Cain Spars With Reporters Over Questions on Sexual Harassment Claims

(The Courier, Eric S. Swist/AP Photo)
ABC News’ Arlette Saenz and Elicia Dover report:
THE WOODLANDS, Texas — While the focus of the night was intended to be the substance of the Lincoln-Douglas style debate between Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich here, Cain was put in the hot spot when he refused to answer reporters’ questions about the sexual harassment allegations against him.
“Don’t even go there,” Cain interrupted when a Washington Post reporter began asking a question about the sexual harassment allegations at a press conference following the two-man debate. “Where’s my chief of staff? Please send him the Journalistic Code of Ethics.”
Reporters pressed Cain as he tried to leave the room, asking him why he was avoiding answering questions about the accusations, but aides shouted over reporters, yelling “No gossip.”
“Are you not going to answer any questions ever again, Mr. Cain, this sexual harassment stuff, is that what you’re saying,” one reporter asked.
“You got it,” Cain said with a smile.
“How can you run a presidential campaign and be a frontrunner when you won’t answer questions about this?” another reporter asked.
“If you all just listen for 30 seconds, I will explain this one time,” Cain said to reporters before leaving the room. “We are getting back on message, end of story. Back on message, read all of the other accounts, read all of the other accounts, where everything has been answered. End of story. We’re getting back on message, OK?”
The debate organizers decided the topic of sexual harassment claims was off-limits during the 90-minute session between the former House Speaker and former Godfather’s Pizza CEO, which focused on entitlement reform. While Gingrich and Cain struck a cordial tone throughout, never once attacking one another, Cain took an opportunity to lob criticism at the media.
“The nitpickiness of the media,” Cain said when asked by Gingrich what surprised him most about the running for president. “I expected to have to work hard. I expected to have to study hard. But I did not realize the ‘fly specking’ nature of the media when you are running for president, especially when you start moving up in the polls, and so that has been the biggest surprise because if there is a journalistic standard, a lot of them don’t follow it, and as a result too many people get misinformation and disinformation.
He added, “There are too many people in the media who are downright dishonest, not all, but too many of them do a disservice to the American people.”
The debate between the two Georgians, which was hosted by a Houston-area tea party group, adopted a more conversational tone and lacked the animosity that has become a hallmark of other primary debates this year.
“Mr. Speaker, if you were the Vice President of the United States,” Cain asked as Gingrich and the audience laughed, “what would you want the president assign you to do first?”
“Well, having studied by good friend Dick Cheney, I would not go hunting,” Gingrich responded.
But Gingrich did take the chance to criticize President Obama, likening him to a concocter of a Ponzi scheme.
“The president is about as candid and accurate as Bernie Madoff in what he tells the American people,” Gingrich said.
Gingrich has repeatedly said he would challenge Obama to seven two-hour, two man Lincoln-Douglas style debates, which originated in the 1858 Senate race between Abraham Lincoln and Steven Douglas when they held debates in seven sites across Illinois. Gingrich vowed to keep his eye on Obama instead of tossing negative attacks at his Republican opponents and pointed to an exchange between Rick Perry and Mitt Romney at the last debate as an example of behavior in which he would not engage.
“If you watch what happened to both Romney and Perry when they got involved in bickering, and Romney reached out and put his hand on Perry, in what I thought was kind of weird frankly,” Gingrich said. “This is not a year where the American people are amused in the middle of the level of pain that we have by politicians who become negative and who become tiny. They shrink.
“I’m going to stay positive,” he said. “The only person I intend to be very directly critical of is President Obama and I’m going to keep focusing on President Obama up through the seven debates in September and October next year.”

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If Cain is unable to respond to simple questions as a private citizen, then how is he qualified tackle the enormous responsibilities of President? Attacking the press is not an option; being open and honest with the public is.
Posted by: wavygravynet | November 6, 2011, 12:16 am 12:16 am
Most of the negative comments on this forum will come from individuals who never had any intentions of ever voting for Mr. Cain. Therefore, when individuals try to come across as “middle of the road”, they are really hiding the fact that they are totally against the man. I guess when Mr. Cain says that the allegations are “baseless”, that is not open and honest. Had he said that the allegations are true, then he would be considered open and honest. This is an example of people whom already have their minds made up a long time ago on whether they support the man or not. Strictly politics.
Posted by: William | November 6, 2011, 12:43 am 12:43 am
Thank you for your continued coverage of the process to elect the President of the USA in 2012. I have considered the various news reports concerning Mr. Cain. I have looked at reports not only from ABC but many other media outlets.
I am proud to still support Mr. Cain in his pursuit to be the Republican nominee.
I am also proud to live in a country that has many media sources to keep the citizens of the USA informed.
Posted by: Judith | November 6, 2011, 12:45 am 12:45 am
“Most of the negative comments on this forum will come from individuals who never had any intentions of ever voting for Mr. Cain.” So what’s your point, William? I’m sure you have more negative things to say about the President on other forums and yet you don’t have any problems tossing out your negative comments there, even though you have no intentions of voting for him. You feel the accusations against Mr. Cain aren’t warranted…fine and dandy. But many others feel that he is hiding something since his stories have changed so many times. So is everyone just supposed to take his “I don’t wanna talk about it” as an answer and forget about it? Sorry dude, it ain’t happening. So instead of whining about poor ole Mr. Cain being picked on, you don’t have any control on this one. Let all the facts come out…from his accusers as well as himself…and then people can make their final decision. But so far, he hasn’t done that. Hence, he’ll continue to be dogged about it. And obviously apologists like you will continue to cry and talk about the “big bad press” being so unfair. As you Republicans are so fond of saying, “Man Up!” and let the chips fall where they may. Just be a big enough man to admit you were wrong if his campaign implodes over this. But for some reason, I doubt we’ll be hearing that from you.
Posted by: RyanC | November 6, 2011, 12:57 am 12:57 am
You mean to tell me that after such a great debate on the issues, the most important thing the reporters have to ask about afterwards is about inconsequencial (and baseless) sexual harrassment allegations? Good job, MSM, you continue to prove everyday how irrelevant you are. Paging Rick Klein….Why don’t you instead report on the “sexual harrassment craze of the ’90s” that not only gave us this story, but on Bill Clinton as well? Hell, I too got falsely accused of sexual harrassment in one of my jobs in ’96.
Posted by: DaveM | November 6, 2011, 12:59 am 12:59 am
Mr. Cain wll never be the President of the United States. That’s just reaity folks.
Posted by: dan | November 6, 2011, 1:00 am 1:00 am
The only reason people with any objectivity support Cain is that he is an outspoken conservative who appeals to the far right tea party wing of the GOP. His 999 economic plan is pathetic and sophomoric. His comments about China and its nuclear aspirations are just ignorant. That alone disqualifies this man to be president. I personally don’t care about sexual harrassment allegations, but any time they come up, they need to be addressed. His inconsistent comments and inability to handle it correctly and make it go away are further evidence that this man has no business running for president.
Posted by: Martin Kendrick | November 6, 2011, 1:06 am 1:06 am
Somebody explain why we felt the need to force Clinton to answer even more personal questions under oath, and this REPUBLICAN, supposedly of the party of morals and values, is being let off the hook right now by republicans? I used to constantly hear about how if this was their party they would purge the person, therefore proving their values. Obviously that’s a lie. This man will never be president to begin with. But republicans are sure showing what hypocrites they can be now in this area.
Posted by: Secondlook | November 6, 2011, 1:06 am 1:06 am
Cain’s casanova-like character and Gingrich’s grandiloquently narcissistic gasconading about himself are beginning to sicken a great deal of independent observers. Obama-bashing onslaught apart, Newt has nothing novel to offer and hubris-laden Herman has to eat a humble pie, one day. And that day, hopefully is not a farcry. Who knows? Some day they will fight themselves to political deaths, never to resurrect again. We can not wait for that to happen. Our records show eggs and tomatoes are waiting to kiss their faces, sooner than later.
