States With Strict Voter Photo ID Laws More Than Tripled In 2011
It is almost one year to the day that Americans will head to the polls for the 2012 election, but for residents in seven states, casting those ballots could be a bit more difficult than in the last go-round.
New laws requiring voters to show photo identification are set to take effect in Kansas, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. And Democrats, who as a party are staunchly opposed to voter ID laws, are already ramping up their efforts to combat the new laws.
“I lose sleep over voter suppression,” said Rep. Steve Israel, D-NY. “I lose sleep over the fact that the Republicans have said and they are embarked on a strategy that could deny millions of voters their right to go to the polls and actually vote for a candidate.”
Israel, the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said Friday that his committee is planning a “a major voter protection initiative” to “make sure that every American that has the right to vote is able to vote.”
Israel was one of 196 House Democrats who signed a letter last week urging secretaries of state to “oppose these partisan efforts to hinder access to the ballot,” as Rep. House Democratic Whip Steny H. Hoyer said in a statement announcing the letter.
“Democracy’s at stake,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi tweeted Friday, along with a link to the letter.
Prior to 2011, there were only two states with strict photo ID laws, Georgia and Indiana. Over the course of the year, four states tightened their existing ID laws to now require photos and three passed new voter ID laws.
In Texas, for example, where voters in past years have had to show some form of identification, they will now have to provide a government-issued photo ID.
“The rationale behind showing a picture ID to vote, it is something that adds an added step of integrity and security to the voting process and helps cut down on any fraud,” said Chris Elam, a spokesman for the Republican Party of Texas.
Elam pointed out that the law includes a “laundry list” of exemptions for people who may have a hard time obtaining the required identification, such as living more than 50 miles away from the nearest Division of Motor Vehicles.
A report from New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice showed that in Kansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin, all of which will enact stricter photo ID laws before the 2012 election, 3.2 million potential voters do not have the state-issued ID that will be required for them to vote.
Lawrence Norden, an author of the Brennan Center report, said he “absolutely” thinks the new ID laws could impact the outcome of the election.
“We’re not claiming that all 3.2 million, in the case of voter ID laws, are actually not going to be able to vote,” Norden said. “But what we are saying is, it’s going to make it harder for those people to vote and some portion of them are probably not going to be able to vote even though they want to.”
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Posted by: Anonymous | November 7, 2011, 6:25 am 6:25 am
What will acorn do maybe they can take pictures of headstones
Posted by: earl osborne | November 7, 2011, 6:42 am 6:42 am
This is great news unless you were hoping for Mickey Mouses vote……
Posted by: Herrera | November 7, 2011, 6:56 am 6:56 am
GREAT, GREAT news! Keep it up! Obama doesnt have a chance for reelection if the rules are followed. No more Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck votes with voter ID.
No Plan
No Clue
NOBAMA!
Posted by: David from Texas | November 7, 2011, 7:14 am 7:14 am
Voter ID are hard for people who dont drive, or dont have a driver’s licence. poor people and old people. the very people the republicans dont want to vote. Very ditry trick. Do these laws require that the state pay for the transportation to the place to get the ID,and then pay to get the ID? The Constitution never said that you could vote …>IF….you travel to three cities away where there is an RMV and then pay $75 to get an ID. The Constitution says you CAN vote if you’re a citizen. period. Putting any more restrictions on voting is unconstitutional and if you want more restrictions to prove you are a citizen then the government should pay for that. None of these states pay for the ID they require to vote, nor a way to get that ID. I am amazed these laws are Constitutional. All prior voting laws, that you could read, that you owned land, were all struck down. Do we not have a court system anymore????? The government needs to find a way to validate that registered voters vote once and that process needs to NOT cost anyone any money!!!!!! These hick states are just LAZY and purposefully trying to inhibit votes from the poor and elderly by making it a photo ID and NOT givign funds to GET photo IDs!!! This is just another poll tax.
Posted by: GrannyNosBest | November 7, 2011, 7:27 am 7:27 am
How hard is it to get an ID. People know about this for a year, so worst case call your local party and someone will transport you to motor vehicle dept to get photo ID.
Posted by: Just sayin | November 7, 2011, 7:31 am 7:31 am
If you can’t win fairly then by all means cheat. This is nothing but an attempt to cheat. For starters if there is one dime involved with securing an ID it’s a poll tax. Which isn’t constitutional.
Posted by: secondlook | November 7, 2011, 7:33 am 7:33 am
For starters if there is one dime involved with securing an ID it’s a poll tax. Which isn’t constitutional.—driver’s Id or simply photo ID from the RMV in my state is $75 and we only have an RMV about one every 40 miles. And these laws provide no transportation to get the photo ID, and no money or funds or coupon to get one. Yup. Nice way to cheat. Just make all the poor and elderly not able to vote. It’s Jim Crow days again. Republicans are such scum.
Posted by: just sayn | November 7, 2011, 7:43 am 7:43 am
I believe the voter ID laws are unconstitutional. THERE IS ALMOST NO VOTER ID FRAUD! Out of 300 million people, they found 86, THAT’S RIGHT, 86 cases of voter fraud! That’s .00000007 cases of voter fraud! And most of them were due to mistakes. This is a lie by the republicans to suppress the vote because they can’t win any other way.
Posted by: Sandy | November 7, 2011, 7:47 am 7:47 am
The media is as big a culprit as the republicans because they let them spew their lies without telling people that there really is no voter fraud. The media knows the truth and looks the other way. EDUCATING THE PUBLIC IS SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR JOB!
Posted by: Sandy | November 7, 2011, 7:48 am 7:48 am
JUST SAYIN – I’ve heard about many republican states that are putting this into law and then shutting down DMV branches and severely limiting hours in those that remain. Anything to make it harder. I hope it bites their own rear ends. What they’ve tried to do to out of state college students is even more absurd and absolutely amounts to a poll tax.
Posted by: Secondlook | November 7, 2011, 7:59 am 7:59 am
What is the big deal to show an ID to vote? I need to show my ID to get into a bar, buy booze or tobacco, get into an R rated movie, buy or rent certain DVD’s and video games, cash a check, pay for something with a check or credit card, make a withdraw from the bank, buy a fishing or hunting licsense, if I get pulled over, buying a house or life insurance, and so on, and so on, and so on. The city liquor stores here already have the readers that my ID MUST be scanned with before anything can be rung up on the register. The equipment cannot be too expensive if the city mandated such equipment at a risk of losing sales.
I cannot understand how this has not been required for years already. When I go into my pol, I am asked my name. They look it up on the print out and check my name off and I get my ballot. If I knew other names on that list there is nothing that would prevent me from coming back later and voting again using someone elses name. I really believe there is ALOT more fraud then is reported as it it entirely too easy to vote more then once using another name. I also believe that the number of people out there with no form of ID at all and without the will or means to obtain one are so small that the loss of votes from these people would make no impact, either way on the results of an election.
