Ron Paul on Awlaki Killing: ‘Sad’ Precedent

He’s right.

Yeah, just let them keep killing Americans. Some how, your right!… Let us be desensitized of it. Lets just think its Normal… Then maybe we wont question them when they kill Americans here. Just like we don’t mind them stealing from us and squashing our rights away. Yeah, your right … Morons.

Pretty sure when he left and joined al-qaeda he renounced his citizenship and became an enemy combatant.

What hypocrites! You don’t want to bring other non American terrorists to this country to be tried, but you’ll make an exception for Awlaki? Seriously? Any American, natural born or naturalized, ought to have their citizenship revoked and dealt with accordingly when they incite, endorse or carry out acts of violence against innocent people. This includes those US citizens living overseas inciting violence upon their own or adopted country. I am certain that Awlaki was not too concerned about his rights to due process when he was encouraring others to kill. If they are here great lets take them to court and try them, if they are hiding overseas don’t waste the tax payers money or their time with a Kangaroo court and PRETEND to apply the rule of law.

Ron Paul just lost any chance of getting my vote. Al Awlaki was a self-proclaimed anti American terrorist who publicly recruited lone wolf terrorists and master minded their attempts of mass murder against Americans. Any president who would intentionally put his own rule-of-law opinion regarding the rights of a known terrorist above the presidential obligation of keeping American citizens safe from acts of mass terror would not be performing the duties of the office of the Presidency. Shame on Ron Paul.

Bloodthirsty bunch, aren’t you? I do recall “Field Marshall” Janet Napolitano identifying Constitutionalists, Oath Keepers and “Ron Paul” supporters as being potential terrorists. I served 22 years in the military and I didn’t make that sacrifice to see this country degenerate into a murderous police state.

I always respect what Ron Paul says. Usually, because he is the only one to have engaged his brain before opening his mouth with a knee jerk politically serving answer. This time, however, I disagree. Awlaki gave up his protections under the law when he joined Al-Quaeda thereby becoming an enemy combatant. The Times also explained the administration’s rationale as far as the legality of the killing:
Congress approved the use of military force against Al Qaeda after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. People on the target list are considered to be military enemies of the United States and therefore not subject to the ban on political assassination first approved by President Gerald R. Ford.
It took me some back and forth with myself to get there. I still support Ron Paul and his message, I just disagree with him on this call.

That’s right, people. If your President says someone is an enemy of the state, it must be true. The government never lies. It has the right to kill anyone, anywhere, anytime without charge, trial or providing evidence of guilt. Just take their word for it. We’ll all feel just as patriotic when the government says you are the enemy and blows you to bits without charge or trial. Constitution? Rule of Law? Innocent until proven guilty? The rule of law is so inconvenient. Just kill anyone you don’t like. And make sure you vote for people who look presidential and and will use power without any limit. Someday they will knock on your door – no, they won’t. They’ll just blow up your house because someone said you were a bad guy. Hey, come on, take a look at the bad guy! Who’s next?

A shining city on a hill.

Warning: shininess may be caused by targeting scope.

Ron Paul just committed Political enlightenment.

The targeted killing program violates both U.S. and international law. As we’ve seen today, this is a program under which both non-citizens and American citizens far from any battlefield can be executed by their own government without judicial process, and on the basis of standards and evidence that are kept secret not just from the public but from the courts. The government’s authority to use lethal force against its own citizens should be limited to circumstances in which the threat to life is concrete, specific and imminent. It is a mistake to invest the president – any president – with the unreviewable power to kill any American whom he deems to present a threat to the country. We shouldn’t be albe to send CIA drones wherever we want to kill whomever we want! It’s a bloodthirsty response to the pain Americans felt on 9-11.

Ron Paul just committed Political enlightenment. Ha! I like it. Maybe this issue will force Americans to think about our foreign policy, rule of law and the constitution and become enlightened by their seeking.

Any President who goes outside of the Rule of Law should face the consequences of his treasonous actions in our court system. Those who blindly support this extra-judicial action on an American citizen are worse than sheep. They are incompetent ignorants of the system of government they profess to defend. The Rule of Law makes NO exceptions for anyone no matter how bad you may subjectively consider that person to be. Once you start to arbitrarily begin making exceptions you allow for the very real possibility that our heads of state will one day whimsically call on their political opponents to be branded terrorists/enemies of the state. You allow the precedent to take place that spits on our Constitutional protections. You vomit on our constitution. We have now become the USSR. Blind sheep who support this action are destroying these constitutional protections for our future generations when their heads of state might have broader definition of what’s to be considered a terrorist. You blind blood thirsty sheep you are. You disgust me.

Oh my God if Bush had done this! Even worse would have been for Bush to allow his capture and put him in Guantanamo. I remember the stink 3 years ago from the liberal Left.

When one renounces his American citizenship and takes up hostilities against his country, he is labeled an enemy combatant and a traitor. You people who are whining about this guy not getting a “fair trial” are nuts to put it bluntly. The rule of law is there to protect the innocent and assure Americans of a fair trial.

Allaki gave up that privilege when he choose this path. I’ve worked as a cop in the law enforcement field for 20 years. This is NOT a law enforcement issue that assures an individual of a fair and impartial trial. This is a military issue, pure and simple. And that’s what the military does is take out enemies of the United States. If you people can’t see the blatant difference you’re completely blind and naive. This guy “lived by the sword” and thank God he “died by the sword.” My only regret is that he never saw it coming most likely.

