Sen. Marco Rubio: “I am not going to be the VP nominee”

What is with these guys? Christie and Rubio need to realize it’s not about them, it’s about service to their country.

I agree with him. Can we please have our senators do their job while they are senators…And how about a president running the country…not a campaign election. Rubio’s attitude is in refreshing contrast to all the rest of the politicians.

The reason he states for not wanting it is EXACTLY the reason he is the right man for the job.

Last I checked Miami Florida was in the US.
He is more than capable. Natural born citizen

Congratulations to ABC for picking the word possible picture of Marco Rubio and misspelling his name. Liberal Media at its best! Also to the 14th Amendment guy he is a Natural Born Citizen and in order to be a Natural Born Citizen your parents do not have to be born in this county! Man I hate stupid people!!! Get your facts straight you bigot!

If we do not elect a man of character, one that will abide by the constitution and have the ability to run a business, there will not be a USA in 4 years. We are in so much danger of tipping over BEFORE Nov 2012. I fear a majority, combined of those that want a collapse to occur and those that believe it could never happen, will cause this to happen. Perhaps a civil war will occur or we will be ‘absorbed’ into the ‘global community’.These guys claiming they are not going to run may never have another opportunity.

Why are the Republicans running after this guy to run for anything? He’s as bad on illegal immigration as Perry is, only he lies about it. In 2003 he introduced a version of the DREAM Act in Florida, and in 2008 as Speaker (a position with wide powers) he single-handedly blocked all attempts at regulating illegal immigration, even the most modest of bills — all of which were worked upon tirelessly by the citizens of Florida carefully to withstand court challenges. This guy is the Republican version of Obama, smooth-talking, attractive, but LYING. The only reason anyone is looking at this guy is because he’s Hispanic and pandering is in order.

I ask this in all seriousness, because I can’t find a clear answer… Is he even eligible to be VP?

Rubio’s parents weren’t born in the US, but he was. Since the Constitution requires that the President (VP has same requirements as Pres. since the VP may be required to become Pres. at some point) be a “natural born citizen,” it’s not clear the Rubio would meet the Constitutional requirements for VP, because there’s some debate about what it actually means to be a “natural born citizen.”

In fact, there seems to be quite a bit of debate online about whether or not Rubio could be a VP nominee, because of the Constitution’s “natural born citizen” requirement. But I’ve mostly only found opinions, and not really any legal rationale for arguments for or against his eligibility.

Maybe ABC News could help explain this issue?

His name isn’t Maro Morons. L2WRITE.

Rubio is a young guy…his time will come…maybe in 2020, but he also just got elected to the Senate a year ago. I really like the guy, but I respect what he’s sayiing. Look at the shape the country is in when it elected a “not ready for primetime” senator barely into his first term as President.

Oh Lordie, you guys are a bunch of idiots. Anyone born on US soil is a natural born citizen. It doesn’t matter one bit where their parents were born. Jeez!!!!

@ Geurilla: Read the entire post. Our founders did not consider themselves NBCs. Most were born here and all were CITIZENS. You only have to be a US citizen to be a Senator or a Representative. A NBC is not just an ordinary CITIZEN. Our own Senate defined a NBC as a citizen born to two citizens on US soil. What you describe is a Citizen. A NBC can be described as a second generation citizen.

Under Natural Law, a child inherits the citizenship of his Parents at BIRTH. His parents were Cuban refugeees at the time of his birth , allowed to reside in the country, The Parents didnt petition to become citizens until 4 years after his birth. THEREFORE Rubio was born CUBAN, he was also at birth a Naturalized citizen as per the 14th ammendment.

The Founding Fathers specifically put that requirement in the Constitution to prevent someone having dual allegiance from becoming President.

The Supreme Court binding precedent in Minor vs. Happersett (1874) provides the Constitutional definition of natural born citizenship. When the Court held that Minor was a citizen under Article II Section I because she was born in the US of citizen parents, that definition became national law.
Therefore, Minor supersedes all other sources on this point. It is a direct Constitutional interpretation and definition, and has never been superceded.