I thought that everyone wanted accurate, honest elections? How can doing something like voter ID to ensure the integrity of the election be a bad thing?? Those lawmakers should be losing sleep over the unsecured border with mexico, or the crappy economy instead of whether someone needs to prove who they are to cast a vote.
Posted by: ID ME | November 7, 2011, 8:15 am 8:15 am
It must really be sad to be a Democrat, always wanting something for nothing ! It’s time to break the chains of the Democratic plantation owners and think and act for yourselves !!!!!!
Posted by: IVOTETOO | November 7, 2011, 8:24 am 8:24 am
It must be sad to be a republican. Always making up things and not operating in reality. Hating half the country, the liberals. Hating the country and wanting to turn it into something completely different.
Posted by: Secondlook | November 7, 2011, 8:28 am 8:28 am
What are the Democrats going to do now? They will have to find new ways to steal elections, they can still try and make the military votes not count as usual plus George Soros said he was going to get more Sec. of States elected to over turn elections in Democrats favor.
Posted by: Freedom | November 7, 2011, 8:31 am 8:31 am
Good. There has been concrete evidence of voter fraud by Democrats, in Indiana, and that is only the tip of the iceberg.
Does anyone really think, NONE of those 12 million illegals are voting?????? Why do you think the Democrats WANT them here?????
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | November 7, 2011, 8:44 am 8:44 am
What are the Democrats going to do now? They will have to find new ways to steal elections…… Posted by: Freedom | November 7, 2011, 8:31 am.
You mean, like by using the Supreme Court? Ooops, that’s been done, remember the presidential election of 2000.
Please specify for the class what elections have been ‘stolen’ by the Democrats. Details are needed for your allegation, or else you can just admit that you made that up and Democrats haven’t really stolen any elections………..
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 8:46 am 8:46 am
So democrats are opposing the idea that the citizenary of this country, actually prove they’re citizens before they vote? I don’t get it.
You can’t do a single thing in this country without an I.D. This day and age, I’m not seeing the reasons to be against ID’s.
Posted by: Duke | November 7, 2011, 8:47 am 8:47 am
Good. There has been concrete evidence of voter fraud by Democrats, in Indiana, and that is only the tip of the iceberg.
Does anyone really think, NONE of those 12 million illegals are voting?????? Why do you think the Democrats WANT them here?????
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | November 7, 2011, 8:44 am.
Oh good grief! More Republican lies. As usual. Please provide this ‘concrete proof’ of Indiana voter fraud by Democrats. Then google Charlie White, the REPUBLICAN Secretary of State and HIS indictment on voter fraud charges (among others). I await your proof.
Your contention that Democrats want illegals here is another lie. Illegals are too busy working for their REPUBLICAN employers to get a Tuesday off to go and vote. FYI, the current Democratic administration has deported more illegals and more violent criminal illegals than his predecessors. Which puts the lie to your banal statement. Remember, it was REAGAN who signed the Amnesty order………….
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 8:53 am 8:53 am
Good. There has been concrete evidence of voter fraud by Democrats, in Indiana, and that is only the tip of the iceberg.
Does anyone really think, NONE of those 12 million illegals are voting?????? Why do you think the Democrats WANT them here?????
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | November 7, 2011, 8:44 am.
Oh good grief! More Republican lies. As usual. Please provide this ‘concrete proof’ of Indiana voter fraud by Democrats. Then google Charlie White, the REPUBLICAN Secretary of State and HIS indictment on voter fraud charges (among others). I await your proof.
Your contention that Democrats want illegals here is another lie. Illegals are too busy working for their REPUBLICAN employers to get a Tuesday off to go and vote. FYI, the current Democratic administration has deported more illegals and more violent criminal illegals than his predecessors. Which puts the lie to your banal statement. Remember, it was REAGAN who signed the Amnesty order……….
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 8:53 am 8:53 am
I am tired of voters taking names off of gravestones in Louisiana and of the notion to vote early, and vote often. Democrats have benefited far more from this nonsense than Republicans. Therefore, it comes as no surprise that Democrats would be protesting the process of actually making sure that voters can vote, but only vote ONCE. This is totally foreign to the left and far left. The last election had voting recruiters visiting prisons to get votes, and even delay immigration enforcement, save for criminals, to garner votes enough to pull the wool over voters’ eyes yet another time. It looks like a level playing field is just not the Democrat cup of tea. Wow! Tax and spend AND dig up votes. Figuratively and literally.
Posted by: curtis41 | November 7, 2011, 9:00 am 9:00 am
These new laws do NOTHING to address true election fraud in this country. Fraud at the polls, at the actual ballot box, is virtually unheard of in this country. Because individuals KNOW that trying it will get them caught, AND that voting twice for someone is less than a drop in a bucket compared to the total number of votes cast. Voter registration fraud or absentee ballot fraud is only slightly more common, but neither of THOSE crimes can be addressed or combated with voter ID laws. In other words, voter ID laws don’t stop, or even affect, true voter or election fraud. They ONLY thing they do is prevent legal Americans from voting. The ONLY reason Republicans across the country are enacting these laws is Democratic voter suppression. Deliberately disenfranchising certain demographics who traditionally vote Democrat: the poor, minorities, and college students. These groups are the most likely to NOT have the ID now being required. They have been trying to get laws like these on the books for decades, and now, thanks to the idiot voters in their states who gave the Republicans the majorities there, they are succeeding. But they know they can’t continue to win unless they change the rules into their favor. It borders on criminal, what these Republicans across the country are doing. Deliberately preventing legal Americans from exercising their Constitutional right to vote with the made-up excuse of preventing voter fraud. There WAS a time when Republicans actually honored the Constitution. Now they treat it like toilet paper……………..
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Curtis41 —- Lots of allegations, nothing to back them up. Typical………..
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 9:11 am 9:11 am
SEARAMLER: The thief-in-chief didn’t win the 2000 election. Gore did by violating Florida rule. Breakdown of those overseas ballots —-344 ballots had no evidence that they were cast on or before Election Day. 183 ballots were postmarked in the United States. 96 ballots lacked appropriate witness information. 169 ballots came from unregistered voters, had envelopes that weren’t signed properly, or came from people that hadn’t requested a ballot. 5 ballots came after the November 17 deadline. 19 overseas voters voted on two ballots and had both counted. This brought the count down to a chilly minus 7 for Bush. That is when at 2:45pm the Supreme court stepped in and stopped the recount. Bush didn’t win, Gore did.
Posted by: howdymo1 | November 7, 2011, 9:16 am 9:16 am
I must correct myself. Gore didn’t violate Florida rule. The Bush camp did.
Posted by: howdymo1 | November 7, 2011, 9:21 am 9:21 am
I must admit I never understood this. I’ve always had to show a picture ID to vote.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 9:25 am 9:25 am
You can’t do a single thing in this country without an I.D.
Posted by: Duke | November 7, 2011, 8:47 am.
Sure you can. You can do TONS of things in this country without showing any ID whatsoever. You can literally drive from Maine to California without once showing any kind of ID. You can stay in any hotel across the land if you have the cash or the plastic, but no ID. I can walk into a liquor store and buy a bottle without showing ID. There are millions of things you can do that do not require identification be presented before doing them. One of the great things about living in ‘the land of the free’. (Although Republicans apparently don’t WANT you to be free anymore). Your statement is pure silliness………
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Sea; But don’t get pulled over.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 9:32 am 9:32 am
I find it funny that people would oppose these laws, especially after many states came forward and admitted that 10′s of thousands of ineligible voters voted in the last election. Who is stealing what? Democrats are just angry cause the illegals will not be keeping them in power this coming election. It’s about time something was done and frankly a new id can be ordered on line through your local DMV for $5 so get over it.
Posted by: Marsha | November 7, 2011, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Silly? What is silly is thinking you can drive across this country without an ID, which is what you implied. Just because a person might not have to show it, it is still required. As in the law.
Silly is thinking that just because you personally have not been asked for an ID to buy alcohol it is required to prove you are of legal age. I get carded (and I’m in my 40′s) for alcohol. I don’t go to the store without it because there is a chance I might be asked to show my ID.
You have to be an American to vote. Requiring an ID to prove that you are who you say you are, that you are not a felon, and that you only vote once are all something that makes perfect sense.
Posted by: duke | November 7, 2011, 9:46 am 9:46 am
I can walk into a liquor store and buy a bottle without showing ID. Posted by Sea….. Either your so ancient that noone disputes that your over 21 or the Alcohol and Drug administration in your state should be informed of the violation. Yes Reagan signed the amnesty order after the DEMOCRATS promised to secure the border, we are still wating for that promise plus the one the promised to cut $3 for every $1 spent. That just shows Democrats promise anything to get their way.
Posted by: Lizzie | November 7, 2011, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Newcountryman: I always had to show voter id myself a license, but to force upon people who can’t get access to this is another issue and the college kids, that is below the belt, and by doing this, they made an angrier youth vote once upon graduation. That doesn’t go away for a long time.
Posted by: phantomniter | November 7, 2011, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Al Franken (sp) is one example. Why not make everyone give their social security number? (I thank the Lord daily we did not get Gore for president)
Posted by: Freedom | November 7, 2011, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Voters know that the GOP can’t win in 2012. The GOP is determined to deny poor citizens their rightful vote. They want to turn back the clock to the early 20th century. They are insidious in their goals. Why is the GOP such a non-inclusive party? Don’t they realize that alienating citizens is their eventual downfall.
Posted by: Bob | November 7, 2011, 9:52 am 9:52 am
I overheard a conversation in a cafe between a couple of college students saying how they can vote twice. They voted absentee from their home town and then brought in an electric bill to vote in the city they attend college at. They were almost gloating how easy it was.
Posted by: jules | November 7, 2011, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Why not just put “Hanging-chad machines” in Democratic areas, then, adjust them so they are so HARD to push, the chads never get cut (and simply hang onto the card)? Misadjust voting machines to slant an election,OOPS already done, too late. Why not make the elderly go to the courthouse, find their birth-certificate,and go to the police station, on their bus-pass. Some may be lucky enough to have someone close enough to drive them. When these people get this done, they should take a close look and vote out the party trying to silence their vote.
Posted by: arryandan | November 7, 2011, 9:59 am 9:59 am
-just realized that Osama is dead!! Apparently he voted in Chicago’s last election. Democrats desperately need all the votes they can get, illegal or legal, dead or alive!! Illegal is not in the DNC,S vocabulary, it does not exist period!!
Posted by: winx40 | November 7, 2011, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Funny how people can come up with an ID to collect thier taxpayer funded benifits, but they dont want to present it in order to vote….. hummmmmmmmm
Posted by: Vet1973 | November 7, 2011, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Heck, Kroger asks me for an ID when I buy beer…..I’m in preety good shape and condition, but I KNOW we both KNOW I’m older than 21. I’m about to fly my airplane back home this afternoon and the FAR’s say I’d better have my (1) pilot’s license. (2) Medical certificate. (3) Aircraft Registration. (4) A/C operational manual…. Heck, the use to require a radio station license for your two way radio, but the got a little smarter.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 10:02 am 10:02 am
In the state where I live they’ll take older folks, and presumably anyone with no tranportation, to get an ID just because of this. If you can find your way to the polls at election time, you should be able to take the time to get an ID. The local church or charity organization could do it. Maybe even your neighbor. I mean if it’s important to you.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 10:06 am 10:06 am
I find it funny that people would oppose these laws, especially after many states came forward and admitted that 10′s of thousands of ineligible voters voted in the last election.
Posted by: Marsha | November 7, 2011, 9:41 am.
“Many states”? WHICH states? What specific number of “ineligible voters” voted? How was this proven? When was it discovered? Without details your post is meaningless……..
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Does anyone really think, NONE of those 12 million illegals are voting??—uhhh, yeah. How can they . We have to go to our local city hall, where we are registered, to vote. The binders are listed by street names. Each binder has two women sitting with it and those old ladies have been doing those binders since I’ve been for over 15 years. They know everyone in this city. You walk up, you must say your address, family name, your name. She opens the book to that name, street, your name. She checks off that YOU voted, you can only vote once, and then you get a ballot. Now if some illegal had some soothsayer ability and was able to say my street name, house number, and my full name (including middle name) then when I go to vote, there would be a checkmark that I already did, and then they would flag the ballot box as tampered with – as a box with a fraudulent vote in it and everyone with whom their name was checked off at that point, would be called back to vote again. Seems pretty straight forward. Maybe a pain in the neck to implement, but I dont know, they’ve been doing it here that way since forever and never ever has so much as one person ever caught someone voting in their name. I see zero way someone can vote who is not a resident of a city or town. How can you? you have to be registered to vote, first, which requires that you are citizen. Then you have to show up at the voting place and again give your full name, house number, street address – how does an illegal do this????? They have not even registered and if they give anyone else’s name, they will be caught when that person goes to vote, and the age of the person you claim you are, and you, have to coincide, so some 30 year old immigrant can’t claim to be a 70 year old lady and how would you ever know the middle name of that lady? No, I dont think there is voter fraud, unless these hick states are too stupid to implement a system that makes is impossible. If you given an absentee ballot, then you are NOT on the list in city hall on voting day whether or not you turned in that ballot. You get ONE ballot. Either on voting day OR absentee. You lose it, that’s your lost opportunity. These claim of voter fraud are just lies, and not very intelligent lies either. It’s obviously a lie done on purpose so you can deny voting to the elderly and the poor. It’s cheating. Period.
Posted by: Johnny boy | November 7, 2011, 10:09 am 10:09 am
I live in Illinois, and in the time that I have been able to vote,closing in on 40 years
I can remember but twice being asked for my voter registration card. Usually they
ask for nothing more than my name and address. But in Chicago there are always
dead people voting, happens every election it is the Chicago way. They also dig up your grave, and resell your plot, Google it if you do not believe me.
Posted by: deadwrestler | November 7, 2011, 10:11 am 10:11 am
In the 30 years I have been voting I have ALWAYS had to show some form of ID whether it be a driver license or the voter ID card that was sent to me in the mail. A very reasonable and prudent requirement.
Posted by: allen | November 7, 2011, 10:11 am 10:11 am
“Either your so ancient that noone disputes that your over 21 or the Alcohol and Drug administration in your state should be informed of the violation”.
LOL! I’m half a century old. Ancient to some, just a kid to others…………..
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 10:14 am 10:14 am
This shouldn’t even be an issue. I read it is preventing poor people from voting. You want to know the real truth? Anyone and everyone on government assistance should forfeit their rights to vote as it is a conflict of interest. Think about that. They are only voting to line their own pockets with more handouts. Do you think they’d vote for anyone that would cut spending to avoid following in Greece’s footsteps?
It doesn’t end there. I’d also require all that receive assistance to work. Unless you are truly handicapped, you can do something. Pick up trash around government housing, clean government housing, paint, pick up roadways and parks. The list could be endless. The payment is you get to be on government assistance and actually do something. No work, no pay.
I’d also require audits to all recipients. All personal perks (i phones, i pods, i pads, big screen HD’s, PS3′s, Blueray players, etc etc etc) bought with public money will be confiscated and sold. You want to buy those 22 inch rims, get a job.
Don’t even get me started on what I see in the shopping carts of those using EBT cards. The rules of what I’d allow only to be purchased would change how many people were abusing that real quick. Want lobster, twinkies, bon bons and chips? Get a job.
Posted by: sick of waste | November 7, 2011, 10:18 am 10:18 am
I get asked for my voter registration card AND a picture ID…..every time. Where do I file my complaint?
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Only the ones that are up to no good, are against that. The rest of us don’t mind.
Posted by: Lizzie | November 7, 2011, 10:24 am 10:24 am
I just asked two of my very liberal Left wing leaning friends I spent the weekend with …they said it’s obvious you should have an ID.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 10:25 am 10:25 am
SICK OF WASTE doesn’t value The Constitution.
Posted by: Secondlook | November 7, 2011, 10:28 am 10:28 am
newcountrymen they said it’s obvious you should have an ID.++++Nothing is ever “obvious” to the usual lefty bunch in here.
Posted by: allen | November 7, 2011, 10:28 am 10:28 am
In the 30 years I have been voting I have ALWAYS had to show some form of ID whether it be a driver license—I have NEVER had to show an ID. ID’s aren’t free and the access to them can be as far as 30, 40 miles way or further. our closest RMV is 45 minutes away with no traffic. To old people who dont drive and the poor who dont drive, or have access to a car, or can’t pay the $75 it is nothing short of a poll tax, which is unconstitutional. How brain dead are you people who say “what’s the big deal.” Have you no brain function at all? Can’t see past your own little lives? Brain not capable of a thought process? Funny, the northern states have no problem having policies and procedures where you get one ballot, only one, and you need to list your name, street, number, they know your age, you need to say your whole name and when you receive your one ballot, they check you off and nobody can vote again in your name. Seems pretty simple to me. with this system I honestly dont see how anyone can vote who is not registered, which requires proof of citizenship by birth certificate or citizenship certificate that needs to be done at least a month before the election. You can only vote in your home town, that’s it. this is just a poll tax. Just a way to cheat to get old people to not vote, and exclude the poor from the democracy. It’s cheating. Plan and simple.
Posted by: ReubsRThickAsBricks | November 7, 2011, 10:28 am 10:28 am
The Police can hold you up to twenty four hours for not having an i.d. in my state,
if they stop you.
Posted by: allen | November 7, 2011, 10:31 am 10:31 am
You want to know the real truth? Anyone and everyone on government assistance should forfeit their rights to vote as it is a conflict of interest. —and people who are part of the military should not be allowed to vote on the same theory. And the elderly should not be allowed to vote on the same theory, which this actually do – this inhibits the elderly from voting. Anyone who gets ANYTHING from the government should not allowed to vote then. Anyone on social security should not be allowed to vote, conflict of interest. What an idiot you are that voting for programs that may effect is a conflict of interest, you numbskull, those programs ARE of interest which is why you vote!!!! Why do you think old people have such high rates of voting????? because their entire state of being is subsidies from the government!!! Their healthcare, their prescription drugs, their social security payments, all the money they get is from the government and they protect their handouts by voting en masse!!!! So as a republican, as I see this poll tax will do, this is your purpose then? To stop old people and poor from voting. So nice of you to be perfectly candid that you want to remove their constitutional right to vote. I swear you republicans really flatter yourselves when you call yourselves Americans and claim you believe in the constitution.
Posted by: Not UR Average Joe | November 7, 2011, 10:33 am 10:33 am
If you are worried about the illegals voting, how is a picture ID going to stop them? Odds are they have already purchased bogus ID, with a photo, so presenting that to vote isn’t a problem. Or are you expecting the volunteers to be able to pick out bogus IDs?
Posted by: raggmopp | November 7, 2011, 10:34 am 10:34 am
If someone can’t drive or doesn’t have a mailing address how exactly are they going to polls in the first place to vote? If they “catch’ a ride to the polls then they obviously can catch a ride to get their ID.
Posted by: allen | November 7, 2011, 10:35 am 10:35 am
The police cannot hold you if you are not carrying ID. ID is not a requirement when walking to the store, walking the dog in the park, riding your bike, etc. Unless you want the gestapo stopping people asking for their ‘papers’.
Posted by: raggmopp | November 7, 2011, 10:37 am 10:37 am
But in Chicago there are always
dead people voting, –_I dont believe you. Of all the places that know when someone’s dies, it’s city hall. They issue the death certificate. Dont tell me they dont update the voter registration status of people once they’re dead. If they do not, gee, Einstien, perhaps you should just fix that, eh??? Seems pretty simple to me. Keeping tabs on each person who votes, requiring you give your street address, full name, and they know your age, should be more than sufficient. When you register to vote is when they check your status of citizenship and your address. Seems very simple to eliminate fraud. Simply taking the dead people off the voter registration list is hardly a reason to make 80 year old grandma with hip problem hitch a ride down 35 miles to the RMV and pay $75 out of her very tight finances to enable city hall to be dumb as stones about how to maintain their registered voter lists.
Posted by: Not UR Average Joe | November 7, 2011, 10:37 am 10:37 am
I’ve voted my whole life and have missed just three local elections due to illness. In all those years (65) I’ve NEVER been asked for an ID but I do always have my license with me. Experts on this have said that actual voter fraud is extremely RARE and amounts to less than 01%. It is MY belief that Republicans are trying to make it harder for minorities to participate in their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to vote because MOST minorities vote for Democrats. Someone here mentioned the Acorn problem and I’m surprised at how UNFAIR they’re being by NOT mentioning the Diebolt Machines that gave gw bush the tipping point votes from Ohio in 2004. Republicans are also Gerrymandering voting districts where ever they can get away with it. And, I was APPALLED at what happened recently when a committee was FIRED by the Republican Governor of that state because they thought the new districting would not give their side an upper hand but what it DID do was make it MORE fair all around!!! Got to love those slimey Republicans!!! NOT!
Posted by: demNme5 | November 7, 2011, 10:38 am 10:38 am
If you are worried about the illegals voting, how is a picture ID going to stop them? -_I would think it would make it easier for them. I think this will mostly affect the elderly. I can see a huge black market rising in the latino community for good fake voter ID’s, and no, I dont see anyone at city hall able to tell the difference. I would think it would be harder to walk in and guess what person, your age, with a name that is believable to be you, know their first, middle and last name, their street address and know that this person is not going to come in later and vote. That seems nearly impossible to hit all those things and get away with voter fraud. To simply have to show a fake ID seems like a much easier way to vote fraudulently and if that does happen in these states, that will be so ironic. Sweet justice, actually.
Posted by: Johnny boy | November 7, 2011, 10:42 am 10:42 am
A photo ID is not required for walks through the park, a walk to the store to buy groceries, catching a bus, hailing a taxi, etc. There is NO requirement to have ID on you, unless you are driving, opening a bank account, look too young to buy booze, etc. You can walk cross country without the requirement of ID.
Posted by: raggmopp | November 7, 2011, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Raggmopp The police cannot hold you if you are not carrying ID++++Get pulled over for a traffic violation and tell them you have no ID and refuse to tell them who you are and see how far you get….LOL.
Posted by: wact1 | November 7, 2011, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Republicans made up a ‘voter fraud’ controversy whole cloth, in order to suppress Democratic votes. They know it, too. If you feel you can’t win by playing by the rules, then just change the rules…………..
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 10:48 am 10:48 am
The only reason to oppose voter ID laws……..is to knowingly WANT to commit voter fraud!!!
Posted by: Rick McDaniel | November 7, 2011, 10:52 am 10:52 am
If someone can’t drive or doesn’t have a mailing address how exactly are they going to polls in the first place to vote? If they “catch’ a ride to the polls then they obviously can catch a ride to get their ID.——-why are republicans so dumb? honestly. the question you raise are so obtuse. Is this really the reach of your brainfunction. Gee, why is riding to the RMV 40 miles away than having someone drive you .5 miles down the road to vote?????? gee, that’s a tough one. And when they do go to the RMV to get the voter ID, you forgot the $75 they have to come up with. Forgot that too, huh? My lord, you repubs are not the brighterst bulbs in the box, eh?
Posted by: LadyInWaiting | November 7, 2011, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Average Joe, it is called voter Fraud and has been since the Kennedy election.
Do not believe me than Google one of the 1,970,000 articles on dead people voting
in Chicago.
Posted by: deadwrestler | November 7, 2011, 10:52 am 10:52 am
wact1 – where is my statement does it say “operating a motor vehicle”? Notice my post says walking! You win the ID10T award!
Posted by: raggmopp | November 7, 2011, 10:54 am 10:54 am
If your on public assistance you have no right to vote. As long as you’re dead weight leaching on the productive you do’t get to vote yourself more goodies & freebies.
Posted by: Lord Ligonier | November 7, 2011, 10:55 am 10:55 am
NEW SMYRNA BEACH — The teacher who heads up New Smyrna Beach High School’s student government association could face thousands of dollars in fines. Her transgression? Helping students register to vote. Prepping 17-year-olds for the privileges and responsibilities of voting in a democracy is nothing new for civics teachers, but when Jill Cicciarelli organized a drive at the start of the school year to get students pre-registered, she ran afoul of Florida’s new and controversial election law. Among other things, the new rules require that third parties who sign up new voters register with the state and that they submit applications within 48 hours. The law also reduces the time for early voting from 14 days to eight and requires voters who want to give a new address at the polls to use a provisional ballot….Fear of violating the new rules prompted the League of Women Voters to suspend voter registration efforts in Florida.
“…they (must) submit applications within 48 hours. The law also reduces the time for early voting from 14 days to eight” —- How will these measures prevent voter fraud?!?!?
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Average Joe, the City of Chicago has been run by Democrats for over fifty years.
Not my fault, I moved out of the city years ago when i realized my vote did not count.
Jesse Jackson buses, in thousands to vote every election, you think some election
official is going to open there mouth with a mob in front of them.
Posted by: deadwrestler | November 7, 2011, 11:07 am 11:07 am
This is just another republican ploy of controlling the elections. The total number of fraudulent voting problems was 86 in the entire U.S. less than 1%…but still the reps. are spending thousands of unnecessary money to fix this election…because that is exactly what they are doing….with the help of the Koch Brothers. They are closing up some registration offices in the democratic areas of their states or closing them earlier and extending hours in the rep. areas of their states and adding more offices. What 75 year old person still has a driver’s license or in some cases can locate their birth certificate. This is preventing the elderly from being able to get to the polls along with discontinuing the weekend registration or early registration. They are all of a sudden, not accepting the i.d.’s of students which they have always used. Why? They are not involved inthe 86 no. of fraudulent voters. The reason the republicans are doing this is because the elderly and the young mostly vote democratic. If this is allowed….it will affect elections for all times. We need to be out there demonstrating because our rights are being infringed on to make it more favorable for a rep. to get in. Also, this nonesense of women’s rights is disgusting.
.l. We have the right to choose.
2. No one should be able to tell someone they cannot use condemns and that is what is happening now.
3. To pass a bill that if a woman comes into the emergency and is losing her baby through no fault of her own (and this does happen, republicans) they do not have to treat her…so just let her bleed to death.
4. People left the church of England because they made everyone think like they did…and that is being repeated here and now.
5.Stay out of people’s bedrooms….talk about communism or infringing on peopl’s rights.
6.Santorum feels using condemn is against nature…well there would be a heck of a lot more babies born and in poor areas this would lead to more poverty especially for the child.
7. People should be allowed to choose how many children they want or can afford…no one party should dictate anything like this and the republicans are stepping over the Constitutional boundries with these new laws they want to put into use.
Tomorrow they will vote on when a child is a person….this will eliminate invetro and many other good things in this world. None of anyone’s business what a person does. When government can tell us how big our families should be and how many children we should have….it is time to get a new government.
Posted by: talmag | November 7, 2011, 11:11 am 11:11 am
Do not believe me than Google one of the 1,970,000 articles on dead people voting
in Chicago.—-from republican rags. Listen, I know your republican, so pragmatic logic probably makes your brain hurt, but if you dont want dead people voting, you simply take them off the voter registration list and seeing that city hall issues death certificates, it’s a pretty easy thing to do. This is not about fairness, this is about disenfranchising US citizens from voting. Already there are republicans on here unabashedly saying they want no one who gets public assistance voting, which is the elderly and the poor. It’s also the military, so I wonder that they would support ANYONE who gets government money NOT allowed to vote how they’d feel. The military get their healthcare for free, their pensions on the public dime, and their salaries on the public dime, I guess they would qualify as someone not eligible to vote as well. This is just republicans trying to steal the election by cheating. Pure and simple.
