Obama to GOP: Don’t Be a ‘Grinch,’ Extend Payroll Tax Cuts

That clown Obama will say anything to anyone.

Obama, we watched you waste money for THREE years so far and what have you to show for it? $15 Trillion in debt and unemployment STILL above 9%. So much for your keeping it below 8% and your stimulus, you fool.

Now we watch you and yours jet across the country in luxury on our dime just so you can try to run on “more of the same”. I don’t fricken think so. Once was QUITE enough!

p.s. – Trish it wasn’t Obama seeking to coddle those living in ‘luxury’ (your word) at the expense of the country. It was the Republicans.

Somehow I get the feeling Obama’s “jobs bill” contains not only an extended payroll income tax break, but little strategically placed political landmines.

Trish, Mr. President let me handle your light work for you….Trish you are the disease that’s killing your precious Republican Party, you disrespect the highest office in our society and expect others to take your comments seriously. You don’t have an original thought in that pea brain. You are what I call a ditto head, you repeat all of the silly talking points Rush and company spew across the airwaves.

green.goddess wrote:”Three “foolish” fact checks, and I could not find ANY evidence of anyone in the Obama administration, including the President, making a public pledge along the lines of “if we pass the stimulus, we promise unemployment will stay below 8%.””
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You’re so right. oBama pledged that for $1 trillion in stimulus he would keep unemployment below 20%. We bow in honor of his economic genius and your astute “fact” checking. Romer and Bernstein were just disillusioned Republicans.

People who blame Obama as not leading are not honest but have an agenda. What has Obama not done to bring back the American economy to a sound footing. Blame those who are determined to make him a one time President because oftheir selfish interests. Do they think of America? No Way.
Blame Speaker Boehner and senate minority leader Mitch McConnell who cannot control their party members who have signed contracts with an unlected Gover Reinquist. They are no good leaders and cannot lead. Now, who follows the constitution?
Problem is that democrates do not work together. This is why some of them are calling for Mrs Clinton to challenge Obama at this time, with the help of CNN. CNN has an agenda and it is bad for democracy.

numbers wrote:”If the Obama administration officially pledged unemployment would stay below any particular level it should be really easy to find an exact quote to that effect….let’s see it.”
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So what did oBama promise in return for $1 TRILLION productive taxpayer dollars? Besides it becoming a slush fund for paybacks to his political cronies. Did you expect him to actually do something with it that would benefit the entire country?

“You’re so right. oBama pledged that for $1 trillion in stimulus he would keep unemployment below 20%.”

Cut the usual baloney Michelle. If the Obama administration officially pledged unemployment would stay below any particular level it should be really easy to find an exact quote to that effect….let’s see it.

POSTED BY: NUMBERS | NOVEMBER 22, 2011, 8:41 PM 8:41 PM

There isn’t any such quote and Michelle won’t be able to produce it. We could wait from now till eternity, Michelle will produce no such quote.

ABC get your pathetic house in order, I just had Michelles’ name and email in my box.. its time you get this straightened out.. Hire someone that is compentent

tom wrote:”There isn’t any such quote and Michelle won’t be able to produce it. We could wait from now till eternity, Michelle will produce no such quote.”

POSTED BY: MICHELLE SHU JAS | NOVEMBER 22, 2011, 9:19 PM 9:19 PM

Michelle you are building a history of not being able to back up the nonsense you post. At least we know now whether or not to take you seriously.

Obama’s concern for our country might be more convincing if he were back in DC hammering away at his SuperCommittee and the rest of Congress rather than campaigning.

numbers wrote:”According to the CBO and several private financial firms the stimulus created or saved millions of jobs…”
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But all this was supposed to CREATE millions of jobs. When everyone found out that it FAILED to CREATE jobs, the lefties moved the goalpost to “SAVED” jobs to cover up the abject FAILURE of oBama’s economic policies.
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“…while funding state programs nationwide and helping balance state budgets…”
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How are those state budgets today? Balanced? LOL….a temporary fix to a long term problem… oBama and the DEMOCRATS just kicked the can down the road again.

POSTED BY: MICHELLE SHU JAS | NOVEMBER 22, 2011, 10:16 PM 10:16 PM

Goodness gracious Michelle – you’re the one who once again proved before our very eyes that you’re llacking in credibility and unable to back up your phony claims.

numbers wrote:”The right-wing hasn’t been able to make a correct prediction about practically anything.”
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Well, Fred, we predicted that oBama would be an abject failure. Unfortunately, that prediction has become increasing true with every passing day.

The 8% unemployment prediction comes via a Jan. 9, 2009, report called “The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan” from Christina Romer, chairwoman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, and Jared Bernstein, the vice president’s top economic adviser.
Their report projected that the stimulus plan proposed by Obama would create 3 million to 4 million jobs by the end of 2010. The report also included a chart predicting unemployment rates with and without the stimulus. Without the stimulus (the baseline), unemployment was projected to hit about 8.5 percent in 2009 and then continue rising to a peak of about 9 percent in 2010. With the stimulus, they predicted the unemployment rate would peak at just under 8 percent in 2009.

So even though Obama didn’t say it, his team did.

“that prediction has become increasing true”

I posted facts, and you can only respond with mere biased opinion.

“With the stimulus, they predicted………..”

It was just a prediction, an estimate. It was no pledge, promise or guarantee of any kind.

One thing Michelle proves is that Republicans become very skilled liars. Kind of sad to watch.

So, is the fact that unemployment rose even as the stimulus unfolded proof that it has failed? White House officials have steadfastly maintained that the stimulus worked, even though the unemployment rate has risen above 8% projected in January 2009, it would be even worse if not for the stimulus. That was the gist of Obama’s claim in a town hall meeting on the economy in Racine, Wis., on June 30, 2010.

“Now, every economist who has looked at it has said that the recovery did its job,” Obama said. “It put a brake on the collapse of the economy. We avoided a Great Depression. We are now growing again. The problem is, No. 1, it’s hard to argue sometimes, things would have been a lot worse. Right? So people kind of say, yeah, but unemployment is still at 9.6. Yes, but it’s not 12 or 13, or 15.”

That comment was ridiculed by the Daily Show’s Jon Stewart who commented, “I believe we can all agree as Americans there are many numbers bigger than nine.”

Yep, the 8% prediction or “estimate” was flat out wrong.

“$1 TRILLION taxpayer dollars is not worth a pledge, a promise, a guarantee?”

Anybody with even just an elementary understanding of economics knows there are no guarantees Let’s see you get a guarantee from your stockbroker.

If the stimulus failed [opinion] it was because it was too small to compensate for a 5.5 trillion dollar loss in the wealth of the nation.

Prediction? Estimate? Wild-a**-guess? WTF? 8%, 9.6%, 12, 13, 15%… If nothing else you have all helped prove, what most of us already knew, that oBama and the DEMOCRATS don’t know SQUAT about economics.

numbers wrote:”Let’s see you get a guarantee from your stockbroker.”
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Mine guarantee’s that he won’t steal the money from me and hand it out to his crony buddies. The rest of the risk is up to ME! That’s a better guarantee than anyone will get from oBama and the DEMOCRATS.

That’s a better guarantee than anyone will get from oBama and the DEMOCRATS.

POSTED BY: MICHELLE SHU JAS | NOVEMBER 22, 2011, 11:14 PM 11:14 PM

After the massive economic collapse under Bush and close to 8 million people losing their jobs! in the aftermath of that disaster, we’ve now had almost two years of economic growth and millions of jobs added. Over 200,000 jobs added in the past two months.

Sure, the Republicans could have done better, except it was Bush and the Republicans who put their ‘strong’ economy in place during the 2000′s. How strong?

It collapsed like a house of cards and that’s why we’re where we are today.

Ain’t voting for them again.

Why does this abc web page keep giving me your email addresses? Something is very wrong about that. newcountryman I’m seeing your information show up in my posting box. Not good.

Jamie, The 8% estimate was published in an economic report authored by Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein from Jan. 9, 2009 on the impact the economic stimulus would have. See my 10:37 PM post.

