Gay Veteran Steals the Show at Romney Endorsement Event

“I went and fought for my country and I think my spouse should be entitled to the same [benefits as they would] if I were married to a woman,” he said. “What the hell is the difference?”

The difference is, the Christian Taliban in this country thinks your spouse isn’t entitled to equality under the law. They’re fine with you laying your life on the line for the country. But that’s about ALL they would allow you to do, if they had their way…………

Fix the guy’s town: It’s Epsom.

(CLAP!) (CLAP) (CLAP!) (CLAP!) (CLAP!!!!) [standing ovation!!!]

Well done Mr. Garon!!! Well done indeed!!!! Thank you for your service!

“No, actually I think at the time the Constitution was written it was pretty clear marriage was between a man and a woman,” Romney said.

Marriage ain’t in the Constitution, Mitt. But, when it was written, black slaves were counted as 3/5ths of a human being. Things change, Mitt. TIMES change. The Founding Fathers weren’t gods, nor were they perfect…………

Hey securityhero. No one is telling you how to live your life. Let this man be. He has done nothing to you. Are you free of sin?…drop the stone before you show the rest of us what a person of sin really is.

The fact that this man is a veteran has nothing to do with anything.
Posted by: mojo | December 12, 2011, 11:13 am.

Actually, it kinda does, since this veteran wants benefits for his same-sex spouse through his government pay and benefit system……

It’s never been a question as to which party is for the RIGHTS of ALL our citizens!!! I have NO idea why ANYONE votes Republican!!!

I don’t think the government should recognize a RELIGIOUS sacrament. Create a fair tax system for all. Get the government out of the business of promoting the well being of TRADITIONAL (ones that can bare children) families.

“I went and fought for my country and I think my spouse should be entitled to the same [benefits as they would] if I were married to a woman,” he said. “What the hell is the difference?”

The difference is, the Christian Taliban in this country thinks your spouse isn’t entitled to equality under the law. They’re fine with you laying your life on the line for the country. But that’s about ALL they would allow you to do, if they had their way…………

Posted by: Searambler
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The difference Searambler is the anatomy of the human body. The anatomy itself says homosexuality is not normal.

And when the Constitution was written, the phrase “all men are created equal” applied only to property-owning WHITE MALES.

One of the amazing things about our Constitution, and why it is called a “living document”, is that it is written so as to be both very clear and specific AND to be flexible enough to be re-interpreted as we change.

“All men” gradually came to mean all White men (property-owning or not), then all MEN (of whatever race), then all HUMANS (females as well as males).

Marriage is NOT mentioned in the Constitution, and had it been, you can bet it would have been considered a PRIVATE affair, esp. as it was/is primarily a RELIGIOUS institution. And Congress is forbidden from making laws respecting religion or prohibiting the free practice thereof.

Further, every right NOT specifically mentioned in the document is expressly retained by THE PEOPLE or THE STATES. Those who would alter the Consitution or pass laws on a federal level to RESTRICT marriage to one man and one woman are violating the Constitution as written.

The document is written so as to make it far more difficult if not impossible to TAKE RIGHTS AWAY as opposed to granting/expanding them.

MOJO: “The fact that this man is a veteran has nothing to do with anything”

Yes, it does, since not granting him and his life-partner the same rights to marry as heterosexual couples enjoy, his partner is denied benefits they would otherwise be entitled to.

Frank, the “difference” is that the other things you mention cause harm to others, whereas homosexuality does not. Denying equal rights to people who are minding their own business is not FREEDOM.

More of the same overt bias: “gay veteran steals the show…’ In my mind, Mr. Romney’s response was head and shoulders above the sick individual seeking “benefits” for his perversion.

The difference Searambler is the anatomy of the human body. The anatomy itself says homosexuality is not normal.
Posted by: spike | December 12, 2011, 11:46 am.

So what? Blue eyes aren’t “normal”. Neither is red hair. Do you favor discriminating against blue-eyed redheads? Why do YOU care about their anatomy, or what they do in the privacy of their own home? Homosexuality may not be “normal”, yet for some reason a small percentage of the population is always gay. And has been since the dawn of mankind. Why do you think that is? Why hasn’t evolution bred homosexuality out of existence? Or, if you don’t believe in evolution, why does god allow it to continue to exist? And FYI, many straight couples engage in all the exact same sexual things that gays do. Again, in the privacy of their own home……

HEy mojo======sucking other mens di-ks isnt just a sin, it filthy
Posted by: securityhero | December 12, 2011, 11:50 am.

Says the voice of personal experience, I’m sure……

Gays can’t catch a break can they? First they get bullied as children and shunned by some of their peers. If they survive to reach adulthood, they are treated as lesser people by not being allowed to get married or even at least getting things like veteran’s benefits for their spouses. Is it so hard to at the very least acknowledge civil unions so that they and their spouses can get the benefits for having fought a war for this country? For all of you religious folks who are so adamantly against homosexuality and gay marriage, you sure are also good at dissing your fellow man very well. “Love thy neighbor” or something like that?

The difference Searambler is the anatomy of the human body. The anatomy itself says homosexuality is not normal. Posted by: spike …. What does anatomy have to do with marriage?

“If you want to be gay, so be it. Go ahead, it’s your choice. But stop trying to force your beliefs on the rest of society.”

Uhm… who is trying to force their beliefs? All gay people are asking for are the same rights you enjoy as a citizen of this society. You don’t like gays? Fine! Don’t have a gay person in your house or socialize with them. Don’t even acknowledge them when they are in your presence. Its your choice. However, those are not reasons to deny them the same rights and benefits that you have.

Romney is entitled to his opinion and I completely agree with him. Homosexuality is an immoral act and 50 years ago, if you were homosexual and someone found out, not only did your family dis-own you, but society ostersized you. It is a sin against GOD!!! It doesn’t matter if marriage is mentioned in the Constitution or not. Our founding fathers were Christians and believed in the Bible; and they believed that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. As do I!!!!!