Marco Rubio is not a Natural born citizen.

To those of you claiming that anyone born in the US is a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ regardless of the status of parents, you obviously haven’t considered the ramifications of your (il)logic. If you would just think about it for a moment you would realize that if you are correct, then a child born to illegal alien parents is also, therefore, a ‘natural born citizen’ and would therefore be eligible to be President.

Not only is that absurd, in the same breath you also confer on such children a classification even higher than normal citizenship. Do you really think the Founding Fathers went to all that trouble of putting a special ‘natural born’ requirement in place in the Constitution for eligibility to be President only to have it negated by an illegal alien, who, by rights, should not even meet the requirements of regular citizenship, let alone ‘natural born’ citizens? Come on, wake up people!

We seem to be living in a time where the use of correct words and phrases no longer seem to matter very much to most people. The correct term to use for a person born in the country is ‘NATIVE born’, and is a term that does not take into consideration parents’ status . ‘NATURAL born’ takes it to a higher level and requires that the parents be citizens (which include naturalized citizens).

@ truthseeker: So under that argument, if someone comes to the United States Legally, is granted ‘residence’ and is in the process of getting citizenship (which can take anything between 5 and 15 years if you are not aware) and happens to have kids before they obtain citizenship, you will say that those kids are also Not ‘natural born citizens’ and thus not eligible to be President? pretty harsh, I think you would be more comfortable living in Germany than in the United States, where right of blood is more important than right of territoriality. If that’s the case, it would be a good exercise to go back and look at every single former President and Vice President and see if both their parents had been citizens already when they were born. You can start with Spiro Agnew for example.

My reading of Article II of the US Constitution is that nobody alive today is eligible to be President of the United States. Ask any English teacher about the effect of the comma following the words “United States” in the second Paragraph, which begins with “No person except…”

CHANGE THE LAW….IT HAS TO BE ROMNEY/RUBIO TO SAVE THIS COUNTRY.

The U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled that “natural born” means born of citizen parents (plural). Please refer to the Minor v. Happersett case.

@cme: My parents came to this country in 1918 and did go through what you described and were naturalized after going through a process requiring some number of years. When they finally did become US citizens, the pride and joy they felt was indescribable and their allegiance was 100% to America and their new life in this wonderful country (their words).

Although I was born just a few years after they had become naturalized citizens, in the event that this were not the case and I were born before that time, I can honestly say that I could live within a rule/definition of natural born citizenship that excluded me from eligibility to hold ONLY one single job in the US, the office of President, and I, at least, would not feel the slightest bit inferior or an underprivileged citizen unfit to be President.

I notice that you didn’t respond to my comment about the implications of your definition of natural born citizen with regard to the children born to illegal immigrants in the US. You cleverly deflected that argument and converted it into a pity party for the children of immigrants who are in process of becoming citizens but have not quite made it through the naturalization process.

I am a real fan of Marco Rubio. He has so much to offer to this nation, and his statement today only reinforces my attitude about him. I’m happy he made the announcement he did not because I have anything against him, but because I hope he made this decision out of principle rather than blind political ambition.

Yes He Can…and Yes He Will:

Romney / Rubio 2012
“Returning America’s Prosperity”

The only real hope this nation had said she isn’t running – Sarah Palin. All of the others are on board with globalist socialist agenda and it will be nothing but business as usual. Think about it GW Bush started alot of the stuff that BHO is doing. He didn’t close down the borders. He expanded government to the nth degree. He got us in the never ending wars. All the Republicans are just like Bush.

For the many, many ignorant people on this board, here it is in balck and white.

Under the US Code, Title 8, subchapter 3, Part one, section 1401, you DO NOT NEED TO HAVE TWO US-citizen parents to be considered “natural born.”

It’s been the law since the 1950s.

There are two prerequisites for being a natural born citizen.

1. ANYONE born on US soil is a US citizen regardless of whether or not their parents are US citizens. This has been affirmed repeatedly by the US Supreme Court. That’s it.

2. Anyone born anywhere in the world that has at least one parent who is a US citizen is a US citizen. They only need one parent to be a citizen. That parent can be a naturalized citizen.

All this nonsense about the parents having to be citizens of the United States is nonsense. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that. Nowhere. If you are born on US soil (and that can be on an army base or Embassy anywhere in the World, or in a US territory, i.e., Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, etc.) you can claim US citizenship no matter what nationality your parents are. Anyone who says differently is going against hundreds of years of Supreme Court rulings in favor of people who have no idea what they’re talking about.

These birthers will believe any claptrap put out by people who have no idea what the Constitution really means no matter how wrong they are.

Where did the proof readers of the world go? May be the proof reader for ABC is participating in Wall Street protests. The mans name is Marco. If you cannot do your job right, do not do it. You do yourself, employer and your consumers a disservice.

“So NOTHING in that ruling ever answered the question. And 100 years later, CONGRESS defined “natural born” in Federal law. ”
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That is a lie. Please show me where, in the 14th Amendment, ‘natural born citizen’ is mentioned. It isn’t.

Minor v. Happersett determined that, as the young lady was born on the soil of citizen parents, she was a natural born citizen thus establishing at least one set of circumstances defining that term. In the Ark case, Wong, born on U.S. soil was NOT born of citizen parents and therefore was NOT a ‘natural born citizen’. The SCOTUS had to bypass Article II, Section 1 and relied instead on the 14th Amendment to certify him a citizen thus clearly showing that citizen parents ARE required to be considered ‘natural born’.

“If anyone is in this country “ILLEGALLY” and they have a child– that child IS NOT A CITIZEN. Check the 14th Amendment– the parents HAVE to be “under the jurisdiction” of the UNITED STATES. ”
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You are wrong, of course, but only because of a very bad SCOTUS decision. Children of illegal aliens born on U.S. soil should be. . .wait for it. . .illegal aliens!

Karen: Minor V. Happersett is the binding precedent. The court reasoned that in order to determine U.S. citizenship the first topic considered is parentage. If you are a child of U.S. citizen parents (plural) you are an American citizen. No law needs to be looked at. Every country accepts that fact regardless of laws. Just as the world accepts a child born to a French mother and father as a French citizen and nothing but a French citizen. It’s a question of absolute loyalty. If you have to refer to a law to determine citizenship you are not natural born. The concept of natural born has nothing to do with law.

Asked during the forum if he would turn down an offer if the Republican presidential nominee asks him to, Rubio responded, “Yea, I believe so,
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Translated – He will take it in a heartbeat.

Oh My God. This site is really full of idiots. Rubio is eligible to run, why? because he was born in the US and THAT’S ALL you need! That’s all Obama needs and there’s NOTHING any of you sourpuss independents or conservatives are going to do to change that. Get over it! stop trying to drop some of your obscure knowledge of what you version of the law states. You wasting your time as well as everyone else s. How about some ideas instead of complaining and making lies or fear-mongering anything our government is doing . How about a little support to OUR(yours and mine, neighbor) country.
To the Real independents and anyone living in reality-land. Marco Rubio is only 40years old. By the time he is 48 he could possibly be ready but let him mature and grow. He will be good for the GOP. relax people there is not a single current GOP that stands a chance against Obama. Doubt me? list em off and be honest with yourself when you do.

I’d love to see this eligibility issue regarding Rubio come to the forefront. Once people understand why he’s not eligible, the only logical conclusion will be that the fraud in the WH must also be ineligible. THAT’S WHAT WE’VE BEEN TELLING YOU!

Note that Senate Resolution 511, which resolved that John McCain is a natural born citizen, states in part: “Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936…”.

“citizens”, as in plural.

The punchline is that Barack Obama was one of the signers of this resolution! He’s the biggest fraud in US history!

There seems to be more uneducated people in the US than imaginable. Common sense should tell you a natural born citizen would be a child whose parents (NOTE: PARENTS i.e., plural, both parents) are citizens of the nation the child is born in.

Rubio knows he isn’t a natural born citizen because his parents hadn’t became naturalized citizens until after his birth. His is keeping quite on that matter thinking in the not too distant future the Constitution will be amended to qualify him.

It has been attempted 8 times in the past to amend that requirement without success.

If Barry is technically ineligible due to Minor v Happersett then does anyone doubt the whole birth certificate rouse was a slight of had to avoid the real issue of his Barak’s dad not being a citizen ? Was the birth certificate used to distract from a legitimate constiutional issue ? I never heard anybody mention the Minor v Happersett until recently in regards to Rubio. Why not in 2008 with Obama?

Translation: “I will not be a running mate because there’s not going to be an election because Obama’s going to declare martial law soon.”

I really think we need to keep strong, conservative Senators and Congressmen where they are. We will need them to help our next president undo the mess we’re in.

THE TEABAGGERS AND THE RIGHT WING HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR THE REPEAL OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT SO THAT CHILDREN BORN OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES. REPUBLICAN SENATORS ON THE SENATE FLOOR HAVE CALLED FOR THE SAME THING.

SO THE FACT THAT RIGHT WINGERS ARE DEFENDING THE IDEA OF HIM RUNNING FOR HIGH OFFICE MEANS THAT THEY HAVE NO PRINCIPLES AND ONLY CARE THAT HE HAS AN (R) IN FRONT OF HIS NAME. PERIOD.

Pssstttt… Adam

On May 28, 1971 Marco Antonio Rubio was born in Miami, Florida.

FYI, Florida is a southern state — one of 50 states that comprise the United States of America. :)

Rubio has it right-he was elected as a senator and he needs to finish that job. Being in the congress has more clout than the president. Congress writes the laws; they approve the cabinet; they decide what is paid. Those you choose to put in congress are far more important than the president. Unlike obimbo, he has voted on issues whereas obimbo voted present-he did not take the job seriously-he should have-might have made him a better president. When you have a terrible president, congress has to be strong.

There is disagreement over the term “natural born citizen” but up to this point the courts have dismissed challenges to the eligibility of President Obama to be president based on the idea that both your parents must be citizens. It is likely that they would dismiss challenges to Rubio as well. But please feel free to die on that hill if you must. It makes you look like something of a bigot.

Rubio should perhaps pass if offered the Veep. We wouldn’t want the image of another junior senator preening for higher office after the disaster that has been Obama. Then again this country needs men like Rubio. And it is the Veep spot after all and not president. A position where Rubio could learn a great deal about the executive and be ready in 8 years to run for president and brush aside criticism that he isn’t ready. Then again not all presidents survive 2 terms and Rubio might enter the office of president early. Decisions, decisions.

“Is Rubio natural-born citizen? In other words, was he a citizen at birth, allowing him to President someday?” is typical of the sort of misdirection and lies frankly used by the left to deceive you on the Obama’s ineligibility issue. Note, how the Oblameya supporter attempted to repeat the question, but distorted it. Is he a natural born citizen? (1st question) … Was he a citizen at birth (the lie) … “allowing him to … (what the poster wants you to believe logically flows from his words. It’s the liar’s equivalent of a “logical” argument, me thinks.

Now, lets get this straight, America. Remember it. It’s important. Natural born citizen doesn’t mean that you were born without anesthetics, or that you were born without C-section. Don’t be like that. C’mon. You MUST be smarter than that or we are doomed. Natural born citizen is a special kind of citizen, a subcategory of “citizen”. Now, you can be born an American, or become one. Neither of those types is necessarily naturally born, which is where you make the lie. A natural born citizen has two citizen parents and his or her loyalty is therefore unquestioned. Simple.

Oh, and if you want to know why this never was an issue for 200 years, its not because everyone used terminology they never defined, lol. It’s because now, today, in the present, people distorted history in their narrative of explaining his candidacy/eligibility in order to lead you to a particular conclusion.

Wake up.

Is there a coincidence that Sarah Palin and Marco Rubio quit on 2012 on the same day?

