Obama Says GOP Candidates Are Wrong, Waterboarding is ‘Torture’

Obama caught Osama in 3 years of his presidency something Bush and his morons coudn’t do in how many years? well if you can do the math then you know who is right on about this issue

commonsenseparty | November 14, 2011, 3:02 am 3:02 am : First you are wrong about how Osama was caught/killed it wasn’t a matter of time but it was rather a strategical approach & investigation that took an entire year. I don’t think you need any explaination about how the Bush-Cheney administration over spent as well..

The boundaries that protect the innocence of the people become questioned when torturous measures are used to gain something that is not other wised premised, while the objective sought may be of equal value to the majority vote such factors of how this goal is reached. Are the elements received any more truthful when theories are tested at sake of others.

Yeah – Waterboarding terrorists is bad, but violently
Killing American babies up to nine months in the
Womb is okay! ? !What would Lincoln do ?
Until we stop allowing massacring innocent
Children , there is NO room to pretend we are:
“civil” / “Civilized”. Abortion is the worst savagery …
For what ? A romp in the hay ? That’s beyond
Repulsive . Obama is such a fake … He denies comfort
Rooms to infants born alive after abortions, but
Then pretends he has a conscience …

The story is on you tube — he is pro- terrorist but
Anti-deafen less babies.

That’s psychotic… But he’s the king of lies , so
What does anybody really expect ?

PS: Ask yourself: what was the purpose of denying comfort rooms
To infants who are going to die anyway. He was the only one to vote against
It… He didn’t want to “punish” the staff “with a baby” I guess. The man
Is the strangest being to come along EVER . Anyone who can see any
Good in him, please inform the rest of us. Heaven help US !

“”"”"”"”I don’t think you need any explaination about how the Bush-Cheney administration over spent as well..”"”"”"”"

Posted by: Hussein | November 14, 2011, 5:37 am

That’s your defense? Bush did it so Obama can too? I didn’t vote for Bush because of his handling of the wars and the spending. Now, Obama is on track to spend the same in half the time. You might be OK with that, I am not. Instead, he wastes his time on what candidates say about waterboarding? How about we FINALLY focus on the economy for a change after 3 years of waiting and a ridiculous Obamacare law that clearly is not deficit neutral? Obama, Pelosi and Reid should not have another chance in a leadership position. Don’t take my word for it, just look at the numbers from the time Pelosi started as speaker until her reign ended. Those numbers will melt your face!

As far as my opinion on Waterboarding – I see it
As torture … Is it Un-American ? Is it a necessary
Means to an end ? Should it be used routinely or
Just as a last resort ? To me, because war is war, I
Think there are a lot of “grey areas”, but “enhanced
Interrogation technique ” just sounds like a metaphor
For torture … Let’s talk about those less fortunate than
The terrorist – lets talk about the rights of our own
Defenseless American citizens In the womb ( they have feelings/nervous systems too)
And are alive when brutalized and unceremoniously
Murdered on demand.

Yeah – Waterboarding terrorists is bad, but violently
Killing American babies up to nine months in the
Womb is okay! ? !What would Lincoln do ?
Until we stop allowing massacring innocent
Children , there is NO room to pretend we are:
“civil” / “Civilized”. Abortion is the worst savagery …
For what ? A romp in the hay ? That’s beyond
Repulsive . Obama is such a fake … He denies comfort
Rooms to infants born alive after abortions, but
Then pretends he has a conscience …

The story is on you tube — he is pro- terrorist but
Anti-deafen less babies.

That’s psychotic… But he’s the king of lies , so
What does anybody really expect ?

PS: Ask yourself: what was the purpose of denying comfort rooms
To infants who are going to die anyway. He was the only one to vote against
It… He didn’t want to “punish” the staff “with a baby” I guess. The man
Is the strangest being to come along EVER . Anyone who can see any
Good in him, please inform the rest of us. Heaven help US !

Someone care to explain difference between waterboarding vs drones or Seal snipers?

Maybee Mr. Cain will submit to a waterboard session to answer questions abou the women in his life.

He doesn’t believe in water boarding but it’s OK if he takes the credit for all the information Bush policies got him, .that’s Obama, take credit for anything good and blame others if it goes badly.

Water-boarding is torture and useless. It’s also against the Geneva Convention. The republican excuse is that these people are not technically enemy soldiers, I agree. Then the republicans say they should be tried by the military. You can’t have it both ways. The military should not be trying criminal thugs, by doing so you just elevate their status. These people are common criminals and should be tried in civilian courts by a jury of American citizens.

Yeah, Obama is a lot more interested in illegal, unconstitutional invasions of sovereign Nations under the guise of ending dictatorships which result in terrorist organizations taking over said Nation (Libya). What a joke. Nixon was forced from office for a lot less. Slick Willie was served Articles of Impeachment for a lot less – just ask Monica.

What I’d like to see is an interview of the children of the Japanese officers who were executed after WW2 by the USA for waterboarding -nothing else- U.S. airmen from the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo. We called it “torture” then. Then interview the GOP and ask them if we should compensate those Japanese families for “wrongly” executing men by waterboarding “torture.” The British, who suffered for decades from IRA terrorists who even murdered British war heroes and NEVER resorted to waterboarding because they did, and still do, consider it torture. John McCain, who should know from his captivity in N.Vietnam, says it’s torture. The U.S. Marine officers in Guantanamo say it’s torture. It IS torture.

Just because we are becoming a third world economic power it doesn’t mean we need to become a third world country morally. We’ve fought many wars and have never condoned torture. That’s what made us different from our enemies. John McCain, who has actually suffered torture in a Vietnamese concentration camp, is even against water-boarding. He knows we do not do that as Americans.

BENJAMIN

I too oppose abortion, but I also oppose the death penalty. Human life is human life. The children starving here and in other countries are just as human as an egg with a sperm attached to it. Where is the outrage about their deaths? All I hear from the right wing republicans is how we have to cut programs for the poor and elderly, are their lives less important than a fetus? The hypocrisy is monumental.

commonsenseparty, I shouldn’t have to explain the definition of inheriting to you. I’ll put it more simply, President Obama was sworn into office as the country had a stock market meltdown two months earlier, record-breaking trade imbalances for years which directly translated into jobs lost here, and a banking crisis brought on by weakening banking regulations. Oh, and lets not forget the ‘inherited’ wars that were started and maintained so badly they weren’t any closer to a conclusion after 8 years of fighting, Oh, and the budget deficits due to Bush’s policies were adding debt at an alarming rate, from the wars and his Tax Cuts for the Rich. And don’t forget the ongoing interest on all that new debt, year after year.
He didn’t spend a trillion dollars on the Affordable Care Act and no competent economist would say that. Most of the proposals don’t even come in to effect until 2014.
Most reputable economists said the trillion on stimulus was too little for a country of our size. But they agree that spending it prevented us from falling in to a Depression. A depression causes much more suffering and is harder to pull out of than a recession, so the wisdom of the stimulus is obvious to all those who aren’t wearing partisan glasses. Try to understand that all the money people lost in the stock market, in housing values and other investments was causing a downward spiral of lost jobs, lower government revenue on the state and federal level, which continued the job losses. For heaven’s sake, in some places they were laying off tons of police and firemen, that’s how much harm had been done to the economy. And the Republicans answer was to block almost every credible jobs plan, even a bill that would have increased the percentage of American-made goods purchased by our government and military!
Stop watching so much fixed news, use a reliable non-partisan factcheck site when politicians speak and maybe you’ll see the light, that the Republican policies of the last 30 years that they continue to tout are the worst thing for our economy, jobs and the well-being of the vast majority of the American people.

art posted, “They are sworn to kill us all. They believe in a satanic god, who says it’s okay to kill infidals, babies, women, even our own if they get in the way.”

Prove it.

If we train our own military with it……it is fair game for the enemy.
If it isn’t fair game for the enemy, then stop using it against our own guys, in training. Posted by: Rick McDaniel | November 14, 2011, 9:42 am.

HUH?!?!?

Waterboarding is part of a fundamental Conservative notion that “getting back” and war are preferred directions for our government. The underlying idea is that these are the best actions to create a safer and better world.

In my view, that’s one reason why Conservatives can be vehemently pro-life on one hand, yet support torture, war, and suffering on the other hand. But here’s what is mystifying for Progressives like me: today’s conservative political power calls itself a Christian voice, yet Christ’s teachings clearly oppose violence, revenge, bloodshed and war; his teachings support loving one another, helping for the poor, and caring for little children.

Our society is now faced with paying back borrowed Trillions spent on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. While we sit in the shambles of our economy, we are looking back at a decade of “getting back” after 9/11 and questioning the value of so many lost lives and so much spent national treasure.

I think the nation has reached a general consensus that our economic recovery demands this debt must be paid. But here’s the REAL question: where does the money come from?

Conservatives want to reduce the debt immediately – not by drastically cutting massively ballooned military spending, but by reducing social services while enforcing their view of “austerity” on the downtrodden. Progressives want to cut the debt by immediately creating more tax payments (new jobs, closed corporate loopholes, and raised taxes on the wealthy) while reducing military spending over time.

The elections ahead will force us to decide what directions Americans want to build for our generations ahead.

Abortion is murder …. Brutal , heartless murder.
There will always be ills in our world ( unless
We all really act like Jesus -wanted ). But a society
Who disregards the most vulnerable human life as human waste
Cannot sustain itself as a civil society . Truth be told,all other “issues”
Are based on this – is human life precious ?- at all stages-an
Inherent , inalienable right ?…. When we say “no” in reply, we Reduce ourselves
to an uncivil society and every other argument falls into
Hypocrisy . Doctors know when life begins… That’s why
They didn’t have to take the “Hypocratic Oath” After abortion was made
Legal. ( that mentions
Never using abortifacients and:”First Do No Harm” )–no longer
Is required by MD s entering the medical field.
Hunger and other travesties have many organizations
Compared to these victims . These voiceless victims
Are hidden and disposed of as “waste” … Look at
The pictures of their poor mangled bodies on the Internet .
That’s only part of the story. We will never know
If we killed the next Lincoln or the next cure for cancer.
We all started as “sperm and egg” … And that’s a miracle
Not to be taken so lightly. To do so , is to lend one’s very
Soul to Nazi -Like Mentality. Besides, many babies are
Viable (able to survive outside of mother). A country that can’t protect or
Defend
Its most helpless members is not fit to comment
Much else in the arena of morality.

You’re absolutely right ,” Common Sense”…. I wonder why he didn’t shoot
His terrorist friends along with that other citizen that he shot : his friends
From the elite hood – Bernadine Dohrn and William Ayers ?
Selective about which home- terrorists he kills (?)
This incarnate is just “too much”, yet during the campaign 2008 ,
the press
Corps didn’t even dare say the word “controversial” when tip-toeing
Around him. They gave about as much opposition to this “unknown” entity”
As a stuffed teddy bear on Valium .
PS:
I miss President Bush too. He wasn’t perfect but he had good intentions (
Maybe that’s why we’re here (lol). …. Get it – The road to hell.

Obviously he hasn’t been following up on his history. What does he think was going on during the research of nuclear fallout and isotopes on babies, mothers, blacks, and others in the 50s? Remember the infecting of thousands of Guatamalans with gnorrhea and syphillis just to see what would happen? How about the doctor who was injecting people with live cancer cells, who was then elected to VP of American Cancer Society? The radiation, STD, cancer, and other tests were performed on American citizens without their permission. You really think the powers that be would be more merciful to an enemy???

Guess Mr. obam enjoys the terrorist attacking the free world. Mayb he vieo tapes the attacks and watches them like a war movie eating his pocorn and drinkg what ever beer it is for the for his summits

“Guess Mr. obam enjoys the terrorist attacking the free world. Mayb he vieo tapes the attacks and watches them like a war movie eating his pocorn and drinkg what ever beer it is for the for his summits”

Wow. Perfect example of the Right Wing of today. THIS is why we on the Left are often so disdainful of those on the Right…………..

I too oppose abortion, but I also oppose the death penalty. Human life is human life. Also the quality of that life must be considered. Every human being conceived has a right to be fed, nurtured and given the opportunity to be happy. The right wing seems to forget that life goes on after conception and you just can’t quit once the child is born.

The children starving here and in other countries are just as human as an egg with a sperm attached to it. Where is the outrage about their deaths? All I hear from the right wing republicans is how we have to cut programs for the poor and elderly, are their lives less important than a fetus? The hypocrisy is monumental.

! Anybody except Obama !

TMFERRETTI–”The children starving here and in other countries are just as human as an egg with a sperm attached to it. Where is the outrage about their deaths? All I hear from the right wing republicans is how we have to cut programs for the poor and elderly, are their lives less important than a fetus? The hypocrisy is monumental.”— No one says that they are not.. and by a VAST majority, the conservatives in this country do not oppose birth control or abstinence education… Don’t confuse starving children with the right to terminate a pregnancy that many view as a viable life..One is the result of a society that refuses to educate its people and then fails to take action to protect the children while the other is the result of a society that view CONVENIENCE as more a more profound right than actual life… Right wingers do not want to cut NECESSARY programs for the elderly and for children, they want to cut the WASTE that is driving us to the brink of self destruction… Let me ask you which is worse? Cutting Medicare or Social security even if it means that someone might have LESS, or leaving it alone to collapse from its own weight resulting in EVERYONE having NOTHING… Which is ther greater evil, necessary cuts, or ignoring the problem until EVERYONE suffers fully?

SEARAMBLER–” Ergo, abortion is not ‘murdering babies’. I support a woman’s choice to do with HER OWN BODY what she deems fit. Whatever her decision is, it is between her, her doctor, and her god. What gives YOU the right to tell someone else what they can and cannot do with THEIR OWN BODY?!?!?”— Hummm.. Okay, lets take that at face value.. Then by your logic, If I make a fist, and throw a punch (something that i am doing with my OWN BODY), I can not be held accountable if my fist breaks someone’s nose? Right? What someone does with their own body IS their right according to you. Obviously, not if that right infringes on the safety and well being of someone else.. EXCEPT in the case of abortion… In the case of Abortion, the right of the woman extends into the third trimester.. when the child has fingers, toes, eyelashes, and in some cases can actually be born prematurely and survive and flourish.. yet that child is still without any right to life… IF its biological “host” so decides… So when it comes to the “Rights” of personal control of one’s own body, thsoe rights do not extend to the act of harm to another human (or even non human creature for that matter), UNLESS that human is the most defenseless form of human life we there is.. then, its just fine…

green.goddess–”Our society is now faced with paying back borrowed Trillions spent on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. While we sit in the shambles of our economy, we are looking back at a decade of “getting back” after 9/11 and questioning the value of so many lost lives and so much spent national treasure.”— just to keep you straight… We have not spent “trillions” in Iraq.. In fact the total cost for Iraq (in additional spending) is HALF that of the 2009 “Stimulus” . The total cost of Iraq, Afganistan, and Pakistan combined from 2003 to the present is over 300 billion LESS that the total for the 2009 stimulus, TARP2, the Auto bailout, and the bailouts of Freddie, Fannie, and the major banks combined.. Obama spent 787 billion on the stimulus alone (which did not correct the unemployment problem) while the amount of money spent for Iraq frm 2003 to 2008 (Bush’s term) was Less than 565 billion and the total for all the conflicts combined during this period was 685 billion. Our wars in the middle east have not only added about 975 billion, while Obama’s Stimulus and bailouts have added 1.35 trillion….

ARKIE VET | NOVEMBER 14, 2011, 4:43 PM – Once again, you and I disagree.

The final bill for a decade of war will run at least $3.7 trillion and could reach as high as $4.4 trillion, according to the research project “Costs of War” by Brown University’s Institute for International Studies. So like I said in my first post, citizens ARE faced with paying back Trillions spent on war. Regardless of when the money is spent – in Iraq or decades later on wounded Vets – we are questioning the value of that war.

In the 10 years since U.S. troops went into Afghanistan, supposedly to root out those behind the 9/11 attacks, our spending on the conflicts totaled $2.3 trillion to $2.7 trillion.

Those numbers will continue to rise when considering overlooked costs such as long-term obligations to our wounded veterans and more projected war spending as we withdraw. And btw, the Brown University estimates do not include at least $1 trillion MORE in interest payments and other war related expenses that have not yet surfaced.

PAUL Harvely stated it is not one world. If we play by the rual that we do the rest of the world will run over us the way they do the rest of the world that can not defend it self does . So should we sit and let them over take use or should we defend ourselves in the maner it take to keap out way of life????????????????

Funny how NoBo can put down water-boarding yet it has given him one of his few successes, a dead Bin Laden. It’s analogous to him complaining about the Iraqi surge which gave him another success.

Maybe he doesn’t like it since they were both due to George Bush.

Obama is about the most stupidest president in the world he is trying to get american in a war someone need to impeach that sob