Rick Perry Agrees With Wife, He Has Been Brutalized for Christian Faith

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I spoke to a feisty Rick Perry this morning who said he agreed with his wife’s comments that his campaign has been “brutalized” because of his Christianity and Perry came out of the gates attacking Herman Cain’s now famous 9-9-9 plan.
“I’ll stand by my wife. I think she’s right on both cases. My understanding is that she said I’m the most conservative candidate in the race and ‘he’s a Christian.’ So I haven’t got anything I can add to that and she’s hit me on my mark both times there,” Perry said on “GMA.”
While campaigning for her husband in South Carolina Anita Perry said “We are being brutalized by our opponents and our own party. So much of that is, I think they look at him because of his faith. He’s the only true conservative. Well, there are some conservatives. And they’re there for good reasons.”
But while the Perrys claim unfair treatment because of religion, their opponents argue that’s exactly what Perry supporter Robert Jeffress has done.
Shortly after endorsing the Texas Governor, Pastor Jeffress’ told reporters that Mormonism – the religion of two other presidential candidates – is a “cult.”
“I have a lot of people that endorse me but I don’t endorse what they say or what they believe for that matter and that’s the case on this one. I can’t control those individuals who go out and say something who may be for me in a race,” Perry said.
“Look, I’m not going to say that he can’t say what he wants to say. The issue is, are we going to tell people what they can say and I’m not going to be one of those. This is a country where we truly have freedom of expression. And they are going to be people who say things about me, probably going to be people that say things about President Obama that are offensive to him and his family,” he said. “But those folks who say those things are going to be the ones that you need to be asking the questions to.”
Today Perry, who has dropped significantly in the polls, will release the first part of his economic plan. He’ll argue that if we tap into our own resources such as “opening up those federal lands and water,” cutting back on regulations and rebuilding the Environmental Protection Agency, we can create 1.2 million new jobs.
His economic plan will go up against Mitt Romney’s 59 point proposal and Herman Cain’s now famous “9-9-9″ plan. But Perry, who has been close to mum on Cain’s plan, today criticized his opponent.
Anita Perry said 9-9-9 made her want to “call 9-1-1″ – and the governor said that’s “pretty close to hitting the spot.”
“That other nine is a nine percent increase on our senior citizens, on their social security tax. Once this really gets looked at, sounds pretty cool to just say 9-9-9, but at the end of the day it is a big tax increase on some people out there that vote, that care, and I think it’s going to be tough sledding for 9-9-9,” he said.
Perry said Americans are looking for a president who “really knows how to create jobs, not somebody who has a catchy slogan.”
–George Stephanopoulos

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Perry panders to the evangelical right and he uses this as an excuse for why he is doing poorly? He introduces his candidacy in a long winded speech before an evangelical convention peppered with religious terminology and references and he uses this for an excuse for why he is doing poorly? He and his pastor try to run roughshod over Romney for his Mormon faith and now Perry has the temerity to use this as an excuse for why he is doing poorly? Message to Perry: You’re doing poorly because you cannot debate, because your boasts of being a job creator have been shot through, because your record speaks loudly against you, because you have come up whit no valid ideas or plans and because you run on your faith then complain that is how people see you.
Posted by: George | October 14, 2011, 9:01 am 9:01 am
This is such a hit piece. Perry didn’t agree about being “brutalized” for being a Christian. He said he agreed with his wife that he’s the most conservative and IS a christian. What classless reporting.
Posted by: COME ON | October 14, 2011, 9:07 am 9:07 am
Perry is not being brutalized for having faith. Perry is being brutalized for using faith as a reason for excluding groups. That speaking engagement that Perry attended a few months back. A couple of the core tenets of that evangelical group are that women are second class citizens as are non-evangelical christians. Hmmm, That means if you are not male and do not belong to the same religious affiliation then you are a second class citizen. That encompasses some 75% of the population. The USA is a secular republic, the USA is not a christian nation. The majority of the population is christian, our sprit is christian, but the entity of the USA is secular.
“It was a Western European civilization that had broken free from the last traces of Empire and Christendom; and it had not a vestige of monarchy left, and no State Religion… The absence of any binding religious tie is especially noteworthy. It had a number of forms of Christianity, its spirit was indubitably Christian; but, as a State document of 1796 expicity declared: ‘The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.’” H.G. Wells
Posted by: raggmopp | October 14, 2011, 9:20 am 9:20 am
“Rick Perry Agrees With Wife, He Has Been Brutalized for Christian Faith”
Well it’s your own fault, Mitt. You are not the right ‘flavor’ of Christian, for the hard-Right evangelicals. Either get yourself a thicker skin, or become an evangelical Christian. Because THAT crowd believes in ‘freedom of religion’ ONLY if that religion is theirs…………
Posted by: Searambler | October 14, 2011, 9:21 am 9:21 am
“Rick Perry Agrees With Wife, He Has Been Brutalized for Christian Faith”
Well it’s your own fault, Mitt. You are not the right ‘flavor’ of Christian, for the hard-Right evangelicals. Either get yourself a thicker skin, or become an evangelical Christian. Because THAT crowd believes in ‘freedom of religion’ ONLY if that religion is theirs………..
Posted by: Searambler | October 14, 2011, 9:21 am 9:21 am
It was George Stephanopoulos who coined the “brutalized” descriptor, not Perry.
Posted by: newcountryman | October 14, 2011, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Perry didn’t agree about being “brutalized” for being a Christian. He said he agreed with his wife that he’s the most conservative and IS a christian. Posted by: COME ON | October 14, 2011, 9:07 am.
From the article:
“While campaigning for her husband in South Carolina Anita Perry said “We are being brutalized by our opponents and our own party. So much of that is, I think they look at him because of his faith.” — Did you even bother to read the article?!?!?
Posted by: Searambler | October 14, 2011, 9:24 am 9:24 am
It is obvious that this reporting and what actually was said by Gov. Perry is just another biased report of Gov. Perry. When is our media and you George Stephanopoulos, going to stop sneaking in your own agenda into the actual report. We are not ignorant…..and we can hear and read. Shame on you George!
Posted by: patricia carroll | October 14, 2011, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Sea; Where did “Mitt” come into this? I get your point, but it was a rather circumvented route to get there.
Posted by: newcountryman | October 14, 2011, 9:26 am 9:26 am
you know people wouldn’t have a problem if we didn’t have to hear about his preferences about religion, all the time. this is why our country is so polarized and whether the fact is true or not, the perry’s need to recognize this truth that people truly believe in a separation of church and state and this is totally what is wrong with our politics. could be that some politicians will get their way someday and really try to shove their choice of religion down everyone’s throats and control everyone and then it will be a repeat of just why people left great britain in the first place…so that religion wouldn’t be forced on them…why can’t they see this? because their arrogance just won’t let them. that is why people are sick and tired of their tilt in reality…it has nothing to do with our economy, our freedoms our charitable attitude…it is they want to force their preference of religion on the country…
they suck!!
Posted by: hemnebob | October 14, 2011, 9:26 am 9:26 am
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a WALL of SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
Perhaps Rick Perry and his wife haven’t heard of Thomas Jefferson because the church leaders in TexASS have been successful in eliminating Jefferson from school textbooks.
Posted by: Matt | October 14, 2011, 9:44 am 9:44 am
With the daily tactics of politicians to lie, cheat and steal, how can anyone justify a connection between religion and politics? They are antagonistic, they are oxymora. If there is a politician touting religious credentials then be very afraid as most of these so-called “religious” politicians will surely lie, cheat and steal our way of life.
We humans have been gifted with the ability to think, to decide, to reason. We are rational beings. To be subservient and submissive is irrational. To the religious fanatics who think they must be ‘subservient’ to be a good christian, you are being irrational and you are insulting your god.
Perry’s religious fanaticism mirrors the country’s inability to comprehend the depth of evil to which individuals and communities may sink when they try to play the role of God in history. “There is no greater human presumption than to read the mind of the Almighty, and no more dangerous individual than the one who has convinced himself that he is executing the Almighty’s will.” Reinhold Neibuhr.
Posted by: raggmopp | October 14, 2011, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Sea; Where did “Mitt” come into this? I get your point, but it was a rather circumvented route to get there. Posted by: newcountryman | October 14, 2011, 9:26 am.
LOL! My bad. A complete brain freeze occurred. I need more coffee…………
Posted by: Searambler | October 14, 2011, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Sea; I listened to the video. After reading the story I guess he “agrees”.
Posted by: newcountryman | October 14, 2011, 9:50 am 9:50 am
“We are being brutalized by our opponents and our own party. So much of that is, I think they look at him because of his faith. He’s the only true conservative.” ~~~~~~~~~~ ‘Conservative’ is a POLITICAL IDEOLOGY, not a religion.
Posted by: Minorkey1 | October 14, 2011, 10:04 am 10:04 am
‘Conservative’ is a POLITICAL IDEOLOGY, not a religion.
Posted by: Minorkey1 | October 14, 2011, 10:04 am.
Like that matters to Republicans. To them, they’re interchangeable………..
Posted by: Searambler | October 14, 2011, 10:17 am 10:17 am
What makes him think anyone wants to hear his personal religious beliefs?? UNREAL
Posted by: George | October 14, 2011, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Smirking Rick Perry’s wife is now whining about the way she and her husband are being treated by the media because of their religious beliefs. According to her, the only reason her husband is running for president was because she received a direct message from God that he ought to run and it was her insistence that caused him to enter the race. Why does she not ask her God why her husband has now plunged in the polls, and why Rick is now being beaten easily by a man with the unfortunate Biblical name of Cain. Could it be some sort of retribution for all those executions Rick approved of that God is now tactfully telling him and his wife that they were wrong.
