Oct 4, 2011 4:11pm

Fast and Furious: GOP Says Eric Holder is ‘Either Incompetent’ or ‘Misleading Congress’

Twice in 2010, Attorney General Eric Holder received memos referencing the Fast and Furious program, memos that seemingly undermine the letter of his May 3, 2010 testimony that he heard about the Fast and Furious program over the previous few weeks.

Justice Department officials acknowledge that the memos to Holder reference Fast and Furious as an operation – but they argue the memos do not include details about tactics that allowed guns to cross the border. They say Holder understood the May 2011 question to Holder from Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., to have been about when the attorney general learned about the controversial tactics, not about the existence of the program.

Republicans aren’t buying it.

“He’s either incompetent or he’s misleading Congress,” responded Becca Watkins, press secretary for the House Oversight Committee, which is chaired by Issa.

A Justice Department official says that “Chairman Issa, of all people, should be familiar with the difference between knowing about an investigation and being aware of questionable tactics employed in that investigation since documents provided to his committee show he was given a briefing that included the Fast and Furious operation in 2010 – a year before the controversy emerged.” In April 2010, Issa was one of several members of Congress briefed on attempts to stop gun smuggling by criminal cartels.

Holder “has consistently said he became aware of the questionable tactics in this operation in early 2011 when ATF agents first raised them publicly, and then promptly asked the Inspector General to investigate the matter,” the Justice Department official said.

On July 5, 2010 Michael Walther, the director of the Justice Department’s National Drug Intelligence Center, wrote a memo to Holder mentioning the Fast and the Furious operation. It refers to the Drug Intelligence Center Document and media Exploitation Team at the Phoenix Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force’s “Operation Fast and the Furious.”

The operation was described as an “investigation, initiated in September 2009 in conjunction with the Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Phoenix Police Department, involves a Phoenix-based firearms trafficking ring headed by Manuel Celis-Acosta. Acosta and (redacted) straw purchasers are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels. They also have direct ties to the Sinaloa Cartel which is suspected of providing $1 million for the purchase of firearms in the greater Phoenix area.”

On October 18, 2010, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer wrote a memo to Holder, noting that among the “SIGNIFICANT UPCOMING EVENTS” would be an October 27 indictment of eight individuals involved with traggicking hundreds of firearms to Mexico. “The sealing will likely last until another investigation, Phoenix-based ‘Operation Fast and Furious,’ is ready for takedown,” Breuer wrote.

On May 3, 2011, Issa asked Holder about two Border Patrol agents killed by guns “that were allowed, as far as we can tell, to deliberately walk out of gun shops under the program often called Fast and Furious,” a program that “allowed for weapons to be sold to straw purchasers, and ultimately many of those weapons are today in the hands of drug cartels and other criminals.”

Issa asked Holder when he first knew about the Fast and Furious program.

Holder replied: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”

-Jake Tapper

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Sharyl Attkisson at CBS is claiming elsewhere that she has been strongly attacked by the White House for her reporting. She accuses spokesman Eric Schultz of yelling and swearing at her. The claim is that she’s being unreasonable unlike all of the other reporters.

Is anybody yelling at ABC?

Posted by: Oliver Shagnasty | October 4, 2011, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

Mistakes were made…

Posted by: Omlette | October 4, 2011, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

Will this story and video make the Evening News and GMA, or will ABC continue to be “reasonable” to the White House.

IMO, the Attorney General committing perjury on camera is an important story.

Posted by: Dave in Colorado | October 4, 2011, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

Eric Holder is ‘Either Incompetent’ or ‘Misleading Congress’

Why is it one or the other? He’s both incompetent AND a liar.

Posted by: DJ | October 4, 2011, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

Holder replied: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”

Take the 5th!

Posted by: Brian Harrison, CEO | October 4, 2011, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

“Either incompetent or misleading Congress”. I disagree, Congressman Issa. The two are not mutually exclusive. I expect we’ll find Holder is both incompetent and a liar.

Posted by: Tom in NY | October 4, 2011, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Karma is catching up with Holder. It’s about time.

Posted by: Suz | October 4, 2011, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

(c) Both Incompetent and Misleading

Posted by: TxSon | October 4, 2011, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

Sharyl Attkisson is a hero, keep up the good work Sharyl.

Posted by: the other ken | October 4, 2011, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

Big difference between knowing there was a program to track illegal guns into Mexico (hasn’t there always been? one would hope so), and knowing details of problems arising.

Posted by: Jim | October 4, 2011, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

This scandal is as ugly as a two-faced cat.

Posted by: Mr. Factchecker | October 4, 2011, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

Congratulations! ABC has finally discovered the Fast & Furious scandal. I guess you can’t ignore a story when it slaps you in the face. (Actually, CNN and MSDNC are still in denial.) Are the watchdogs of the White House finally turning into the guard dogs of our democracy? Time will tell.

Posted by: BPatMan | October 4, 2011, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

Probably both but heavy on the Incompetent side.

Posted by: Noz | October 4, 2011, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

It looks like Eric Holder is incompetent at lying. The news agencies either don’t report or under report this not for lack of judgement or even bias. They are run by radicals. People listen, it is time to prepare yourself for a leftist upheaval like you have never seen. Buy all your stuff and food for at least a month or better yet six months. If not watch your kids go hungry.

Posted by: Rick | October 4, 2011, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm

By liberal standaBy liberal standards the only thing Holder has done wrong is getting caught.

Posted by: Rasputin3.14 | October 4, 2011, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm

By liberal standards the only thing Holder has done wrong is getting caught.

Posted by: Rasputin3.14 | October 4, 2011, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

Congratulations! ABC has finally discovered the Fast & Furious scandal.

Posted by: BPatMan | October 4, 2011, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

ABC started covering Fast & Furious weeks ago – it’s you who hasn’t been paying attention and presuming your know things you don’t know.

Posted by: Judd | October 4, 2011, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

Big difference between knowing there was a program to track illegal guns into Mexico (hasn’t there always been? one would hope so), and knowing details of problems arising.

Posted by: Jim | October 4, 2011, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

Please no logical thought or facts needed. Just attack like the rest of the morons.

Posted by: Judd | October 4, 2011, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

Judd, Thanks for letting me know about ABC’s in depth coverage of this scandal. Unfortunately, I can’t find any links to their previous stories on this issue. Could you direct me to some?

Posted by: BPatMan | October 4, 2011, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

-Please no logical thought or facts needed. Just attack like the rest of the morons.-

You need to defend yourself. Would you like a military rifle? I’ve got a great deal for you…I know a guy who never had a problem buying them and driving to Mexico.

Posted by: Quick and Angry | October 4, 2011, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

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Well ABC Jake Tapper, and the ABC News White House team, if CBS had reported that if Carl Rove (when he was in the White House) had screemed and cussed at them for asking questions of this high profie of story, you would be all over it like stink on s–t!

We see right though you ABC. You better roll over soon before this gets too big and you become the news for not reporting on it.

Posted by: Franco | October 4, 2011, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

When this guy decided to get not prosecute hate crimes against whites and turn his head on the black panther incident, I knew he was a closet racist that had come out of the closet to shine. Obama thought he had picked the right one for his army, but it is all coming back to roost at the white house.

We have dishonored our country by allowing these militants to become embedded in our government. The amount of damage that they have done will take years and years to undo…..

Posted by: memphis | October 4, 2011, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

His call on Kalid Shake-me-up Mohammed already established he is incompetant. This establishes that he is also a liar.

Posted by: Tim | October 4, 2011, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

“Big difference between knowing there was a program to track illegal guns into Mexico (hasn’t there always been? one would hope so), and knowing details of problems arising.”

Agreed. I’m not really all that happy with the ones I bought (I’m kind of an impulse buyer and I’m having second thoughts about the AR, the composite, no wood stocks are a bit too modern and techy for me aesthetic wise…Otherwise great model…). Is there a customer service department at the DOJ?

Posted by: Fuego | October 4, 2011, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

npr sure is being “reasonable”! Just listened to their “All Things Considered” segment. eric holder’s name came up alright….umm, gallantly as npr put it, reopening a 10 year old case of a gun-control advocate’s murder in Seattle! They reported this w/ no sense of irony! Not a peep about eric holder’s malfeasances and perjury and lies about the Fast and Furious that is exploding on the national scene!

On the very day calls are going out for an independent counsel investigation of perjury and coverup charges against the Justice Department and the shady shenanigans of the AG that led to the murder of at least one US agent and the killings of countless others on both sides of the border, the National Politburo Radio is of course being its “reasonable” self on the side of the goons.

Posted by: simin | October 4, 2011, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

So it seems that Holder is an Incompetent Liar. I guess at this point Obama will throw him under the bus as he has with so many others.

Posted by: whodat1 | October 4, 2011, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

When information which properly belongs to the public is systematically withheld by those in power, the people soon become ignorant of their own affairs, distrustful of those who manage them, and–eventually–incapable of determining their own destinies. Richard Nixon

Posted by: Faithful Servant | October 4, 2011, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

DOJ program sells AK-47s to Mexican war lords and the result is (so far) three Americans dead and 300 Mexicans dead and who knows how many others injured and wounded.

Boring.

I want to know if Sarah Palin paid the FICA taxes for her house cleaner. Now there’s a scandal!

Posted by: russ in nc | October 4, 2011, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

So this is what Hope and Change looks like…. What a joke yet people are still supporting this administration ………. are they all smoking crack or what? This administration makes Jimmy Carter look like the best President ever.

Posted by: Frank | October 4, 2011, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

Holder replied: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.” That’s interesting since it’s been front burner news for the last 3 months.

