generate lots of money!
The American people have suffered enough—15 unemployed Americans—8 million aren’t receiving benefits and trying to survivor–2 million Americans have only part time jobs—this doesn’t include companies who went bully up this week end—the green project 1,100 employees lost their jobs immediately—then add to the BIG NASA lay off–then add to the layoffs at the White House since the IT Computer Systems are now in the hands of GOOGLE per the CEO of google.
The millionaires–billionaires in Congress SHOULD NOT BE EXEMPT? Forfeit their salaries for 1 year–use their personal funds—and then they might have an inkling about the economy–and the American people!~
Posted by: Kaay | September 18, 2011, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
The top 400 richest Americans, all make over $110 million per year and make an average of $271 million per year, paid only 18 percent of their income in income taxes in 2008.
$271 million per year average earned by a rich person. That means their ‘wage’ is $92,000 per hour, 60 hours per week, 49 weeks per year. And the right wing whines about union workers bargaining for $20 per hour and some medical coverage.
Tax them!
Posted by: Cynthia | September 18, 2011, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
no kidding
Posted by: jenny | September 18, 2011, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
National Sales Tax….Everybody Pays….
Posted by: Parallex View | September 18, 2011, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Can someone in the current administration explain to the American people how placing additional taxes on anybody (rich or poor) will result in more private sector jobs?????
Posted by: What A Joke | September 18, 2011, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
All Americans should be embarassed for letting this whole mess happen. We are so blessed to live in a country that has given us the freedom to chart our own course and go after our dreams. This freedom also provides us the ability to do some stupid things as well. We now have a government full of people who do not care about us, but only care about campaign dollars and winning elections. We allowed this to happen, it is our fault. The world right now is a mess, because we (the American people) did not lead by example and hold our elected reps accountable. We are now being led by Washington, instead of leading them to do what is right. A govenment of the people, by the people, for the people…. What a shame for squandering such a unigue gift that was given to us at birth – the gift of being an American citizen. Unless we drop all the labels that define us – repub, dem, etc… and focus again on the only label that should matter – an American – will this country be able to survive. Here we are on a media website (helping them sell more soap by dividing us) going back and forth about the decision of a bunch of meathead politicians who do not deserve the attention we give them. Of the 300 million people in this country, are you telling me the best we can do are the current people who run the federal government? We fell asleep America, and we let this happen. The world is a mess right now and we need to fix it – and the first thing we can do to help everyone is to throw out all the bums in Washington. They waste our money, they divide us, and we keep sending them back year after year. Such a shame, such an embarrassment – it is our my fellow citizens, it our fault for allowing this to happen!
Posted by: Wake-Up America | September 18, 2011, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
Can someone in the current administration explain to the American people how placing additional taxes on anybody (rich or poor) will result in more private sector jobs?????
Posted by: What A Joke | September 18, 2011, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
It’s two-pronged – 1) decrease taxes on every American worker (American Jobs Act) to put more money in general circulation to increase consumer purchasing and thus jobs, and 2) increasing taxes on the very wealthy to help decrease deficit.
Posted by: jenny | September 18, 2011, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
Good Buffett Quote: “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war & we’re winning”
Posted by: Kimberly | September 19, 2011, 1:09 am 1:09 am
WhatAJoke, it’s simple really. Here are the facts:
1> Corporations are making RECORD profits.
2> Even if you remove all the financial corporations out of the S&P 500, they have well over 1 TRILLION in cash just sitting around. This is money NOT being invested in any way, just sitting around.
3> Loan rates are still nearly ZERO. That means any company that wants to borrow to expand its business (e.g. hire folks and build infrastructure) can do so VERY cheaply.
All of this means that cutting corporation taxes (giving them more money) is meaningless because they already have TONS of cash and can borrow more for pennies! In other words, it’s NOT a supply side problem.
So that leaves the problem on the demand side. Every day folks aren’t taking home enough of the pie. There are a host of facts that illustrate this. Middle class wage stagnation (buying power) since the 1970′s, wealth disparity greatest since the 1920s, GINI ratio one of the worst for a first world nation, etc.
Posted by: BoboMcStevens | September 19, 2011, 1:11 am 1:11 am
There is nothing he can do to save his sorry Butt, we just want him gone- thru, finished- sent back to kenya.
Posted by: colo43 | September 19, 2011, 8:56 am 8:56 am
This is why Obama wanted the house and the senate to gust pass the bill. So no one would know what’s in it or how we are going to pay for it. Like obamacare. The president thanks that using the term economic times is his solution. There is no such thang as economic times in the constitution.
The constitution Is the founding blocks of the united states. Without it we’d still be a nation governed by the europeans. No freedoms, and no rights as we know it today. That including freedom of speech, the freedom of religion, the right to own weapons, the right to defend ourselves. Look how europe has changed in the last 200 years with our help. Yes I believe that obamacare is unconstitutional simple because it force american’s to buy a product not sold by the government but by some else and pay for it from the day you are born till the day you die. What’s next is the government going to force us all to buy electric cars or how about a plane or maybe life insurance. And their excuses Economic times!
Posted by: todd | September 19, 2011, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Another thing, our country needs to stop promising money out to all these poor country’s. I don’t pay taxes for our money to be sent over seas like our jobs. Americans first not the rest of the world.
Posted by: todd | September 19, 2011, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
We are in reality talking about 22,000 millionaires with a maximum return of 15 billion to the federal gov. Probably a lot less, as those who pay less than their secretary can easily farm their money somewhere else. Fifteen billion with a national debt of almost 17 trillion!! Obama, lots of press for 15 billion. Says one thing though, YOU KNOW THAT THIS STUFF WILL NOT PASS CONGRESS – PURE POLITICS!!
Posted by: Manitu | September 19, 2011, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Oh and Tony, own a car? Government makes you buy Car Insurance? How about a house? Your bank makes you buy Property Insurance?
Fact is the government mandates a ton of things, all for the betterment of society (speed limits, alcohol limits, age of consent, etc).
Posted by: BoboMcStevens | September 20, 2011, 1:36 am 1:36 am
Tony – sending money out of the nation? Sure thing but where were you when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Those alone will cost us more than 4 TRILLION when we’re done.
MANITU – why would you expect to find ONE thing to solve our deficit? It will be a ton of little things that help this. 15 billion is better than nothing, right?
Posted by: BoboMcStevens | September 20, 2011, 2:24 am 2:24 am
Something is awry. Paying a 36% tax rate is literally impossible. The top tax bracket is 35%, so if you made infinity dollars, you’d pay 34.99999…%.
Posted by: Wiseguy | September 25, 2011, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm