Oct 28, 2011 10:18am

More Americans Have Unfavorable View of Health Care Law

Americans’ favorable view of the Democrats’ health care law has dropped to a new low not seen since the law was passed in March 2010, according to a poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

The report, released today, found that 34 percent of Americans now view the Affordable Care Act favorably, the lowest since the law was passed. Fifty-one percent now view the law unfavorably, a new high.

The drop was largely driven by waning enthusiasm among Democrats, according to Kaiser. Although liberals remain the largest backers of the law, their support for it has dropped, driven by a weak economy and continued criticism of the law by Republican candidates in debates. Only one in five Democrats has a very favorable view of the law. More than six in 10 Republicans have an unfavorable view.

The economy and jobs are the top priority issue for most Americans, a majority of whom – 71 percent – think the Congress and president are paying “too little attention” to those issues.

Only 18 percent of Americans now think the Affordable Care Act will improve their personal situation, down from 27 percent in September, while 44 percent say it won’t make much of a difference to them. Just 28 percent think it will improve the country’s situation, another new low, and down from 38 percent.

The report comes as Republican candidates are upping their rhetoric against the health care law. Most support repealing the law altogether; even Mitt Romney, who signed a similar health care law for his state as governor of Massachusetts.

The Obama administration has also run against several obstacles in recent months. The administration announced earlier this month it will nix the long-term health insurance plan in the law, saying it could not find a financially sustainable model for it.

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This poll shows the power of misinformation repeated influences those who don’t watch non-partisan news.
I’ve read most of the bill. It has so many good things for consumers and puts limits on the insurance companies greed.
That’s why insurance companies have been funding the lies, to get it repealed.
Read it yourself or at least read summaries on non-partisan sites. It is a good deal for the American people and businesses.

Posted by: Librarian53 | October 28, 2011, 10:44 am 10:44 am

I’ve come to the conclusion that some people just couldn’t live without the government in their lives.

Posted by: newcountryman | October 28, 2011, 10:49 am 10:49 am

There are many reasons that the health insurance industry is fighting the health insurance bill, The Affordable Care Act. They want to continue banning people with pre-existing conditions, even babies! They want to be able to cancel people’s insurance when they are facing expensive life-threatening illnesses.
But the biggest reason takes place in 2014. Starting then, insurance companies will have to spend 80 to 85% of all premiums we pay on actual medical bills for patients. This will limit them to 15 to 20% for overhead and profit. Today there overhead and profit can run as high as 30 to 40% of premiums collected!
Compare that with Medicare with a 4% overhead.
This fight against the health care bill is all about greed, not about sick people getting proper care. So the insurance industry has spent a lot of money spreading lies and half-truths to try to kill the bill. Don’t be taken in, read it yourself or a good bi-partisan site.

Posted by: Librarian53 | October 28, 2011, 10:51 am 10:51 am

POSTED BY: LIBRARIAN53 | OCTOBER 28, 2011, 10:44 AM 10:44 AM. Is that why AARP supports the new healthcare law, because they will make millions off it? If it is so good why would anyone be against it, like DEMOCRATS, or why would they repeal part of it? I guess you like it when Bureaucrats tell you how much care you can receive or when, hope you never need it.

Posted by: Lizzie | October 28, 2011, 10:59 am 10:59 am

Librarian53–”This poll shows the power of misinformation repeated influences those who don’t watch non-partisan news.
I’ve read most of the bill. It has so many good things for consumers and puts limits on the insurance companies greed.
That’s why insurance companies have been funding the lies, to get it repealed.”— No, what this poll shows is that Americans ARE reading and looking into what this bill does and they DON”T LIKE IT!! Okay, what are the good things that it has for consumers?? No pre-existing conditions? Great for those WITH preexisting conditions, TERRIBLE for everyone else… who do you thinnk will have to pay forthe bill that insurance companies have to pay out to people who have NEVER paid premiums before but now get to be covered? ANSWER– everyone else… Which is why most actuaries are now predicting that everyone who HAS coverage will see their rates DOUBLE.. How about the 85/15 rule? is that a good Idea to prevent “greed”? Here is what it will do, companies will have to GREATLY increase their rates to cover operating expenses under the 15% rule (its currently 35%).. Which means that customers pay DOUBLE for the same coverage and IF the company STILL fails to meet the bracket, then they have to close up shop.. what will be left is fly by night low overhead companies who have horrible track records, but can survive on 15% of the premiums through labor cuts and outsourcing.. Want to get paid?/ Simply follow the computer prompts untilyou finally get in touch with the reprsentative who lives in Sri Lanka and he will get right on processing your claim.. you should have your money in a few months..maybe…How about that whole budget NEUTRAL thing?? They just dropped the CLASS program because it was unsustainable to implement.. THAT program was supposed to provide 40% of the bill’s cost neutrality.. Which mean that the HEALTH CARE BILL will now ADD ove a have trillion a year to the deficit.. and by the way.. the presentage if uninsured people in this country.. has WENT UP since it’s passage.. how’s that for success?

Posted by: arkie vet | October 28, 2011, 11:00 am 11:00 am

Librarian53–”But the biggest reason takes place in 2014. Starting then, insurance companies will have to spend 80 to 85% of all premiums we pay on actual medical bills for patients. This will limit them to 15 to 20% for overhead and profit. Today there overhead and profit can run as high as 30 to 40% of premiums collected!
Compare that with Medicare with a 4% overhead.”– First, thats Apples and oranges because medicare’s overhead is buried in existing government agencies.. IF it were privately run, the overhead would be WELL ABOVE 40%.. Second, the 85/15 rule is a business KILLER for the industry. Pretend that you personal credit card and mortgage debt is the same as the payout to insured patients.. Right now, you make a pay check and use 65% to pay off your creditors and mortgage .. the other 35% goes for your Gas, Food, Electricity, Clothes, Savings, and all your household operating expenses, and those of your children (same as employees).. NOW imagine that even though you have the SAME amount of expenses, the government MANDATES that you spend 855 on your credit cards and mortgage and completely live off of only 15% of your paycheck for everything else.. You expendible income just got reduced by 67%.. think thats a GOOD IDEA??

Posted by: arkie vet | October 28, 2011, 11:11 am 11:11 am

A new wrinkle has surfaced in the implementation of the federal health care law that critics argue will impose a significant penalty on women and marriage.

Posted by: Lizzie | October 28, 2011, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Arkie vet, I repeat that this poll shows the power of misinformation repeated. And pseudo experts being paid to give false info on fixed news.
Your idea of insurance is skewed. The whole point is to have everyone insured, that way the healthy people who don’t create bills yet are paying for the sick people. And someday when those healthy people have health problems, it is their turn to have their bills paid. So it isn’t ‘terrible for everyone else’ as you put it because the majority of us will one day be someone with a pre-existing condition.
I don’t believe you can give a non-partisan source for your actuary claim. Common sense tells me that if the insurance companies have to spend more on medical bills and less on overhead, they couldn’t raise rates and still spend 85% on medical bills. What will happen is they will have to lower their overhead (good-bye to ceo’s crazy bonuses would be a good place to start) or they will have to close up shop while the honest insurance companies flourish.
Your entire attitude is cold-hearted. You seem to forget that most bankruptcies are because of unpaid medical bills. even for those with insurance. You seem to forget that 40 thousand Americans die each year because they didn’t have insurance. Put the loss of those dads and moms into your actuaries and try to calculate the loss to society, the financial hardship to those families, the increased burden on government if the family’s resultant poverty or orphans require govt. help.
Your comments make me suspect that you are profiting from the system remaining in favor of insurance companies. There would be no other reason for you trying to encourage the lies.

Posted by: Librarian53 | October 28, 2011, 11:28 am 11:28 am

My place of work is already telling us that when this program goes into effect
we will be dumped from healthcare coverage. Big corporate savings. Our union
tells us we can ask for higher wages at that point, but who is in the driver seat.
Go on Strike, been there, done that, lose to much money that you never make back.
And health care cost keep going up. This law is going to screw so many people
it is sickening.

Posted by: deadwrestler | October 28, 2011, 11:36 am 11:36 am

Arkie Vet, nope I don’t believe your statement that Medicare’s overhead runs higher than 4% and I bet you can’t find one credible non-partisan source that agrees with you.

You can’t compare their business with a family’s budget at all, that is comparing apples and oranges, because a family is raising children who aren’t earning but result in a lot of spending, and higher spending as they age.
Think about what an insurance company does. They collect premiums, they pay out for medical claims. It isn’t rocket science.The companies don’t have to have the same amount of expenses, they simply have to tighten their belts like every other industry has had to do in these tough times. Everyone I know has increased responsibilities at work for no extra pay. Overtime has been cut. The insurance industry will have to figure where they are wasting customers premiums because of the health care bill. They never had to before, they were free to just raise premiums or raise deductibles. And one of the reasons they have had to raise premiums is because they have priced so many people out of the market. And instead of cutting back on bonuses, stock options,lavish offices, they were free to just raise rates.
Again, your defense of an industry that is known for waste and excess in its overhead, makes it clear that you must be profiting from it or you would have no reason to defend it.

Posted by: Librarian53 | October 28, 2011, 11:38 am 11:38 am

Don’t believe the insurance company spokesmen in these comments. Prices will stabilize or even fall come 2014 when the 15% to 20% rule goes into effect. Insurance companies will only be able to keep 15 to 20% for overhead and profits and have to spend 80 to 85% of premiums on customers medical bills. They don’t like this and are fighting it tooth and nail by misinforming you about the bill. Today they are spending 30 to 40% of your premiums on their overhead and profit, including huge salaries and bonuses for ceos while they try to deny payments for sick people’s bills!

Posted by: Lydia | October 28, 2011, 11:43 am 11:43 am

LIZZIE: “I guess you like it when Bureaucrats tell you how much care you can receive or when, hope you never need it.” – - – And how exactly is that ANY different from executives and managers in an insurances company MAKING EXACTLY THE SAME KINDS OF DECISIONS? Why is is to wrong for “Bureaucrats” to make certain decisions that conservatives don’t bat an eye about when a manager or executive in an insurance company makees exactly the same dicsion? That hypocrisy is simply the result of relying upon faulty/poor thinking by using the genetic fallacy in which the identity of the decision maker is more important than rationality of the decision. Furthermore, how about providing some EVIDENCE to support this claim! Please cite the relevant provision of the law which necessarily mandates that “Bureaucrats tell you how much care you can receive or when.” Does that claim have any rational basis in fact, or is it purely the result of somone regurgitating lies from conservative propagandists?

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | October 28, 2011, 11:55 am 11:55 am

I guess you did not like my first comments so I will try again. The Affordable Health Care Bill is what this country needs. It should have never been held off to start like it has…people need it now and they also need a public option. However, that being said…it is preventing the insurance companies from controlling us by kicking us off when we are sick or refusing to cover anyone with a pre-existing condition. It may need a tweek or two but every new bill does but Fox News and others like Beck and Limbaugh have done a mumber confusing the people about its content. The figures were checked by the CBO and independent organization and they say that it will do as was said. However, the republicans who refuse to let this president win on anything and refused to work with him on it even after he went up to them twice and put them on t.v. so all could see their obstinance…he got it passed. The few republican who signed on were sanctioned and told if they ever go against the “party” they would not receive any money should they run again. That with the Norquest bill has put handcuffs on any republican who wants to work with this president. Not every congress and senate in the past loveed their president….however, they have in the past worked with him because it was what was right for this country. This republican/tea party do not feel this way. They put their wants and their party first and the country will just have to wait until they get exactly what they want. How totally unAmereican of them. How sad for this country so those out of work…will just have to wait…those who need this health care…they want to prevent from getting it and those who are unemployed are just lazy according to them. The 99ers are the result of this inactivity by this party and the banks who refuse to help are disgusting. At least our president is not waiting another year…he is getting some t hings done without the republicans.. Despite the fact that the income of the rich has risen 275% and the income of the middle class and the poor has stayed the same…the republicans still want more for the rich while the middle class who actually need this bill are suffering. I hope this country wakes up to actually who is out there for you and who is out there for their party. Election time is coming and in some states they are not waiting but are trying to overthrow those who lied to them like in Wisconsin and Ohio. We can only hope the rest of the country wakes up before they lose everything espcially the women who are being attacked daily and their rights slowly taken away. Wake up America before it is too late.

Posted by: talmag | October 28, 2011, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Funny, most that I hear running it down seem to be void of actual facts in this area. Government panels dictating what care you get is one example.

Posted by: Secondlook | October 28, 2011, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Posted by: newcountryman—Lots of people couldn’t. Without the government feeding them, sheltering them, paying for their existence, and an all you can eat buffet of healthcare. The truth is if we want to have as many people as we have, we cannot let people make their own choices, we have to plan just to see everyone’s needs are met, but after that there is no money for wants, so we stagnate.

Posted by: snewsom2997 | October 28, 2011, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Posted by: Secondlook—There is still the one fact that cannot be denied, and that it was unconstitutional for the federal government to even do this. The states could have, and everything would have been legal, Writing a law that says the states need to set up a plan would have been legal, telling them how to set it up isn’t.

Posted by: snewsom2997 | October 28, 2011, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

The health care industry and their proxy tea party have done a good job convincing the American people that we ought to go back to the same idiotic heath system we had. The Affordable Health Care Bill is not perfect but it’s at least a start toward sanity. The Congressional budget office says, if we can at least get some people to pay something we will save a lot of money. The republicans are all for fiscal responsibility unless it applies to their main sponsor, the health care industry.

Posted by: tmferretti | October 28, 2011, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

TMFERRETTI, I am also confused why the conservatives don’t want everyone to buy insurance. As it stands today, uninsured can get free care in emergencies that we all end up paying for, as hospitals are forced to pass those costs on to us who pay.
Can any conservative tell me why everyone shouldn’t pay their fair share by having insurance?
To me, if you own a car, you must have insurance to cover the unexpected. Those who drive without insurance, make my premiums higher.
By the same logic, if you own a body, you should have insurance to cover the unexpected.

Posted by: Lydia | October 28, 2011, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Posted by: tmferretti–The fiscal irresponsibility was letting people get free stuff paid for by others.

Posted by: snewsom2997 | October 28, 2011, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

No one talks about the 500 million chopped from Medicare by this bill. Current care will not be available for Medicare beneficiaries, an insurance program seniors are forced to use, an insurance program they have paid toward all their working lives and is now called an entitlement….like Medicaid which is funded strictly by tax payers. If Obamacare is so great, why are unions lining up for waivers by the hundreds? Reform was needed, but not this massive mess that will deliver more debt, less care and govt control of our lives. More information about what doesn’t work in Canada and Europe should have been reported. There’s no magical free health care without sacrificing quality, innovation and, yes, fairness.

Posted by: p[am | October 28, 2011, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Hogwash Snewsom. Besides, I was talking about those saying government panels would deny them care.

Posted by: Secondlook | October 28, 2011, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

The health care industry and their proxy tea party have done a good job convincing the American people that we ought to go back to the same idiotic heath system we had. The Affordable Health Care Bill is not perfect but it’s at least a start toward sanity. The Congressional budget office says, if we can at least get some people to pay something we will save a lot of money. The republicans are all for fiscal responsibility unless it applies to their main sponsor, the health care industry.

Posted by: tmferretti
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The bad economy certainly propaganda by Republican health care industry. The unemployment rate is 9.1%. Part of the reason is that health care costs are so high as a result that companies have to lay more people off. Many companies have to drop their health care policy altogether.

Not too long ago the nation’s credit rating was lowered because of so much debt due to Obamacare. The lower credit rating certainly isn’t propaganda.

With Obama and his health care plan, wonders never cease.

Posted by: spike | October 28, 2011, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

They are just now beginning to learn what it REALLY does. Of course they are getting unhappy with it now.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | October 28, 2011, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

It’s the deregulation of Insurance companies & banks & wall street that started this mess. Obama tries to fix it. GOP slanders whatever Obama tries to do, which is help the people (that’s his job). Now GOP wants you to deny this medical bill & go back to the way it was 2000-2008 when everything started going south with momentum. Plus it’s about the insurance lobbyist, the medical lobbyist, they want to charge more & more $$$, so either you won’t be able to get your operation, you won’t be able to afford it. And that started right after I started seeing penile erection dysfunction commercials every 15 minutes on TV. GET WALL STREET OUT OF THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY!…let’s help people live , not help wall street make more millions. Some things don’t belong together. So please don’t repeal what Obama did, he worked hard , got no support from GOP.He din’t do it for himself or for wall street , he did it for us , the American people. And what does he get in return? pure hatred coming from people who go to church. I really don’t understand the mindset of our country lately. It’s not Obama’s fault, it’s the reaction to whatever Obama does. It’s those people, they’re gonna bring us all down to nothing.

Posted by: gippy | October 28, 2011, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

Nancy Pelosi said “we have to pass it to see whats in it” . Now that we found out whats in it, we hate it! The law puts low income people on medicaid and offers an average $2,400 a year tax credit that you may claim on your 1040 for past tax year! So you must buy insurance and pay full price for your monthly insurance payments all year! I don’t think the credit is even a refundable tax credit, so if your tax due is say $1,500 that will also be the amount of your Obamacare tax credit! BIG DEAL! Not much help when your paying $12,000 a year for insurance!!! Obamacare is a cruel joke on people who can’t afford to buy insurance, they still can’t afford it!!! THANKS OBAMA! THANKS NANCY! FOR NOTHING!

Posted by: RadioMan77 | October 28, 2011, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

The problem with this poll is who did it,the Kaiser Family foundation,is an extremly right wing org.that get a majority of its funding from the Koch brothers.What is the Republican plan?hurry up and die?

Posted by: a sane txn | October 28, 2011, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

Tmferrett: That is why the president put in that everyone should have insurance so that we don’t pay for those who show up at the hospitals and we pay. Unfortunately many have fought him on this. I dont know if 500 million has been chopped from the Medicare bill…I need to check into this as not everything reported is true as you may have guessed. For those who say we have too much govt. what about the republicans now trying to take rights away from women. This latest bill will not allow a hospital or dr. to treat a woman who is losing her baby through no fault of her own…many people abort because the fetus is not viable but now the republicans want to not allow them to be treated HR 358 I believe it is. So, if a woman is losing her baby, she cannot expect to be treated ..she may have to bleed to death? Also some other republicans are against contraceptives like Santorum who says they interrupt the nature of th ings…so no condems and some are going after the pill…this is real folks…no joke. These beliefs are of a religious nature and should not be allowed to be forced on anyone. People left England for that very reason..the Church of Enland would ot allow anyone to have religious freedom and if all these bills pass…we are losing our freedom to choose…something we fought for 20 years ago. People can believe what they want…just don’t force others to think like you do. By passing bills like these …you are doing just that….so to those who say too much government…it is the republicans who are doing it not anyone else. Government is necessary but they must have b oundries. When you are involved in a flood or fires or anything beyond our control and we are in danger of being killed or losing our homes…that is when we need government and that is when those very same people who cry too much government start yelkling for it. Like Perry…he wanted to do away with Fems…until he had his fires…all of a sudden he was yelling for govt to send Fema. Everything in moderation….is fine.

Posted by: Talmag | October 28, 2011, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

If you’re afraid of Obamacare wait to see what happens when you repeal it. We won’t be able to afford medicine, surgeries, doctors visits….oh, wait, that’s already happened/happening, thus the need for someone to step in & protect the people. That’s what Obama did. And the people returned the favor with hate & derision & division & false accusations & anything they could make up to make Obama fall. Yep that’s the country I’m from. Proud? not sure.

Posted by: gypsyEyes | October 28, 2011, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Thanks president Obama for ending the war and bringing our soldiers home. Especially since we were lied to about getting into it. Funny…there is no anger of th is lie where many have died or were maimed but Bush does not get any flack for it…to me that is one of the worst things he has done and why I left the republican party.

Posted by: talmag | October 28, 2011, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Where have you been, was there ever a man named George Bush who left office when we were losing 1/2 a million jobs a month. Do you not believe we have a republican controlled House that will do nothing until this president is defeated? Did we not have a republican party that turned down a 4 trillion dollar deficit reduction package in favor of a 1.7 trillion dollar reduction? We were downgraded because S&P saw that this Congress is broken and grid locked. We’ll be downgraded again because this stupid committee still won’t get anything done.

Posted by: tmferretti | October 28, 2011, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

TALMAG

We spent 834 billion dollars to get rid of Saddamn Hussein. We spent 1.2 billion getting rid of Kaddafi. The republicans still have the nerve to even talk foreign policy and military issues. They should be embarrassed.

Posted by: tmferretti | October 28, 2011, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Posted by: Secondlook—They have to control costs and they can’t control people, so they will limit what people can get, there will be a government board tasked with determining what amount and level of care is required, that is not what the people want, one way or another healthcare will be rationed, a) by the amount of money you make, b) by what the Insurance companies are willing to pay for, c) by the government deciding what they will pay for. And there is the always popular your Insurance Card doesn’t have to be accepted anywhere. Doctors don’t have to accept payers that underpay, 20% of doctors don’t accept Medicaid period, 50% limit the amount (ration) of medicaid patients they will see, the only thing that stopped Medicare from doing the same thing is the supplemental Insurance.

Posted by: snewsom2997 | October 28, 2011, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

PLEASE AMERICA DONOT LISTEN TO THE LIES,WE ARE DROWNING IN THE EXCESSES OF THE INSURANCE CO.WE MUST SEE HOW THIS LAW PANS OUT! THERE IS PLENTY OF TIME TO REMOVE IT OR CHANGE IT WHAT IS THE HURRY?LETS JUST SEE WHETHER IT IS GOOD OR NOT
GIVE IT A CHANCE THE BIG HURRY SEEMS TO BE COMING FROM INSUANCE CO,& REPUBLICANS,WHY?DO NOT FALL FOR THIER LIES!!! INDEPENDENT.

Posted by: NEIL TOOMEY | October 28, 2011, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Posted by: tmferretti—We spent a few billion killing Sadaam, We spent the rest of the money rebuilding a country for the ungrateful ingrates that live in Iraq.

Posted by: snewsom2997 | October 28, 2011, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Posted by: NEIL TOOMEY—And you can choose not to do business with them, you can choose to save you money and pay for your own healthcare, Oh wait, that’s right you want to spend other people money for your healthcare.

Posted by: snewsom2997 | October 28, 2011, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

Can anyone here name just on thing, one thing that the government has gotten involved in that has worked????????????? With the exception of the military the answer is NOTHING.

Posted by: Zman | October 28, 2011, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

The subsidies for ObamaCare are not what you think! Please keep in mind that the subsidies/tax credits come as an offset against taxes paid when you file your 1040 return. In order to get the credit you must purchase the insurance, pay the premiums, then wait until the following year to get your credit. So if you couldn’t afford to make those monthly premium payments before, you still won’t be able to!!!! Obamacare really does NOTHING to make health insurance more affordable for those living pay check to pay check!!! This was not health care reform, it was a cruel joke played by Democrats to make you think it was!

Posted by: RadioMan77 | October 28, 2011, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

Radioman77, so what you are saying is that people are better off without insurance than getting a tax credit to help them afford it? I guess you’ve never seen a doctor or hospital bill total of someone who didn’t have insurance.
And try to remember that 40,000 Americans die each year because they don’t have any insurance. I’d bet that they would have loved the chance to buy insurance and still be alive.

Posted by: Librarian53 | October 28, 2011, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Told you so. Just wait until you have to provide the IRS with an insurance company name and policy# on your 1040 form. That will be an intersting conversation. Especially with the OWS crowd.

Posted by: newcountryman | October 28, 2011, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

Radioman77: “Nancy Pelosi said “we have to pass it to see whats in it” .” – - – WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. That is NOT the totality of her comment so that is NOT what she meant. Cherry picking her statement to lift a PART of her comment OUT OF CONTEXT to distort the actual meaning of her COPLETE comment is grossly dishonest. Either soeone is distorting her comment to intentionally manufacture a lie OR someone is not smart enough to understand her actual comment OR someone is simply ignorant of the facts. Considering how often I have seen Radioman do exactly the same thing before I am leaning toward option number one – an intentional effort to mislead people. Her complete comment was “we have to pass it to see whats in it away from the fog of the controversy.” Any clear thinking rational person who understands proper grammar and how to contextually interpret language can readily see that she DID NOT mean that passing the bill was the only way to see what is in it.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | October 28, 2011, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

Spike, your comment is blatantly false, as our debt couldn’t be due to the Affordable Care Act because most of its provisions aren’t in effect until 2014! Sheesh.

I can usually tell when a comment will have some lie about the insurance act when they refer to it as ‘Obamacare’. They know that calling it by its real name, the Affordable Care Act would tip off readers as to its reality, a consumer-friendly piece of legislation.

Posted by: Lydia | October 28, 2011, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Posted by: Librarian53—What he is saying is that they have to buy Insurance before they get the tax credit, if they had the money for Insurance in the first place there would be no need for the tax credit. Some how all these people who couldn’t afford Insurance in the past will have to now, regardless of whether they can pay or not, the 1st time. After the 1st time they do get the credit, the trick is to come up with $200-$1000 per month for a year before the government reimburses you.

Posted by: snewsom2997 | October 28, 2011, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

Posted by: Lydia—NO matter what the name is, it Obama’s baby and will hang around his neck like an anchor when it is overturned.

Posted by: snewsom2997 | October 28, 2011, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

The “Affordable Care Act”. What a hoot! An absolute hoot!

Posted by: newcountryman | October 28, 2011, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

ZMAN (2:47 PM), How about….no, that didn’t work. Well, how about….umm I guess that didn’t work either…..I know! How about…..well, there’s always…….Congress?

Posted by: newcountryman | October 28, 2011, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

The polls showed Americans didn’t like it BEFORE it was crammed down their throats!

Posted by: s | October 28, 2011, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

@ZMAN & NEWCOUNTRYMAN , when Obama got elected I found a way to get rid of my debt that accumulated because all the banks were raising my interest rate from 8% to 19% to 29% all FOR NO REASON. I got schooled in having credit card debt,. I saw $8000 debt turn to $15,000, to $30,000 in a blink of an eye, without me using the credit cards anymore. Obama got voted in , soon I found a program that widdled all this APRs to a realk low one. I have now gone from $29,000 in debt to about $12,000 in 3 years. It would of taken me 99 years to pay off thu the banks way. So Obama was a God send to me. I will be debt free in about 1.5 years. That is something I can really cheer about, ESPECAIALLY AFTER FEELING RAPED BY ALL THE BANKS IN 2006, 2007 & 2008. This is fact, but I bet you weren’t really asking if anyone has been helped by Obama. I have. & all I see is newwcountryman complain about obama like it was his hobby. Well people like newcountryman are nothing but old school thinkers. They don’t know how to work with the other side. All they do is complain & play power games. What a fool’s way to live. You guys complaining are really dim in my eyes. Especially newcountreyman, he’s a tune cd. over & over. wow.

Posted by: gypsyEyes | October 28, 2011, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

@NEWCOUNTRYMAN – congress is the problem , stop complaining so much about someone who is working hard for your well being. Aw forget it, I won’t be able to talk truth to such a monotoned individual. gee wiz get something new to say.

Posted by: gippy | October 28, 2011, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

@Librarian53: The projected Obamacare tax credit for a family of 4 is said to average about $2,400 for the year! So thats not much help if your paying $12,000 or more for insurance each year! And yes, I know all to well about medical bills for those without insurance, my rates nearly doubled over the last 2 years and I can no longer afford insurance that does not have huge deductibles that make it useless!

Posted by: RadioMan77 | October 28, 2011, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

NewCOUNTryman sayz -> The “Affordable Care Act”. What a hoot! An absolute hoot! ////yeah new country man ,everytime Obama does something good we should all shout out what a sham it is, how he’s doing it just to get reelected again. My gosh you only know one tune. & it’s horribly out of key. Obama is protecting the people from corruption & you complain. glad u not in my house.

Posted by: scarred | October 28, 2011, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

Gypsyeyes, congrats on paying down your credit card debt. I like the new banking regulations, too. The new Consumer Protection Agency should also do a lot of good.
Republicans don’t understand that when you let any industry rip people off, whether it is banking, or oil or electric companies, you bring the economy down and really hurt individuals and families. Somehow Enron, the Tyco Corporation and the recent banking crisis doesn’t make many Republicans see that their policy goal of deregulation hurts the economy for everyone but a few wealthy individuals.

Posted by: Librarian53 | October 28, 2011, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Radioman77, the tax credit is for those who are going through their state’s mandated insurance pool. The rates should be much less than $12,000 as the large numbers in the pool will garner reduced rates. And I just read that the credit can be paid in advance to the insurance company to help pay your premium.
I hope the Affordable Care Act will help you afford insurance in 2014. No one should be without it, as it makes your assets in danger, as well as it’s very bad for your health. Your $12,000 bill for insurance was so high because insurance companies take 30 to 40% for overhead and profit! That figure will be lowered in 2014 to 15 to 20% with the remainder 80 to 85% of our premiums having to go directly for patients medical bills! This should bring our premiums down or at least keep insurance companies from padding our bills with ceo bonuses, etc.
I really feel bad for you that you don’t have insurance. Hang in there as help is on the way in 2014! :)

Posted by: Librarian53 | October 28, 2011, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

Why not leave the private health care and insurance industries entirely alone? The government runs several very good health care programs–the VA, the miilitary services–that could be slowly and judiciously expanded and opeate independently of the private sector. Over perhaps a decade, first to include immediate families, then dependents, then parents, and finally anyone needing it, and purchas hospitals and hire nurses and medical staff as needed. (Retired physician)

Posted by: Jojo Jones | October 28, 2011, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

Librarian53–”Your $12,000 bill for insurance was so high because insurance companies take 30 to 40% for overhead and profit! That figure will be lowered in 2014 to 15 to 20% with the remainder 80 to 85% of our premiums having to go directly for patients medical bills! This should bring our premiums down or at least keep insurance companies from padding our bills with ceo bonuses, etc..” — I loved the liberal lies.. keep preaching maybe someone will believe it.. First, the limit is currently 35% for OVERHEAD AND PROFIT COMBINED.. which means that companies must pay out 65% of their revenue and use 35% percent to pay their building leases, utilities, permits, employee wages, employee benefits, employee retirements, stock dividends and yes even company management pay and bonuses.. Under the new law, ALL those things will be paid for with only 15% of the total revenue a company receives in premiums.. Most companies operate on a profit margin of less than 10% (which is a great profit, but hardly the 30 or 40% that you claim in your post) About 90% of the money they recieve goes to day to day operations – employee wages, office space, and utilites legal fees, lease held building agreements etc….. Under this plan, the companies are being mandatorily required to REDUCE this operational income by 67% to a total of 15% of the premiums they receive (855 of revenue must go back into the premium payouts)… well if you still have to pay the rent to stay in business, if you still have to pay the bills to stay in business, and if you still have maintain at least a slim profit margin on your stock to stay in business, then I wonder what affect this rule will have??? HUMMM??? Well, you can always LAY off about half your employees..YEAH, that should do it.. Now who said this bill was an economy killer?? DUH??? The bottom line is this.. once this bill kicks in one of two things will happen, either the company will lay off employees it can no longer afford, close down portions of its operations completely, allow its stocks to tank OR RAISE premiums to the point that 15% of the revenue recieved will provide enough revenue to stay in business.. Do you REALLY think that premiums are going DOWN??? Guess again.. this portion of the bill all but FORCES them to GO UP or to force the company to go under.. what do you think the business will choose?

Posted by: arkie vet | October 28, 2011, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

News travels slow. You think after a year of the majority of the nation demanding NOT to pass this health care bill will get to theWhite House, Pelosi and Reid??? Took a year for abc to even put out a real report about the dislike for this bill. Guess it is time to credit abc for catching up with the nations will.

Posted by: Jim Rod | October 28, 2011, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

JOJO–”Why not leave the private health care and insurance industries entirely alone? The government runs several very good health care programs–the VA, the miilitary services–that could be slowly and judiciously expanded and opeate independently of the private sector”— I agree we could let the government expand government run healthcare through the VA.. and everyone could get the same quality of care that the VA provides.. My brother had surgery at the VA.. He was on the waiting list for almost 6 months and then he got to spend two whole days in a VA hospital bed recovering – in the same room as six other people.. Sure, lets do that.. six month waits, no choice of who your doctor is, 6 or 8 people to a room, understaffed, dilapidated facilities.. that would be SO much better than our current system where a whopping 15% of the population does not have insurance… especially considering that of that number (48 million total) – 6 million don’t have coverage because they make over 250K per year and up and can afford to pay out of pocket and choose to do so, another 6 million folks make over 75k and in most cases could afford the premiums but choose to buy other things instead, and additional 11 million don’t make near enough money to afford premiums, BUT they are eligible for medicaid as low income Americans, so technically, they have coverage already.. SO… the total number of Americans who actually “fall through the healthcare cracks” including those with preexisting conditions.. is around 25 million or about 8% of the total populaton.. and for that we have passed a healthcare bill that will destroy 1/6th of the economy and ruin the healthcare benefits of the other 85% of America… WOW.. what a way to go.. maybe you’re right, maybe a substandard VA system for everyone who does not have healthcare WOULD be better that this bill after all…

Posted by: arkie vet | October 28, 2011, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Would one of you republicans explain to me why we should continue to spend huge amounts of money treating our uninsured sick people, when we can save money by making them pay at least a little? If these people had insurance they could go to a doctor and avoid expensive procedures later.

I guarantee you, as a civilized society, unlike the tea party; we will not just let these people die. You republicans always complain you have to pay for the rest of us, why are you so against having those you think are taking your money, pay something.
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Posted by: tmferretti | October 28, 2011, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm

This law was never supported by a majority and had to be rammed through using reconciliation. It’s no wonder people still don’t like it. Wake up lefties!

Posted by: Todd | October 28, 2011, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

One thing that is being left out of the debate is the uninisured. Once they have insurance, the services they recieve will be covered by insurance instead of Medicaid, which basically covers health services. Hospitals wont pass the cost of the unisured to the insured, or write off huge amounts to avoid taxes. Insurance companies also don’t care about controling costs, the entire industry is based on a percent of the claims dollars. Brokers and insurance companies have not interest in controlling costs as that would impact the revenue stream for them.

Posted by: underwriter | October 28, 2011, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

SCARRED–”everytime Obama does something good we should all shout out what a sham it is, how he’s doing it just to get reelected again’– the problem is that many Americans, in fact a MAJORITY of Americans do not think what he is doing is actually GOOD for the country..which is why they shout it down.. Passing a healthcare bill that 605 of America did not agree with is a sham, spending 900 billion on a filure of a stimulus plan and calling it “saving the country form something worse” is a sham, asking for another half trillion in stimulus after the first one failed and saying that republicans are the only one’s who don’t want it is a sham.. Having harry reid refuse to allow a vote on ANY of the 15 republican bills designed to helf the economy and create jobs then CAMPAIGNING that the Republicans are the obstructionists with no ideas of their own is a sham. Saying you are concentrating on job creation with Laser-like focus every six months but never actually DOING anything other then campaigning that its the republicans’s fault is a SHAM.. Maybe people would Stop shouting out against him if he ACTUALLY DID something good.. it worked for Clinton…Only one thing quiets an angry MOB.. results and so far, he hasn’t shown any – at least none that main stream America can get behind…

Posted by: arkie vet | October 28, 2011, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

You never, EVER make people get healthcare insurance! This is the reason that there are no jobs!! GET RID OF OBAMA!!!

Posted by: dashdot | October 28, 2011, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

Title restated: More Americans Grow Brains

Posted by: Ken | October 28, 2011, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

gypsyeyes (3:33 PM); No debt at all. Paid off the mortgage 12 years ago without Obama’s help. Life is good.

Posted by: newcountryman | October 28, 2011, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

Arkie vet, I’ve stated a number of times that the overhead and profits is 30 to 40%. That is very high for glorified paper pushers. ‘Because that is really all the business is about, trying to get doctors and hospitals to work for less, forcing customers to pay higher deductibles and premiums.
Every business needs limits on what they can spend on overhead or the greed and waste sets in like a virus. The health insurance industry has been bankrupting family’s finances and pricing too many folks out of affording insurance because of this lack of internal control on overhead. Thank goodness that the Affordable Care Act passed into law.
40,000 Americans die each year because they lack insurance, I’d say that is a great reason to rein in the bloated overhead of the health insurance industry.

Posted by: Librarian53 | October 28, 2011, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

The truth of the matter is that the majority of the wealthy did not support health care reform and the majority of the uninsured did! The part of the country I live in, like the new health care reforms, and understand that there is always room for adjustments! Before health care reform, cost were sky high and going higher! The rich did not care because they could pay! Polls can be easily structured for the desired effects for the right price!

Analogy: Bush did not win the majority vote initially, but he won the election allegedly!

Posted by: bobbob7779311 | October 28, 2011, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Well, some Americans just hate health care reform versus the reality prior to it! The American health care apparatus should have remained the way it was(conservative view)! It was “Expensive” and out of reach for the lower masses! We conservative Americans would rather foot the bill of the uninsured through higher premiums! How dare President Obama and some democrats attempt to address this issue without the blessings of the corporate masters of the conservative right!

Posted by: bobbob7779311 | October 28, 2011, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

Yeah, let’s repeal Obama care……and replace it with what. How does the GOP propose we curb the cost of health care? Also, what about the uninsured and people denied due to preexisting conditions. We have been hearing for a long time about repealing health care….it’s time we hear a plan for what comes next. The American people are not going to accept the crap about charities and churches picking up the tab because there are too many in need for them to handle.

Posted by: focusonjobs1 | October 28, 2011, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm

“Yeah, let’s repeal Obama care……and replace it with what.”
Posted by: focusonjobs1

How about REAL health care reform!!!! – Obamacare does little to lower the price of insurance! Requires people to buy insurance that many will still be unable to afford because the law forces people to pay all the cost of insurance UP FRONT then offers a simple tax credit once a year! The amount of the tax credit will average about 10% – 20% of your insurance costs up to the amount of taxes due on your 1040. Projected to be a savings of about $2,400 per household. Sounds good until you realize that the cost of insurance is now about $12,000 per household per year!

Posted by: RadioMan77 | October 28, 2011, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

Don’t have to worry about it being repealed. It’s going to be found unconstitutional. That will be the death blow to a dismal administration.

Posted by: allen | October 28, 2011, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

” Only one in five Democrats has a very favorable view of the law.”—-That’s all you need to know. It’s toast…

Posted by: jackson | October 28, 2011, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

Polls be damned! We are the only industrialized nation without universal healthcare and should take no pride in that distinction. If we can afford to spend $300 millions per day in Afghanistan, we can find a way to provide universal healthcare. The misinformation, labels and name calling used by the GOP influences polls. Our main problem is that we no longer have legislators who are guided by integrity; they lead from behind. They know it’s wrong to have millions of uninsured Americans who simply can’t afford the high cost ot care or insurance, but they are watching the polls.

Posted by: CLOTEASBOY | October 28, 2011, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

The truth hurts….doesn’t it?

Posted by: Allen | October 29, 2011, 12:02 am 12:02 am

1 in 5 democrats don’t support it because it doesn’t go far enough. Like all good compromises, no one is happy and the longer they think about it, the less they like it. Every other country has some form of organized health care delivery system but we insist on living in choas and disarray so a handful of healthy young conservatives can carry around cards in their wallets that they believe will get them care when they need it. NEWSFLASH: if you get seriously ill, the insurance company is DUMPING your butt!

Posted by: Lovebugs | October 29, 2011, 12:40 am 12:40 am

We do not need the interference of worthless government bureaucrats between those that need their health cared for and those that are able to provide that care. It is bad enough that we have worthless insurance company personnel sticking their noses into the doctor/patient relationship.

Posted by: John Locke | October 29, 2011, 12:58 am 12:58 am

what else can you expect from a population when 47% of them believe in ghosts, over 50% believe in creationism or “intelligent design,” one-third believe in a literal interpretation of the bible, and more than 2/3 of Republicans still don’t believe President Obama is a Christian, American citizen? talk about “when you wish upon a star” overcoming reason and rationality.

Posted by: bajacalla | October 29, 2011, 1:09 am 1:09 am

so I’m guessing that the conservatives who don’t support health care reform align themselves with the objections of those progressives who don’t: it’s not comprehensive enough, it’s not single-payer, and the damned insurance companies still get their finger in the pie. if you’re a conservative and you don’t agree, then stop trying to use progressive arguments to support your own bias – remember, you idiots thought George W. Bush wasn’t conservative enough.

Posted by: bajacalla | October 29, 2011, 1:12 am 1:12 am

Lovebugs (12:40 AM); “1 in 5 democrats don’t support it because it doesn’t go far enough.” Ah, no. Only one in five “support it”. Also my congradulation to those who feel Obama is saving them from themselves like Gippy and Gypsyeyes.

Posted by: newcountryman | October 29, 2011, 8:03 am 8:03 am

“President Obama is a Christian, American citizen? talk about “when you wish upon a star” overcoming reason and rationality.——–Not to mention the loony 45% of democrats who think that 911 was an inside job!

Posted by: jonny | October 29, 2011, 9:37 am 9:37 am

John Locke: “We do not need the interference of worthless government bureaucrats between those that need their health cared for and those that are able to provide that care. It is bad enough that we have worthless insurance company personnel sticking their noses into the doctor/patient relationship.” – - – Evidence? Please cite the relevant passages from the law that will necessarily cause that to happen. And the way you are stereotyping all government employees as “worthless government bureaucrats” – that is pathetic and shameful and nothing but another example of ignorantly immoral thinking. Why do conservatives have that pathological need for so much judgmental hatefulness toward so many groups that are different from them?

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | October 29, 2011, 10:35 am 10:35 am

POSTED BY: B-K KNIGHTRIDER | OCTOBER 29, 2011, 10:35 AM———-As a previous poster pointed out. The truth hurts….

Posted by: wact1 | October 29, 2011, 10:50 am 10:50 am

(R) 2012 RICK PERRY White House: This Mitt Romney really is a Barack Obama’s mirror, especially Obama-Romney’s ObaMneyCare is UNACCEPTABLE to Republican Party. * NOW, Republicans have our 2012 Republican Nominee Hopeful RICK PERRY’s “Flat Tax” proposal, we welcome the Senior Citizens will speak out how much they like or dislike the RICK PERRY’s “NO TAX” on Social Security benefit; AARP and the Senior Citizens’ state of Florida are welcomed to input their thought HOW HELPFUL the RICK PERRY’s “Flat Tax” can effect them … Republicans DON’T need to know the fat cat and the Massachusetts’ Lobster can rebuild our American economy, but HOW the RICK PERRY settle the Canada’s Keystone XL pipeline construction project, the Republicans WILL ONLY contract to use Made-in-USA steel pipelines, “NO” Keystone XL contract built with “Made-in-China” (steel) materials.

Posted by: chankawah | October 29, 2011, 10:53 am 10:53 am

The majority of this country has been against this healthcare. Always, right from the get go. It is also proof positive that Obama lied about his transparency and they way this thing got rammed through, ‘have to pass it to find out what’s in it’.

Anyone voting for an incumbant democrat member of congress and Obama this next election, seriously needs their head examined.

Posted by: ang | October 29, 2011, 11:02 am 11:02 am

newcountryman: “Also my congradulation to those who feel Obama is saving them from themselves like Gippy and Gypsyeyes.” – - – WRONG. We don’t feel like we need to have President Obama or the government save us from ourselves. We need the government to provide us with some protections from the immoral business people who would kill more of us at the drop of a hat and without blinking an eye if they could make a little MORE profit (often record profits) than the profit they are ALREADY making. And us = the authentic people who work for them, buy their products, live next to them, live downstream from them, and live downwind from them – you know, the 99%. We need the government to provide us with some protections from the immoral business people who would maim and injure more of us at the drop of a hat and without blinking an eye if they could make a little MORE profit (often record profits) than the profits they are already making. And us = the authentic people who work for them, buy their products, live next to them, live downstream from them, and live downwind from them – you know, the 99%. We need the government to provide us with some protections from the immoral business people who would give more of us cancer and other diseases at the drop of a hat and without blinking an eye if they could make a little MORE profit (often record profits) than the profits they are already making. And us = the authentic people who work for them, buy their products, live next to them, live downstream from them, and live downwind from them – you know, the 99%. We need the government to provide most of us with some protections from the other groups who are willing to cause the rest of us physical or financial harm because of their collective behavior that is immoral and/or irresponsible. Conservatives love to whine about individual responsibility. Well, what about collective responsibility? What about holding groups, say smokers for one example, collectively responsible as a group for the consequences of their behavior? How about holding irresponsible groups ACCOUNTABLE for the financial consequences of their collective group behavior? For example, slapping something like a $5 per pack tax on each pack of cigarettes would be a responsibility and accountability tax, not a sin tax.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | October 29, 2011, 11:03 am 11:03 am

This hasn’t been a popular decision from the start but it got rammed down our throats anyway. One way or another this piece of crap legislation is on its way out. The majority will rule.

Posted by: william | October 29, 2011, 11:12 am 11:12 am

wact1: “As a previous poster pointed out. The truth hurts.” – - – ROFL. Learn to read. I was judgmental about the stereotyping behavior, not the person. I am always judgmental about bigotry and rabid intollerance that is the result of ignorant stereotyping. I am also judgmental about hypocrisy. And lying. And intellectual dishonesty. And fallacious/poor thinking – REGARDLESS of whether I catch a liberal or conservative doing any of the above. I just happen to catch far more conservatives doing those things.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | October 29, 2011, 11:15 am 11:15 am

ANG: “It is also proof positive that Obama lied about his transparency and they way this thing got rammed through, ‘have to pass it to find out what’s in it’ – - – Radioman77: “Nancy Pelosi said “we have to pass it to see whats in it” .” – – – Actually this is only proof of someone’s own intellectual dishonesty because this out of context characterization of Pelosi’s comment is WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. That was NOT the totality of her comment and so that is NOT what she meant. Cherry picking her statement to lift a PART of if OUT OF CONTEXT to distort the actual meaning of her COPLETE comment to make it appear as if she meant that the only way anyone could read the bill was to pass it is grossly dishonest. Someone is either distorting her comment to intentionally manufacture a lie OR someone is not smart enough to understand her actual comment OR someone is simply ignorant of the facts about her complete comment and its meaning in its full context. Her complete comment was “we have to pass it to see whats in it away from the fog of the controversy.” Any clear thinking rational person who understands proper grammar and how to contextually interpret language can readily see that she DID NOT mean that passing the bill was the only way to see what is in it. See WACT1, this is precisely the kind of intellectual dishonest behavior about which I am very judgmental.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | October 29, 2011, 11:24 am 11:24 am

B-K Knightrider; Anyone fawning over Obama reducing your monthly credit card payment when you carry a $12,000 balance month after month is irresponsible.

Posted by: newcountryman | October 29, 2011, 11:24 am 11:24 am

this is precisely the kind of intellectual dishonest behavior about which I am very judgmental.

POSTED BY: B-K KNIGHTRIDER | OCTOBER 29, 2011, 11:24 AM……I don’t recall you calling out Tina Fey and other posters in here over misquoting Palin. The hypocrisy from you and others on the left is no surprise to anyone

Posted by: frank | October 29, 2011, 11:40 am 11:40 am

NEWCOUNTRYMAN: “B-K Knightrider; Anyone fawning over Obama reducing your monthly credit card payment when you carry a $12,000 balance month after month is irresponsible.” – - – ROFL. And yet another example of intellectual dishonesty. When and where have I done anything of the kind? Where have I fawned over President Obama about ANYTHING in this thread? The only thing I have done in this thread is counter incorrect, false, and fallacious comments people have made. Please provide a relevant quote that necessarily supports what you are implying about me. Since I have NEVER made any comment of any kind about that particular topic you must have accidentally confused me with someone else because surely you would not intentionally make a false statement about anyone.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | October 29, 2011, 11:41 am 11:41 am

Ok, republicans, you don’t like the Affordable Health Care Bill. What would you like to see? Keep the same insane system we now have and go broke? What would you do?

I know the republicans wanted tort reform; President Obama is open to it. Not me, if a doctor cuts off my right leg off when the left one is the problem I need to be able to sue his a___. If you really want tort reform have the complainant have to pay court costs, lawyer’s fees and a penalty to the defendant id the law suit is fraudulent or thrown out. Not just for doctors but for everyone.

Posted by: tmferretti | October 29, 2011, 11:45 am 11:45 am

B-KKnightrider (11:41 am); I was not refering to you. I was refering to another poster you appeared to be defending in your 11:03 am comment.

Posted by: newcountryman | October 29, 2011, 11:50 am 11:50 am

POSTED BY: TMFERRETTI | OCTOBER 29, 2011, 11:45 AM Ok, republicans, you don’t like the Affordable Health Care Bill=====So from that article you surmised that all those opposing the healthcare law are repubs? LOL.. Reading comprehension is not one of your strong points is it? Why don’t you ask the independents and the democrats?

Posted by: jackson | October 29, 2011, 11:58 am 11:58 am

NEWCOUNTRYMAN: “B-KKnightrider (11:41 am); I was not refering to you. I was refering to another poster you appeared to be defending in your 11:03 am comment.” – - – Ah ha. I see. That makes sense. I apologize for implying you were intentionally being dishonest about the meaning of my comments. I was not defening anyone’s comments. I was criticizing/refuting someone’s comment.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | October 29, 2011, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

TMFerretti: You are right about the money spent but more important are the lives lost or people maimed for life. The republicans should hang their heads in shame because of this war which they now feel we should continue. Pres. Bush said in his book ..”war is good for the counry.” Anyone who believes that like McCain is stupid and foolish. Ask the soldiers who lost a limb or the families of those who died. This was a needless war which we were lied into by Bush and yet yesterday M. Bachman goes on CNN and blames Pres. Obama for all the deaths and chaos of this war and forgets that it ws Bush who took us into it with lies. The republicans know this was a bad war and are trying to put it on the back of Pres. Obama but this is wrong. The financial cost and the loss of lives belongs to Bush/Cheney…no one else. Pres. Obama is doing the right thing by ending it and furthermore what Bachman does not remember or never knew …it was Bush who created the timeline to being them home and signed a pledge to the Iraqi govt. Pres. Obama is doing what is the right thing especially since they will not guarantee immunity or safety for the soldiers. The rep. answer to this is he did not negotiate well enough…well. guys …it is time to come home and let the families have a good holiday for a change. She and the republican party do not give this president any credit for killing the three most dangerous men on the planet…Bin Laden, Alkari and was instramential in getting Gadafi…..is that not good enough for the republicans…who did they catch? His administration has also killed or captured the most terrorists who want to hurt us so what is their problem? He is our president…of the entire United States and deserves praise even if he is not one of your party…he is our president and in this regard has done an outstanding job. It must really be killing the republicans.

Posted by: talmag | October 29, 2011, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

JACSKSON: “So from that article you surmised that all those opposing the healthcare law are repubs? LOL.. Reading comprehension is not one of your strong points is it? Why don’t you ask the independents and the democrats?” – - – Reading comprehension is not your strong point either. TMFERRETTI did not state or imply that Republicans are the only ones opposing the healthcare law, nor that all of the people who appose it are necessarliy Republican. Since Republicans have been the MOST VOCAL opponents, and statistically MOST opponents are in fact Republican, TMFERRETTI was merely challenging them to provide an effective alternative that is BETTER than what we have now AND is also better than the healthcare law.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | October 29, 2011, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

B-K KNIGHTRIDER | OCTOBER 29, 2011, 12:05 PM=====I didn’t ask you.

Posted by: jackson | October 29, 2011, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

Jackson: I marched in Georgia for the affordable health care act. and I am an Independent. The alternative to this bill is insurance companies control our lives once again. With this bill you will not be thrown off when you get sick and if you have a lifelong disease like diabetes…you will be able to get coverage..unlike what has been going on. The alternative to not having it is a bad one cost wise and in any other area. Yes, we will have to make some adjustments as all new bills do but without it our medical lives are no longer in our control. I watched my daughter fight cancer and her insurance company and I never want to see another person go through this. I met a woman whose 8 yr old daughter when she developed childhood diabetes was thrown off her husband’s insurance immediately. She had a tough time finding someone to cover her and when she did it costs hundreds of dollars per month. This will be no more and it is too bad it is taking so long to go into effect but that was another concession made to the republicans so they now have more time to defeat it. Unless you have experienced the tricks and trials of watching someone you love go through what I did…you will never understand. But take it from me…this health care plan is certainly better than what I watched.

Posted by: talmag | October 29, 2011, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

JACKSON

That was the response I expected, you republicans have no ideas about health care reform. I have not seen one post from republicans with any solutions or ideas. The remind of those kind of people who refuse to get their hands dirty on a job then just sit around and criticize those that do.

Posted by: tmferretti | October 29, 2011, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

Republicans

Mitt Romney is going to be your candidate. What’s he going to do when he has to face President Obama and 50,000,000 older Americans who already think he’s an idiot for referring to Medicare and Social Security as an entitlement? He can’t use his Massachusetts plan for ideas, he’s already repudiated it. Like the republicans on this blog, he has no ideas.
plan for ideas, he’s already repudiated it. Like the republicans on this blog, he has no ideas..

Posted by: tmferretti | October 29, 2011, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

JACKSON: “B-K KNIGHTRIDER | OCTOBER 29, 2011, 12:05 PM=====I didn’t ask you.” – - – That is irrelevant. Anyone who posts fallacious, dishonest, or false comments/ideas on a public forum deserves to have ANYONE criticize, counter, and/or refute them, especially those of us who are able to explain why the comments/ideas are fallacious, dishonest, and/or false.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | October 29, 2011, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

“The alternative to this bill is insurance companies control our lives once again.”
I don’t know what the profit margins are for Insurance companies, I hear that it is 6 0r 7% which is considered low in comparison to Google, Apple and others but to some that they make any money is evil.

The company I am employed by is self insured but an insurance company handles the claims. For years our rates remained steady when others were being charged more and now they have actually dropped the past few years and the coverage is better. We are encouraged to eat well and exercise [there are wellness programs] and we are encouraged to always keep our coverage which means one may have to chose between a new Iphone or their insurance policy.

When people need help we all should be willing to help but taking the bitter pill of a Government fix should concern all of us.

Posted by: david | October 29, 2011, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

DAVID

You’re correct, the health insurance companies are second only to the oil companies in profits.

Posted by: tmferretti | October 29, 2011, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

The confederacy of dunces (tea party) is controlled and funded by the health insurance industry, Koch brothers and Grover Norquist. That’s why they have 5,000 separate groups. They don’t want anyone to know where their funding comes from. They will never do anything against the interests of the health insurance industry. I’ll bet if someone would question the organizers of these tea party rallies, they’d find out they are PR men who work for the insurance companies.

Posted by: tmferretti | October 29, 2011, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

David, it isn’t just the profit margins but the high overhead the health insurance companies run. For years they have had no reason to control their overhead, thus spending 30 to 40% of premiums collected on overhead and profit. That is way too much of our money not going for healthcare.
The Affordable Care Act has a provision that starts in 2014, that will legislate that insurance companies spend 80 to 85% of all premiums collected on actual medical bills for their customers, leaving them with 15 to 20% for overhead and profit. This is why the insurance industry is fighting the Affordable Care Act with millions of dollars. They don’t want the gravy train to end.

Posted by: Librarian53 | October 29, 2011, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

Reading these anti-Obama comments is like reading scripts from right wing talk shows; no actual logic or facts, just misinformation with a foregoned conclusion that whatever Obama does or says is to be rejected. These are the traits of bigotry, complete with double standards. Note that they NEVER respond to the fact that the GOP is rejecting proposals that they once supported all for the sake of making Obama appear to be incompetent. They refer to his work as a Community Organizer but never the fact that he is an expert on constitutional law i.e. a former Harvard professor and head of the Harvard Law Review. These are deliberate acts of misinformation and proof the GOP’s priority is not the welfare of our nation. McConnell said it best when he stated that their number one goal is making Obama a one-term president. You can’t have two priorities. Decent Republicans of good conscience need to take a stand and stop acting like high school kids whose main concern is being popular or what people think about them. Millionaire legislators can protect the future of their relatives and their kids. What about the rest of us who are now being stretched to the limit just trying to afford the basic needs of life? They simply don’t care. To them, it’s all about making the black man in the WH appear to be a failure. WAKE UP AMERICA ! !