POSTED BY: SEARAMBLER | DECEMBER 12, 2011, 10:49 AM 10:49 AM why push the issue constantly on those who believe marriage should be between a man and a women, which still is the majority in this country, why are you not satisfied with a civil union which will give the same rights.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
1. Leviticus 18:22
“Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
Leviticus 18:21-23 (in Context) Leviticus 18 (Whole Chapter)
2. Leviticus 20:13
“If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
Leviticus 20:12-14 (in Context) Leviticus 20 (Whole Chapter)
3. 1 Corinthians 6:9
Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter)
4. Timothy 1:10
The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching
1 Timothy 1:9-11 (in Context) 1 Timothy 1 (Whole Chapter)

You could also say, looking at human anatomy, that hair dye, nose jobs, and braces aren’t normal. Does that make them wrong? Moreover, the only thing our anatomy says about homosexuality is that it won’t lead to reproduction. Elderly men and women are allowed to marry each other, even though they are well past their childbearing years. Infertile men and women are allowed to marry each other, even though their marriage won’t produce any children. Are you saying that heterosexual couples who practice family planning are abnormal, or that family planning should be outlawed? I guess, as a straight woman, that I just don’t see why it should bother you if a small fraction of our population of consenting adults want to marry other consenting adults of the same gender.

anontdh | December 12, 2011, 12:30 pm post ————– Your bible also tells you to kill adulterers, and anyone who curses against his or her parents. How many adulterers have YOU killed? Oh yeah, and don’t eat shellfish. Or pork. You’ll burn in hell if you do……..

The whole religious ‘sanctity of marriage’ argument is a joke, considering that HALF of all Christian heterosexual marriages end in DIVORCE………

At the time the Constitution was established, women had no rights, African-Americans had no rights, so I guess Mitt want’s to go back to that.

Republicans are controlled by the right wing christian groups, and conservative Corporations. Romney is a nothing. A nobody, who has a lot of money, and no conscience…Like most Republicans.
I have gay friends, male and female. They and their partners live as any couple would live, and look at life as anyone would.
Marriage isn’t between male and female. marriage by definition is the joing of opposites, or of two differents, or two of the same.
Go to any cafe, and ask what it is called when they pour a bottle of half empty Ketchup, into another half empty ketchup…the are marrying the bottles.
America is backwards when it comes to race, same sex couples, and equal rights for all.
Please lord, open the eyes of people, and show them love if it is true knows no bounds.

This is a republican primary what party are the two men in.Which seems was left out by your staff our was this another left wing trick.

The constitution can be changed with dozen of emendment when necessary to follow society’s evolution and maturity or to curb it. Religion must stay OUT of all issues regarding civil, state and federal laws. The church DON’T CONTRIBUTE financially or with workforce with the development of any country, this is NOT the Vatican! A honest citizen, who pays their dues and serves his/her country, must have the same rights as anyone. Gays and straights must behave in public and their private life is nobody’s business. This is not a matter of point of view, this is a matter of good sense and JUSTICE!

FranklinBasil ————– Marriage is a legal union, conferring specific legal benefits to married people that single people cannot get. Thus it IS a Constitutional issue, because of Article 4 Section 1, the Full Faith and Credit clause. If a legal contract exists in one state, then the other states MUST recognize it AS a legal contract, and honor that contract. Yet some states are enacting laws that say they DON’T have to recognize a gay marriage from another state. The Declaration of Independence says that we are all created equal, endowed by our creator “with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.” I guess some people don’t think that applies to gay people. The equal protection clause of the Constitution, the 14th Amendment, provides that “no state shall…deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”. Yet that is EXACTLY what the anti-gay-marriage crowd is doing. Denying legal benefits (protection of the laws) to a small segment of the population for no valid reason.

At the time the Constitution was written, women were chattel and blacks were slaves. Seems we moved past those injustices quite well. I think we could rightly move past this one too.

The fact that gays and lesbians are allowed to serve openly in the military doesn’t mean that the Federal Government/Constitution recognize homosexuality as legal. Furthermore, the Constitution DOES place the responsibility for legislating marriage under the powers of the states, so the Federal Government doesn’t have anything to do with what goes on with New Hampshire’s gay marriage law. Finally, marriage is NOT a legal institution created by any man-made government. It was created by God as between a man and a woman. Not two men! Not two women! Not a man and two women, or a woman and two men! From my perspective, when gays and lesbians try to claim marriage, they’re violating the rights of legitimate Christian marriages. It’s a violation of freedom of religion when you try to usurp the gift that God gave all of his children! Gays and lesbians are no worse or better than anybody, including Christians! We are ALL equally guilty of sin! I just wish that gays and lesbians would get off of their self-righteous streak and accept that they have made a choice to live their lifestyle. It’s NOT genetic, and it’s certainly NOT supported by God. You don’t have to believe in HIm or his teachings and commands, but it’s your future! I’ll pray for you.

Will This same man pose the same question to Barack Obama? He, too, has clearly voiced his opposition to gay marriage and stated clearly that marriage is between a man and a woman. It seems to me they always try to set up the conservative candidates while the president gets a free ride.

Lizzie | December 12, 2011, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm … Personally, I believe the government should only recognize civil unions and everyone who wants benefits for their spouse should have a civil union. If you want a marriage, which is really a religious institution, then let the church decide if they want to marry you. It wasn’t too long ago that marriage between the races was considered unnatural and we seem to have worked that out and the world as we know it didn’t fall apart. If you think God is against homosexuals getting married, then let God deal with it. I haven’t been notified any of you are God’s proxy on Earth.

Good response from Romney. Now will some tinkerbell please ask Obama the same question in front of a camera…

Mr Romney has his opinion as does the veteran…. Actually I don’t believe the military should change their stance on this major issue. It is hard enough to have open gays in the military and time will tell if Mr. Obama did the right thing.. Makes the hair on my neck stand up…

One sure way to nullify a principle of civil order is to dilute or change it to something impractical.
To want Marriage for the sole purpose of benefiting from government or social benefits is an affront to the very principle of Marriage.
The generic demand for the government and social benefits that are intended to encourage traditional families (Defined through Marriage) will result in the end of such benefits since the benefits become unsustainable.
In reality, the demand for ‘Marriage’ has little or nothing to do with ‘Marriage’; but rather a secular equivalency for benefits.
If the activist would stop hijacking the word ‘Marriage’ that is sacred to the liberties of demographics of Faith then there would not be such an uproar about it. But still, the push for the benefits could mean the loss of some elements that encourage families to stay together. After that, ‘Marriage’ will have no significance in ‘Governance’ or ‘Civil Order’ since such distinctions would become of no worth to the general population.

The fact that gays and lesbians are allowed to serve openly in the military doesn’t mean that the Federal Government/Constitution recognize homosexuality as legal. …Finally, marriage is NOT a legal institution created by any man-made government. It was created by God as between a man and a woman. Posted by: Truth | December 12, 2011, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

LOL! Another self-proclaimed Christian advocating bigotry and discrimination in the name of their religion. Do you think that homosexuality is illegal? Because that’s what your first sentence says. And FYI, marriage was around long before Christianity. For dozens of centuries, it was a business arrangement, purely and solely. “You wanna marry my daughter? Give me ten goats”. Early societies recognized the need for some system of property transferal and yes, wealth redistribution, as well as hereditary rights. Marriage helped accomplish this. The individuals involved were not consulted, they were TOLD who they were going to marry, usually by their father. A virgin daughter commanded more goats than a non-virgin, thus the concept of revering virginity as a desirable trait in young women was born. Do a little research before calling yourself “Truth”……

@Ginny: Are you freaking kidding me??? Just because someone is a homosexual does NOT make them a pedophile. In fact, the vast majority of child molesters are straight, married men. I have many homosexual friends and I can honestly say that not ONE of them is attracted to children. You know why? BECAUSE PEDOPHILIA AND HOMOSEXUALITY ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!! Moron.

So Romney goes back to exactly what was meant in 1776 regarding marriage but of course almost every other thing in the Constitution has been extrapolated forward to fit current society. SMUG HYPOCRITE.

Why was Mitt Romney and Kerry Healy at the Boston Gay Pride Breakfast about six years ago cheering and waving and wishing everyone a great day ? Better yet, I have a question. Why do married couples get a substantial tax benefit ? I could be a straight single man or woman but get penalized because I’m not married ? That is discrimination ! So if these people won’t allows gays to be married how can a gay person ever be treated equally under the IRS Tax Code ? Talk about unconstitutional !

Websters New World Dictionary: queer {kwir} adj. 1. differing from what is usual or ordinary; odd; singular; Strange 2. Slightly ill; qualmish or giddy 3. [Colloq.] doubtful; suspicious 4. [Colloq] Having mental quirks; eccentric 5. [Slang] counterfiet; not genuine 6. [slang] Homosexual—vt. [Slang] 1. to spoil the smooth operation or success of 2. to put {oneself} into an unfavorable position n. [slang] 1. Counterfeit money 2. a strange or eccentric person 3. A Homosexual—SYN. see STRANGE be queer for [something] [slang] to have a strong liking for; be obsessed with—-queerish adj.—queer’ly adv. —queerness n.
WHAT PART OF WRONG DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?

That always recalls the age of Sodom when the gays talk about the homosexuality and challenge the people who do not have sex confusion in public. With the technology advancing, People belive that they are smarter than the God whom their ancestors followed. “Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.” America is a great country. How come now there are more and more dirt dump on her?!

Ah, so much for the hymn that goes: “You can tell that we are Christian by our love…”

The hate and judgment spewed by those who claim Jesus at their lord are sad testament to hypocrisy.

If any of your holes are being used for something other than it’s intended purpose then it is wrong.

It always amazes me when people state that “liberals are ruining America.” Liberals were the ones who fought for the end of slavery, for women’s right to vote, civil rights and other “agendas” conservatives vehemently opposed. Conservatives wish we could turn back the hands of time and live in a nation similar to the time of our Founding Fathers. Me? I’m satisfied with the present and look forward to a future without religion and people lookng to mythological books for their morality. I’m proud to be a liberal!

Does anyone realize that RELIGION is one of the biggest reasons for hatred, wars, intolerance and illogical thinking? IF we could practice our religion and LEAVE others alone regarding OUR beliefs, the world would be SO much better. Perhaps God saw fit to let Newt have a sister that is a lesbian and for Dick Cheney to have a daughter that is a lesbian and maybe he’ll just do the same to MORE of you bigots that are so intolerant of gays. Perhaps THEN you’ll learn that they are JUST as human as anyone else. As for Mitt Romney, he ran in a very blue state for Governor and HAD to LIE in order to fool the people he needed to get votes from. Now, he’s trying to backpeddle on EVERY utterance he’s ever made because he HAS taken both sides of all the issues he’s ever talked about. I’d LOVE to see Ron Paul form a third party and totally RUIN ANY chance for a Republican to win in 2012. I’d prefer to see SANITY rather than bigotry and intolerance which is one of the main PLANKS of the Republican Party!

For the life of me I cannot understand the Republican conservative obsession with what I do in my own home!! While I am straight, I have family members and friends who are gay. They are among the kindest, funniest, most fun-loving people I know. The ones who are NOT that way – are the Republican members of my family.