Posted by: Joe Fisher | October 14, 2011, 10:22 am 10:22 am
About George Stephanopoulos: A clinton operative and democrat talking head..completly non biased (snickers)
Posted by: Obama OWNS it | October 14, 2011, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Mr. Perry likes to tout how many jobs he has created as governor of Texas and says that Americans are looking for a president who “really knows how to create jobs, not somebody who has a catchy slogan.” But a big part of the Republican (and conservative) philosophy is that government doesn’t create jobs! What hypocrisy.
Posted by: Brian Green | October 14, 2011, 10:32 am 10:32 am
“Smirking Rick Perry’s wife is now whining” ~~~~~ Yes, they both have a very specific type of smirk from time to time. It’s called Duper’s Delight, a micro-expression that shows on the faces of those who are being deceptive and think they’re successfully pulling one over on their audience.
Posted by: Minorkey1 | October 14, 2011, 10:40 am 10:40 am
In any event, Christians are the current group to hate. It’s apparently acceptable if you are on the giving end.
Posted by: wildblueyondergoAF | October 14, 2011, 10:40 am 10:40 am
What dopes these two are, the stupidest people are Republican. Some more examples would be Bush, Quayle, Bachmann and Palin.
Posted by: Hege1321 | October 14, 2011, 10:54 am 10:54 am
I’d be very satisfied if NONE of the candidates speak about THEIR religion, it has NOTHING to do with them being our President. In Perry’s case, he began his debut into the National scene by holding a “prayer” meeting in a stadium – is he a preacher? Nope. Then he’s always talking about creationism as if he plans to get the whole country to believe what HE does. I don’t feel we need such a man leading our Nation even If he HAD half a brain which he does NOT.
Posted by: demNme5 | October 14, 2011, 10:57 am 10:57 am
come on now i’m all for Perry and 999 is to close to looking like 666 and that mark i refuse to have lets give the man a break,
Posted by: SUE | October 14, 2011, 11:02 am 11:02 am
One of the main reason we have so much gridlock in Washington is because of the large increase of Evangelical Christians who now hold office. Their reason of running for office is to take control of the Government and through legislation force all of America to follow their religious beliefs. In reality the Evangelical religion is nothing more than a hate group who preaches hate among different sectors of the Americans and anyone who different in their believes from them. This is why the founding fathers of this nation wanted the Government to have separation of State and Religion. That is how this nation stated as people from the old world counties came to America to get away from persecution of religion.
Posted by: bob | October 14, 2011, 11:09 am 11:09 am
I truly hate hypocrisy and the evangelical right is rife with it! Let me tell you Jesus was a liberal, he took care of the sick and poor and didn’t cheer to let them die! He was his brothers keeper and gave his life for us whereas most Republicans wouldn’t give two cents. Perry is a crooked opportunist like the rest of them.
Posted by: Hege1321 | October 14, 2011, 11:10 am 11:10 am
If he were jewish or muslim this would not be an issue. Seems like liberals only pick on the Christian faith.
Posted by: janet | October 14, 2011, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Perry is not being brutalized because of his Christianity — in a nation that is overwhelmingly religious and Christian. He is being criticized for seeking to use his religion to assist his gaining political power (I think the Biblical term might be Pharisee). What is missed in this debate is that the most evangelical 18th century Americans were the ones most adamant that we have a separation of church and state, not only to prevent church from corrupting the state (a Jeffersonian concern) but to prevent the state from corrupting the church. See Wellspring of Liberty.
Posted by: Ragosta | October 14, 2011, 11:14 am 11:14 am
I heard someone call Palin aand Perry ” stupid” and I agree that every one is entitled to his or her opionion. The “stupid” people can be educated by surround themselves in a political enviroment and they can expose themselves to get familiar with a broader spectrum of the political arena. We can enlighten the stupid (?)people however we cannot change the unethical and twisted mind set of the people. These are two different things. An articulated politician with a crooked mind would lead us into a disaster economy for his own good. Solyndra scandal is nothing but a slush funds scheme for political financial game. The fast and furrious operation is anther living proof of what a twisted mind can do harm to his own people for his scheme to put gun control proposal under his power.
The apple does not fall far from the tree. Dirty and crooked politician’s mind set is based on his culture, education and the blood line that cannot be changed. Now, that’s detrimental to the country.
Posted by: acdc2012 | October 14, 2011, 11:18 am 11:18 am
It’s that ole’ Texas 2 step double talk that Bush was inclined to use. Perry is the one who has most worn religion on his sleeve and most made it an issue. He’s the one who has slurred Mormons and insinuated that only evangelical Christians are religiously “correct”. He’s being attacked because of his religion?! Give me a break.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | October 14, 2011, 11:22 am 11:22 am
I’m SICK of ALL these “Religious” candidates spouting off about their beliefs. Keep it PRIVATE because no one CARES. If anything, I would vote AGAINST people like Mr. Perry partly because of his USE of religion but MOSTLY because he’s a dumb cowboy and I’ve seen one too many like that already.
Posted by: demNme5 | October 14, 2011, 11:29 am 11:29 am
This is what happens when you bring your faith INTO politics. It was HIS choice. He had some prayer meeting a month or so ago (all political) & then Jeffres statement. Now his wife. Look, if you are religous…fine. But let your actions speak for the faith. When you so around & say (with your chest out) I’m more of a christian or more of a conservative……well people are going to judge you…why? because by the statements your showing judgement over them. You’re saying your better than the rest because of your faith. That is what doesn’t belong in politics. The government needs to protect the citizens. Not try to tell them they are sinners going down a wicked path & your the salvation. No , let Jesus , be the salvation. Just govern the people, protect them. Don’t protect Wall Street over the people. Don’t protect the mega wealthy over the people. Religion should be personal & should show thru your acts. But Perry , rather talk about his faith & his acts show that he caters to the almighty $$, which is not religious at all. Separation of Church & State & Country pal. Otherwise we have the Bush era again & we never have recovered from that yet. Altho all GOP says it’s Obama’s fault. Wow , that is really turning a blind eye to reality. Again it’s thru your actions that should show your character. Once you tell everyone what a great christian you are….you aren’t. And yes Perry said, If elected it’s deregulation time…You know what that means? that the mayan calendar is right, & our days are numbered.
Posted by: pootyTang | October 14, 2011, 11:30 am 11:30 am
“his campaign has been “brutalized” because of his Christianity” — The standard response from any overbearing, shove it in your face and it’s YOUR problem and you’re attacking Christianity if you attack me’ attitude of the oblivious religious right. To Clarify things: PERRY – we don’t care that you are Christian. We care whether or not you a Presidential material. AND YOU ARE NOT.
Posted by: FormerMarineSgt | October 14, 2011, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Perry’s not being criticized for being a Christian, he’s gets criticized because he’s a HYPOCRITE! A true Christian does not need to remind everyone, day after day, that they are a “true Christian”.
Posted by: moderate_guy | October 14, 2011, 11:39 am 11:39 am
It’s real tiring hearing Christians or Catholics say they are being picked on & for that matter Perry is saying the same thing. Like these people don’t put down other cultures & religions when they talk. Hypocrites. And yes, i”m a Christian. But I don’t get worshiping a pope of mary or gilding everything & big tall hats. My God doesn’t need money. My God doesn’t want everything gilded, he doesn’t want me to wear gig weird hats. He just wants everyone to treat each other like they are his, in which they are. We all belong to God. Did you that? So Christians & Catholics if you think you’re being picked on? SO WHAT. You’re supposed to have faith & let your works shine. & no that doesn’t mean living your life to rail against abortion, that’s small minded & is more about you that the fetus. Just be simple & real & love & help one another. Politics is not spiritual.
Posted by: pootyTang | October 14, 2011, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Like most of the Religious Right, Perry wouldn’t recognize Jesus Christ if He bit him in the butt. Talking the Christian talk means nothing if you don’t walk the walk, and Perry falls far short.
Posted by: BornAgainButNotBornYesterday | October 14, 2011, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness… I’n glad he’s a christian. But, it won’t be the reason he doesn’t get elected. I don’t think people are that shallow. We want a president who is GOOD on all counts, therefore, I’m voting for Cain.
Posted by: Carol | October 14, 2011, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Why is this the TOP STORY??? Doesn’t ABC have any reporters covering something other than candidate talking points? How about getting some reporters on the financial incompetence and corruption going on at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Or for a puff piece – cover the regulations that are causing barriers to employment.
Posted by: 8 The Man | October 14, 2011, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Hege1321 | October 14, 2011 — Check the facts Hedge, repubs give way more to charity and other humane causes then libs. According to Charitynavigator.org “The fact is that self-described “conservatives” in America are more likely to give—and give more money—than self-described “liberals.”These differences go beyond money. Take blood donations, for example. In 2002, conservative Americans were more likely to donate blood each year, and did so more often, than liberals. People who said they were “conservative” or “extremely conservative” made up less than one-fifth of the population, but donated more than a quarter of the blood. To put this in perspective, if political liberals and moderates gave blood like conservatives do, the blood supply in the United States would surge by nearly half.
Posted by: Gunner_1959 | October 14, 2011, 11:47 am 11:47 am
I met Perry once, he was a sick man then and I belive he’s sicker now…Mentally, that is.
Posted by: Luigi | October 14, 2011, 11:51 am 11:51 am
I haven’t seen anyone attack or single out Rick Perry, because he is a Christian. If you have any evidence to the contrary please post, but all the candidates are Christians or count themselves as Christians. Heck Herman Cain is an ordained Baptist minister.
Posted by: rippedpockets | October 14, 2011, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Christians mythologize themselves with claims of persecution. Just read Georges Sorel.
Posted by: adolf | October 14, 2011, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Anita Perry commented that Rick Perry got the call from God in the Houston Cron. I wonder if God gave her a call about her luxury vacations and $10,000 a month mansion compliments of the people of Texas. I’m glad Perry is running for president that way the people of Texas that keep reelecting him will see what a hipocrite evanglical he really is. He is all for the rich non for the poor.
Posted by: lupigon | October 14, 2011, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Has anyone noticed the media attention given to Rick Perry today. Not one mention of Hermann Cain. The media wants to keep these clowns close . It has great entertainment value.
Posted by: tmferretti | October 14, 2011, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
“He’ll argue that if we tap into our own resources such as “opening up those federal lands and water,” cutting back on regulations and rebuilding the Environmental Protection Agency, we can create 1.2 million new jobs.” Translation – Let’s sell Yellowstone, Yosemite, etc. and gut the EPA.
Posted by: John Hanson | October 14, 2011, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
When someone TELLS me s/he’s a Christian, that’s usually the first indication that s/he’s not a very good one. The most devout Christians I know keep in their hearts and let their lights shine.
Posted by: Kitty Wilberforce | October 14, 2011, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
I don’t understand how any of these people running for president can say “I’m only a conservative!” or “I”m left all the way!” This country isn’t all conservative or liberal, damn it, and every one of us deserves to be represented! Calling this place a democracy is a farce, one party gets to rule for 4-8 years with half the population NOT being represented, and that half gets to see their tax dollars wasted! “Compromise” is not a dirty word, its how this nation should be run. As far as I’m concerned, if your not a moderate, your not really an American who believes in Democracy!!!
Posted by: Bryan | October 14, 2011, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
There is one decent, honest Republican candidate who doesn’t go around making an issue about religion. He staunchly supports one of the foundations of our democracy, separation of church and state. I’m switching my registration from Democrat to Republican so I can vote for Ron Paul in the CA primaries. And, should he make it to the general election I’ll vote for him again there. He’s the only one of the bunch who means what he says and says what he really stands for – less government, no foreign intervention. As someone pointed out in an earlier post Perry talks the talk. We’ll most of these guys talk like their fiscal conservatives – but they want to take all your money and give handouts to their big corporate supporters. I hope you’ll join me in voting for Dr. Paul.
Posted by: John Hanson | October 14, 2011, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Perry’s is taking his “jobs plan” right from the Chinese — get rid of all regulations that companies have to deal with so they can make more money. If we do not worry about the heath of the workers, and the health of the enviornment, and the quality of product we are producing, we could let the stock holders of companies make more money. Look at the quality of life of the workers in Chinese factorys and the tainted products that they have shipped here. Look at the ecological disaster in factory towns in China. This is the jobs plan that Perry is promoting.
Posted by: vissionquest | October 14, 2011, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Bob–”One of the main reason we have so much gridlock in Washington is because of the large increase of Evangelical Christians who now hold office. Their reason of running for office is to take control of the Government and through legislation force all of America to follow their religious beliefs. In reality the Evangelical religion is nothing more than a hate group who preaches hate among different sectors of the Americans and anyone who different in their believes from them. This is why the founding fathers of this nation wanted the Government to have separation of State and Religion.”– First, NAME ONE SINGLE piece of legislation that “evangelical Christians” have tried to push that will “force” anyone to believe as they do.. I call you out on that statement because it is a bold faced LIE.. Second, from what evidence do you make the claim that evangelical are a “hate group”. Name one example of mainstream evangelicals asssociated with government who have engaged in “hate mongering”? Now its true that our currentpresident spent 20 years in a hate filled black supremicist church, but I recall being told by the media that it was a non issue.. So is it or not??? Finally, the founding fathers specifically stated that there should be freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.. If you don’t understand the difference, then you don’t ned to be making the statements you are making..
Posted by: arkie vet | October 14, 2011, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Brutalized?? Give me a break. You started this by espousing your religious beliefs to win votes. When they call you on it, you cry foul. What a hypocrite.
Posted by: Moby49 | October 14, 2011, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
NO, he is not being brutalized because he is a Christian. It is his viewpoints. He keeps saying this is what “American’s want”. I am an American and he is NOT speaking for me.
Posted by: Julia | October 14, 2011, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
We need more people being “brutalized” for their religion, regardless of what their religion is. In the United States Of America, you are free to believe in whatever imaginary man in the sky you like, or whatever other form of nutjobbery suits your fancy. No one is going to put you in jail or just outright kill you for not believing in the right imaginary man. This isn’t Iran, at least not yet. Other sane, rational people, however, are equally free to ridicule you mercilessly. That’s the real reason that so many so-called Christians are jumping to the defense of Romney… they are utterly terrified that if they allow ridicule of one “faith”, whatever the reason, it opens up ALL faiths to such ridicule, including their own, because NONE of them have a leg to stand on in any kind of reasoned, factual debate. If you had a grown adult trying to run for the leadership of the most powerful nation on Earth, and they claimed to believe, REALLY believe, in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy, sane people would rightly consider him to to be a complete nutcase and totally unqualified to hold such a position. But when they REALLY believe in an imaginary man in the sky who supposedly created the universe and dictates morality to human beings with eternal damnation and torment as the consequences for non-compliance, while always ensuring the maximum level of misery and suffering to “test your faith” in Him, well, that’s not completely insane at all, is it? Religion, ALL religion, is a mental illness. It’s not illegal in America to be insane, but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re insane. Get out of the dark ages and into the 21st century, people!
Posted by: Offsuit | October 14, 2011, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
I agree with MOBY49. Perry is not being beat up because of his religion, it’s because of his ideas. I’m a Texan, a Republican, and a Christian, but he is NOT my choice for president. (Go Cain)
Posted by: ksb | October 14, 2011, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Who defines who is more conservative than the next or who is more religious than the next. I have a friend who is an ordained Baptist minister, holds a Doctorate in Theology, reads and speaks Hebrew and Greek fluently and has studied the bible in its native tongues. He has students telling him who is more religious and challenges him with things that are in the Bible. His reply is bring in the verse the next class. Invariably they come back and say they could not find it, but their preacher told them it was in the Bible so it had to be.
Posted by: John | October 14, 2011, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
MOST Citizens of this Nation do NOT want religion in our Government. So why are these faux Christians so fixated with telling the world about THEIR beliefs??? As for hate, I’d say that SOME Christians do spew lots of that around when discussing Gay People and they ALSO spend way TOO much time putting through USELESS abortion rules. Remember ROE V WADE???? I know that you have plans to FORCE that issue on everyone just as all those backwards laws you all make in your home states where women can’t decide about her OWN issues. So yes, SOME Christians DO shove THEIR ideas on others!!!
Posted by: demNme5 | October 14, 2011, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
I just love it when Christians claim persecution for their faith…
In a nation in which over 80% consider themselves Christian.
And at the same time, they “brutalize” NON-Christians (does anyone honestly believe that a candidate who did NOT profess to being a Christian would be electable? Despite the fact that the Constitution forbids any religious test to hold office.)
But see, the Bible tells them that they WILL be persecuted for their faith, so they HAVE to imagine that is the case (and often, CREATE situations in which this appears to be the case…newsflash: when you behave in an obnoxious manner and/or attempt to cram your religion down everyones’ throats, THEY DON’T LIKE YOU…it has nothing to do with your “faith” and everything to do with your tactics.)
I still have yet to see an electable Republican candidate. Tick-tock, people.
The Right is cannabalizing itself (which is WONDERFUL news for those of us who care about this country, imo).
Posted by: Raven | October 14, 2011, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Who gives a crap what religion a person is? Save the whining for church where you can get sympathy for being sooooooooo abused. Just say ‘NO’ to religiously delusional people in politics.
Posted by: atomicrat | October 14, 2011, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Perry’s wife said, “We are being brutalized by our opponents, and by our own party. So much of that is, I think they look at him because of his faith. He is the only true conservative.” and Perry agreed with her. The words are theirs, not the reporters, not those of Stephanopoulos. Not bad reporting, or biased reporting. Anita Perry’s words, agreed to by her husband. Of course, she also blamed the Obama administration because their son “lost” his job…he quit, to work on his father’s campaign, and had to make a choice because of conflict of interest rules in place at the SEC. He worked at Deutsche Bank, and last year the SEC adopted rules limiting the political activity on the part of investment advisers. So he didn’t “lose” his job, he chose to quit, and teh regulation doesn’t seem to be out of line when one considers the potential for abuse when banking, investment advisors, and politics get too closely entertwined…
Posted by: Kris | October 14, 2011, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
It is distasteful to make comments about other religions yet the Christianity Pastor from Dallas made a comment that Mormons were recognized as a “Cult” rather than a religion. His church may and many other “Christians” may recognize Mormons as a Cult but the many Mormons live a Good, Healthy Law-Abiding life equal to many Christians of this world. A true Christian does not insult any man on earth, judge or make ridicule comments towards another man’s religion. If you can dish it out then be man enough to take your punches.
Posted by: Cowgirl SUe | October 14, 2011, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Oh well, Cain has his race card and now Perry has his religion card, republican loser politics as usual.
Posted by: JR | October 14, 2011, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
John Hanson–”There is one decent, honest Republican candidate who doesn’t go around making an issue about religion. He staunchly supports one of the foundations of our democracy, separation of church and state. I’m switching my registration from Democrat to Republican so I can vote for Ron Paul in the CA primaries. And, should he make it to the general election I’ll vote for him again there. He’s the only one of the bunch who means what he says and says what he really stands for – less government, no foreign intervention”— UNFORTUNATELY, he carries that torch too far to the extreme.. Paul is an isolationist.. which is a susicide stance in today’s world environment.. If you can actually vote for anyone who believes that Iran has the same right to own nuclear weapons as anyone else and DOES NOT see the imminent danger of a nuclear Iran to the rest of the world then you deserve what you get.. just don’t come crying to me when half of the civilized world goes up in a BIG brown nuclear explosion and we all start to die from a nuclear winter.. because the idiot leader of Iran thought it was his religious responsibility to usher in the coming of the 12th Imam by blowing Israel off the face of the earth with a nuke… IS a president who see no problem with a nuclear Iran REALLY who you want leading the most powerful nation in the free world?
Posted by: arkie vet | October 14, 2011, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
No more than his kind of people “brutalized” Obama for his. All of a sudden the shoe’s on the other foot and it pinches!
Posted by: Broadway Jill | October 14, 2011, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Cowgirl Sue, there isn’t all that much difference between a cult and a religion. A cult is a new religious movement that hasn’t yet gained social acceptance within a culture and/or a large following. A religion is a cult that has gained a significant following and social acceptance. The border line between the two is blurred. Neither term implies the members are or are not good, moral, or law-abiding.
Posted by: Minorkey1 | October 14, 2011, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
JR –”Oh well, Cain has his race card and now Perry has his religion card, republican loser politics as usual”— REPUBLICAN LOSER Politics?? Are you actually saying the DEMOCRATS haven’t played the race card ad nauseum since Obama was elected?? According to Dems if you disagree with Obama, you are a racist, if you are a member of the tea party you are a racist, conservative = racist… if you question the black panther scandal you’re racist, question Jeremiah Wright, you’re a racist… I haven’t seen Cain rely on his race to get a pass yet on anything, but I have seen Dems rely on race to bully the opposition CONTINUALLY…
Posted by: arkie vet | October 14, 2011, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
“Look at the quality of life of the workers in Chinese factorys…”
Sure, ok. You know what I see? I see that there aren’t hordes of Chinese factory workers that are getting their homes foreclosed on and their families aren’t going without necessities. By necessities, I mean food…not SUV’s, iPhones and widescreen tv’s.
“…and the tainted products that they have shipped here.”
Are you under the impression that this happens regularly? I remember 3, maybe 4 incidents. A small handful of lots out of the trillions of items shipped here. We have more problems yearly with locally produced food than we’ve had EVER with Chinese created products.
“Look at the ecological disaster in factory towns in China.”
Look at the ecological disasters in your own country. Smog, toxic landfills, algae blooms in the Great Lakes that are killing fish are just the tip of the iceberg. And this is in a country where industry is so heavily regulated that it can barely function. Hmmmm…
“the founding fathers specifically stated that there should be freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.”
Another thing that the Founding Fathers stated is that there should be a distinct separation of church and state. And even the most devoutly religious among them believed this. There is almost no information on the actual beliefs of our Founding Fathers, outside of the wild conjecture of the various religious groups trying to claim them as their own. Do you know why?
The answer is simple: they believed that, as statesmen, religion was not a topic for them to discuss publicly.
Posted by: AmericaThePitiful | October 14, 2011, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
He’s supposed to represent ALL of us. I don’t give a damn what his religion is, religion should stay out of politics. He did condones the baptists statements. He does not represent my conservative viewpoint. Bottom line….he’s a horses butt!
Posted by: Bill | October 14, 2011, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Perry / Hank Jr 2012 …LOL. That’d be a wild ride….& the end of the world as we know it.
Posted by: gippy | October 14, 2011, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Perry isn’t the most concervative. He’s the most evangelical.
I was surprised to hear Perry say that Americans have a right to worship as they please. Most evangelicals don’t understand the First Amendment that well. Gingrich said that it allows Christians to practice their religion in public. He evidently knows as much about the Bill or Rights as Palin does about history.
Since most Americans perceive themselves to be Christian it is doubtful that they are persecuted because of their faith. Taliban evangelicals however are a different story. I hope the rest of America is as tired of them as I am.
Posted by: oonogil | October 14, 2011, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
OFFSUIT–”But when they REALLY believe in an imaginary man in the sky who supposedly created the universe and dictates morality to human beings with eternal damnation and torment as the consequences for non-compliance, while always ensuring the maximum level of misery and suffering to “test your faith” in Him, well, that’s not completely insane at all, is it? Religion, ALL religion, is a mental illness.”—- Let me play “devil’s advocate” here…. Lets see, its a mental illness to believe that a being, human or otherwise, was responsible for the creation of this planet and was responsible for establishing a human race that ultimately populated the planet. That all the living creatures on this litttle sphere were placed here by a superior being who came from somewhere else.. THAT is in your mind, INSANE.. BUT.. the belief that two inanimate objects which contained NO life, smashed together at incredible speed and the resulting explosion created not only our solar system and planet but also CREATED carbon based life as a side effect. THEN this carbon based substance “morphed” into a single celled “life form” which proceeded to evolve from the ameoba to current day humans with NO influences other than those of environment.. .. Okay so on the one hand we have the theory that we appeared FROM NOTHING due to an unspecified “Big bang”, and on the other hand, we have the theory that a superior being planted the seeds of humanity on this user friendly planet and civilization grew from that… WHICH SOUNDS MORE INSANE???
Posted by: arkie vet | October 14, 2011, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
I think this is Perry’s 1st venture into reality….he’s used to the good ol boy vacuum that is used here in podunk Texas. Mind you Austin is no fan…just the cuntry boys everywhere else. Perry is plastic….if you can’t tell that then maybe you’re plastic too. It’s not a good time for someone plastic to stand up & lead. We’re still recovering from the dark ages 2000-2008. No need for some plastic “i know the way’ BS. His eenrgy plan is to dig for Natural Gas?? Uh , that’s already being done around here , Ft Worth is being heavily mined. And there are definitely environment issues with Fracking. So mix more fracking with more deregulation & you will get Unrecoverable Natural Disaster. That is what we are heading to if these GOP wing nuts want to deregulate the industries, especially catering to their Big Pharma, Big Oil, Medical & Insurance CEOs. Of course these groups don’t care about the future. They (GOP) just are willing to do anything to make a buck in the United States again. I mean do we really have to watch penile erection dysfunction commercials every 15 minutes??? & the image of old people getting it own dancing in the heads of our children?? It’s sick if you let the $$(tail) wag the dog & that’s what they do. Christian? hummph…a fake one.
Posted by: gippy | October 14, 2011, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Gippy
“Perry is plastic….if you can’t tell that then maybe you’re plastic too.”
Wow! I haven’t heard that term since about 1972.
Posted by: cloud | October 14, 2011, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Cloud – really? Housewives of Orange County – plastic…not real. Not worth much. Wow! I didn’t think that would confuse anyone. I see plastic people all the time. They don’t seem real. I don’t recall using that term in 1972.
Posted by: gippy | October 14, 2011, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Perry had a chance to distance himself from bigoted reverand. He chose not to. Maybe Perry should get a dictionary and read what disavow means. Not that hard Mr. Perry. There is nothing wrong with disavowing bigotted remarks, unless of course you agree with them.
Posted by: eolsen | October 14, 2011, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
The sad part of this view is that Romney uses his religion to justify his own prejudices and discrimination and then cries when people call him on these views.
Posted by: Tomwins | October 15, 2011, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
He and his wife are playing to the christian belief that they are persecuted here in America. Its obviously not true. It doesn’t help that he’s an idiot. Unfortunately Molly Ivins isn’t around to point that out any more.
Posted by: whatever | October 16, 2011, 6:39 am 6:39 am
BRYAN: “This country isn’t all conservative or liberal . . .”
Right, just mostly conservative according to the last few years of Gallup polls measuring ‘U.S. Political Ideology’:
Conservative – 40%
Moderate – 35%
Liberal – 20%
BRYAN: “Calling this place a democracy is a farce, one party gets to rule for 4-8 years with half the population NOT being represented . . .”
Wrong. The population is always represented by its collective vote. You just don’t like the tied is turning against your left-wing.
BRYAN: “‘Compromise’ is not a dirty word, its how this nation should be run.”
Is that what you said after Obama and Democrats had control for 2 straight years? Compromise happens naturally when the elected officials represent the people that voted them into office.
BRYAN: “As far as I’m concerned, if your not a moderate, your not really an American who believes in Democracy!!!”
Moderates are nothing more than arrogant people who claim to be better than everyone else because they are indecisive and usually uninformed. Indecision isn’t a solution or an ideology, it’s nothing at all.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2011, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
It doesn’t seem that it is his religion, but the way he is pushing those values as the way we should be governed.
The Texas jobs subject is a bit overblown. Of course if one state lowers regulations and/or taxes on businesses, employers will come there to make more profit. But those jobs are simply being robbed from other states. Jobs aren’t being created, as much as being stolen.
We need a net gain in jobs country-wide to improve our economy, not states stealing jobs from other states. That is not a solution to our economic problems.
Posted by: Librarian53 | October 25, 2011, 8:27 am 8:27 am