The guy who wanted 1.2 trillion in new revenues……….wants to cut revenues?????

What’s wrong with this picture? Really?

NO…….do NOT extend the payroll tax cuts……..because that is cutting the SS and Medicare funds. It makes ZERO sense.

Jamie, The 8% estimate was published in an economic report authored by Christina Romer and Jared Bernstein from Jan. 9, 2009 on the impact the economic stimulus would have. See my 10:37 PM post.

POSTED BY: NEWCOUNTRYMAN | NOVEMBER 22, 2011, 11:29 PM 11:29 PM

Yes, and nobody stated the unemployment rate would stay below 8%. In fact in that report they specifically cautioned against taking their projections as exact or definitive, and laid out the reasons why.

Of course, the Republican right did exactly what they cautioned against and have lied and attacked the administration. That’s the Republican right wing for you.

Numbers (11:34 PM); Talk about being in denial! Good Lord! Why write a report with numbers at all? I just stated where the 8% number came from. Amazing.

Rick (11:33 PM), It’s all politics. What we’re not hearing about is all the other goodies in Obama’s jobs bill proposal. That way if he doesn’t get what he wants, he can point the fickled finger of blame again. See how it works? And it works too. All you have to do is read some of the comments here.

Numbers (11:34 PM); Talk about being in denial! . . . I just stated where the 8% number came from. Amazing.

POSTED BY: NEWCOUNTRYMAN | NOVEMBER 22, 2011, 11:55 PM 11:55 PM

Denial? Actually YOU were the who claimed “Well, I guess they didn’t “promise” it would stay below 8%, but they definitely said it would.”

I would say it is you who is in denial

Yes the information came from the Romer/Bernstein Report, and no, nobody stated the unemployment rate would stay below 8%. In fact in that report they specifically cautioned against taking their projections as exact or definitive, and laid out the reasons why.

Of course, the Republican right did exactly what they cautioned against and have lied and attacked the administration. That’s the Republican right wing for you.

“The EU problems stem directly from a LACK of austerity that has been building slowly over the past 4 decades”

Those are long term problems. Austerity has failed to boost investment short term anywhere it’s been tried. They have to get their economies growing again before they can tackle all of their debt problems. Same here in this country. If we don’t get the economy growing again, and soon, the debt is going to explode.

Does anyone really listen to Obama anymore? This man is only concerned with trying to get re-elected and is willing to destroy this great country along the way. Everything he says is designed to “blame” the Republicans because the American public finally got tired of 2.5 years of blaming George Bush. America needs a leader who is willing to bring Republicans, Democrats and Independents together to solve our fiscal problem before we follow the path to bankruptcy like Greece and Italy. We do not have a lack of revenue problem, we have a problem with a government that spends too much and operates like the Mafia.

POSTED BY: DAVID | NOVEMBER 23, 2011, 12:28 AM 12:28 AM

General Election: Romney vs. Obama Pew Research Obama 49, Romney 47 Obama +2
General Election: Gingrich vs. Obama Pew Research Obama 54, Gingrich 42 Obama +12
General Election: Perry vs. Obama Pew Research Obama 53, Perry 42 Obama +11

The EU is going to need some big moves by it’s big banks especially the ECB.

jamie wrote:”Perry used Obama stimulus money to balance his budget and now both attacks the stimulus and boasts about his balanced budgets. Again, so typical of the Republicans it’s scary.”
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Much of that money came from Texas to begin with, why wouldn’t Perry use money that was confiscated from Texans. You act like oBama opened up his wallet and gave it to Perry to use against his will.

POSTED BY: MICHELLE SHU JAS | NOVEMBER 23, 2011, 7:52 AM 7:52 AM

How many sides of your mouth do you want to talk out of at once? It was a successful use of government resources – Perry admits as much when he brags about balancing his budget using stimulus funds. The Bush use of government resources and his intelligence failures on (for instance) Iraq,’weapons of mass destruction’ and 9/11 are a different matter. Yes, the money comes from the same source – how it’s used is a different matter.