I like and support Mitt Romney, but I DO NOT agree on his stance against gay marriage. Regardless of an individual’s religious or other belief, gays and lesbians DO DESERVE the same rights to have a full life partnership with another individual. We pay taxes, we vote and we are responsible citizens in every way. WE DESERVE THE RIGHT TO THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, and to many of us, this means comittment to another person: MARRIAGE. !!!

Being gay IS the “natural way of life” for THEM. Claiming they have a problem exposes your ignorance. So I say it again: you are ignorant.
POSTED BY: SEARAMBLER | DECEMBER 12, 2011, 1:37 PM+++And for pedophiles being a pedophile is a “natural way of life” for them.
Posted by: roger | December 12, 2011, 1:41 pm.

But children cannot legally CONSENT to sexual relations with an adult. Look, if you want to defend pedophiles, that’s your business. Comparing them to homosexuals is no more valid than comparing them to heterosexuals.

You can vote Republican and vote for a candidate who doesn’t believe the government has any business defining marriage, that that is a private matter. Ron Paul is FOR your civil liberties!

If you would like to bring anatomy into this, On Average:
1. The right hemisphere of the brain is slightly smaller in homosexual males than in heterosexual males. It is also larger in homosexual females than in heterosexual females.
2. In homosexual males, the left amygdala has more widespread connections than in heterosexual males, who have more widespread connections in the right amygdala. Homosexual females are similar to heterosexual males in this regard.
3.Homosexual men have smaller bone sizes of the arms, legs, and hands than heterosexual men.
4. There are a few genes that occur more commonly in homosexual men than heterosexual men.
5. The anterior commissure is larger in homosexual men than in heterosexual men.
6.The suprachiasmatic nucleus is larger in homosexual men than in heterosexual men.

These things are for the most part, determined before the person is born, and can be influenced by the prenatal environment. There is also NO EVIDENCE, Johnny, that experiences after birth cause homosexuality. This is just an imaginative correlation, correlation means there may be a relationship but does not mean one causes the other. Its funny how actual facts based on research can prove most of you wrong. Maybe that’s why most people with a college education are liberal.

As far as the constitution, the Thomas Jefferson said in a letter:
“I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”

Science has shown us that this is not a choice, and is actually quite natural. We MUST put religion aside in this matter because religion has NO PLACE in government. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it crosses the line when opinion turns into action which suppresses and denies people rights.

EASY MONEY, I just did, thank you. It’s “namely” of course. Now go back to stuffing envelopes at your local tea-party coffee klatch, won’t you? Or, stock up on your survivalist supplies. I hear the current version of Turkey Tetrazzini is to die for.

I love when the old document is trotted out as though it’s never been amended to address contemporary issues. And how wonderfully hypocritical that the issue lands in Mitt’s lap. The Constitution also pre-dates his entirely fabricated religion. How’s that constitutionality for you?

POSTED BY: ROBERT | DECEMBER 12, 2011, 2:26 PM====You can go back to dry humping your christmas turkey

Good for you Mitt. The silent majority applauds you standing up for our beliefs. Perhaps the issue of ‘marriage’ needs to be taken out of the equation and another legal proceeding can be implemented for same sex partners. I’m not entirely supportive of that idea, but it makes much more sense than ‘marriage’.

Arthur: I’m all for prostitution becoming a constitutional right… but, first let’s work on legalizing gay marriage.

I too am an American vet and I say so this vet is the female of the two and sits by his/her husband, right? So which one is the b itch. He is too damn ugly
Posted by: musicman7175 | December 12, 2011, 2:24 pm.

What a great argument. Seriously, who can argue against THIS type of thinking? Musicman 7175 clearly spent a lot of time crafting this amazing statement, pondering it, getting the nuance just right. He must be so proud…

Garon is not entitled to get the laws changed because he served in the military. Sorry, but that’s the way it is. Posted by: DV | December 12, 2011, 2:31 pm.

Ummm, same-sex marriage is LEGAL in New Hampshire. However, the REPUBLICAN controlled legislature wants to CHANGE THE LAW. Should they be allowed to do so? Or is ‘that the way it is’? If your argument is that the law is the law, then you must be against the Republicans who want to change it. Right?

Good for Mitt Romney. Shame on ABC news to say it was an uncomfortable moment. From what I read Mitt stuck to his beliefs.

The authors of the Constitution didnt realize that this world was going to become so depraved and fallen as to include what the Bible calls sexual sin.

It’s quite simple…….EVERYONE should have equal rights.

The Bible too, predates Romney’s religion as well the Constitution. At the same time the Constitution gives deference and acknowledgement to God, both as is indicated in the Ratification Article and the Declaration of Independence.
Garon’s insistence on his “rights” is faulty. We are yet a Republic, governed by democratic principles. But, as the people become more and more corrupted, so too shall the government and the very nation itself.
I am not saying that Garon shall not see his demands met. I am saying that I agree we are facing perilous times and corruption is being manifested throughout our society in numerous forms, homosexuality and it’s claims being only incidental.
We are facing destruction as a society on many different fronts.

This is why Mittens will never be president ..Makiing ANTI AMERICAN statements like this ! Perry tried the same Bull and look what happened ..Bachmann tried the same thing ..and brought the spotlight to her HUSBEAR ! Look what happened to all their campains …92% of America is against these religious cult members !

To want Marriage for the sole purpose of benefiting from government or social benefits is an affront to the very principle of Marriage. Posted by: Wylie-Mike | December 12, 2011, 1:27 pm.

Who wants that?

WOW! what a bunch of uneducated people. “Marriage” was not created by god. It has always been a business institution used to protect families, property, kingdoms and alliances. I government should be completely out of the business of marriage. It should be SPOUSE 1 AND SPOUSE 2…PERIOD on all legal documents. Let “marriages” be done by the chosen personal institution, but the “marriage” should bear no legal weight. Only the government can sanction a union of 2 adults. that way religion can control their fantasy and the government can control the reality of multiple citizens with multiple beliefs…equally….without prejudice.