Posted by: newcountryman | October 4, 2011, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

Sounds like if they want to really get rid of terrorist they would start with themselves.

Obama has broken EVERY campaign promise he made. He is a disgrace. He is a war monger. And egotistical maniac who has the gall to keep a Nobel peace prize after killing more people in two years than this country has killed in probably the last thirty. This country is a disgrace and a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

Posted by: yarply | October 4, 2011, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

Big difference between knowing there was a program to track illegal guns into Mexico (hasn’t there always been? one would hope so), and knowing details of problems arising.

Posted by: Jim | October 4, 2011, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

Please no logical thought or facts needed. Just attack like the rest of the morons.

Posted by: Judd | October 4, 2011, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

The right wing are like hyenas.

Posted by: Bruce | October 4, 2011, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

RUSS IN NC –”DOJ program sells AK-47s to Mexican war lords and the result is (so far) three Americans dead and 300 Mexicans dead and who knows how many others injured and wounded.
Boring.

I want to know if Sarah Palin paid the FICA taxes for her house cleaner. Now there’s a scandal!—

But wait Russ.. first we have to tell you about how Hank JR got fired from the NFL for discussing his political opinions on fox.. then we have to tell you about how there was a rock with a racial slur on it in texas back in 83 and Perry’s family waited a month or two before they painted over it so he’s obviously too racist to be president, then we need to tell you about how some audience members booed a gay vet and republicans didn’t stop the debate to castigate them for it publically..
THEN when we are done with all that, we MIGHT spend a few minutes talking about a member of this administration lying under oath to cover up a botched government operation that got american citizens killed.. NAHH… lets go back to the HANK JR story instead.. move along nothing to see here..LOL

Posted by: arkie vet | October 4, 2011, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

THIS is what’s wrong. THIS is why the Tea Party exists. Americans are SICK AND TIRED of, “it depends what is, is”. PLEASE PUT SOMEBODY IN JAIL.

Posted by: stevens | October 4, 2011, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

I’m proud of ABC and CBS for being willing to report this growing scandal that is one the same scale (or bigger because of over 100 deaths) than Watergate. Motive = gun control / 2nd Amendment. Those are not popular topics of conversation for the left (or left-center). BUT, the principal of journalistic integrity in the face of obstruction, perjury, and death was more important than protecting “The One” from investigation. I couldn’t be more proud to be an american where the press can still investigate the government and reveal the truth. Obama and Holder, you will be held accountable for what you did. The Watergate investigation took time (and it was not popular either from the right-wing point of view). Ultimately, Nixon had to resign. I bet Obama will not seek a second term because he knows that the truth is coming out.

Posted by: Frank Durman | October 4, 2011, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

The right wing are like hyenas.”

And their ridiculous view on firearm finish is reprehensible! Everything has to be milspec tactical?! And their obsession with the .223 round. Please! Why they object to the 7.62 is beyond me…People these days…

Posted by: Fuego | October 4, 2011, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

The Chick ens are coming home to roost!

Posted by: Gina | October 4, 2011, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

The right wing are like hyenas— Really? Three attempts to impeach Bush for Iraq, the end of a 60 minutes reporter’s career from trying to push FALSE documents about Bush’s service record, Perry is a racist, Cain is an uncle tom, Romney supports obamacare, Bachmann has headaches so she is unqualified, Palin is an idiot (and we have Tina Fey’s quotes that we can attribute to her to prove it) Here are all her emails from the past ten years.. everybody try to find something incriminating.. what nothing.. never mind.. the tea party is racist cause we said so.. never mind that with all our cameras running we can’t find a single example..they are becasue we say so..

So if right wingers are hyenas, then what does that make liberals??

Posted by: arkie vet | October 4, 2011, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

Oh yeah, it’s just a bunch of crazy right wingers out to get poor 0bama, NO IT’S NOT! This is a big deal, a lot of people died so that this Administration could try and make it look like it’s our fault for having a 2nd Amendment. If this was the Bush Admin, then ABC and the rest of the 0bama media would have jumped on this long ago and called for impeachment. They know that this is something that could not only bring down this Administration but send some big wigs to prison the rest of their sorry lives. Yes there should be a full blown investigation.

Posted by: TJRedneck | October 4, 2011, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

–Holder replied: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.” That’s interesting since it’s been front burner news for the last 3 months.–

Hearing the conversation around the water cooler at the DOJ is NOT the same as getting a memo and reading it. Just sayin’.

Posted by: Cubert | October 4, 2011, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

Big difference between knowing there was a program to track illegal guns into Mexico (hasn’t there always been? one would hope so), and knowing details of problems arising.

Posted by: Jim | October 4, 2011, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

Please no logical thought or facts needed. Just attack like the rest of the morons.

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Please check the “facts” before you accuse everyone else of being morons. This wasn’t a program to “track” guns … the guns were allowed to walk. Got that? The automatic rifles were allowed to walk — NOT tracked. The ATF is not THAT incompetent, so therefore, who ordered a program to allow guns be sold to violent drug cartels. And perhaps more importantly, why?

Posted by: Shari | October 4, 2011, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

Holder lied under oath.. he wanted no part of the this mess… the Obama administration wanted to prove that it was American guns fueling the Mexican violence and it backfired… honest and law abiding gun dealers continued to report the guns to the ATF

Holder is a sorry symptom of the entire incompetent and dishonest Oblunder administration from Solyndra to Fast and Furious to Crony Captialism trying to pick winners and losers.

Lets not forget that one of these guns supplied by our Justice Dept was used to kill an American

Posted by: patches12 | October 4, 2011, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

And perhaps more importantly, why?
Posted by: Shari | October 4, 2011, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

Both Obama and Holder have been very vocal that they support strong gun laws. There’s your reason.

Posted by: wheresmymoney | October 4, 2011, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

Why are questions about this never posed to Barack Obama during his non-stop interviews with his fawning media?

Posted by: Jane | October 4, 2011, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

Mmmm……Mmmmm……Mmmmmm…… What’s that I smell? It smells like an impeachment is cooking…

Posted by: DeOppressoLiber | October 4, 2011, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm

mark the date, October 4 and ABC has decided to acknowledge the fast and furious fiasco. Americans were killed because of this scandal, and Holder lied to Congress. send this coward to prison!

Posted by: jgalt | October 4, 2011, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Let him swing from a Mexican gallows for all the murders he was complicit in there!

Posted by: Kunte Kinte | October 4, 2011, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

Two faced cat, Michelle at Target, Nancy Grace’s strap broke, all easy to find. Obama administration running guns to drug cartels in Mexico, had to do a search. What is wrong with this picture???

Posted by: Gaar | October 4, 2011, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm

Two faced cat, Michelle at Target, Nancy Grace’s strap broke, all easy to find. Obama administration running guns to drug cartels in Mexico, had to do a search. What is wrong with this picture???
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Nancy Grace didn’t have the tailor have a look before the dancing?

Posted by: 2 Step | October 4, 2011, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

“Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this administration.” —-Barack Obama

Posted by: zanne | October 4, 2011, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

Nixonian to say the least

Posted by: anti-Obamunist | October 4, 2011, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

He’s both. So whats the big deal. If it was any other way then I’d be concerned. Misleading Incompetent should be included in the criteria when ‘vetting’ a potential AG candidate.

Posted by: Climp Jones | October 4, 2011, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

Wasn’t Darrell Issa briefed about Operation Fast and Furious last year and didn’t he fail to express any opposition to it at the time?

Come to think of it didn’t the same Darrell Issa say government subsidies to specific companies can encourage corruption even though he sought U.S. aid for clean- energy projects in his home state? (See Sen. Landrieu Reads Darrell Issa’s Letters Begging For Taxpayer Clean Energy Loans On The Senate Floor)

He’s a blatant hypocrite with a partisan agenda.

I really don’t think he’s a good person for the Oversight Committee. He’s beholden to the US Chamber of Commerce and holds double standards on everything he investigates. He’s not objective and the American people want meaningful oversight, not more political posturing. Until he can explain why he was briefed and said nothing back then but is waving his arms and freaking out now, I think he should be replaced by someone who puts country first.

It’s really no wonder Americans don’t trust congressional republicans and view them so negatively. The GOP and its tea party and congressional members are very unpopular. See Mike Lofgren’s Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult

Posted by: Kimberly | October 4, 2011, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

He’s a blatant hypocrite with a partisan agenda.

Posted by: Kimberly | October 4, 2011, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Unlike you, of course! Lol

Posted by: Susan | October 4, 2011, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

He was an incompetent moron under Clinton and has not changed one bit. He is also a liar. As much as anything else I blame the stupid Republicans who confirmed this wretch.

Posted by: drjohn | October 4, 2011, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

He lied.

Posted by: snapperman | October 4, 2011, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

Posted by: anti-Obamunist | October 4, 2011, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

I wouldn’t classify this as ‘Nixonian’ any more than I’d classify Ted Bundy as a burgler. The fact that no one, up and down the chain of command, saw that this operation would almost certainly result in a massive number of murders is mindblowing.

Posted by: Larry | October 4, 2011, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

Unlike you, of course! Lol

Posted by: Susan | October 4, 2011, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

Of course, I’m just a midwestern mama and small business owner who loves this country and wants it to be all that it can be.

I can’t believe that Republicans demogogue about the deficit and yet House Republican leaders have tripled the salary cap for a legal team arguing in support of DOMA from $500,000 to $1.5 million of taxpayer money.

Sheeesh, no wonder approval of congressional republicans is so low. This is a complete waste of money.

Posted by: Kimberly | October 4, 2011, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

Of course, I’m just a midwestern mama and small business owner who loves this country and wants it to be all that it can be.

I can’t believe that Republicans demogogue about the deficit and yet House Republican leaders have tripled the salary cap for a legal team arguing in support of DOMA from $500,000 to $1.5 million of taxpayer money.

Sheeesh, no wonder approval of congressional republicans is so low. This is a complete waste of money.

I heard at least 200 people got killed because of that, including a US law enforcement officer.

Posted by: reverse | October 4, 2011, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

Was that at Miami Herald, Speaker Boehner Triples Fund to Deny Protections to Gay and Lesbian Couples; Tab jumps to at least $1.5 million in taxpayer money to defend discrimination?

Or SF Chronicle, GOP triples legal bill for defending unconstitutional statue?

I can’t believe that Republicans demogogue about the deficit and yet House Republican leaders have tripled the salary cap for a legal team arguing in support of DOMA from $500,000 to $1.5 million of taxpayer money.

Sheeesh, no wonder approval of congressional republicans is so low. This is a complete waste of money.

Posted by: Kimberly | October 4, 2011, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

Providing high power firearms to Mexican drug cartels – and enemy of the US and it’s citizens, is TREASON. Anyone involved should also be charged with accessory to murder.

File felony charges, and if found guilty, imprison these traitors!

Posted by: Daniel | October 4, 2011, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

Was that at Miami Herald, Speaker Boehner Triples Fund to Deny Protections to Gay and Lesbian Couples; Tab jumps to at least $1.5 million in taxpayer money to defend discrimination?

Or SF Chronicle, GOP triples legal bill for defending unconstitutional statue?

I can’t believe that Republicans demogogue about the deficit and yet House Republican leaders have tripled the salary cap for a legal team arguing in support of DOMA from $500,000 to $1.5 million of taxpayer money.
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I heard at least 200 people got killed because of that as well, including a US law enforcement officer.

Posted by: reverse | October 4, 2011, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

Blogging is not a small business unless you’re a propaganda consultant to Obama.

Posted by: Susan | October 4, 2011, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

Actually, there are many ways that blogging can be a small business or aid a small business. Commenting at blogs isn’t blogging though. Just an FYI. Besides that, it is irrelevant as my biz has nothing to do with social media. My question is why are right wingers so limited/clueless/shortsighted/wrong when it comes to business, politics and the way things work? They seem to know nothing about business or politics though they’re on here attempting to chat about both.

Posted by: Kimberly | October 4, 2011, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

The Communist Obama Regime is imploding! They will be destroyed in November, 2012. Goodbye, Comrades!!!!!

Posted by: WilliamPenn | October 4, 2011, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

Posted by: Kimberly | October 4, 2011, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

I’m endlessly amused that you believe you’re convincing anyone.

Posted by: Susan | October 4, 2011, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

‘Incompetent’ or ‘misleading’.

Translation: Eric Holder is either a liar – or a fool – or both. Which aspect did Obama favor when he put this crook in charge of the Justice department for all of America?

Posted by: Newshound | October 4, 2011, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

Holder..complicit to murder in the death of a border agent?

Abc still hiding this scandal on world news tonight no coverage

OBAMA______VS_____AMERICA

Posted by: Yep I said that | October 4, 2011, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

Posted by: Susan | October 4, 2011, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

Then you’re endlessly amused by another of your projections– and it IS amusing that you think you’re persuasive.

You are a character, I’ll grant you that.

To your ” reverse” post, I ask again was that at Miami Herald, Speaker Boehner Triples Fund to Deny Protections to Gay and Lesbian Couples; Tab jumps to at least $1.5 million in taxpayer money to defend discrimination?

Or SF Chronicle, GOP triples legal bill for defending unconstitutional statue?

I can’t believe that Republicans demogogue about the deficit and yet House Republican leaders have tripled the salary cap for a legal team arguing in support of DOMA from $500,000 to $1.5 million of taxpayer money.

Posted by: Kimberly | October 4, 2011, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

CBS’s Sharyl Attkisson revealed on Tuesday’s “Laura Ingraham Show” the extent of the rage directed at her from the Obama administration for her reporting on the “Fast and Furious” controversy: “The DOJ woman was just yelling at me. A guy from the White House on Friday night literally screamed at me and cussed at me.” Attkisson also stated that “they think I’m unfair and biased by pursuing it.”

We now know why Diane Sawyer and Brian williams will not report on the Fast and Furious scandal…… Obama regime threatens the media……… drop it or else?

OBAMA_______VS______AMERICA

Posted by: Yep I said that | October 4, 2011, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

If Bush had committed one tenth the crimes Obama is guilty of, not mention losing our credit rating and shoving a weak economy into a depression, the media would caterwauling like cats at full moon.
How about billions in phony loans, union payoffs, waging war without Congressional approval, arming Al Qaeda in Libya, destabilizing Egypt, romping around the world with him his wife,family, and unprecedentedly huge “entourage”, lavishly spending taxpayer dollars. Bush spent most of his vacation time in his OWN HOUSE in glamorous Crawford Texas. This is just the tip of the iceberg because the lib media is so invested in this disaster they barely cover the truth.

Posted by: trajan long | October 4, 2011, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

“either incompetent or misleading?” funny. those are the exact words i used when the dems passed the health care bill, claiming it would reduce costs and give us all better health care. oh, yeah… and if we like our plan we can keep it.

Posted by: eilspaul | October 4, 2011, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm

If Bush had committed one tenth the crimes Obama is guilty of,

Posted by: trajan long | October 4, 2011, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

You may not understand the meaning of the word ‘crimes’. Perhaps look it up. The only recent ‘crime’ committed in the White House was under Bush and Cheney – that was Libby charged, tried and convicted of criminal activity in the White House. Crime is not just things people like you think up. It has an actual meaning, and an excellent legal system to go with it. Parts of America are plain stupid.

Posted by: Cudy | October 4, 2011, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

Why are we getting people like Holder and his ilk in high positions with Government? It’s just damn sad and depressing!! It seems to me this bunch is taking our government right down the tubes with their combinarion of incompetency and malfeasance.

Posted by: Jim | October 4, 2011, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

Why are we getting people like Holder and his ilk in high positions with Government?

Posted by: Jim | October 4, 2011, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

Yeah, I know what you mean . …

“In 1988, President Ronald Reagan appointed Holder to serve as a judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia.”

Where do they find these people?

Posted by: Cudy | October 4, 2011, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

“Parts of America are plain stupid.”

Nancy Pelosi’s district comes to mind.

Posted by: Stacey | October 4, 2011, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

Eric Holder is ‘Either Incompetent’ or ‘Misleading Congress’………………….Both.

Posted by: Coasty | October 4, 2011, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm

“Parts of America are plain stupid.”

Nancy Pelosi’s district comes to mind.

Posted by: Stacey | October 4, 2011, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

Why is that? Oh, I see! It’s not meant as a meaningful statement, just a mindless insult. You prove my point.

Posted by: Cudy | October 4, 2011, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm

WASHINGTON — The federal government under the Bush administration ran an operation that allowed hundreds of guns to be transferred to suspected arms traffickers – the same tactic that congressional Republicans have criticized President Barack Obama’s administration for using, two federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday.
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What a surprise . . . to the right wing, it’s fine for Bush . .. a criminal action for Obama . ..

Posted by: Sunny | October 4, 2011, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm

The practice of “letting guns walk” to trace their sales was also used in the Bush administration, federal officials tells the AP. The ATF began what became known as Operation Wide Receiver in 2006, after receiving information about a suspicious purchase of firearms. The investigation involved letting the guns “walk,” and the investigation concluded in 2007 without any charges being filed.

Posted by: Sunny | October 4, 2011, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

MEMORANDUM

To: AG Eric Holder

From: A Friend

This is the kind of document you are going to need:

Office of the President
United States of America
Washington, DC
(Appropriate past date)

Attorney General Eric Holder:

This document is to confirm our conversation today at the White House wherein you were authorized by me to to utilize monies from the General Fund to conduct Operation Gunwalker. It is understood that this operation will involve covert activities in which 2000 firearms, commonly known as AK 47’s, are to be taken across the US Mexican border and given to members of Mexican drug cartels. It is understood that this operation will be conducted by the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms under your supervision with the purpose of creating the general impression that US gun dealers are providing the weapons to Mexican Criminal Organizations.

Regards,

President of the United States

(The Boys at Langley can whip up something that looks very official.)

Posted by: HOO | October 5, 2011, 12:51 am 12:51 am

Holder’s assertion that he might’ve heard about it and didn’t know what it was about is like your wife confronting you with an invitation to an orgy. Do you say, “Yeah I received it, but I didn’t know what it was”?

Give me a break. We’ve only learned about a few memos that we know he got, way back in 2010. What about all the ones sent to him we haven’t heard about?

We need to confiscate all memos and communications and bring this guy to trial for perjury, just for starters. Maybe we can make a plea deal with the idiot, in order to find out if O’Bummer orchestrated this whole thing (which is very likely).

The same guy who said killing Bin Laden was “under my direction” directed this operation, too. It’s going to come out.

Posted by: KipNoxzema | October 5, 2011, 1:49 am 1:49 am

Those who say Holder misled Congress are RACIST TEABAGGERS!
DON’T BE A RACIST – OBAMA 2012

Posted by: Servile Swine | October 5, 2011, 1:55 am 1:55 am

Holder had plenty of time to waste going after Gibson Guitars and dropping the charges against Malik Shabaz.

Posted by: Wasp | October 5, 2011, 1:56 am 1:56 am

WASHINGTON — The federal government under the Bush administration ran an operation that allowed hundreds of guns to be transferred to suspected arms traffickers – the same tactic that congressional Republicans have criticized President Barack Obama’s administration for using, two federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday.
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What a surprise . . . to the right wing, it’s fine for Bush . .. a criminal action for Obama . ..

Posted by: Sunny | October 4, 2011, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm

This isn’t a surprise at all.

Posted by: Charles | October 5, 2011, 1:58 am 1:58 am

Ode to Fast and Furious

“Mistakes were made”
“It’s Bushes fault”

“So what’s a life(s) snuffed…”
If…
It’s Bushes fault?

Posted by: Vote Loud | October 5, 2011, 2:30 am 2:30 am

Holder just never thought giving guns to the Mexican drug cartel was a questionable tactic.

Posted by: Brian | October 5, 2011, 3:31 am 3:31 am

It’s not an either/or condition. He is both misleading the Congress AND incompetent. Those footsteps you hear in the background is Holder running for the nearest hideout from the law.

Posted by: Barrister | October 5, 2011, 5:30 am 5:30 am

Holder and Obama are both responsible for this assault on the Constitution and the murders of two hundred people.

This is a hanging offense.

Posted by: Gun Walker | October 5, 2011, 5:37 am 5:37 am

So we have Holder who people have a choice that he is either incompetent and or misinformed?..
#1 look at who appointed him
#2 look at who he surrounds himself with
#3 look at the cases he goes after and the ones he avoids
#4 And when did the media decide he is incompetent? Seems us uninformed Racist Tea Party type have been saying this for a couple of years now…Affirmative action is killing us…this whole administration is the definition of the PETER PRINCIPLE!!!<<<<look it up if you don't know what it is

Posted by: rudebutcool | October 5, 2011, 6:48 am 6:48 am

How about a little investigative reporting? No mention of the request by Congress for a special prosecutor. I’ll be watching CBS Nightly News to get comprehensive, unbiased coverage of this story…

Posted by: Palma Hutchinson | October 5, 2011, 7:42 am 7:42 am

trump just paraphrased this on fox this morning. said the administration was “either criminal or stupid” in giving over a half-million dollars to solyndra. i sense a pattern here.

Posted by: eilspaul | October 5, 2011, 7:43 am 7:43 am

The administration is filled with boobs like this, who can’t understand simple questions or who misunderstand. When caught they run for cover and try to excuse their behavior with all sorts of lies. And let’s not forget Bidens latest contribution…He didn’t know who Van Jones was..A guy he vetted to become one of Obamas Zars. Poor stupid democrats deserve this kind of representation.

Posted by: greyfox | October 5, 2011, 7:44 am 7:44 am

Why doesn’t the word LIE appear in this article? It is obvious he lied. Scooter Libby who couldn’t remember either was labeled a liar before any facts even got out? And he couldn’t remember who released the name of Val P – which didn’t matter because the prosecutors all ready knew who did it. This is just ridiculous – ABC is pathetic -so are the rest – they simply defend the big stink BO at every opportunity to hide from the public the corruption in this administration.

Posted by: Rick | October 5, 2011, 8:19 am 8:19 am

Oh, Ye of little imagination.

Holder is both incompetent and intentionally misleading Congress. Seeing as he was caught lying seems to prove both, for he’s not even competent….at Lying!

Posted by: Tom Genin | October 5, 2011, 8:32 am 8:32 am

Congratulations! ABC has finally discovered the Fast & Furious scandal.

Posted by: BPatMan | October 4, 2011, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

ABC started covering Fast & Furious weeks ago – it’s you who hasn’t been paying attention and presuming your know things you don’t know.

Posted by: Judd | October 4, 2011, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

Judd… thanks for pointing out how late ABC was to the story considering this thing has been going on for many months and as you pointed out ABC started to report on it a few weeks… I guess in your mind it’s ok they ignored the story while whistle blowers were coming out about it. Once again, thanks for agreeing they are months behind on this story! JA

The only probelm

Posted by: Demsvoteblindly | October 5, 2011, 9:08 am 9:08 am

Oh BLAMING BUSH NOW / AGAIN!!!!!! HAHAHA

Except under Bush there it was an actual sting operation with arrests made and prosecutions…..In other words. Above board.. THis issue is something completely different

Posted by: joe | October 5, 2011, 9:14 am 9:14 am

‘Either Incompetent’ or ‘Misleading Congress’
I think that “or” should be AND

Posted by: robert g | October 5, 2011, 9:15 am 9:15 am

Holder needs to be given immunity from prosecution, stripping him of his protections afforded under our fifth amendment. @ this point should he lie, or refuse to answer, he would be held in contempt and jailed until such time as he remembers. Or should he then commit perjury he would face a long prison sentence.
GOD SAVE AMERICA

Posted by: art | October 5, 2011, 9:27 am 9:27 am

For all these yellow dog dems that want to throw stones at Issa or the “tea party” or republicans in general: you are attempting to use a “red herring” argument that flies in the face of reason. It is not about them, though I’ll grant you that most are sniveling, simpering incompetent leeches having sold their souls to to crony-capitalism fascists (read the Fed and all other private central banks) that are now running our world. This is about the “top cop” lying to cover the asses of this administration after they botched an attempt to demonize the 2nd Amendment and rally the useful idiot democrats for more civilian disarmament schemes (aka “gun control” for the stupid people). Please, for heaven’s sake, hold their feet to the fire. Unfortunately, I don’t believe justice will be served. The media first began to turn a blind eye to the evils of this rogue central government when they helped cover-up the murders of 86 men, women and children on April 19, 1993. I suspect they will give a pass on this one as well because they feel that they must protect “the chosen one”. That’s the thing that bothers me most about the statists (particularly the left wing) in this country is that they subscribe to the fallacy that the “ends justify the means” regardless of what must be done, including mass murder and complicity in mass murder as we see them doing in this case. Mexican citizens have been murdered by the score as a direct result of this false flag attack on the 2nd Amendment.

Ron Paul is our last hope…

Posted by: George N. Weezie | October 5, 2011, 9:30 am 9:30 am

Holder: Lying and an accomplice to murder – fire him and remove the leader of the regime – Obama – as well. DOJ: one of the biggest threats to our country’s security.

Posted by: Constantvigil | October 5, 2011, 10:08 am 10:08 am

Leavenworth just called, they have a cell ready for Holder and Dinglebarry.

Posted by: bankroller | October 5, 2011, 10:24 am 10:24 am

Remember what the Dems did to Scooter Libby. First a Democrap named Armitage leaked Plames name and then sat by silently while they went after Cheney and Libby. Then they convicted Libby for perjury. In that case Plame was not a covert agent and no one died. Holders actions have cost human lives. His DOJ is full of radical anti white racist who lie just as he does and commits civil rights violations daily.

Posted by: Dean | October 5, 2011, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Holder: Liar and an accomplice to murder: arrest him and try him for murder. Investigate the leader of the regime – Obama – as well as he is most likely an accomplice to murder as well. DOJ: one of the greatest threats to American security – Homeland security? are you following this or are you still following white males?

Posted by: Constantvigil | October 5, 2011, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Holder and most of this administration belong in Gitmo.

Posted by: free america from obamunism | October 5, 2011, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Anyone with more than two functioning brain cells can see that “fast and furious” was an attempt by the criminal in the white house to subvert the constitution. He is on record as telling anti second amendment supporters that he has “things” in the works to bring about “sane gun control” but can’t discuss them. Here you see one of them and why they had to stay a secret. Secretly and illegally flooding Mexico with American weapons through the ATF while at the same time actually arguing for greater gun control in this country because “American weapons” are being used in Mexico for murder wouldn’t go over very well would it? It would actually make you and EVERYONE involved in that process co-conspirators in the murder of American agents and hundreds of Mexican nationals wouldn’t it? No wonder the criminal holder’s memory is so bad! THIS ALONE IS IMPEACHABLE AND TREASONOUS! The knowingly enabling of murderous drug gangs and suppling them with weapons would merit the DEATH PENALTY would it not?!

Posted by: Lee | October 5, 2011, 11:11 am 11:11 am

DOJ nothing to see here move along, ABC has more important stories to look into, like digging up dirt on GOP.

Posted by: Resist We Much | October 5, 2011, 11:11 am 11:11 am

HOLDER/OBAMA LIED AND THOUSANDS DIED!

Posted by: Lee | October 5, 2011, 11:14 am 11:14 am

I thought the position of Attorney General was supposed to be deemed “top cop” of the nation and here is Eric Holder breaking the law and lying to congress.

Posted by: Betty | October 5, 2011, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

Holding my breath for national media coverage of one of the juiciest scandals in modern history, one that any true journalist would be on like white on rice. Too bad we don’t have any true journalists anymore. They used to say they reported on Republican scandals because Republicans were hypocrits. Ha. No bigger hypocrits exist than those in the media. Malfeasant, all of them.

Note to the apologists on this board claiming “Bush did it too” – Caution – the glaring differences between a successful sting operation (Wide Receiver) and an act of ‘felony stupid’ (Gun Walker) is the three-fold. Bush didn’t ship guns across the border and lose them. Nobody died. And prosecutions resulted. None of which can be said of Gunwalker. When you make such stupid equivocation, you point out exactly the problem with your own argument.

Posted by: Carmelita | October 5, 2011, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

Holder is a CRIMINAL and he needs to go to jail. Two police officers are dead because of a conspiracy involving thousands of felonies for the purpose of promoting more “gun control” laws. Just one more atrocity committed by the Justice Department.

Posted by: Gregory | October 16, 2011, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

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