Ron Paul: Iran Does Not Threaten Our National Security

Mitt Romney was OK with North Korea having nuclear weapons, but not Iran….go figure?

Here are a couple questions I wish I could ask Paul. Assume Iran manages to develop three nuclear weapons within the next three years. Assume the Iranians sincerely believe they could secretly give two of them away to terrorist groups. Do you believe that Iran would give one to Hezbollah or some other terrorist group to use against Israel. And do you believe Iran would give one to another terrorist group to use against us to for example sneak one into a port on a ship to explode in said port? The answer to those two questions would clearly show exactly how much he thinks Iran is or is not a threat to us.

He also has this sick idea to respect The Bill of Rights!
Giving the power back to the people!
What an undemocratic thought!

Ron, May God Bless you. You are most honest candidates among all the nincompoops in the political arena.

All I can say is our gov’t has given al-Qaeda weapons and if that’s a so called terrorist group than why shouldn’t countries make the same claim about the USA. If you don’t believe me go look it up and see that the al qaeda flag is what it hanging in Libya. UK Daily Mail shows it “Flying Proudly over the birthplace of Libya’s revolution, the flag of al-qaeda.” It does lead me to question many things I’m told by myso called government, but I have no evidence of anything, I’m just very suspicious.

It might help you understand what’s really going on and how the war on terror is being used against Americans… Read section 1031 of the NDAA, look at what the TSA is doing at airports. There’s stories every week just about. We’re less safe with the TSA than we are without them. While it’s possible for Iran to someday become a threat, they have not invaded a country in over 300 years therefore I’m not overly concerned about Iran. In fact, out gov’t empowered them via the war in Iraq.

So it doesn’t make sense to me to threaten the American people with $5 or more gasoline because these so called political leads (whom are all bought up by Wall St. or some other special interest, besides Ron and Rand Paul and maybe a handful of others) when the history of Iran shows no threat to the USA. What’s their concern? The USA invading them and trust me, the war has already begun. If it hasn’t, we wouldn’t have been there and they never would have gotten our drone.

America will destruct from within if this stuff continues….. It’s only a matter of time and I’m afraid we might already be witnessing the slow destruction of our nation. It’s very sad for me to think there may be no future for our children and grandchildren given all the other stuff with the chemicals and GMO, etc. in our environment.

Wake up folks, we are 15 trillion in the hole, and we just gifted the Iraqi’s a new country for themselves – it cost us well north of a trillion dollars. Afghanastan, Libya….all costly.

And now we want to nation build Iran too? Where will it stop?

You think Iran is a threat to national security, lets talk about the most pressing threat to national security – bankruptcy of the United States.

You won’t have many options when the Chinese cut the money off. We can’t borrow another trillion from the Chinese to launch the next war.

China is going to the moon again – we are broke. China is surging ahead with infrastructure – we are broke. China is building factory on factory – we are shutting ours down.

The next trillion dollar war – is going to break the camel’s back.

If you care about security, you’ll pass on fighting this war.

“You don’t need to send American troops to
Israel, we defend ourselves.”
- Benjamin Netanyahu (Prime Minister of Israel)

I like how everyone brings up Israel, but never listens to her. They don’t need or want the USA interfering in her affairs. Google it. And while you are at it, question why Obama has pledged 30 billion dollars to Israel over the next decade.

Ron Paul 2012

Alex – poor boy – Iran fought Iraq and is fighting us in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Check you history – Persia/Iran has a history of war.
Further they have clearly stated their intentions.
The whole Paul mob is nuts.

Why is the press blasting Ron Paul for making sense? You have to think the average say 45- year old person in both America and Iran, are probably thinking the same thing “Wait, why is that other Country mad at us?” Maybe, the Iranian’s are more aware, but last I checked they had the youngest population per a capita in the World. That’s youngsters listening to our music, wanting I-Phones, internet, and watching Hollywood movies and MTV.

These people don’t hate us. I am 34 years old myself, and I literally could care less if Iran has Nukes or not, just make sure they’re damn well not pointed at us. But that missel defense system is supposed to fix that any way. Right? People are tired of War. Their are children in this Country have never known an America at peace. Do you realize that? That’s freaking sad and pathetic!