Posted by: Not UR Average Joe | November 7, 2011, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Channel 12 in Milwaukee completely busted democrats giving homeless people cigarettes in exchange for a democrat vote in 2000. It made huge local news then. Voter fraud exists, don’t pretend for a minute that it doesn’t.
Posted by: Eliminate fraud | November 7, 2011, 11:17 am 11:17 am
It’s all fairly simple. Republicans DON’T want the average person to vote because they KNOW it won’t be for their party. Republicans do NOTHING for AVERAGE people in this nation and it becomes more apparent with every one of their refusals to Raise taxes on the SUPER WEALTHY!!!! I wish for the Republican Party to disintegrate into it’s own greedy ways and for a new and BETTER party to rise up in its place with Good, Honest, Intelligent and Reasonable people to run for office within that party.
Posted by: demNme5 | November 7, 2011, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Channel 12 in Milwaukee completely busted democrats giving homeless people cigarettes in exchange for a democrat vote in 2000—how??? you walk into the polling booth alone. A republican coiuld have walked up to them and offered them two cigaretts for voting republican but in the end, the person walks into the voting booth alone and neither the republican nor the democrat knows how that person voted. This is NOT voter fraud! Duh!!!!!
Posted by: Not UR Average Joe | November 7, 2011, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Show me a college student that does not have ID, be it a drivers liscense or a student ID. Again, I had to show ID when picking up student loan funds and when I registered for classes. The number of people out there who do NOT already have some sort of ID in this day and age has got to be in the sub 1% range and of those, I would bet few of them vote. Look, you need to show ID to rent an apartment, buy a house, open a bank account, apply for government assistance and all of the other situations I mentioned earlier. There cannot be very many people out there who could not prove who they were. This should not even be an issue when showing ID is an everyday occurance. Not that you get asked daily, people do things everyday that COULD get them asked to show ID.
I am pretty certain, that with the way the voter registration rolls are analyzed with a fine tooth comb, that names of people who are registered who have not actually voted in a long time could be gleaned and used to stack the vote. That is the kind of fraud I would like to prevent. Short of asking the person who has not voted in a long time if they did vote would this type of fraud be discovered?
Everyone should be more concerned with the integrity of the election more then they are whether one person who lives so far off the beaten path that they cannot somehow get some form of ID has the priveledge to vote and probably would not anyway. If someone wants to vote, they will jump through what ever hoops that need to be jumped through to vote. I am ignoring the integrity of the people we are voting FOR all together.
Posted by: ID ME | November 7, 2011, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Channel 12 in Milwaukee completely busted democrats giving homeless people cigarettes in exchange for a democrat vote in 2000. It made huge local news then. Voter fraud exists, don’t pretend for a minute that it doesn’t.
Posted by: Eliminate fraud | November 7, 2011, 11:17 am.
Were they homeless AMERICANS? If so, then that is not voter fraud. It is nobody’s business but theirs, the reasons they vote. If they are Americans, they are entitled to vote. Period. Hell, some people vote a straight Republican ticket without having a CLUE who the idiots they are voting for are. Is that also fraud? If not, why not? That person’s reason for voting is their own, just as the homeless person’s reason for voting is their own. Americans have a right to vote, and YOU do not have the right to question their motivations for voting a particular way. Try again…..
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 11:32 am 11:32 am
The only reason to oppose voter ID laws……..is to knowingly WANT to commit voter fraud!!! Posted by: Rick McDaniel | November 7, 2011, 10:52 am.
That’s another lie, Rick. I’m still waiting for your proof that Democrats committed voter fraud in Indiana. I have a feeling I’ll be waiting forever, though……..
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 11:34 am 11:34 am
The Better Government Association recently reported of Dead people Riding the CTA
for free in Chicago. Yahoo news, Huffington Post all those Republican rags you
call them Average Joe, they all report what has gone on for over fifty years in
Democratic controlled Chicago VOTER FRAUD. I gave you all the sources so you
keep telling yourself it is not true. You might want to put on red slippers and click
your heels together if that going to make you feel any better now knowing the truth.
Posted by: deadwrestler | November 7, 2011, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Republicans are afraid they can’t win under the current rules. So they change the rules. Typical……..
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 11:36 am 11:36 am
The Republicans want small government, EXCEPT, where it is in their best interests to prohibit everybody else. Prohibit you from voting, prohibit you from a legal abortion, prohibit you from marrying who you want, prohibit you from serving in the military openly as a gay person, prohibit you from the practice of your religion, and prohibit you from good reproductive care.
Posted by: MsT-mac | November 7, 2011, 11:37 am 11:37 am
“The Better Government Association recently reported of Dead people Riding the CTA for free in Chicago.” ———- LOL! No they did not. I absolutely guarantee that not one single dead person walked onto a Chicago Transit Authority conveyance and rode it for free. I guarantee it. Now, someone who STOLE the identification of a dead person and IMPERSONATED that dead person may have done this. But that’s a horse of a different color………
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 11:38 am 11:38 am
You have to show an ID to rent a movie for crying out loud. The only reason anyone could possibly be against this is that they commit some sort of voter fraud.
Posted by: Occum's razor applies | November 7, 2011, 11:39 am 11:39 am
So maybe some of you are catching on dead people do not vote or ride the CTA,
but blatant Fraud is being committed, requiring I.D. cards for various things in this
life. The BGA and fox news Chicago carried the CTA dead people riding for free story
back in November 2010. Blatant fraud being committed. So these things only happen
in Chicago, I think not. But what are the Democrats that not only running the City
but also this state doing. VERY LITTLE.
Posted by: deadwrestler | November 7, 2011, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Desperation makes people do strange things. Honest people do not have anything to worry about.
Posted by: Common _ Sense | November 7, 2011, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
No you don’t have to show ID to rent a movie. You show ID to get a card that allows you to rent a movie, or movies. Then you show the card, which has no picture, when you want to rent a movie. I walk to the video store and rent a movie with the card issued by the video store, no other ID is required. Never do I carry ID when walking. Anytime I rent a movie I show the card, not my ID. My kids use the same card for renting movies all the time, my kids have NEVER shown ID to rent movies.
There is no requirement to carry ID. Unless you are operating a motor vehicle, opening a bank acct, getting mail from the PO, etc…
You can walk across the country and no ID is required.
Posted by: raggmopp | November 7, 2011, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
I would say honest people have a lot to worry about. Honest people do not want cops to stop and ask for your ‘papers’ (ID). I would bet that a lot of honest people would be offended and apprehensive if asked for an ID without probable cause.
Posted by: raggmopp | November 7, 2011, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Why are democrats such big whining dumbasses?
Posted by: jinny | November 7, 2011, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
I have never been asked to show ID when I vote, but the same people are at the table manning the books with the names. You have to sign at your name and they compare it to the signature on file. Voter fraud is NOT as prevalent as Republicans would have people think. What makes me laugh is that they only seem concerned when a Democrat wins – or looks like they are going to win.