The solution is simple. Amend the constitution and either remove or explicitly define “natural born”.

Natural born is a common term. It shouldn’t have to be defined. It means a citizen by nature, not by law. It is universally accepted by all nations that a child born exclusively to parents of a single nation is also a citizen of that nation, no other. It is a loyalty check. A person who is a dual citizen at birth, who comes under the jurisdiction of another nation as well, can never be considered natural born. That is Soetoro”s, and Rubio’s, case.

I don’t remember any VP ever lobbying for the job or admitting that they aspired to be VP. So this is just a standard “denial of interest” that we hear all the time. Wanna bet that if a good, solid GOP nominee for President asked Marco to be his or her VP, that he’d change his tune at that time?

Rubio realizes that Romney is going to be the nominee, and that Romney has to pick an evangelical Protestant as his running mate to bring home the base. No room for a Catholic on a ticket headed by a Mormon – you can’t have a Protestant-free ticket in a majority-Protestant nation.

Oldest tactic in politics…look how it served Christi and Palen (Though I would have liked to see Christi run this time). There’s no public cry for a politician to run for office, so they come out and declare they are not going to run and people want to know why not…if their declaration generates enough interest, and people start explaining why they want the candidate to run, the media picks up the public outcry, the opposition party comes out with reasons why their potential opponent isn’t right for the country…it gets more airplay until BINGO…”Okay…Okay…I’ll run.”

Both sides do this all the time…in 2008 everyone declared McCain’s candidacy dead in the water and when everyone thought his campaign was over, the opposition’s stealth pr machine (the mainstream media) started giving McCain more free news coverage…they knew McCain didn’t stand a chance in hell of beating anyone…and the gullible voter, who doesn’t bother to research candidates until the last week or so of a campaign, turns to the only source they know for information…the mainstream media. So very predictable…

Oh boy. Now I’ve seen it all. Auric Masters brought “natural child birtlh” into a discussion of “natural born” citizenship.

Duh.

Evidently Rubio has some ‘smarts’ just like the ‘fat one’ (Christie). You watch what they will do next. Recast themselves as ‘moderates’ after the GOP has to ‘remake’ itself after they get their heads handed to them next year. All because of their radical, conservative extremes (religious, social and fiscal) that are DESTROYING their Party. Rubio and Christie were just too smart to ‘jettison’ their careers’ with the negative ‘vortex’ that is currently killing the GOP.

Interesting how all the racist come out of the woodwork come out whenever someone is not white you want to question if they are natural born citizen. You spout the Constitution without actually reading it.
Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution states the powers of congress
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States
Furthermore the 14th Amendment states
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
It also states:
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Title 8 of the US Code is Congress (Remember they have the authority granted by the Constitution) fills in the gaps left in the Constitution. Section 1401 details Citizenship requirements.
The Congress has defined natural born citizen and Citizens of the United States at Birth.
• Anyone born inside the United States *
• Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
• Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
• Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
• Anyone found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
• Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
• A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
*There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

Here is the link to the website if you want additional data, though I suspect most of the hayseeds writing here won’t take the time to challenge their opinion.

Judging by past VP’s (Biden, Cheney, Gore, Quayle), I’d say Rubio fits right in.

Rubio is another wealthy right-wing nutjob. Even his last name has “ruby” in it, and rubies are very expensive jewels that only rich people can buy. Let’s just stop this sharade called private property, and stop this sharade called the Tea Party.

CND Fox… okay, you have made your feelings clear.

You don’t like the man (Christie) because he is overweight, has a strong ego, and talks brutally honest at times without calibrating political positions first. That is your prerogative.

Apparently the fact that Christie closed an $11billion budget shortfall in a $29.4 budget without raising taxes and did so with Democrat votes doesn’t impress you either.

I “hear your logic”… the man is overweight and has a big ego.

Likewise who cares that Christie previously (as US District Attorney for NJ) received BIPARISTAN praise for his history of convictions for public corruption.

Who cares, right? The man has a big ego and is overweight!