Let’s pack up our toys, bring the troops home, and lick our own wounds here! We’re still strong, but not as strong as we should be, can be, and ought to be, economically, moral of the Country, jobs, and I don’t know if we’re going to have to fire the whole lot of both Houses of the Legislature or what…. But they better start damned well getting along, quit the political showmanship and theatrics, use some common sense, reach across the isle, use a good idea when it pops up (No matter who’s idea it was), act like a United American Country, give the population some good Government, good jobs, and let’s get the show on the road.

Look, what they do to Ron Paul, the ONLY Republican to make any sense, not be some radical far right cook you wouldn’t trust with a BB gun, let alone their finger on the Red Button that controls the United States Nuclear Arson and Military. Let’s nation build at home, let’s get ourselves Energy Independent using solar power and re-building our infrastructure. Let’s think 1950′s economics, minus the Macarthism Communist witch hunts, which is the Patriot Act and this crazy “War on Terrorism.” Same story, different decade. Same s**t, different toilet. Both are un-American and violate the Constitution the bed rock of this Nation and her beliefs.

So, Ron Paul is sane. Apparently that’s a crime in the new Republican Party, who keeps trying to Court the Tea Partiers. All 4,000 of them. Let it and them go. Meet in the middle. I’m telling you, you’ll hit America’s attitude and moral every time. Jobs, bring home the troops, let’s stop worrying so much about other Countries and start worrying more about our own. Just for a while. See here’s the thing, if we DON”T start worrying about our Country more, some one else will. We’ll wake up some day, and wonder how the hell did that happen? It will be because we did the thing all powerful Countries do right before they fail, they start worrying too much about what’s going on outside our own boarders and Country, meanwhile the next new up and coming power is paying our Country the attention we should have been doing, in order to figure out how to beat us.

Don’t blame me. Read history. It happens over and over and over. Let’s be different. Let’s be American. Let’s be justice, and right. That means only fighting when you have to, even if you can whip the smaller guy ten ways from Sunday. Handling your business, minding your own business at home, before some one or some other Country minds it for you. So, let’s go!

Wow. This Independent is beginning to really like Ron Paul. And shame on Perry for capitulating to Israel. Maybe Ron Paul is just the kind of candidate Washington needs to shake things up….after all, most of us cannot stand the job Congress is doing now. Why not throw a wrench into the screwed up works that is our government?

The amount of antiwar thinking americans in this country vastly outnumber prowar thinking americans.

Quit calling paul and his supporters nuts. Youre sitting in a corner by yourself rocking back and forth and calling the rest of the room “nuts”. You look ridiculous.

Iran isn’t a threat. Paul’s right.
He has my vote.

LOL! …. I beginning to think that Ron Paul took his foreign policy classes from ol’ Jane Fonda.

Oh sure, lets invade Iran to find their WMD. We have tried that before folks. Does anyone know how many BS wars the US has been in? Here are a couple of examples. Does anyone else remember more?

As a kid, I grew up in the early 60s during the Vietnam war. All of the establishment and talking heads told us we had to fight in Vietnam to “contain communism” and stop the “domino effect” of even more countries going communist. People used to say (until the late 1980s), that once a country goes communist, they never go back, so that is why it must be contained. We now know that that was all BS, because all communist countries eventually go back to other forms of government. Many more people (on both sides) could have died in Vietnam if we did not walk away. All those people died for no reason.

In 2001, all of the establishment and talking heads told us we had to invade Iraq to stop their Weapons of Mass Destruction. We now know that that was all BS because we could not find any WMD in the country.

Now the establishment and talking heads want to invade Iran to get their WMD???? Really?

The presstitutes are hard at work twisting Ron Paul’s words.

Let me see if I understand this correctly.
Muslim majority Pakistan has nuclear weapons. You know the place they found Bin Laden.
Muslim majority India has nuclear weapons.
Israel which is close to Iran has nuclear weapons
and we here in the USA should worry about Iran POSSIBLY developing nuclear weapons?

Uh, a little common sense folks. I would be a lot more concerned about all the countries that already have the atomic bomb before I wasted our resources on trying to stop Iran from developing one in the future. They don’t even the missile technology to deliver a long range missile even if they had a nuke. Unless of course, our State department continued to sell everyone over there weapons like we have been doing for a long time. The Problem is our interference and our willingness to sell our older military technology to these countries. Ron Paul is right, stay the hell off the Arabian Peninsula. If Congress ever declared war on Iran, Dr. Paul would win it and end it in 10 days, without using any troops, not 10 years and Iran would be a memory.

Maybe Israel should pay us for launching any military action. In the past we’ve had to pay for any war making in the middle east (which benefits them) AND given them bookoo foreign aid as well!

ron paul is pathetic ,when is he going to feel threatened ?
after its to late,once they(iran) get the bomb when it is to late to do
any thing about it, hope they wont use it or give it to
one of their proxies to do their dirty work.
what in the world is he thinking about,where is his red line?
only when a gun is pointed at his head?
the whole idea of preemption is not letting iran get to a nuclear weapon.
iran has threatened to close the straights of hormuz in the past and present
that is with out a nuclear devise,now how about them having a couple
what then?its not rons problem of course why would it be.its only the life line of the worlds
energy.and if any body thinks that ron has the where a bouts to fix the 15T problem
they got to be kidding themselves.

Ok Look. I spent years over there in the military. We have so many patriot missles over there, Iran could not launch a Nuke past their own border. They are not a threat, they do not have a nuke as we all now know. It is not worth 6000 more us soldiers lives and trillions of dollars to give a damn about Iran. This is about control of a oil pipeline that feeds europe. Always has been. It runs thru Lybia, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, are you seeing this a little more clearly? Google it . The pipeline is no secret Paul is correct. And Israel DOES NOT WANT OUR HELP. The prime minister told Obama that. It is on you tube

Ahmadinejad and the ayatollahs almost lost control (and maybe their heads) in 2009/2010 by their younger subjects. Give it a few years and the internal demographics will take care of Iran. Gotta love the bluster of the religious Taliban wing of the Republicans beating the war drums. Even the shrub didn’t take on Iran after declaring them as half the axis of evil. It would help if these idiots could remember past the last sound bite let alone the past 2 years. They might actually see a pattern and come up with a coherent low risk/high yield strategy. One of them is supposedly s history professor for christsake. Present leadership and contenders are thinking in terms of how their stock portfolio is going to improve after the vote next week and it’s why china is kicking our butt. Ron Paul least thinks in terms of decades and how events relate and that is what US needs to succeed.

Ron Paul is right.
Iraq and Vietnam should be lesson enough that when America tries to make foreign policy through war nothing good will come of it.
If we bomb Iran, shouldn’t we also bomb Pakistan and North Korea. They HAVE nuclear weapons and DON’T LIKE US.
What we should have done was let Sadaam Hussein keep the pressure in Iran to defend its borders rather than to spend time developing nuclear weapons. But when we hung Sadaam that freed the Iranian government to start developing weapons instead of defending it’s borders.
Too bad.

Libertarianism is the antithesis of Authoritarianism. Ron Paul’s message now is heard and is needed, because the bulwark of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, protecting us from tyranny, are now undermined, via the Patriot Act and the NDAA. Until the individual liberties are removed, citizens can safely sleep through any form of social planning/engineering. However, once threatened, the only answer to the problem of being detained by your own government without recourse to legal due process is Libertarianism.

People instinctively know this, and this is why no smear campaign will work, and all news about Ron Paul will only awaken more people. This is why you cannot defeat Liberty.

Only in your dreams do politically awake people go back to sleep when the economy has been destroyed.

Iran does not threaten America. Why are you being so easily mislead? The biggest threat is telling you to ‘look over there!” Geez, wake up.

ERIC: “We have so many patriot missles over there, Iran could not launch a Nuke past their own border.” – - – ROFLMAO. Ever hear of cars, trucks, planes, boats, subs and ships? Iran can get small nukes out without launching them on a missle. And terrorists groups that Iran might give a bomb to can get small nukes out through the same alternative methods. How can anyone seriously believe that Iran would not hesitate to give a small bomb to a terrorist group if the Iranian leaders believe they can keep it enough of a secret to get away with doing it.

“The reality is that our military presence on foreign soil is as offensive to the people that live there as armed Chinese troops would be if they were stationed in Texas. Shutting down military bases and ceasing to deal with to deal with other nations with threats of violence is not isolationism. It is the opposite. Opening ourselves up to friendship, honest trade and diplomacy is the foreign policy of peace and prosperity.” – Ron Paul

The USA needs an enemy. If one can’t be found we’ll make one.Just like when we gave the Soviets atomic bomb materials and technology through the lend lease program. Read: Major Jordans Diaries. Then later we gave them the ability to MIRV their missiles ( put multiple war heads on one missile ) by selling them the machines that produced the precission ball bearings they needed.All so we could have a top notch enemy. I think the push for war with Iran is part of a plan to bring on WW3. The PTB will make the USA the bully of the world and bankrupt us doing it. Our military wad being shot ,China and Russia will be enticed to attack us. Pressure is building on China now with US troops put in Australia and the US debt they hold being made worthless. The PTB will use WW3 to push for world government through the UN.Most of the sacrificial lambs for WW3 will be American. Ron Paul is the only hope!

SO what if Iran gets a bomb. If they use it, of course that would be tragic, but let’s look at this rationally. IF they drop a bomb on someone, the WHOLE world would respond to wipe them off the face of the earth. They will NOT drop a bomb on anyone. And WHY do we think protecting Isreal is in OUR OWN interest? I dont give a crap about that country. THEY HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING TO HELP US OR ME> They, in fact, TAKE more money for US than anyone else in the world. Let them fight their own fights. THey already conntrol our congress.
There are other “Dangerous” fanatical (some Religious) countries out there with A-bombs,(Pakistan, North Korea, adn Isreal), and we are still alive and well. I m sure we could live with

Here’s something that’s not speculative – people who make up words like ‘demo-fart’ or ‘republi-minions’ aren’t nearly as influential with words as they believe themselves to be.

I could care less if a republican wins office – what I care about is not running up the next trillion dollar tab to nation build another middle east country – and frankly Obama is just as likely to do that as a Romney would be…and who wants to engage that conversation?

Frankly it might involve a thought process beyond that of tit-for-tat playground name calling.

In order to size up any candidate, all you need to do is see who their major contributors are. RP is of the people, the rest are of Wall St.

What do you do when some one isn’t corrupt and can’t be influenced, call him mad, racist, radical and so on. Dr RP is winning the heart and mind of his fellow American with ideas and true leadership and the rich elite are very worried so they call the attack dogs, he hates black people, and Jews, i am black and I love this guy for being true to his word, no matter how the Jews owned media tells us he hates blacks we will never believe liars and cowards.

Don’t use our colour as political football, we know him, we believe him, and we support him.

Iran having bombs, who cares, the people who are worried are the cowards who bang the drums of war but hide when called upon to fight.

Liars.

Iran may have 1 nuke in a year…how many do we have?? WE’RE THE THREAT!! It’s like having a bazooka strapped to your back while pointing at the guy down the street and calling him a threat because you think he may have a pistol in his house. Jeez people! THINK!!!

All Ron Paul needs to feel at home is some face paint, a tent and a big red nose! What a clown! He has a less than a zero chance of beating Obama!

Paul things it is still 1776 and that no other country can fly. He can’t remember we have trade with other countries, treaties, bi and multilateral agreements. He is a bigoted isolationist. Anyone not bothered by a human rights violator like Iran getting a nuke is insane.

Why are you trying to prey on the ignorance of your viewers ABC?

Iran is one of the few countries in the Middle East to sign a Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which means they have agreed to not develop Nuclear weapons.

They are however as part of that Treaty allowed to develop Nuclear Energy.

The IAEA is the International Atomic ENERGY Agency. The numbers in their reports ARE GIVEN TO THEM BY IRAN, to show the progress of their Atomic ENERGY program.

Which is why all the experts say Iran is not doing such. Taking the reports for Atomic Energy and claiming it as Nuclear Weapon report is just ridiculous.

