Dec 8, 2011 5:11pm

ATF Gun Scandal: Holder Declared Hostile Witness Before Congress

Rep.  Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) declared Attorney General Eric Holder a “hostile witness” before the House Judiciary Committee as Holder testified about the botched gun trafficking operation called Fast and Furious run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Issa, who serves on the Judiciary committee, has been leading the congressional inquiry into the ATF operation as chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Issa said that not all documents had been provided to his committee as investigators and he wanted to know why no emails to or from Holder appeared in the thousands of pages of documents that the Justice Department had provided to Congress.

“There is not one email that is yours.” Issa said, surrounded by boxes of documents that Justice had provided to his staff.

Issa indicated that he might subpoena Holder and other top Justice Department officials to testify before his committee in January. Holder said that the Justice Department has provided unprecedented information to Congress, and that he would consider the request to appear before Issa’s committee.

Toward  the end of the hearing, Issa indicated that if Holder and the Justice Department did not provide a solid legal basis as to why they could not  produce certain documents, Holder could be held in contempt of Congress.

Issa disagreed with Holder’s answer, and said, “John Mitchell responded the same way,” referring to President Nixon’s former attorney general who had been sent to prison for his involvement in Watergate.

Holder took offense and asked the California congressman, “Have you no shame?”

In his prepared testimony,  Holder called Fast and Furious  ”inexcusable” and said the operation run by the ATF made use of “misguided tactics.”

“This project was failed and flawed from the beginning,” Issa said. “Mr. Attorney General, the blame has to go to your desk.”

Congress had been investigating Fast and Furious and how ATF ran the gun trafficking operation that resulted in a reported 1,800 firearms flowing into Mexico. Two were found at the scene of the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, who was killed by Mexican drug smugglers on Dec. 14, 2010.

Testifying today, Holder said that the operation had been organized by ATF in Phoenix and did not originate out of Washington or from orders out of  the Justice Department headquarters.

Holder and top officials had been grilled by Congress over an inaccurate part of a letter sent to Congress about Fast and Furious.  In a Feb. 4, 2011, letter sent to Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote, “ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transportation to Mexico.”

The Justice Department formally withdrew the letter last week due to the statement and released a series of internal documents showing how the letter was crafted with input from officials at the U.S. Attorney’s office in Arizona and ATF officials.

“Documents demonstrate that department personnel relied on information provided by supervisors from the components in the best position to know the relevant facts.  We now know that some information provided by those supervisors was inaccurate,” Holder testified today.

The congressional investigation and ATF agents who blew the whistle on the controversial tactics used in Fast and Furious have shown that the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona and ATF officials knew that guns were allowed to walk into Mexico as part of the operation.

“Although the department has taken steps to ensure that such tactics are never used again, it is an unfortunate reality that we will continue to feel the effects of this flawed operation for years to come,” Holder said in his prepared testimony.

Besides Agent Terry’s death,  the guns have been traced to deaths in Mexico and to more than 40 crimes in Arizona.

Under questioning from Rep. Ted Poe (R-Texas), Holder acknowledged that others could be killed with guns linked to Fast and Furious.

“I think that’s unfortunately true,” Holder said.

“I think some heads should roll,” Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) told Holder who also echoed calls by Grassley IA) for the head of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division to resign over the scandal. Sensenbrenner also indicated that Holder or other officials could be impeached over the scandal for providing inaccurate statements to Congress.

Holder also faced continuing questions about the accuracy of his statements as to when  he first learned about Fast and Furious. Testifying before the House Judiciary Committee in May, Holder said at the time that he had  first  learned about Fast and Furious in the past few weeks.

Today Holder said that he became aware of the operation sometime in the beginning of 2011 around the time of the inquiry from  Grassley.

After learning about the tactics used in Fast and Furious and getting some conflicting information from media reports and congressional inquires, Holder said that he had directed the Justice Department Inspector General to conduct a formal inquiry.

The Inspector General’s review is expected to be released sometime early next year.

Despite calls from some members of Congress for his resignation, Holder said Thursday that he had no intention of resigning over the Fast and Furious controversy.

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As Sargent Shultz of Hogan’s Hero’s” use to say, “I know nothing”. Tell AJ Holder that a convenient ignorance is no excuse!

Posted by: Common _ Sense | December 8, 2011, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

It’s not ignorance simply because of the timing of Holder’s previous statements earlier this past summer and his testimony last August, it’s clear from the beginning that he’s lying.

Posted by: newcountryman | December 8, 2011, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

Holder said the first he heard of Fast/Furious was about a week before his last August’s congressional testimony when the rest of the country has been hearing about it since last spring.

Posted by: newcountryman | December 8, 2011, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

It is time to bring criminal charges, then Congress can get all the emails they are hiding. Boy, I bet the shredding machines and delete buttons are going 24/7. Know one seems to know anything about anything. What are they doing up there besides suing Boeing, raiding Gibson Guitar and doling out taxpayer money to big donors?

Posted by: Freedom | December 8, 2011, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

Yeah, like the kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

Posted by: Rick McDaniel | December 8, 2011, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

As I’ve said from the start of this so called investigation, Issa and his pals will not be able to prove the AG authorized the letting guns walk across the border part of the operation. This entire exercise is a huge waste of tax payer’s money. They should have tasked the Inspector General to investigate this matter and acted on the results. Instead we get this political theater that will result in nothing.