Frankly, the reason the drug cartel issue in Mexico cannot be effectively dealt with properly is because it’s being handled as a law enforcement problem and guess what? It’s a battle that’s being lost by the DEA and the Mexican Federales. It needs to be reclassified as a military operation and then surgical bombings need to commence on drug cartel homes, their properties, as well as any and all assets.

If you want to see ruthlessness brought to a halt, then you need to become more ruthless. That’s a fact of human existence. Wake up and grow a set people. This is the real world. Quit crying about a terrorist rogue not getting his fair day in court. It’s truly sickening.

It’s a sad day when we have to acknowledge Obama’s ability to make a decision to carry out a strike such as this, while a so-called libertarian / conservative is wringing his hands and sobbing over the issue.

ED HELMSTETTER

What are you talking about. First of all I didn’t bad mouth anyone. Second of all if you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen, and third there’s nobody better than me and if thats silly so be it.

tferretti (4:48 PM); You obviously were not on the ABC post 4 years ago when the liberal Left was all up in arms because the Quantanamo residents were not being given their constitutional rights to a trial and how inhumane it all was. Don’t hear much talk like that anymore. BTW, we haven’t heard much about Guantanamo lately. I wonder why. Just for the record tferretti, I’m glad we got the SOB.

I love all of the people who claim the guy renounced his citizenship. It DOESN’T MATTER. In point of fact, the government hasn’t even bothered to ACCUSE the guy of hurting anyone. They’ve accused him of “inspiring” people. By this logic, any idiot who commits a crime and then claims he was inspired by some film-maker could put the fil-maker in jeopardy of assassination.

This man was murdered because of the thoughts he expressed which probably not one single person applauding his murder has ever heard.

All of you spouting out things like, ‘he’s a terrorist who set up and killed Americans’ ‘he deserves to die!’ ‘he denounced his citizenship and is therefore an enemy combatant’ All of you saying that, ARE WRONG! Dead wrong. You know NOTHING about this guy other than what the media-government complex told you. Don’t pretend otherwise. As an American you are guaranteed due process under the 5th Amendment to the Constitution. PERIOD.

This is a criminal act supported by President of the United States and carried out by the Justice system. I call for impeachment of the President. Wake up Sheeple… please. Your children will thank you in the future.

Scary precedent. And as usual Paul is the only one with the guts to go against the grain. I weep for my country. So many willing to flush the Bill of Rights down the toilet. I don’t care what the government has accused you of, I don’t care how much evidence they have against you You have a right to trial. We tried Timothy McVeigh, why not other Americans accused of terrorism? Scary precedent.

The dude is dead, period. Who cares! War is not pretty and not for a bunch of sissy. The turbine head’s death is good for the American people and good for him. American people have one less scum bag to worry about and this dude now has 72 virgins to play with in Hell. Howard Hughes must be jealous with this turbine droned head.

To kara:

OF course if you were suspected, for whatever reason, or being a terrorists, you would still apply your logic, right? I doubt it. Freakin scary people posting here..

If the rule of law matters, he is correct. If the rule of law is meaningless then he is wrong. What constitutes being a terrorist anyway. Are we, are they? Who terrorizes the most civilians with their policies?

Please do some reading about how evil this dude was, before condeming his execution ! He was appointed Regional Commander within al-Qaeda in 2009. He repeatedly called for jihad against the United States. If you don’t change your mind, there is an opening for a regional commander in al-Qaeds.

We are the infidels , so be it. Either them or us . I’d rather see them get droned.

I guess those who strongly support killing people without due process and are for exceptions, should understand that these exceptions can grow over time. First, that single terrorist doesn’t get any trial. Next, a serial killer. And it goes on an on until there is a totalitarian government out there.
It’s well described in “Animal Farm”.

Awlaki effectively renounced his citizenship – and the protections derived from it – when he declared war on the United States. He turned himself into an enemy combatant, and put a target on his own back by doing so. The ONLY reason people HERE are trying to somehow claim that killing him was wrong is because Ron Paul said it. He’s entitled to his opinion, and apparently he’s entitled to YOUR opinion as well. Hey, more power to you if you want to cede your opinion-making to Mr. Paul. Just don’t expect everyone to follow along like a lost puppy behind you……………

The President assassinates an American citizen and most politicians applaud this? So sad. God bless Ron Paul.

The precedent has now been set. The State can now compile a list of American Citizens, label them “terrorists”, and kill them without even charging them with a crime. Kill them from Hellfire Missiles launched from air borne drones. Too bad about the other American admittedly killed in the missile hit, he was a “propaganda minister” anyway. The FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force has issued guidelines for local authorities. Their list advised local authorities to report as terrorists people who “Make numerous references to US Constitution.” In Virginia, you’re a TERRORIST if you advocate for property rights. In PA, if you advocate Jury Nullification. And who needs trials when you can arrest Americans, probably the right ones [the government never makes mistakes so we don't need Habeas corpus hearings], hold them indefinitely, and torture them until they confess. Recently, a sound money advocate minting silver coins was branded a “terrorist”. Gun Rights advocates will be soon, defenders of the Bill of Rights have already been black listed. Ron Paul is right. But many of his core supporters will be rounded up soon, they are obviously the new “terrorists”.

The point isn’t who this dude is was or what he might have done; the point is that he’s an American citizen and we never heard of him before he our government announced he was an enemy of our republic and killed him.

Ron Paul is decending ito coplete idiocy if not treason.