I LOVE RON PAUL AND SUPPORT HIM 1000% ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES CANT EVEN ANSWER QUESTIONS BUT INSTEAD BASH ON THE COMPETITION, ALL THE REPUBLICANS AT THE DEBATES HAVE BEEN STUDIED BY BODY LANGUAGE AND SINCERITY EXPERTS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND RON PAUL IS THE ONLY ONE THEY SAID THAT WAS AS REAL AND HONEST AS COULD BE, THE OTHERS…FULL OF IT

Go to Youtube and type in Ron Paul is America’s Last Stand For Freedom

While I cannot agree with Paul on a lot of issues, he just might have something here. First, as long as we have nuclear weapons, how can we have credibility in telling someone else they cannot have them also? Iran’s primary potential enemy is Israel. Since 1948, Israel has proven many times over that it can defend itself very well. If Iran does go to war with Israel, Israel will wipe the floor with them. Why should we be involved then? Bush tried to set up the European Missile Defense System and Obama, to a lesser extent, has continued this effort. Both conceded the intent of the system was primarily to defend Europe. If that is so, why not let Europe set up the system? Why us? We already have such a working system based in Kwajalean and CA.
We very badly need to let go of the concept that we are the world’s policeman because we no longer are. This next week, our national debt will go up to $16.5 trillion. Our preoccupation of being the world’s cop really hurts the goal of brining the debt down.

The clueless idiots that are so terrified of the big bad terrorists annoy the hell out of me! We’ve meddled in the business of so many countries for so many years…Korea…Vietnam…Iraq….Afghanistan…Libya….and now we want to invade Iran!?!? Come on people!! Who are the real terrorists….the globalist NWO banker controlled United States is the real terrorist!! Ron Paul is right!! Bring all of our troops home, restore the Constitution, return the power to the states, and mind our own damn business!! WAAAAHHH….I’m so afraid of those big bad terrorists….quit your whining and WAKE UP….how many innocent civilians and military men have been killed or disabled because of our globalist foreign policy??? Are you that stupid to think if we returned our troops to US soil, guarded our borders, and minded our own damn business that we are more vulnerable to those mean terrorists?? We have nukes all over the world!! No one is going to attack us!! If the clueless Americans that want to attack Iran and continue to operate 900 bases in over 130 countries, then you pay for it…you sacrifice your life and the life of your children and grandchildren!! RON PAUL 2012!!

BOB RAMOS: “First, as long as we have nuclear weapons, how can we have credibility in telling someone else they cannot have them also?” – - – That is easy. Because it is our official policy to never use them first against somone else. We have them as a deterrent, and the MAD policy has worked for more than 50 years. But there are some nuts out there who are delusional enough to believe they can figure out a way to get away with using a small one against Israel or us. You know, the kind of nuts who are willing to blow themselves up with 10 pounds of C4 and dozens of ball bearings strapped to their body or whle driving a car/truck with a few hundred pounds of explosives. Why would they not do the same thing with a small nuke if they could get one? And why would Iran not readily give some to those kinds of people, especially if they believe they could get away with giving two or three away? Anyone who is either unable to understand or refuses to acknowledge the possibility that Iran is willing to use an external terrorist organization as their proxy to deliver a small tactical nuke against Israel or us by any means necessary – i.e backpack, camel, donkey, horse, car, truck, bus, boat, ship, or small private plane just to name a few is a delusional idiot. There are a LOT of ways Iran could arange to have a proxy deliver nukes without them having to fire a single missle or have their finger prints on it.

I will vote for Ron Paul as he is the best candidate for President, not just because he has a certain view on a certain topic. The USA will always be the world’s strongest, most powerful and richest nation. I have faith in America.

As for those who say America is in debt, we can afford it as we are the world’s richest nation with a net worth of US$280 trillion after minusing the debt. We overspend because we care for our citizens, unlike China which kills their own citizens with tainted milk and force many of their own to go overseas to seek a better life.

China’s infrastructure is not even good nor safe. Many citizens can’t even afford to take a train nor a bus. Their factories are closing and many workers are on strike. The whole of China is collapsing economically forever. China will be a failed state.

China will never reach the moon because they are using old Soviet technology, and the Soviets never reached the moon, and China will never reach the moon because they fake everything, from their news to their technology. China will be a failed state.

I’m proud to call myself an American. The USA will always be number one. Love America lots.