Wait to go Romney! A majority of the country believes like you do. The veteran said it was getting too hot. That’s so dumb. He answered your question. You just didn’t like his answer.

Thank you SEARAMBLER for ably answering to the intolerant bigots posting here. Marriage Equality is a fundamental human right and IS guaranteed by our Constitution under the many clauses you’ve named. It is the height of religious hypocrisy to claim Bible-based “reasoning” against fellow human beings, quite possibly your own family, friends, co-workers and acquaintances. The Prop. 8 issue in California was expected to pass by all the polls, until the unconscionable, hate-filed campaign by that CULT of Mormonism poured tens of millions of out-of-state dollars into swaying the gullible with horrid, unfair propaganda and misleading erroneous arguments. Watch the film “8: The Mormon Proposition” if you have ANY doubts about the morality of their religion or their leaders!

I’m betting Obama would answer with ah, ahhhh, aooooo,,,ahhhh.

“I never hear people pose this same question to Barack Obama? He, too, has clearly voiced his opposition to gay marriage and stated clearly that marriage is between a man and a woman.”=====You will never hear Obama asked that question in such a setting. He gets a pass from the lame stream media and their hypocritical liberal followers.

Gay marriage can never be because it never has been nor will it ever be a marriage.

No wonder Newt leads by 35%. Obama you better start to care.

I have noticed the choice argument being made and I’d like to respond to that. Also I see people citing 1% as to the ratio of how many people are gay. 10% is more like it. I am gay and I assure you I had no “choice”. The choice argument sickens my stomach. If you say i chose to be gay, then at some point everyone must choose their sexuality. So, when did you choose to not be gay and be straight? If you are saying homosexuality is a choice, then by logic, it must be a choice for everyone. So I can then ascertain that everyone is attracted to both sexes and at some point we must make a conscious choice for which side of the road we choose to walk on. You have no idea what it is like to grow up being gay, to know you are different and to also know, instinctively, you cannot tell anyone else about your true feelings. God made me, just as he made you, so quit telling me about “choices” I have made, you have no idea what you are talking about. Why do you say God made the world and everything in it but oh he didn’t make you. God made me as he did you. I do not want “special rights” I want the same rights every American has.

Rommey is right!!!!

Wait, I like sticking things in a place that Is used for relieving waste from my body but YOU”RE going to tell me there’s something wrong with me? I’m attracted to a man that thinks he’s a woman but YOU’RE going to tell me there’s something wrong with me? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Ther only thing wrong with it is not the fact that you’re considered a couple. It’s the fact that you’re trying to dimimish the meaning between marriage of a man and a woman. Did you know that domestic violence is 25 percent higher between gay men and women? There’s much more anger involved. You have a hard enough time dealing with what you are so you have to bring it out in the open an try to justify what you do and work make it acceptable. Well, it doesn’t. You’re still twisted. You never celebrated diversity…..You never reached out to someone of the opporsite sex. You’re probably basing your first few dates on how uncomfortable and nervous you were. Well, guess what…..We all went through that awkward stage. You haven’t….But now you’re the awkward one. You’re the one with the inability to have a relationship with someone of the opposite sex. We ALL have best friends of the same sex…..So should we just give up on ourselves and marry them because you did?

Asked and answered. Now as to the comments about him serving his country, which I applaud, if we went back to the days when openly practicing homosexuals weren’t allowed to serve, we wouldn’t have this problem, would we? Romney is right about this one.

So if I can’t get married like a hetrosexual, I can’t serve ipenly in the military (according to republicans) as a hetrosexual and my partner and I can’t enjoy the same benefits as a hetrosexual, then maybe all of us homosexuals should stop paying taxes. I am tired of supporting those who do not support me.

It is true that God made you but he did not make you to become gay. It is a choice when you rebel against God’s will and design for who you are. God made man and woman at the creation and not man and man as you think. God’s creation was perfect and but like Adam and Eve, we continue to destroy God’s perfect creative work. Please stop using God/s name for something he hates.

If you can’t have a child…..All you’re doing is playing house. You’re not going to be able to raise that adopted child in anything that resembles a balanced upbringing. All you’re concerned about is yourself and not the child. But, hey…..I’ve got it. Let’s ban abortion and give the unwanted child to the married gays to raise. Then everyone will be happy.

The only reason married people are given some benefits and tax breaks is because the best environment to raise children is in a househld where they have one mother and one father and the government is trying to foster such environments and trying to give as many children as possible the best chance for a sucessful life. Romney and other politicians should be able to back up their beliefs with logical explanations like this.
Also, notice the jerk (veteran or not) should know enough to take his hat off in a resturant! He’s obviously a democratic plant!

All the economic benefits that married folks get can be conveyed by civil unions. So why is the gay community so bent on marriage? I’ll tell you. They’re dealing with their own consciences and their relationship with God. They think if society approves the marriage, God would never dare judge their lifestyle. It was the same thing with “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” Gays who joined the military when the policy was in effect were well aware of the policy. And they could serve without trouble as long as they didn’t flaunt their sex lives. In fact, heterosexual servicemen don’t OPENLY parade their sex lives. But gays want to OPENLY parade their sexuality, because again, it is a matter of getting society’s approval. Not only that, but this is how gays recruit to the lifestyle.

That’s right folks, I said they recruit. I should know because they tried to recruit me! No one is born gay. Have you ever seen a baby or infant with ANY sexual interests, let alone someone of the same gender? Not unless pushed or brainwashed by an adult. Autopsies of gay adult brains don’t prove anything either. No, gays CHOOSE the lifestyle as adolescents and young adults. They know all the major religions teach it is an abomination to God, but like most sinners, they seek approval rather than repentance and forgiveness.