Posted by: focusonjobs1 | December 8, 2011, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

I call someone who does not tell the truth a LIAR. Holder has been caught being a LIAR numerous times.

Posted by: deanbob | December 8, 2011, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

Eric Holder committed perjury in his previous testimony to congress. He should be in jail.

Posted by: Marie | December 8, 2011, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Calling the AG a Liar or saying he was caught lying doesn’t make it so. The bottom line is if they could prove he lied they would be pushing for perjury charges. They are wasting our money with political theater in order to score political points.

Posted by: focusonjobs1 | December 8, 2011, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

I find it unbelieveable that the U.S. Attorney General knew nothing about F&F only after the rest of us were talking about it right here months prior.

Posted by: newcountryman | December 8, 2011, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

FIRE THE GUY!!

– THE GOVERNEMENT PUSHES US INTO THE GROUND – LET’S SEE PUSH BACK TO THEIR OWN !

NOT A PROMOTION AND NEW PENTHOUSE

Posted by: American - Legal surprsie | December 8, 2011, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

Guilty until proven innocent! It’s the American way!

Posted by: Dennis | December 8, 2011, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

Issa is going to hang Holder with his own rope. Lol.

Posted by: ceeLeelee | December 8, 2011, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

Why wasn’t Holder under oath today? The committee needed unanimous consent but Democrats would not agree? What are they doing protecting Holder….. honor amongst thieves I guess?

Posted by: Michelle Shu Jas | December 8, 2011, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

POSTED BY: MICHELLE SHU JAS | DECEMBER 8, 2011, 10:06 PM 10:06 PM

Apparently you’re guessing or you wouldn’t be using all those question marks to insinuate.

Posted by: James | December 8, 2011, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

james wrote:”Apparently you’re guessing or you wouldn’t be using all those question marks to insinuate.”
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No guessing, just hoping that one of the little perfumed press poodles at ABC News might get a clue and ask the question. Why was Lannie Breuer sending drafts of this “inaccurate” letter intende for Congress to his private Gmail account, but claimed ignorance about what was actually in it during testimony? Why was Gary Grindler meeting privately with oBama during the height of the F&F activity…. what were they like George Kaiser’s visit, planning some charitable event? This stinks beyond belief and that is without getting into the story of the DEA laundering drug money. Meanwhile ABC News will ask the tough questions of oBama like what flavor shaved ice he plans to order once he arrives in Hawaii for vacation.

Posted by: Michelle Shu Jas | December 8, 2011, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

POSTED BY: MICHELLE SHU JAS | DECEMBER 8, 2011, 10:47 PM 10:47 PM

Those questions are being clearly addressed in the coverage of the Congressional Hearings being held right now. So your ‘conspiracy’ about ABC is absurd. In fact, the issue of the Breuer emails was just covered in a previous Political Punch. Your insinuations are just that, and your attack on ABC is . .. deluded. What gives Michelle? Why can’t you get simple facts straight?

Posted by: john | December 9, 2011, 1:45 am 1:45 am

Issa has lied, too. He said he didn’t know about Fast and Furious, though he was briefed on the operation before it started.

Posted by: blip | December 9, 2011, 4:46 am 4:46 am

john wrote:”Those questions are being clearly addressed in the coverage of the Congressional Hearings being held right now. So your ‘conspiracy’ about ABC is absurd. In fact, the issue of the Breuer emails was just covered in a previous Political Punch. ”
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So you got answers in the hearing as to why Breuer was sending draft copies to his private Gmail account? I must have missed that. How about you share with all the readers here. Palin’s use of private email accounts was absolute proof in the left-wings eyes of something nefarious going on. What was Breuer then forwarding these on to Jarrett or even oBama on his Blackberry?
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And you got answers as to why no emails from Holder were in the response to the subpoena? We already know the boy can’t read because he said he never read the Arizona immigration legislation before determining that it was unconstitutional. Plus he never read any of the Fast and Furious memo’s directed to him. Now, no emails? I think we may have stumbled upon the fact that the current Attorney General can’t read or write.

Posted by: Michelle Shu Jas | December 9, 2011, 8:54 am 8:54 am

POSTED BY: MARIE | DECEMBER 8, 2011, 7:36 PM 7:36 PM, sorry but he refused to testify under oath. Wonder why? Or how far up the chain it goes.

Posted by: Lizzie | December 9, 2011, 9:47 am 9:47 am

POSTED BY: FOCUSONJOBS1 | DECEMBER 8, 2011, 7:37 PM 7:37 PM with that he have to go through the AG’s office, do you honestly believe Holder would files charges against himself? JOHN and JAMES: you also forgot to mention that Holder himself said I WILL NOT TURN OVER ALL DOCUMENTS YOU ASK FOR? I wonder why? How far up the chain does this go. With the mexican government estimating that with those guns 150000 have been killed with an estimate of 300000, i guess thats just collateral damage.

Posted by: Lizzie | December 9, 2011, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Now we have Holder trying to split hairs between the definition of lying and misleading. He must have brushed up on videotapes of Clinton’s grand jury testimony before attending the Fast and Furious hearings.

Posted by: Michelle Shu Jas | December 9, 2011, 10:56 am 10:56 am

Roger Clemens wants a redo on his Congressional testimony. He would like the same considerations and slack given to him as has been given to Holder.

Posted by: Michelle Shu Jas | December 9, 2011, 11:03 am 11:03 am

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