Posted by: pksk531 | November 7, 2011, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
More ‘big government Republicans’ telling their sheep ‘we want less government’. Why are Republicans such big whining dumbasses?
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
This may help the dems. Unemployment may drop a little more when the fake ID business takes off. They will have to hire printers, proof readers, sales people to sell their products. The dems will claim a victory on unemployment plus gain more new votes with the illegals using the new better made fake IDs
Posted by: Jim Rod | November 7, 2011, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Where are your papers, old man? We need to see your papers.
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Where are your papers, old man? We need to see your papers.
POSTED BY: SEARAMBLER | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 12:49 PM—–I’ve got mine…How about you loser?
Posted by: jackie | November 7, 2011, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Ok guys… it is not unfair to require a photo ID at the polls. For those of the population that have difficulty making it to the DMV – then it must be difficult to make it to the polls on election day also. VOTE ABSENTEE. Unless you count the postage required for that as a tax also. Stop complaining about how the government is boxing you in and controlling your lives… you actually have control over this one.
Posted by: Quit Whining... | November 7, 2011, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
whining!? Who’s the whiners on this particular issue? Hummm…
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
I would bet that a lot of honest people would be offended and apprehensive if asked for an ID without probable cause.
POSTED BY: RAGGMOPP | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 12:10 PM—I guess you have never been through a DUI checkpoint or drivers license/registration checkpoint?
Posted by: jackson | November 7, 2011, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
We have the right to vote……There is not a damn thing that says the government or anyone else has to get YOU to the polls.
Posted by: wact1 | November 7, 2011, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Where are your papers, old man? We need to see your papers. POSTED BY: SEARAMBLER | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 12:49 PM—–I’ve got mine…How about you loser? Posted by: jackie | November 7, 2011, 12:58 pm.
LOL! Ouch, now I gotta head to the BURN UNIT after that scathing and witty rejoinder. Tell me, how long did it take for you to come up with THAT immensely intelligent, erudite comment? I want to be just like you now. I’ll start by getting a frontal lobotomy………….
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
WACT1: There is not a damn thing that says the government or anyone else has to get YOU to the polls. ====================== THAT’s why there are so many people that VOLUNTEER to drive the elderly and the poor to the polls so they CAN excercise their right to VOTE! How interesting that most voter suppression comes from the Right who KNOW that the AVERAGE, everyday citizen in the USA would NOT vote for their sorry A$$es BECAUSE THE Republicans do NOTHING for the MAJORITY of people but they DO ALL THEY CAN for the WEALTHY!!!!
Posted by: demNme5 | November 7, 2011, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Searambler—You were the idiot that posted that stupid statement. I just stooped to your level.
Posted by: jackie | November 7, 2011, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Requiring Americans who do not have the correct form of identification, to GET that identification as a prerequisite to voting, means that these states will have to give out those identifications for free. (Free to the citizens, meaning of course the state will have to pay for them). Or face the prospect of running afoul of the ‘no poll taxes’ laws. So Republicans are using tax dollars to further their political agenda……….
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Thank you Jackie, for proving once again the need for a frontal lobotomy to get down to your neck of the woods. You have absolutely no idea where my statement came from, do you………….
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
POSTED BY: DEMNME5 | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 1:30 PM —-Then you won’t have a problem driving them to get their ID then will you.
Posted by: wact1 | November 7, 2011, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
Searambler one…you say “typical” is your answer. My answer is “typical but true”. Since the republicans have been voted in by the 2010 election…there has been more unrest and anger over the items the republicans think are important. Funny…they only seem to affect the middle class and the poor. Voter fraud is exactly 1% and that includes the so called dead people …..you are listening to Fox or Rush. Why is the only way the republicans feel the elderly can vote is with a driver’s license or birth certificate? All you have to do is let them sign the book….I sign it every time I vote and my handwriting is right there for them to see…I am the same person. Why is this not good enough….I guess you can’t control who votes. While the students do have i.d.’s and have always used them to vote…why can’t they do so now…This is voter control …nothing more. Closing offices in dem. areas and opening more in rep. areas…tells you what is going on and to eliminate the early vorting hurts those who work. They have thought of everything but none of this is really necessary. They want to control who votes nothing more plain and simple. So they have killed arbitration for cops firemen and teachers…yet want them to make more sacrifices while the upper 1% gives up nothing. The income level on that group has risen by 275% while the income level of middle America is the same at 18%. Why should they be the only ones making sacrifices for this country. How about congress and the senate working a full month instead of working two weeks and taking one off or giving up some of their free health care PAID FOR BY THE VERY PEOPLE THEY ARE ASKING TO GIVE MORE. All anyone wants is a chance to work and they sit on a bill on infrastructure which they have always tauted as a good idea….just to make this president look bad. Their objective is to help him lose to hell with those out of work trying to keep their homes and pay for their kids education…These are the people they should be working for not the 1%ers….It was pointed out last week that since the tea party has joined in cahoots with the republicans…the income level of this group has risen by 25%. What does that telll you? It tells me that all they care nothing about the little guy or the cop who risks his life or the firemen who goes into burning buildintgs to save a life or the teacher who actually molds your children’s minds. They care about MONEY. and POWER.
Posted by: talmag | November 7, 2011, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
POSTED BY: SEARAMBLER | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 1:34 PM —–I really don’t give a crap…Let me know your Paypal address so I can send you a dollar and you will have the funds so you can call someone who does..
Posted by: jackie | November 7, 2011, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
POSTED BY: SEARAMBLER | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 1:31 PM A lot of states already send out voter ID cards so…….
Posted by: Gene | November 7, 2011, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
I bet Steve Israel doesn’t lose one second of sleep over voter fraud committed by those with no valid identification.
Posted by: Ken | November 7, 2011, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
jackson – been through lots of checkpoints. But you miss the point as well. I specifically state WALKING. Another ID10T award winner!
Posted by: raggmopp | November 7, 2011, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Sea; In my state you can arrange for a voter ID card….FOR FREE! No big conspiracy here.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
I specifically state WALKING POSTED BY: RAGGMOPP | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 2:09 PM They check peoples ID all the time that are “walking”. Especially in public parks and urban neighborhoods that have a high crime rate. Been there and done that. Does that make me an idiot too?
Posted by: jennifer | November 7, 2011, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
This is not about voter suppression, it is about fraudulent voter suppression, which for those concerned about their vote means their vote actually does count. I live in California which has very lenient identification requirements to vote. It is so lenient in fact that the last line in the code says ” Any doubt as to the sufficiency of the identification presented shall be resolved in favor of permitting the person to vote a regular ballot. (Title 2, California Code of Regulations, Section 20107(b).)”. That statement pretty much nullifies any requirement to present ligitimate identification
Posted by: John | November 7, 2011, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
raggmopp law enforcement can stop and ask you for ID anytime they wish. Google it….
Posted by: Gerry | November 7, 2011, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
WACT1: POSTED BY: DEMNME5 | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 1:30 PM —-Then you won’t have a problem driving them to get their ID then will you. ++++++++++++++++++++++ Nope, I live in a very INTELLIGENT state that KNOWS they can’t pull this type of voter suppression and there’s NO NEED to get those bogus IDs. We just VOTE as allowed by our Constitution as free people that are citizens of the USA!!! I guess most of those red states have lots of problems trying to keep the POOR down so they need these bogus LAWS to enforce it.
Posted by: demNme5 | November 7, 2011, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
raggmopp; Tell a police officer the next time he asks you for an ID that you’re indignant and he has no right to ask you for it. See how far that gets you. Let us know.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Now we’re down to intelligent vs. unintelligent states. Ridiculous.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
POSTED BY: DEMNME5 | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 2:47 PM=====I live in a blue state…We are mailed for free voter ID cards and must show either that or another form of ID..
Posted by: wact1 | November 7, 2011, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
POSTED BY: SEARAMBLER | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 1:34 PM —–I really don’t give a crap…Let me know your Paypal address so I can send you a dollar and you will have the funds so you can call someone who does.. Posted by: jackie | November 7, 2011, 1:46 pm.
LOL! OK, a modern twist on the old ‘here’s a dime so you can call someone who cares’ line. That was actually pretty good, Jackie. Pretty good……………
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Sea; In my state you can arrange for a voter ID card…. FOR FREE! Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 2:21 pm.
And in order to get this “free” card, you need a birth certificate, which costs money to get if you don’t have one in your house. (I don’t, mine was lost ages ago). Or you need a drivers license or state ID card, which again costs money to get. Free ain’t really free……..
Posted by: Searambler | November 7, 2011, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Sea; Doesn’t quite sound like you today. Why so wound up over this issue? I just got back flying home. You need in your possession a pilot license, a current medical, an aircraft registration, an operator manual. I guess you’ll probably say it’s a safety issue, which I would have to agree. My point is identification is needed for just about everything unless you’re a hermit off the grid. I would bet you have at least 4-5 in your wallet right now including that dreadfull voter ID. Right?
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Free ain’t really free……..
POSTED BY: SEARAMBLER | NOVEMBER 7, 2011, 3:40 PM+++Well if you can’t prove you are a citizen then thats YOUR problem and your problem only.
Posted by: allen | November 7, 2011, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Sea; “Free ain’t really free”. You’re grabbing at straws now friend.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Well, I guess if you want a passport and have to produce those acceptable and bothersome two forms of identification, that isn’t “free” either is it. Oh the injustice of it all!
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Sea; Get a copy of your birth certificate from the hospital where you were born before you hit a snag that could be much more of a problem than some idealistic vision of what kind of identification one should or should not have to have.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
I have a right to vote and purchase/possess/use a firearm. I have to fill out a Form 4473 to purchase a firearm. I say we have everyone fill out a Form 4473 to see if they are eligible to vote or just show our voter registration card to purchase a firearm.
Posted by: Mark | November 7, 2011, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Mark; Big deal. I had a firearm (handgun) taken from me on the NJ turnpike in 1984. Quit whining….
Posted by: newcountryman | November 7, 2011, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Are democrats sick in the head? I have never seen such a group of whiners before than this current crop. Has anyone ever had the gull to lose an election and then put up such a fuss about it creating nothing but problems with recall elections such as the democrats in WI have? Talk about your sore losers!!
Posted by: truth | November 7, 2011, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
yes yes about time need new law for id for the vote . to stop the FRAUD VOTE OBAMA IN 2008 , IT WAS FRAUD . STOP THOSE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM VOTE OBAMA AGAIN WITH OUT ID . THEY MIGHT HAVE FRAUD ID PLEASE WATCH OUT AND CHECK TO MAKE IT SURE NO MORE FRAUD ID EITHER . SO THEY WILL BE STUCK CANT VOTE OBAMA AGAIN THIS TIME .
GO FOR IT REP YOU DO RIGHT THING TO HAVE NEW LAW FOR NEW ID TO PROVE FOR PERSON WHO BORN THIS USA AMERICA . NOT OUT SIDE OF USA . KEEP EYE ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT WAY THEY CANT VOTE OBAMA AGAIN . STOP FRAUD TOO BAD OBAMA..
Posted by: KATHLEEN | November 8, 2011, 4:59 am 4:59 am
they need to do right thing to stop the fraud too many illegal immigrant vote obama was 67 $ last 2008 that was fraud they dont born in usa america , that is LIE VOTE FRAUD . IT TIME TO STOP THEM FROM VOTE OBAMA AGAIN . WE DONT WANT OBAMA STAY THERE OTHER FOUR YEARS NO WAY WE CANT NOT AFFOD IT . PLEASE WAKE UP AND STOP THOSE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS VOTE AGIAN DONT LET THEM WITH OUT ID . MAKE IT SURE CHECK THEIR BACK GOUND SEE IF SAME SSN NUMBER TO MATCH ID THAT WAY NO MORE FRAUD THIS TIME . NO MORE OBAMA .
Posted by: SAM | November 8, 2011, 5:10 am 5:10 am
Pretty funny. The complainers are calling the others whiners.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 8, 2011, 7:31 am 7:31 am
Most of the country thinks it should require voter’s to identify themselves and some how it’s a vast right wing conspiracy. Unfreaking believeable.
Posted by: newcountryman | November 8, 2011, 8:04 am 8:04 am
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand I don’t like the ldea of having to present any kind of ID to authorities in order to exercise my civil rights. On the other, in states that have a huge percentage of minorities (CA has over 50% minority population, a large percents of them illegal) how are you going to be sure your elected officials represent you and not the illegal population? State picture ID’s are common and no big deal. You don’t have to have a driver’s license to get a picture ID. In the end we probably need this law to protect non-citizens from putting people who represent them instead of citizens in office. If you look at what congress is doing, it seems to already be happening. Witness their extreme resistance to doing anything about illegal border crossings or to require e-verify to get a job. And to allow numerous benefits to illegals, like residency status for college? Free schools, free medical.
Posted by: susan See | November 8, 2011, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
It doesn’t require a drivers license, most states issue non drivers license Photo ID’s which are acceptable under these laws.
Posted by: Brandon | November 9, 2011, 2:02 am 2:02 am
BOTH Democrats and Republicans are making allegations here. What the hell has happened to compromise?
Posted by: Ohboyyy | November 17, 2011, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
“Prior to 2011, there were only two states with strict photo ID laws, Georgia and Indiana.”
Total lie. Michigan has had an ID requirement for years.
I’ll never believe the left’s objection is that it’ll keep people from voting. If one doesn’t have a driver’s license they can get a state photo ID and the “the poor can’t afford an ID” argument is baseless. If one is that poor they’re on some kind of assistance which requires a photo ID be shown.
Nothing but lies and deceit coming from the left in an attempt to get invalid votes cast for them.
Posted by: hank waters | December 2, 2011, 8:50 am 8:50 am