Why is a gay marriage license so bad? It hurts children! It will enable more gays to adopt. What’s the most important duty of a parent? To introduce children to God so they don’t go through life worrying about what happens when they die. By virtue of the fact that the Bible, Torah, Koran, and all major religions teach the lifestyle is an abomination, gays will raise their children as atheists. And recruit them into a lifestyle that is generally unhappy, and unfulfilled. Do we want to do this to the children?

You think repealing “Don’t ask don’t tell” isn’t so bad? Obama only asked military officers and marrieds about the impact. They won’t have to share barracks rooms and tents with gays. I served my country for four years. Singles had to live with 2 or three roommates. What would a single troop (who can’t get a town pass) do if he came back to his or her barracks room, looking for some sack time, and found his roommates practicing oral sex or sodomy on each other? How many people want to see that? What recourse does he have? There are no spare rooms. He can’t complain to his commander, because a right to be “openly” gay is now enshrined in military law. The whole thing is even more disturbing in battle. Would you want to depend on a couple guys who just minutes ago were making out, to protect your flank? Are they going to be security risks if their partner is captured by the enemy and that enemy wants information? When an attack comes, are they going to fight, or concentrate on shielding their significant other?

We need a president like Romney who is not afraid to show his stand clearly to the public. Doesn’t like many politicians today who like to word game in order to lure some votes, Romney does not hide his views on sharp issues, this is a must for anyone who would be qualitied for being the leader of our country.

Here’s a thought to all the pretentious holier than thou mental infants – its none of your damn business who anyone marries or why. If God doesn’t like it, he’ll take care of it. Go back to your couch and shut the hell up!

its none of your damn business who anyone marries or why. If God doesn’t like it, he’ll take care of it. Go back to your couch and shut the hell up!

POSTED BY: WILLIAM | DECEMBER 12, 2011, 6:26 PM ===If it involves my tax dollars it is my business so sit and spin. But I’m betting you would enjoy that.

Some of the comments posted on here are really disgusting!! I am amazed to hear of such hateful bigots! How does two men or two women getting married affect you?! It doesn’t so stop trying to force everyone to believe what you believe, if you don’t like it you don’t have to agree with it but stop forcing people to follow your beliefs by making it against the law for them to marry!
And those of you posting some of the horrible comments on here, you are the new KKK…BIGOTS…that’s all you are. And it’s disgusting to think many of you probably have kids and are teaching them the same hate your posting on here!

I want someone to ask Obama the very same thing and see what response he gives. His position is the same as that of Mitt Romney! It’s not as if there are any presidential candidates, Republican or Democrat, save perhaps Gary Johnson, that are FOR GAY MARRIAGE! ABC News is trying to make a big deal out of nothing, in an atttempt to paint Romney as some sort of bigot or something!

I have read hundreds of these comments , now I want to comment on my own. I think we need to see how fired up we can get the married couples to give up their rights of being married, the wife needs her own benefits and the husband his own benefits. How many of you would be in an uproar as soon as the gov’t removes your rights and benefits.NO more joint filing,insurance policys, death benefits.etc> LORD help us all if that was to happen. Listen up govt , you could save alot of money here.

I spoke to soon. I retract my previous post regarding confrontation.

“No, actually I think at the time the Constitution was written it was pretty clear marriage was between a man and a woman,”….. The constitution was also written during a time when slavery was legal.

I think it’s interesting that so many people are using the Bible as a way to back up their beliefs. Now, it may just seem odd to me, since I’m Wiccan, but wasn’t the Bible written by people (mostly men)? The fact that a book so old, with so many existing revisions, is used to uphold something like who people are allowed to love and cherish is wrong to me…
Not to make this purely into a matter of religion, but it simply doesn’t make sense. We are Americans, our country is supposed to be one of religious freedom. To try to make America into a Christian nation, and force your Christian beliefs on everyone flies in the face of the freedoms so many have died to protect. I am not in the military, but I fully support the troops who fight for my freedom to choose to be Wiccan! Are we to assume that because their are ultra-religious people in America that traditions like hetero-only marriage should stay the same, because it makes them more comfortable? Or is it that only Christian homosexuals cannot marry? I am a straight woman, but if someone tried to tell me I couldn’t love someone because of a religious book I don’t follow, how is that winning their argument.
“Oh, the Bible says you can’t do that!”
“That’s okay. I don’t believe in the Bible.” :)

Another Liberal attempt to try and make Americans believe that Homosexuality is a viable and acceptable lifestyle choice. I, for one, miss the good old days when they had the decency and sense of shame to stay in the closet.

“i think that it was pretty clear at the time the constitution was written that marriage was between a man and a woman”…what an inane and archaic point of view…of course it was…but it wasn’t because there were not homosexuals…nor was it because they didn’t want to be married…it was because 200 years ago no one dreamed that it would be o.k. to be gay and not have to hide.

*Epsom
Good for him! Why shouldn’t gay marriage be legal? No one is attempting to force the churches into practicing these unions-but if the government is going to allow two consenting adults who are straight to marry, why not two consenting adults who are gay?
Don’t want a gay marriage? Don’t get one. Seriously. Grow up and realize that your religious beliefs shouldn’t dictate law. No one is going to force any of you self-righteous homophobes to marry someone of your own gender, so stop acting like it has any effect on you. You are not the center of the universe, and Christianity is not the basis of our laws. Get over it, and remember that whole “love thy neighbor” mandate from the bible-stop the illogical, immoral hatred of people who are different from you! Who are YOU to dictate what other people can or cannot do? (And before the bashing starts, I am straight, happily married, and a mom.)

I find the gay agenda to be perverse at best. If you want to be gay, fine, but do it in the privacy of your own homes. Why the need to flaunt your lifestyle and shove it in the faces of non-homosexuals? Do you really think you’re going to gain acceptance that way? You’re only hardening the hearts and minds of those you offend against you. Being gay isn’t a right or a privilege.