Posted by: Marat | November 6, 2011, 1:21 am 1:21 am
Coffee and cream—two losers!
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | November 6, 2011, 1:22 am 1:22 am
Cain and Newt—two pathetic losers. That’s all.
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | November 6, 2011, 1:28 am 1:28 am
Good for Cain for sticking to his guns! When reporters are told that certain questions are off-limits, they are off-limits, period. This whole thing has been talked to death anyway. There is apparently nothing to this. Time to move on….
Posted by: jack carlson | November 6, 2011, 2:32 am 2:32 am
RON PAUL WINS FIRST PLACE IN 2012 ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PRE-PRESIDENTIAL STRAW POLL
Paul 52%
Cain 18%
Romney 14%
Gingrich 9%
Perry 2.5%
Huntsman 1.5%
Santorum 1.2%
Bachmann 1.1%
Cain is irrelevant hes not america candidate . Ron Paul 2012 ! Proven poll after poll after poll.
Posted by: Montezuma336 | November 6, 2011, 2:32 am 2:32 am
Dead horse, meet MSM bat.
At this point it is about the Media stroking their own ego’s for convincing the public this even matters. We’re seeing positivity go down for Cain because of this around the clock, unrelenting bad press.
Look, NO ONE is telling us any details about any of these incidents. Even after no longer being bound to the confidentiality agreement they STILL won’t release any details. There can be only one reason why, the politically oppose Herman Cain. I’m sorry but there is just no other reason someone wouldn’t at least tell us what he supposedly did. They get far more political traction by making you imagine the worst.
We also know that WHATEVER it was he did, it was NOT OVERTLY SEXUAL. That was in the freak’n Politico report. How the HECK do you get a non-overly sexual gesture to suddenly be a sexual harassment case?
I’ll tell you how, the Main Stream Media who’s only interest is in seeing Obama re-elected.
Posted by: Steve | November 6, 2011, 3:10 am 3:10 am
The Cain answer that “the allegations are basless” is not acceptable. We know there were allegations of sexual harrassment that were indeed based in fact. Companies and corporations don’t pay $35,000 and $45,000 settlements if the allegations are baseless. Obviously, Mr. Cain is NOT being open and honest by any means and hopes the whole thing will just go away. Is this the kind of individual we want for our President? I don’t think so!
Posted by: Radiomantx | November 6, 2011, 3:49 am 3:49 am
I don’t care about who any, if any, are acused of sleeping with. My best guess would be that ones asking the questions should should be the ones answering questions about their morlality. Why not ask about their intentions about bringing our military home, how do you intend to stop letting corporations out source American jobs to countries that don’t buy from us? What jobs will our military personal have when they leave service? I just feel there are more important issues than someones moral errors 20 years ago. Have any of these reporters ever served in the military? Before you question me. USMC / Viet Nam 1967 / Wounded twice.
Posted by: Ron Tims | November 6, 2011, 4:32 am 4:32 am
Good idea to attack the media Hermie.
Make them even more determined to get the accusers to speak up.
Meanwhile the rest of us will base OUR assumptions on the number of times you’ve changed YOUR story.
Posted by: Pressdfordlight | November 6, 2011, 4:35 am 4:35 am
“We’ve heard enough about the allegations.”
Speak for yourself. Sexual harassment is an abuse of power. It is entirely relevant to electing someone to office, or not, if he had abused power.
Posted by: Pressdfordlight | November 6, 2011, 4:40 am 4:40 am
Wow, what a debate, almost like a debate between the dead in a morgue. Can’t wait for the next one, surely it will surpass this one and be like a debate between Spongebob Squarepants and Patrick the Starfish. This is a sad day in America when these two would be candidates for the Presidency. I could find more qualified third graders than this sorry bunch.