During his tenure, Christie’s office won convictions or guilty pleas from 130 public officials, both Republican and Democratic, on the state, county and local levels without losing a single case.

Who cares, right? The man has a big ego and is overweight!

::rolling eyes::::

CND Fox… oh I agree that his weight can be seen as a political liability.

However, of surpassingly more importance to me, as a NJ resident, is the job he has done as Governor – and how he has done it. Christie has done a remarkable job so far and he has done it with logical COMPROMISE with Dems in the majority.

Christie is not a “typical conservative” pandering to “the base”.. which you could easily determine for yourself if you did your homework and used intellectual honesty. (If he was a Dem I’d say he was not a “typical liberal” pandering to “the base.”)

Dying Ideological demographic? Pro gun control? Supports an immigration path to citizenship? Acknowledges global warming? Has “proven” by actions he will and can work with Dems and publicly gives them credit?

Here is a guy that hard line conservatives call a RINO and you seek to paint him as a right winger? Come on.

As Tip O’Neilll once said… “you’re entitled to your own opinion but your not entitled to your own facts.”

O’Neil was a “statesman” and IMO 98% of the Senate today are NOT.

I’m “partisan” because I give credit to a politician that TELLS you what he wants to do and then goes ahead and trys to get it done.? A guy that not only preaches COMPROMISE ~ he actually did it!

That is absurd.

I voted for Clinton because I felt he was the best choice. I was right.
He was a great President.

I voted against Obama but I was far from being in love with McCain. I was right about that too. Obama’s performance has been decidedly sub par. Virtually all of my Dem friends share the same opinion.

Sadly I don’t see anyone in the 2012 GOP possibles that encourage me. It has been painful to even watch the GOP debates.

BTW, most of us in NJ knew Christie was not going to run. He would have lost many of us if he did. He promised to get the job done and he still has work to do. Bailing out to run for President halfway through his term would have made him in many NJ eyes (including mine) just another politician serving his own interests first.

That is “one” of the 999 things I don’t like about Palin.

CND Fox…

Christie has suffered from asthma since childhood. The day you speak of was extremely humid (84 percent) and pushing 90 degrees.. which makes asthmatics labor harder.

Asthmatics, and there are more than 4 million of them in the US, have the same life expediency as anyone else.

Come on.. you are acting like a dog with a bone about his weight… while avoiding admitting his political TRACK record has been very good.

You have made yourself clear… you don’t like Christie’s direct HONEST “style”.. where citizens (like him or hate him) at least know where he stands on issues.

You prefer instead Obama’s ” game face” style.. which places you at odds with middle Americans who are sick of his “campaigning style”..

Reasonable leader? Get real. That is the problem with Obama.. he doesn’t LEAD.. he campaigns.

Once a President is elected I don’t care if I voted for him or not.He becomes MY President and I hope he is extremely effective. I don’t care if he is a Democrat, Republican, or a WHIG!

I also also don’t care if MY President weights 500 lbs or 87 lbs.

What I DO care about is how and IF my Preisent “leads” .. and Obama falls far short of what this great country deserves.

The biggest mistake Democrats made in 2008 was letting the slick talking campaigner keep Hilliary Clinton out of the WH.

How about some intellectual honesty? Significant percentages of his supporters no longer see him as a man of “Hope” but rather as the lesser of evils. I understand how they feel. Obama is a HUGE disappointment but the GOP doesn’t have anyone worth their salt to take over the reins.

Obama’s own base is well aware they have been had. They are simply stuck with him like the rest of us. Moderate Americans are shaking their heads and moaning over him AND their lack of a good alternative in 2012!

I’d be a happy camper if Obama didn’t run and someone such as Hilliary Clinton replaced him on the ticket… and I bet, truth be known, many people feel the same.

If you’re still on the fence: grab your favorite earphones, head down to a Best Buy and ask to plug them into a Zune then an iPod and see which one sounds better to you, and which interface makes you smile more. Then you’ll know which is right for you.

wow, Im amazed. Theres another Kirby out there! I guess I may have to start posting using my last name a rare situation with a name like Kirby