When this country was founded, the founding fathers were very much against religion, thats why they left to come here, and they say our country was founded on religion, I wish people would quit distorting history, that’s why we have freedom of religion.

America! Read 2nd Chronicle 7:14, turn from your wicked ways, or God will not hear your cry and prayers. Noah a just man was the only one who did not drown in the flood plus his son, duaghter inllaws and hsi wife. Jesus never turned away any man,or woman, every one had the opportunity to be forgiven for sins. But he never , made excuse or mislead anyone thinking it was righ to sin. This election is all about Character: 1. Character of ethical and moral standards 2. Deception and misleading to believe it s okay to live the life style of homesxuality. Mr. Romney display a good caharacter, he was honest with the veteran. I pray a man of God or a believer in Jesus Christ teach that gentleman the truth. You will not and can not get in heaven with this sin in your life. I fought for my country and served 21 years. I married a woman. God set up the marriage insitute with a man and a woman. Stop lying to your self, man and man , woman and woman. 1 Corinth 6:9. Get in a Church that teaches, Jesus Christ. John 14:6 the way, the truth, the life.
God have MERCY ON AMERICA

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@Andy,

To the contrary Andy, religion was lauded as a very necessary ingredient of the warp and woof of this nation. You err.
Homosexuals do not require resistance by the “religious right”, “zealots”, “KKK”, or the Westboro Baptist Church crowd of whom many folks find reprehensible also. Homosexuals intuitively know their conduct is impeachable and say so liberally among themselves. If you do not believe that, read your own literature which is to be found in almost all public places in every major city in the land. Were you not to believe it, the appeal to “curious” would not be made to young persons in our schools so that they might be led or enticed in a way not good.
You do recruit.
As for the damage done of yourselves to yourselves (the human spirit can only stand so much abuse) and your storied histories of such abuse among yourselves, the results are indeed disparaging. It is a violence of unimaginable consequences, and the foolish and unwitting fall easily into the trap of sexual sin. We are only beginning to reap the consequences of unfettered licentiousness.
Fornication makes no distinction as to sex, and the slavish behavior of many cannot be dismissed casually by making accusation against any other.
Once the conscience is seared, little hope remains to recover oneself.
Depravity really knows no limits.
“When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increases…”
What you are asking for is freedom from religion.

It is futile to even try to reason with those who post their ignorance in comment areas like these. Don’t give them the attention they don’t deserve. Ignore their posts and make your own comment about the article or tell your own story.

As soon as I saw the first hateful messages, I scrolled down here to comment. I won’t be back to view this thread, but I will read the article again, and I will send a letter to thank this man for serving our great country and for standing up for his rights, and those of his partner.

God created marriage between a man and a woman. Homosexuality is a direct rebellion against God.

I’m really curious to hear some of you self righteous bigots to recall , “the day YOU CHOSE to be hetro”.
I have never given it a thought, but, found naturally attracted to the opposite gender from a very young age.
CAN any one of you actually recall having a moment where you were UNDECIDED? Then made a deliberate choice as to whom you’d be attracted?
Science, as described above many posts back, shows us PHYSICAL differences between the straight and gay bodies studied.
When exactly will you stop hysterically shoving your religion on us and actually listen to reason, science, the fact we have secular laws NOT BIBLICAL laws and learn to mind YOUR business and not allow your imagination or nose into the bedrooms of ANY other Americans. And let me remind you the people you seek to deny or REMOVE rights from ARE AMERICANS.
Ask yourself why you think YOU have that right, and why you feel it necessary when you wife or husband will still be the same regardless of the outcome, UNLESS they run off with a same gender lover…….IS THAT the problem/fear here?

Just so we’re clear, there’s a lot of rhetoric about marriage being a God-sanctioned, religious sacrament. No argument from me. If the Pentecostal, or Catholic, or Baptist, etc., churches all say marriage is only between a man and woman, then more power to them. So maybe then only churches should grant ‘marriages.’ However, when it comes to a state-(or federal) sanctioned institution, then perhaps any two consenting adults who love each other and want to spend their lives together (and yes receive benefits and tax breaks that come along with ‘legal’ not ‘holy’ matrimony) then civil unions are the answer. This would mean everyone, gay or straight, would need to have a civil union. It seems a lot of people get caught up on the word ‘marriage.’ It’s not about fighting to force a church to accept gay unions, it’s about receiving the same rights that legally married people get in this country. If you don’t want to call it marriage, then don’t, but stop denying everyone the same rights because your religion tells you to. I’m getting ready to go to Afghanistan in 3 weeks. If I die there, my partner (whom I’ve been with for 6 years, before I joined the army, so not just a fling out to get benefits) will not be entitled to my death gratuity. He will not be allowed to see any of the health and behavioral providers the army gives grieving families. He will not even be the first to be notified. He’ll have to find out from my parents. It’s not about demanding the church to accept my relationship…I don’t care. I just want the country to give my relationship the same reverance that I give my country. If you’re going to argue and slander this statement, please use legible English and coherent thoughts based on facts. Thanks.

“For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.” (Leviticus 20:9)
“If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people.” (Leviticus 20:18)
“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.” (Leviticus 25:44-45)
“Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.” (Leviticus 19:27)
“…and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.” (Leviticus 11:7)
“…do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material.” (Leviticus 19:19)
“But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.” (Leviticus 11:10)
“They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination.” (Leviticus 11:11)
“Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you.” (Leviticus 11:12)
Quoting the bible about homosexuals being an abomination is about as ridiculous as the verses above. Hey, marinesniper, I hope you don’t shave!

God created marriage between a man and a woman. Homosexuality is a direct rebellion against God. Posted by: Ken | December 13, 2011, 1:15 am.

God did not create marriage. Marriage predates your religion by millenia. It was purely a business transaction for many, many centuries. Until quite recently.