Posted by: jake | November 6, 2011, 6:30 am 6:30 am
First…I deny any such thing occurred. Then, there was a complaint, that’s all I know. Then, there was a woman who filed a complaint that was investigated and found not to have any basis. Then there was there was a complaint that was settled. Then there was “all I said was that you were as tall as my wife”. Then there was a complaint where there was an agreement. Then there was a severance agreement. Then there was I said all I wanted to say. Then there was I don’t know anything about another complaint against me. Then there was you guys in the media are making this up with lies and distorting the truth. Then there was I am not going to say anymore on this. Gee, can we get just one story, one straight story, and not a revised one every time? I mean, if this guy was under oath, he would have impeached himself a thousand times already. What a clown.
Posted by: jake | November 6, 2011, 6:39 am 6:39 am
No wonder we are falling further and further behind the rest of the world. Just look at any of the sorry bunch of Republicans running for President and you’ll know why. If this is the best minds to lead this nation, we are in deep poop. These guys are clueless, selfish, arrogant, obnoxious, and show NOT ONE ounce of leadership, or brains for that matter. Sad part is that so many Americans actually believe these rocks have something to offer. Yes folks, like rocks. Voting for a rock…lol, that’s pretty sad and funny at the same time.
Posted by: jake | November 6, 2011, 6:44 am 6:44 am
About a week before these allegations, Cain made many statements about “racism not being that bad” and how it’s not a “major factor” any longer. Then IMMEDIATELY after these allegations came to light, the FIRST thing he said is “even though I can’t prove it, this is racism”. This guy is a fake, phony and a fraud. If the GOP puts him up against the President, they will be committing suicide. The ONLY difference between Cain and Palin, is skin color and gender.
Posted by: TonyV | November 6, 2011, 7:00 am 7:00 am
The primary campaign is all about the vetting process for candidates. When politicians fail to answer questions posed to them, whether they like them or not,they should be answered. Cain has decided he will pick and choose what questions he wants to answer. Now imagine him holding a press conference in the Whitehouse, picking only those reporters and questions he chooses to answer. Is this the kind of president you want? Cain has shown a side of his personality with this latest controversy that at it’s very essence, is deceptive. The American people already have enough deception going on in Washington, having a person like Cain in the Whitehouse not willing to be forthright with answers would create a firestorm he could never put out. This character trait being shown by Cain will never pass by the voters in a national election and it shouldn’t. Again this is the vetting process and Cain is failing this test miserably.
Posted by: Indymind | November 6, 2011, 7:21 am 7:21 am
“Don’t even go there,” Cain interrupted when a Washington Post reporter began asking a question about the sexual harassment allegations at a press conference following the two-man debate. “Where’s my chief of staff? Please send him the Journalistic Code of Ethics.” “Are you not going to answer any questions ever again, Mr. Cain, this sexual harassment stuff, is that what you’re saying,” one reporter asked.
“You got it,” Cain said with a smile.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Stick a fork in this dullard, he is WAY overdone……….
Posted by: Searambler | November 6, 2011, 8:26 am 8:26 am
I hope the presstitutes keeps hounding Herman Cain. Every time they beat that dead horse more voters realize how hollow these charges are and how vile the people are who pursue them.
Posted by: creeper | November 6, 2011, 8:50 am 8:50 am
The repubs are nutjobs and the dems are weak. Stop being a bunch of sheep, folks. BOTH these parties are bought and paid for by big business, special interests groups and wall street.
Posted by: TONYV | November 6, 2011, 9:14 am 9:14 am
Why doesn’t the media understand??????? Debates are NOT about attacking your opponents. They are about expressing your differences in ideas and philosophy……..and they can be quite friendly and civil events, if run PROPERLY!
Debates are nothing more than 2 or more sides of a question, discussing their different views. They are NOT wars!
The media in this country has become worse then the Congress. Really!
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | November 6, 2011, 9:18 am 9:18 am
The format of this debate was VERY INFORMATIVE, and that’s what the voters REALLY need to have.
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | November 6, 2011, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Why doesn’t the media understand??????? Debates are NOT about attacking your opponents. Posted by:
Rick McDaniel | November 6, 2011, 9:18 am.
Why blame “the media” for this, Rick? Isn’t it the candidates themselves that decide how to conduct themselves during these events? If candidate A attacks candidate B, blame candidate A. Not the media…..
Posted by: Searambler | November 6, 2011, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Another article about the debate and the focus is not on the debate. I saw the “debate” and a lot of insight was given on how to solve the problems with the entitlement issues that are dogging this country. Where are the articles that deal with the substance of what was said? Once again the intentions of the msm are shown to be gutter politics and destroy whomever is the biggest threat to democrats. The harassment allegations have no detail reported at all. It is anonymous sources and allegations that have been disputed and end with a small potatoes settlement that the NRA negotiated. Cain had nothing to do with the settlement. When actual allegations were made against Clinton by Paula Jones with actual descriptions, dates, places and times that were provable, Clinton was forced to pay $850,000 and give up his law license. That is what an actual settlement looks like. The Cain settlement at $40,000 with a no liability admission clause is just the NRA saving money to make the allegation go away. The msm has spent way too much time focusing on this than is deserved. The complainant was given freedom to give the details and refused. What more can be beaten out of the dead horse?
Posted by: heirloomfurniture | November 6, 2011, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Cain continues to fight his way through these sexual harassment issues. I think he will continue to be supported by the Republicans………………..unless one of these chicks turn out to be white. Then they will loose their ever loving minds.
Posted by: BikernAz12 | November 6, 2011, 10:08 am 10:08 am
The harassment allegations have no detail reported at all. It is anonymous sources and allegations that have been disputed and end with a small potatoes settlement that the NRA negotiated….The Cain settlement at $40,000 with a no liability admission clause is just the NRA saving money to make the allegation go away. Posted by: heirloomfurniture | November 6, 2011, 9:52 am.
LOL! Are you just tuning in here?!?!? Geez louise, some of you people are really, really thick. OK, once more, for the record. The sexual harassment allegations really occurred. A payoff really took place. A non-disclosure agreement really was signed. NONE OF THAT IS IN DISPUTE! All of that really, actually happened 12 years ago. The reason there is no details about the allegations is because of the gag order they all agreed to a dozen years ago. (What you call a ‘small potatoes’ settlement was actually a year’s salary for one of the women. Small potatoes are relative). You have NO IDEA if there is a “no liability admission clause” in the settlement because you have not read the settlement. We both know that. The entire issue about this situation – THE ENTIRE ISSUE – is the WAY the Cain camp has handled the release of the outline of what happened. The number of times Cain changed his story about what happened. The fact that Cain was told 10 days prior to the breaking of the story that the story was about to break. Yet he obviously did NOTHING at all to prepare for it. He apparently didn’t even tell his own staff. THAT IS THE ISSUE! Cain handled this miniature ‘crisis’ so poorly that one cannot help but wonder what he would do in the event of a major crisis.
And ALL of that is moot. It is neither IMPORTANT nor RELEVANT. For the simple reason that Cain will NEVER be selected by the good ol’ boys in the Republican Party to go up against Obama. NEVER. Everyone with a brain understands this. This whole sorry fiasco is nothing but an amusing diversion………..
Posted by: Searambler | November 6, 2011, 10:21 am 10:21 am
This shows how insane the GOP is–not one of these clowns supported the jobs bill. They filibuster everything and have no jobs plan whatever. The GOP will pay for their anti-American moves when they are defeated next year. The GOP only wants to cut taxes for the rich (who have not created any jobs in 8 years and are already taxed the lowest in 40 years); cut spending and send the economy into a depression; and do away with regulations on air pollution (in addition to doing away with Social Security, Medicare, birth control, public education, etc. The GOP is FINISHED.
Posted by: usa8888 | November 6, 2011, 10:47 am 10:47 am
The right wingers who support Cain know he committed many sexual indiscretions but they don’t care..as long as he supports doing away with Medicare, Social Security, birth control,, the Federal Reserve, public education and transportation, unemployment insurance, cutting taxes for the rich (who don’t create jobs), drastically cutting spending in a recession (which would lead to depression), doing away with clear air and water regulations to help oil and chemical companies while putting people’s health in jeopardy, etc. After all, they are the right wing, backward-thinking, religious kooks who want to live in an 18th century time warp. Fortunately, there are not enough of these clowns to win a major election, in spite of the Koch bros dumping millions in support of their idiotic ideas!
Posted by: usa8888 | November 6, 2011, 10:55 am 10:55 am
If it were something exposed about Obama in the 2008 campaign, the GOP would have ridden it into the ground.
Posted by: BikernAz12 | November 6, 2011, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Searambler, you doing any fishing?
Posted by: BikernAz12 | November 6, 2011, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Searambler, you doing any fishing?
Posted by: BikernAz12 | November 6, 2011, 11:52 am.
Sadly, not much. Most of the boats are off the lakes and put away for Winter. I won’t do much until ice fishing season, which around here usually starts the middle of January………
Posted by: Searambler | November 6, 2011, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Conservatives are actually considering voting for someone like Cain with sexual abuse / harassment charges against him? C’mon, wake up people..
Is the GOP that desperate for a candidate that they would vote for someone like this??? Please , they have hit an all time LOW LOW LOW
Posted by: Cary | November 6, 2011, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
@Searambler-Good luck with the ice fishing. Fishing has not been good here at all.
Posted by: BikernAz12 | November 6, 2011, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Newt is the smartest candidate out there. Nobody matches up Repub or Democrap. I would really like to see Obummer and Newt in a debate. O would be toast.
Posted by: Jerry | November 6, 2011, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
A “FRIENDLY” “DEBATE?” BETWEEN A CON MAN AND A CLOWN, you might say. Gingrich, an Old South racist and fraud artist (censored by Congress) living on his PAC, finally finds a black man “their own black” he can agree with–the one who hates his own skin and is a traitor to his race. Where do Republicans find these “blacks” starting, prominently, with Uncle Justice Thomas? They never find blacks that are sympathetic to their people’s cause as if the Republican aim is to sabotage or reverse black progress in America. Cain is a paid clown and mouthpiece of the Koch Brothers, their “brother by another mother.” Interesting Cain is spilling this family secret–that the Koch Brothers’ family fathered an illegitimate child. Gingrich and Cain are now famous adulterers hence they can easily come to each others embrace. On that they will surely find common grounds.
Posted by: Dr. Sam | November 6, 2011, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Doesn’t matter what Cain says. The racist main stream media and their merry democrats will accuse him without proof.
Posted by: jonny | November 6, 2011, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
JONNY: “Doesn’t matter what Cain says. The racist main stream media and their merry democrats will accuse him without proof.” – - – ROFL. How is it racist? Do have PROOF that the media has failed to report when white guys or liberal guys or white liberal guys had formal sexual harassment complaints made against them? How convenient for you and Cain that Cain’s former organization controls all of the paperwork and complaints (i.e. the only physical evidence/proof). If Cain is so innocent then why isn’t Cain the one asking for the Restaurant Association to release a redacted version of the official complaint, a redacted copy of their paperwork of their official investigation, and a redacted copy of the settlement? Cain and his former association controls all of the paperwork and they are the only ones who can authorize the public release of even a redacted copy of the paperwork. If Cain’s account is the least bit accurate then the association’s paperwork would substantiate his version and refute the women’s versions. So, why isn’t Cain SCREAMING for the association to release a redacted version of all their paperwork? What is Cain hiding? Hmm, I wonder. Might it be that paperwork would clearly illustrate just how much Cain has been lying? Why should the complainants not maintain their anonymity? Why should they subject themselves to the character assassination misogynists like you and radio will heap upon them? What sane person would willingly subject themselves to that kind of hate and vitriol? That is precisely why so many women are AFRAID to report sexual harassment, and sexual assault, and rape – because of the way misogynists treat them. I know of no rational reason to doubt the women or to beliee Cain, especially considering how often he lied that first day. I no of no evidence or proof upon which base a rational reason to doubt the women. And the Resaurant Association controls all of the paperwork that can support or refute what Cain has said.
Posted by: B-K KnightRider | November 6, 2011, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
“I hope the presstitutes keeps hounding Herman Cain. Every time they beat that dead horse more voters realize how hollow these charges are and how vile the people are who pursue them.” ~~~~~~~ Nah. The opposite is happening. People are watching carefully how Cain is handling the disclosure of the two past sexual harassment claims and their settlements. Without knowing the content of those claims, we know he’s lied about their very existence, lied about what he “remembers” about them, and now wishes to avoid talking about them altogether, as if sexual harassment allegations are irrelevant when a person seeks high executive office and will be overseeing numerous female employees and interacting with female as well as male press officials. His CURRENT actions are hurting him. His CURRENT actions are showing him unfit for office, and that’s without even knowing how serious the original incidents were.
And B-K Knightrider: Nail. Head. Direct hit.
Posted by: Minorkey1 | November 6, 2011, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
MINORKEY1: “And B-K Knightrider: Nail. Head. Direct hit.” – - – Thank you. I have also noticed in several forums how you have been doing your own share of nail head hitting. Keep it up.
Posted by: B-K KnightRider | November 6, 2011, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
The Left is rabid to pin ANYTHING on a conservative, especially one like Cain. Using Saul Alinski’s rule #11 (Pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it, lie about it, do what ever it takes to discredit your target), they are trying to do exactly what Mr. Cain said they were doing- distract from the real message. If they WERE honest, they would have done a MINIMAL amount of research and found that the records were sealed, and Mr. Cain was never involved with the outcome. Enough said, I admire Mr. Cain keeping his integrity and pride by refusing to play the Liberal Media’s game. President Reagan didn’t either.
Posted by: plucknpick | November 6, 2011, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
PLUCKNPICK: ‘The Left is rabid to pin ANYTHING on a conservative, especially one like Cain. Using Saul Alinski’s rule #11 (Pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it, lie about it, do what ever it takes to discredit your target), they are trying to do exactly what Mr. Cain said they were doing- distract from the real message. If they WERE honest, they would have done a MINIMAL amount of research and found that the records were sealed, and Mr. Cain was never involved with the outcome. Enough said, I admire Mr. Cain keeping his integrity and pride by refusing to play the Liberal Media’s game. President Reagan didn’t either.” – - – That is only a pathetic attempt to create a red herring and a straw man. The REAL issues are: 1) Did Cain engage in serial sexual harassment (the available evidence satisfies me that he did. 2) Did Cain LIE the first few times he got questions about the issue. YES HE DID. His lies are on video. The media NEVER said Cain was “involved in the outcome” – that was your straw man. That is also patently false because again the media never said he was “involved with the outcome.” That is also one of your pathetic red herrings because whether or not he was involved with the outcome IS NOT THE FRIGGIN POINT. Go back to real issue #1. Cain WAS most certainly involved with the beginning and the middle. Either he sexual harassed multiple women on multiple occasions or he did not. I am not aware of any RATIONAL reasons to doubt the women. I am not aware of any reliable objective or subjective evidence upon which to base a RATIONAL reason to doubt the women and believe Cain’s account of the incidents – especially after he LIED about it more than once. Finally, how is Cain’s attempt to engage in character assassination of the women NOT ALSO a perfect example of Saul Alinski’s rule #11? Finally, where is your evidence that the women or anyone else has lied about Cain?
Posted by: B-K KnightRider | November 7, 2011, 11:49 am 11:49 am
I don’t care if Cain is guilty of sexual harrassment or not, he’s STILL UNqualified to be the President of the USA! Making jokes about his lack of knowledge in world affairs is NOT funny. He will NOT end up as the Republicans nominee!!
Posted by: demNme5 | November 7, 2011, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
I can see Cain making the same statements when the 40th accusation comes out. What do they say about smoke?
Posted by: Paul Villa | November 7, 2011, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
In America, anyone can become president. That’s the problem.
Posted by: Paul Villa | November 7, 2011, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
DEMNME5–”I don’t care if Cain is guilty of sexual harrassment or not, he’s STILL UNqualified to be the President of the USA! Making jokes about his lack of knowledge in world affairs is NOT funny. He will NOT end up as the Republicans nominee!! —- Care to compare his knowledge, experience, and track record witht he one we have in office now?? At least he was successful in several businesses, is open about his educational history (which is impressive), and has expressed a willingness to surround himself with experts in the fields that he lacks exerience in.. Obama on the other hand just surrounds himself with other ivy league egg-heads who have no more experience that he does.
Posted by: arkie vet | November 8, 2011, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
B-K Knight rider–”The REAL issues are: 1) Did Cain engage in serial sexual harassment (the available evidence satisfies me that he did. 2) Did Cain LIE the first few times he got questions about the issue. YES HE DID. His lies are on video. The media NEVER said Cain was “involved in the outcome” – that was your straw man. That is also patently false because again the media never said he was “involved with the outcome”— 1.) What evidence?? NONE of the first two women have provided ANY evidence that even discloses the nature of their claims. EVEN after Cain asked the Restaurant association to LIFT he non-disclosure agreement and they did, the women STILL made no comment regarding the specifics of the allegations. The third woman did not even file a complaint to begin with. 2.) No he did not lie, he said that he believed there was a minor settlement and stated what he THOUGHT it was.. Later it was found out that the settlement was accomplished WITHOUT his involvement so, in all probability, he was NOT aware of the specifics..3.) actually the media DID imply that he was involved in the outcome.. It wasn’t until the Restaurant Association stated that THEY had settled without his input that the media backed off on their contention that Cain wa involved. —”Either he sexual harassed multiple women on multiple occasions or he did not. I am not aware of any RATIONAL reasons to doubt the women”— You meqan other than the fact that both have said the incidents were “uncomfortable” in nature rather than explicitly sexual in nature, the fact that despite the non disclosure agreeement being LIFTED, neither have made a statement either in public or private regarding the specifics, and the fact that the relatively low amount of the settlement and the fact that the accused was not involved in the proceedings would indicate that it was a frivioulous claim that was resolved the most inexpensive way (no court, no depositions and no on-going legal battles). This sort of thing occurs constantly.. and you are naive to think it doesn’t, its much cheaperfor a company to provide a small payout with a non disclosure contract than it is to spend 5 times that much disproving it in court.. Cain has NO responsibility to “explain” anything unless specifics are brought to bear, and HE DID authorize them by getting the agreement waived.. As far as the latest woman is concerned, she has specifics, but her story does NOT stand up as harrassment.. more like a date that did not go well…
Posted by: arkie vet | November 8, 2011, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
B-K Knight rider–”Do have PROOF that the media has failed to report when white guys or liberal guys or white liberal guys had formal sexual harassment complaints made against them? “— Ummm ARE YOU KIDDING?, Politico alone has run over a HUNDRED stories on Cain in the last week.. Want to take a guess at how many stories were run on Clinton prior to the special prosecutor? Almost NONE that portrayed him in a bad light. There were multiple stories that the issue was personal and the questions should not even be asked.. And, there WERE multiple stories dragging the reputations of Paula Jones (she was called trailer park trash), Jennifer Flowers (called a gold digger because she granted an article to Playboy), Kathleen Twilly (called unbalanced and unstable by the NOW leaders and feminists), Even Lewinski was accused of actively seeking sex from Clinton simply because of his position. NOT one of these articles layed the blame at Clinton’s feet, no one called him a preditor, and no one demanded that he explain himself (except the procecutor) which is why we got the famous “depends on the meaning of IS” statement that NO one in the media questoned… PLEASE.. No proof??? What rock have you been living under for the last 20 years??
Posted by: arkie vet | November 8, 2011, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm