Bob Jones III, on Obama, Asks ‘Where Is the Evidence That He Is a Christian?’

It’s so amusing to watch all the various Christians and Christian denominations play “No True Scotsman.” Each different denomination has their own definition of what it means to be a “true Christian,” and of course, anybody who doesn’t fit their definition is considered to not be the real deal. Christians have been killing each other over this issue for centuries.

Obama’s effort to bankrupt the country, from within, would indicate his religious afiliation to be in tune with Islam.

Where is the evidence that Mr.Jones is a christian?

“Obama’s effort to bankrupt the country, from within, would indicate his religious afiliation to be in tune with Islam.” ~~~~~~~~~ Please quote the sura from the Qur’an where it states efforts to bankrupt are a tenet of Islamic faith. Your religious and political naivete are pronounced.

Mr. Jones, Where is the evidence that Barack Obama is not a Christian. How do you measure a Christian? I have a feeling that Jesus Christ would have no problem with Barack Obama. You should just go away and do something else.

Even if Obama is not a Christian, that makes him a Muslim. What is wrong with that? Billions of people are Muslims. Muslims invented the alphabet; made huge advances in astronomy, in mediciene and other sciences. This wacko is judging billiions of people by a relatively tiny few.

Bob Jones, sounds like you are judging… Guess what, as a Christian you should not judge others. Therefore, you are not a Christian either!

How can we tell if anyone is a so-called Christian? I would recommend comparing their actions and the way they live their lives to the tenets of Christ’s teachings — which is how we will all be judged in the end. You know, actions speak louder than words. So-called Christians like Jones, Cain, Perry, Romney, Bachmann, Newt, etc. fall way short when judged in that manner.

Now all Mr. Jones has to do is sit back and wait for the money to start pouring in. Ah, Christianity is far more lucrative than having to actually work for a living, especially when you know nothing about scripture and preach politics and call it Christian.

“While the majority of Americans may see Birthers and child beating Pastors as whackos, we don’t need to look very far to see how stringent, intolerant Calvinist dogma has tainted the entire Republican Party.”

I couldn’t agree more, Bob. My family has been Republican going back four generations, but I was also raised in a Christian church that promoted tolerance of others. Our youth group went to Jewish synagogues, Eastern Orthodox churches, and had camp retreats with Roman Catholic youth groups. I am bewildered and dumbfounded by the Republican Party’s alliance with these intolerant dimwits. Therefore, I have officially registered myself as an Independent voter. I also think the majority of Americans are more centrist, like me. When will everybody wake up?

I see no evidence that these fundamental Christian’s are really Christian. Christian Reconstructionism is nothing more that some freakish anti Biblical cult. Not to mention they’re anti Constitutional.

I have a great distrust for white-trash hillbillies like Bob Jones III.

People like this wiil require, that Satan put on an extra shift of demons, just for their eternal punishment!!!

Obviously this bozo has never read Paul. To be a Christian is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, that He was crucified for ones sins, that He was resurrected from the dead. And to do all one can to follow His teachings. Which, obviously, this bozo doesn’t. But he’s good at smears. Must be a Southern repig – that’s a huge denomination.

I don’t think Obama is trying to bankrupt the country. I just think he hasn’t a freaking clue!
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It shouldn’t matter whether the President is a Christian, Muslim, Pagan or a devotee of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Religion has absolutely NO place in a government employee’s professional life, and whether he’s a true anything is a private matter that no one needs to know about besides him and those he feels deserve to have that information. And before anyone else comments that someone like the President has no right to privacy, let me point out that we have no right to judge ANYONE on their religious beliefs as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else.

I hope Obama is not a Christian as that would make him crazy in my opinion. Jesus was a stupid myth! Get over this 2000 year old sh*t already. Move on people!

I wonder if he’s related to that other Jones guy, Terry of Westboro fame. They kind of look alike.

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What do religious beliefs have to do with being president?I find that nowhere in our Constitution but I do find

Age and Citizenship requirements – US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

So what is the debate about?

Bob Jones III is a fundamentalist. Fundamentalists of all religions are fearful, judgmental, dogmatic, divisive, hateful bigots.

Mr. Obama is a better Christian than he is a President.

Notice how A BC , which is Not Christian, tries to protect Obama, which is Not Christian, from criticism by Christians, who know there own. He doesnt go to Church, He doesnt honor Easter, the most holy day. But he calls the koran ‘Holy’ which is an abomination. Nice try drive by’s .

Jones says, “I have a great distrust for him. I have no reason to think he’s a Christian. … Anyone can say he’s a Christian. Some people will say whatever they think the politically helpful thing would be. I say, ‘Where is the evidence that he is a Christian?’ ” Gosh, Jones, you “hired man”, most of us think the same of you.

its seems there is reasonable doubt that Obama is Christian.. he has done more for Shias’ than American christians

God you people are stupid about God. Talking about who judges who, who is a Christian – and every last one of you is a miserable sinner himself. Look at yourself before you cast such ignorant opinons to the world. Jesus Christ is Lord, there is no other, we all fall short of his glory, and the sooner you embrace that, the more peace you will have in your life.

It’s obvious Obama is Christian – the whole following the teachings of Jesus – should probably clue someone in on that one.

I don’t like Obama, but I dislike him less because HE IS NOT Christian! I don’t believe we should have someone who is unwilling to question the truthfulness of religion as the most powerful person on Earth… sorry… I just don’t!

Here we have conservatives talking about Obama bankrupting the country? What planet do you live in. Obviously, you must not be very bright since you are a conservative, but do the math and you will see that Obama is one of the most financially responsible presidents financially. Not that Republicans have any credibility about fiscal issues, just saying. However, since you get your “news” from Rush and folks I don’t blame you. If you need any evidence on the math, I will point you to Obama’s lecture to Henserling in Baltimore at the Republican congressional retreat. There in the lions den he hit them the mouth, that Fox is forced to cut off the live feed on TV.

This man, and his well known family, along with their university make me grind my teeth. This is patent arrogance, but since they have been like this all of the years I’ve know anything about them — no surprise here. It just makes me mad. I like RoboLearns | November 12, 2011, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm post! That says it all!

Jones should keep his worthless opinions to himself…nobody cares about them except the brain deads he panders to.

If you do not know Christ for yourself, PLEASE do not listen to the likes of Bob Jones, Michelle Bachman and Rick Perry. If you listen to these people, you will never learn the truth about Christianity.

I always believed the Bible said that God was the judge of religious things, like who was a Christian and who was not. I also believe It says things about what happens to men passing religious judgment on other men and those who usurp the power of God. Eh???

what proof is there that … Bob Jones .. is a christian along the lines Christ himself out lined in the new testament? i’m not sure Jesus would be impressed with all the empty grand buildings while so many human beings were homeless… where is the evidence Bob Jones is any more Inn lightened than Jim Jones a man most people of the world recognized as a …Christian. To help the human who need no help is easy that is not what Christianity is about “buy” the weigh” eye read the bible .. i could be wrong but lets take a close look at reality to see just what …is actually there

Nobody should have to prove anything to anybody with regard to their spiritual life. It’s a very private and personal matter that’s nobody’s business. I think the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy that was misapplied to sexual orientation, would be a good thing if applied to spiritual beliefs.

what make you a christian Mr. Jones? Judge not that you may not be judged.

There is no evidence.

I’m catholic , I think the pres. is ok,,, has a tuff job , handed to him in bad shape , and has kept us above water. he stood and professed his faith , is trying hard to do good for all ,not just some.I’m a democrat.

To an extreme right wing Christian like Bob Jones, left wing Christianity such as the kind Obama has doesn’t appear to be the same religion. It has the same name, but might as well be a completely different religion because right wing Christians and left wing Christians believe different things and some are on opposite sides of controversial theological issues such as abortion and gay rights.

I’ve spent time in both right wing and left wing churches. But only those who have seen both types of churches and spent more than a day in each type would know what I am talking about. Those who stayed in the same type of church for their entire life and never tried out different denominations aren’t going to know what I’m talking about.

” The Bible makes it abundantly clear that all of us are tainted by and infected with sin (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8). Romans 3:10-18 could not be clearer about the non-existence of “good” people: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Every human being on this planet deserves to be thrown into hell at this very moment. Every second we spend alive is only by the grace and mercy of God. Even the most terrible misery we could experience on this planet is merciful compared to what we deserve, eternal hell in the lake of fire.” This is about all of us!

Go to hell sir.

The last time I checked, EVERYONE on this message board had their 1st Amendment rights. That means we can all believe, think, assume, theorize or whatever else we would like to think. That means we should let this man think whatever he wants to think. That’s just what you just finished doing, expressing YOUR opinion here.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy came out of the closet next week. “Christians”. Whatever. How about good, moral, upstanding people who treat others as they want to be treated. To be moral and love your country doesn’t need to be synonymous with any organized religion. I’d argue to the contrary!!!!

“A virtuous heretic will find himself in heaven long before the pious scoundrel”……..who said that? Ben Franklin

I could care less if he is or isn’t. He has morals, he has a brain; unlike the former President W. Bush, and he can speak in full sentences and with rational thought without forgetting how to count. Besides its not the ‘Christian’ thing that is bothering you is it Jones? Come on tell us what is REALLY making you not like President Obama.

Kismet, what exactly is your definition of “act like a Christian?”

Enough of this religion in politics BS. Whatever your religious beliefs may be, it has no place in government. Somehow we think our beliefs are above anyone else’s beliefs, our religion is the best, our religion is the true religion and any slight deviation from it is wrong. Ladies and gentlemen, religion is what YOU believe in, whatever it may be. It is more of values and what is in your heart, mind, and spirit. If we believe that religion has a place in politics, then the Taliban and other off the wall religious goups have a place too in their government. See, we think it’s OK that we inject our religion into politics, but others shouldn’t. Our religious beliefs will NOT solve our problems, our religious beliefs will NOT stop wars, our religious beliefs will NOT stop the wholesale rape of our government by special interest, the rich, banks, and Wall Street. It will do nothing of that sort, NONE. And contrary to all these so call “religious leaders” who are all quite wealthy, and all these wealthy politicians who claim they believe in Christian values, nothing could be further from the truth. “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God” I don’t see any of them subscribing to those words. They are all in it for themselves. They are as phony as a 3 dollar bill, selling snake oil as a cure for everything. And NO…God doesn’t speak to any one of them, NOT one. God has better things to do then talk to these clowns. Man and their delusions about themselves.

Amazing. The article says Jones said what he said in the context of an interview. That means that he was answering a question. Jones didn’t just puke this out spontaneously, he was answering a question. Holy moly’s old swastica! All this vitriolic raving because a man answered a question expressing an opinion. I was raised a Democrat and I have a lot of mistrust for Obama, and I’m in good company with a lot of other Democrats who are having “buyer’s remorse” after three years of Obama’s “Hope and Change.” It is probable that the vast majority of the hate filled comments here were made by people who claim to be the anti-thesis of what they condemn in Jones. Jones expressed an opinion in response to an interview question. He merely questioned the claims made by Obama to Christianity based on observation. No hate, no condemnation, just a studied opinion. I think that the hypocrites who have spewed out so much hate and poison in the comments above should take a close look at their own claims to justice, openness, and tolerance. The overwhelming majority of what has been written above is unjust, close minded, and intolerant. HYPOCRITES!

@AR,
This Obama voted has no “buyers” remorse. I don’t know anyone who has. If you expected an overnight fix, you have no clue of the true mess Bush and the Republicans created and the complexity of a global economy. A fast “fix” will blow up fast (no solid fundamentals). Is that what you want? Sit back and buckle up….we’re coming back…and it will be slow and but true. And yes, my friends and I are voting for Obama next year!

@All; Whether Obama is or is not a Christian….whether he professes or does not profess his belief (yawn) — who cares. Work on “the man in the mirror” not somebody else. It’s the best thing you can do. By the way….don’t worry about my status as a Christian. None your business.

@BC

This is the problem with Obama and Obama voters. They all think the problem was created solely by Bush and the Republicans. Pfft! There are NO differences between the Republicans and the Democrats and I see very little, if any, differences between Bush and Obama. Has Obama not continued 99% of everything Bush was doing? Yes he has. Given that fact, you don’t think Obama is also to blame for the continued mess of the nation. To clean it up, you have to make some changes…what changes has Obama made? NONE. And don’t blame it on Repubs not playing nice with him. He has 2 full years of total control to have passed anything he wanted. Like Bush – he continued creating and maintaining the mess.

It’s not really an issue of whether or not Obama is a Christian, professes to be, or what his belief is….the true issue is whether or not your President is lying to you about his religion. You all don’t seem to understand how important one’s religion is. The Middle East is run on religious politics….Obama’s Middle East decisions have consequences for the US – a largely Christian nation – despite the fact that he believes we are largely a Muslim nation, we are not. Yes, his religion matters to some degree, but not nearly as much as his honesty about what he believes. We need to understand not only WHAT his foreign policies are, but WHY he makes the decisions he makes.

@E – Acting like a Christian is subjective – of course. But if you profess to be a Christian, don’t you think it flies in the fact of that conviction when you cover a Christian Cross that happens to be behind you during a speech? I’m not judge and jury on Christianity. I only want his actions to match what he says. If you are a Christian, God doesn’t expect you to hide from or shun Christian symbols. He could have moved the location for his speech or simply left the Cross visible. If he is truly a Christian, it shouldn’t have mattered to him that there was a Cross behind him. What possible reason would a Christian have for covering a Cross?. Actions speak louder than words, and his actions speak as though he is not a Christian.

If he is – then his actions should match his words. Simple as that.

Kismet,
I am not into symbolism and I don’t see what that has to do with being a Christian but that leads to me stating that I 100% agree with you that what is defined as a Christian is subjective.

Gaella,
I don’t believe for one second that you aren’t capable of understanding the difference between using notes to give a speech on the something as complex as policy and talking about a hobby. Come on.

MC, Agreed that this is just a comment someone made during an interview and it probably shouldn’t have been that big of a deal. ABC likes to take a single thing someone says and turn it into an article with a controversial title (Hermain Cain’s comment on Anita Hill incident earlier this week as an example). Although I would like to offer an explanation of why some people may be having a strong reaction. First off, we are bombarded by statements like this from people and after awhile one’s forebearance starts to wear down. Also, a lot of people probably are used to hearing these comments from people around them questioning their beliefs and such. I live in the bible belt and I get a lot of people telling me I am going to go to hell if I don’t adopt their beliefs. Lucky for me I have a good sense of humor. :) But all that is beside the point, because it’s best not to carry all that weight around and lash out because this guy made one comment. What’s the point?

Anyone else get the “You are posting comments too quickly” message when you have only hit the Submit button once and you are, in fact, not posting comments too quickly?

Knowing about something is quite different than knowing it! If you know something, have faith in it, your actions, not just words, show and demostrat it. How many persons can spend a whole lifetime doing what they believe in? Matter is the material manifastion of energy. Those who have the strength of belief can change matter and and manifest it from energy. The American Indians believed in the great white spirit and spirits within everything. They could with their minds do cloud breaking, rain making, and healing the spirit within them when one became sick. Christians and Muslims, tell me what you have manifested materially ! What have you done to save a life when its distruction was unavoidable? How about time dialation? Let the person who has, tell us in what he believes. The rest of you can only tell what you know about something.

I can hardly read the horrible comments by those here that are NOT Christians! I do not care, what denomination one is, a Christian is someone who is born again in the spirit through Jesus Christ our Lord. I watch Obama’s very first debate, what a lair! Truth, any one can say they are a Christian, and he has the “words” right, but you will know them by their fruit! He is for abortion, even to if the child lives after attempted abortion that the doctor’s need to let the child die, he is for Gay Marriage NOW because he can get votes from homosexuals! (Now, after he got voted in 2008 playing conservative middle) He believes in government control and ignores our God given rights! He has shown by not having our national day of Prayer, by not allowing prayers in public, where is Obama speaking out against the direct attacks on Christians?? Obama has shown nothing but contempt for American and our country! He shows that his god is power! He is trying to bring down this country! He is helping to usher in the ground work for the Anti-christ to come to power, it is so obvious to real Christians!

OK, I had a suspicion you were being satirical. But it is hard to tell these days because it’s as though suddenly the world is populated by characters from a Sinclair Lewis story. Anyway, on second read I think you are just being funny and spoofing an extremely rhetorical point of view. Haha. Took me a second. :)

if his name is in the book of life … it means he is a christain !!! DUH !

Bob Jones University expects all students to openly confess their accepted form of “Christianity” – variations in belief and practice are discouraged. It was basically a segregated school until 2000.

Any kind of behavior that doesn’t fit into BJU’s prescribed handbook is deemed a “sin” (things like black nail polish and movies). This behavior is punished, ranging from counseling to expulsion. Homosexuality is also defined as an “abomination”.

Sorry Bob, there are hundreds of American churches and Christian denominations who don’t fit into this narrow definition of “Christian”.

Oh so you distrust him based on religion do you? How distasteful! Religion should have nothing to do with your government office or who you vote for! Who cares if he doesn’t have any faith?