So is your god ignorant, uncaring, or weak? Because if it REALLY doesn’t want homosexuality to be around, why doesn’t it simply abolish it? Wipe it off the face of the earth, like it supposedly did with Gommorah and Sodom? You claim it is all powerful and all knowing. So it either KNOWS about homosexuality and chooses to allow it to continue to be a part of human sexuality. Or it KNOWS about homosexuality but is powerless to do anything about it. Or it DOESN’T know about homosexuality, and that’s why it hasn’t eradicated it. So which is it? Is your god ignorant or impotent, or does your god simply not give a damn one way or the other?

If any of your holes are being used for something other than it’s intended purpose then it is wrong.

POSTED BY: AMY | DECEMBER 12, 2011, 1:43 PM 1:43 PM

Hey AMY, I bet you give great blowjobs.

I don’t like icecream and I don’t like people who like ice cream. They are fat, lazy, and always have fudge on their faces. I think we hard-working, honest, non-icecream eating christians should not have to be subjected to those who would ingest such filth. Therefore, icecream should be illegal. think of the children.

Very proud of this man for being so bold and asking this question and show how stupid Romney’s position is. Thank you for serving our country! It is absolutely necessary that you and your spouse receive the same benefits that any veteran gets. Completely disappointing to know that it’s 2011 and there are still people out there with these discriminatory beliefs.

It is my sincere hope that stupidity will be bred out of humanity long before homosexuality, which is completely harmless. Stupidity, or ignorance, on the other hand is really hurting our progress as a species right now.

Education? Yes, please. War? Hate? No, thanks.

This comments section has quite a few interesting twists and turns, pro and con: Homosexual marriage. I am a lesibian. About half of my homosexual friends were sexually abused as children. The other half had “normal childhoods”, yet as many homosexuals do, reccognized they were homosexual from an early age. Whenever I’ve asked a room full of straight women, if they were sexually abuse as children, about half raise their hands. When it gets down to the issue of who they were abused by, in every case, they were abused by a man; often by their brothers, fathers, uncles, cousins, friends of their family and rarely by strangers. I’m just wondering why the straight women didn’t all turn out homsexual and why those non-abused homosexual women aren’t straight.

As far as marriage goes, I don’t see convincing evidence it iwould be any different and/or better than homosexual couples might have. Every week we hear of stories of husbands killing their wives. These men usually have a long police history of being an violent. Some of these guys even kill their entire family. Straight couples diviorce about 50% of the time in the USA. Second and third marriges fair far worse statistics. Straight couples sometimes swap with other couples, they can do everything sexually imaginable together, lie, cheat and steal, humiliate their partners and leave then financially bankrupt. But, as long as they claim to be church going Christians, they are going to heaven?

Homosexuals can live exceptional lives by being good employees/employers, pay their taxes, follow the law of the land, be good all around human beings. Yet, according to the Bible waving “Christians”, homosexuals are going to hell. Just wondering why Jesus never mentioned one word about homosexuallty? I mean, if it is the horrible abomination modern Christians claim it to be…? Just saying.

How many religions are there in the world today? Each one proclaims their God to be the one and only true religion and everyone else is going to hell, if they don’t follow their way to heaven. As for me, I honestly can’t imagine going to heaven and spending all of my eternity with a bunch of hypocritical religious fanatics. Now that would surely be hell for me.

Homosexuals should have equal rights to a civil union, that has all the equal benefits of legal marriage. Anything more or less is inequidable and unconstitutional. Our Constitution was intended as a secular document, for a secular government. All the benefits granted to each American citizen, is based on secular law. I am a secular American citizen, and therefore, should be allowed to enter into a secualr legal marriage contract, one in which no religion is involved and provides equal benefits, as any other married couple in this country. Just my opinion.

Let the hateful comments begin!

Meddoc states “There are hundreds of documented cases of animals partaking in homosexuality, even having life-long homosexual partners. So this makes it natural, unless animals choose to do this, and that means then that they have free will….which goes against the Bible…uh oh!”
Why are you justifying your actions because of the actions of animals. Are you saying that you stalk and kill animals normally smaller than you to kill and eat them raw, sometimes kill other humans so you can be the dominant one in your group, cannot tell the difference between right and wrong, and cannot love? I think you brain is capable of more than that so why are you limiting yourself.
There are all sort of sexual perversions that occur in humans. I believe that they come from childhood experiences. People with theses perversions think that what they feel is “normal’ and if they didn’t they would have to want help to get cured. So I don’t expect you to understand that homosexuality is wrong but there is something that happened in your past that causes you to be gay. And there is two choices either to accept it as ‘normal’ or reject it as a problem. Obviously, the first is easier especially when you can be around people of like minds. But sorry society shouldn’t accept this lifestyle similar to not accepting polygamy, zoophilia, or pedophilia. Were they born that way so they can’t change either.
And by the way I am not religious one bit so strike that ‘uh oh’ from the records.

Yes, and in some case, ABC censors the posts.

:yawn: Same ignorance, different day.

lets keep the discussion/arguments going. got to get to the bottom of this.

Actually, this isn’t an equal rights issue. It is technically a definition issue. All people have the right to marry, but they can only marry according to the current definition of marriage. No one is being denied the right to marry. What they are being prohibited from doing is marrying according to a definition of the word that is not currently acceptable under the law. For those who advocate gay marriage on the basis of equal rights, you are muddling the waters. If a man and a man want to get married, and they should be allowed to do so from an equal rights position, than any person should be given the same equal rights to marry any other consenting individual or group of individuals (polygamy). If we extend marriage to gays and lesbians on the basis of equal rights, but then still deny marriage to another subset of people, we will have another similar fight down the road. Know what it is you are really arguing for. It is not equal rights, it is a limited expansion of the definition of marriage.