Posted by: CLOTEASBOY | October 30, 2011, 1:12 am 1:12 am

Of course many Americans are disappointed with the current Health Care Reform. It is the 1990′s Republican plan. Half-measures diluted with other half-measures.

Posted by: mike | October 30, 2011, 8:37 am 8:37 am

Of course many Americans are disappointed with the current Health Care Reform. It is the 1990′s Republican plan. Half-measures diluted with other half-measures.

POSTED BY: MIKE | OCTOBER 30, 2011, 8:37 AM=====This piece of crap law is the Democrats baby. No Repubs voted for this law. Nice try at the spin.

Posted by: allen | October 30, 2011, 10:30 am 10:30 am

Cloteasboy (1:12 AM); “Note that they NEVER respond to the fact that the GOP is rejecting proposals that they once supported all for the sake of making Obama appear to be incompetent.” No, the Democrats are tagging targeted spending to every bill that heads to Harry Ried’s Senate knowing they can’t get a majority vote from any Republicans. They’re doing it deliberately. Wake up!!!

Posted by: newcountryman | October 30, 2011, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Cloteasboy; Snap out of it! The notion that Repubs should support any proposals that the co-opted leadership supported is a red herring. The TEA Party, indeed the vast majority of Americans have awakened to the reality of the RINO leadership contingent (McConnell, etc) as simply commie puke gradualists when compared to Obama. Obamacare would not be an issue if traitorous lib hack and war(drobe) horse Olympia Snowe (R-ME) had not voted it out of congressional committee. Obama wouldn’t be president today had co-opted traitorous lib hack John McCain (R-AZ) presented a clear conservative Repub message. There are cemetaries all over the world filled with true Americans who refused to bargain or strike deals limiting freedom with commie pukes (like Obama) after we were attacked in WW2. I, FOR ONE, WILL NOT LET THEIR SACRIFICE BE IN VAIN

Posted by: Pinky | October 30, 2011, 11:03 am 11:03 am

Odd to see ABC report this where are all the spin misters?

Posted by: daniel | October 30, 2011, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

If you voted for Obama, Next time think before you vote.

Posted by: billy bob | October 30, 2011, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

There are many reasons that the health insurance industry is fighting, The Affordable Care Act. First let me say; health care should never be a for profit business. The health insurance industry want to continue banning people with pre-existing conditions, they want to be able to cancel people’s insurance when they are facing expensive life-threatening illnesses. But the principal reason takes place in 2014. Starting then, insurance companies will have to spend 80 to 85% of all premiums we pay on actual medical bills for patients. This will limit them to 15 to 20% for overhead and profit. Compare that with Medicare with a 4% overhead. This fight against the health care bill is all about greed, not about sick people getting proper care. So the insurance industry has spent a lot of money spreading lies and half-truths to try to kill the bill. They believe that if you tell a big lie enough times people will believe it if you repeat it enough. They have adopted this tactic as they continue their reign of terror on the American people.

Posted by: T Trump | October 30, 2011, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

Google “Capps Law” its a Ticking Time Bomb Inside Obamacare. Anyone who voted for Obamacare should be voted out of office.

Posted by: discreettool | October 30, 2011, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

This tax-paying & voting American is a strong supporter of the Affordable Health Car Act. Mr. Obama was insightful to get going on the hardest problems early on. He’s taken a lot of heat for making this a legislative priority & it wasn’t pretty, but he got ‘er done. The health care industry is 40% of this Nation’s economy, and its cost structure is out of control & unsustainable. Better to at least try to move the needle – against the monied interests and toward the common good. The GOP’s “free enterprise knows best” approach only propagates the flaws of the current for-profit racket. Free enterprise does know best how keep the rich getting richer, but that is their goal. Showing compassion for the poor & working people isn’t in their plans.

Posted by: Ed Widder | October 30, 2011, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

This tax-paying & voting American is a strong supporter of the Affordable Health Car Act POSTED BY: ED WIDDER | OCTOBER 30, 2011, 3:28 PM++++LOL….not according to all the polls..

Posted by: jackie | October 30, 2011, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

(excerpt) The economy and jobs are the top priority issue for most Americans, a majority of whom – 71 percent – think the Congress and president are paying “too little attention” to those issues.
(comment) Idiots! If you don’t have access to affordable healthcare…..(all of you are smart, fill in the rest). Oh yeah, give me a job. Most jobs don’t provide benefits. (being sarcastic) But who cares. I’d rather live my life like a teenager, believing that I’m invincible and that nothing will happen to me. Sell this crap (poll) to someone else. The people are smarter than that.

Posted by: LM | October 30, 2011, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

@Ed Widder….Obama wasted 18 months on this HC bill when he should of put JOBS first! He wanted so bad to be the ONLY President to pass a HC bill that he forgot that AMERICANS have to have a JOB to pay for it. The polls were against this bill when it was passed and there is more against it now, and that is Democrats losing faith in it. It was bad enough he spent all that time on this bill, but then the bill DOES NOT even do anything about the exploding cost of medical.. it just keeps climbing along with everyone’s Insurance premiums.. what is it.. 18,000 a year is the average family of 4? I agree with what someone up above said, the Misinformation on the right.. yea.. there is a lot of it.. just as there are a lot on the left that can get off their hard core left soapbox and think for themselves and see this HC bill is not what it should be. We Americans are being screwed by politicians.. Repubs and Dems and until we stop defending the stupidity coming out of DC and take control of who we put there, we are going to keep getting screwed.

Posted by: anotherday | October 30, 2011, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

Killing the bill will only help Obama. The economy and job growth would soar if this bill is stopped. Over 1,300 waivers have been issued to various companies from McDonalds to small resturants which tells you companies can not afford the costs of Obamacare. Unfortunately I was unable to obtain one and shut down my company instead of having to pay $40,000 a month to Obama which I could not afford. I was only a small business person employing 40 people I could imagine the costs to big companies.

Posted by: J Herrera | October 30, 2011, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

ObamaCare was front-loaded with the items that the Democrat’s believed would be the most popular. It appears few have been impressed. The real fun begins in 2014, when the less attractive aspects of the plan are conveniently planned to start after the next presidential election.

Posted by: free_2_choose | October 30, 2011, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

Just goes to show that weak dem support of the law allows the insurance industry to buy bad press and erode its foundation. My only gripe with the law is that it didn’t go nearly far enough and put in single payer. Till that happens I will have an unfavorable view of the law. I wonder how many other are just like me on the issue.

Posted by: Moby49 | October 31, 2011, 8:02 am 8:02 am

I really don’t understand why anyone with health insurance would be against this law. I have health insurance and NOTHING has changed for me except now my son (who is now 22) gets to stay on my health insurance AT NO EXTRA COST. He was cut off at 19 and I was paying an extra $400 a month to insure him, but when the law passed, Blue Cross put him back on my insurance at no extra cost. They even put him back on a month earlier than the law passed. This law saves me $400 a month.

Stay away from my ObamaCare!

Posted by: Sandy | October 31, 2011, 8:35 am 8:35 am

My insurance has gone up three times since this law has been passed. Obamacare sucks

Posted by: jack | October 31, 2011, 8:44 am 8:44 am

Just as I thought, the republicans complain about the Affordable Health Care bill, but I have not seen any of them propose a solution to our out of control health care system on this blog.

Here’s one. Several countries in the world (including Israel) pay for the education of doctors and nurses out right, no loans. The catch is they have to give six years back to the government. They work in neighborhood clinics where people in the neighborhood go for minor problems, cold, cuts, scraps, etc. If the problem is more serious they are sent to a hospital, also staffed mostly by doctors and nurses who are paying back there obligation. Health care costs the government virtually nothing.

This would never work here; the health insurance industry would go crazy, supported by the confederacy of dunces’ tea party.

Posted by: tmferretti | October 31, 2011, 9:16 am 9:16 am

Conservative, your health insurance cost going up,”three times since health care reform” was a direct result of your state insurance representative allowing the cost to go higher! Insurance companies have to get your state approval to raise your premiums! I would not be surprise if your state is a red state, though!

Posted by: bobbob7779311 | November 8, 2011, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

What do you think about the idea of letting the Governor of each state figure out a Health Care Progam for their people and how to get their unemployed citizens back to work? Let Congress figure and pass bills for all the other problems. Carol

Posted by: Carol Enney | January 2, 2012, 2:26 am 2:26 am

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