Ron Paul appears to not know who might attack us who might not! Like Obama he would turn on
the Jewish people in a heart beat. What is really sad is we have no body worth a hoot running for President! Mitt,Perry,Newt all really want to disarm all honest people. Almost everyone Running for president has way to much money to know anything about the problems of the working people and shouldn’t be elected dog catcher!

Mr. Paul is certifiable. An ignorant and dangerous man.

I’m concerned about Paul. He may bring back some honor and credibility back to America then who will grease our greasy elected officials? ~ who will allow Wall Street to fleece us with their lies and super computers? ~ who will drum up false and unnecessary wars?

“It would have been better to loose 500,000 invading Japan (an invasion that would have never been required anyway) than to have built and used nuclear weapons.”

Wow! guess you caught up on lost sleep in your history classes, if you attended at all. Estimates from credible sources predicted 1 million US casualties. The invasion would have been required. Pity you did not have to crawl ashore on Iwo Jima or spent a few months on Okinawa to appreciate this fact. Easy to say 500.000 deaths are ok if you’re backside is not on the line. Have a cold-one Von Clausewitz and take satisfaction in the fact that your vote will unfortunately cancel the vote of someone who has a clue.

When Ron Paul fails to secure the presidential nomination from his Party – WHEN that happens, as it surely will – y’all here will have no one to blame but the Republican Party. THEY DON’T LIKE PAUL. And they will not let him be their man against Obama next year because they know he would get destroyed in a general election. Ron Paul will never be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of her Armed Forces. Period. THAT is the cynical truth.

Ron Paul is an American Veteran. Mitt Romney is a draft dodger!

A CYNIC: Jeremiah Wright isn’t running for President! And you’re right, Ron Paul is very dangerous, he want to go by the Constitution

People need to stop viewing the world through rosey colored american glasses. News flash americans, we are supporting the very thing abroad that we condemn here, that is terrorism. We are funding and giving arms to terrorists within iran. Our special forces are active there, blowing up missile sites, assassinating scientists. We just overthrew iraq, and libya and and speak openly of overthrowing iran. If they want to get nukes, why do you think that is? could it be they are afraid that maybe they will be next?

I do not support shariah law, nor theocracies. But the fact of the matter is that the only reason we are going after iran is because of the evangelical support for israel in this country. Why are we going to send off our young men and women to die for a foreign country which has never done anything for us? Just a couple weeks ago they were caught trying to sell our patriot missles to china, and that was not the first time they have sold our technology to china. Yet there has been absolutely no discussion about the fact that they are backdooring our technology to countries which are not friendly to the USA.

America used to be a bastion of freedom and peace. We never involved ourselves in fruitless wars unless absolutely necessary. This is insanity! To those that want to go to war, i hope it is not your son or daughter that pays the ultimate sacrifice for it.

It is time to take a step back and look at our progress for the past 30 or 40 years. Are we going down the road of peace and prosperity or are we turning into a fallen empire? We have 15 trillion in debt, and another 50 trillion in future promises that we will never be able to keep.

We need a change, we can keep on electing washington insiders and unethical politicians who support the status quo, who will continue to bail out wallstreet and fill cabinents with wallstreet insiders, or we can elect someone who will bring change to washington, someone who will stand for constitutional ideals.

POSTED BY: ACE | DECEMBER 31, 2011, 12:02 AM 12:02 AM, you always bring up oil, when was the last time we confiscated middle east oilfields?

POSTED BY: A CYNIC | DECEMBER 31, 2011, 10:03 AM 10:03 AM, did Obama ever serve or did he manage to get by, by not being old enough or in the illinois senate.
A CYNIC, so why does rev. Wright hate america so.
And to those who love Ron Pauls foreign policies, just go back to Pres. Carter and Pres. Clinton, they both told us we are safe and noone will EVER attack the USA, we dont need intelligense see were that has gotten us. 9/11

As it is, it seems very family on the face of the earth will its own nuke. Whenever there is a family feud, we can just start throwing them at each other. Way to go people.

What has Ron Paul done that the media is soo biased against him.
Posted by: Girish | December 31, 2011, 11:03 am.

Nothing. That is his record of accomplishment in Congress. Nothing. Ron Paul has sponsored 421 bills since Jan 7, 1997, of which 418 haven’t made it out of committee and only 1 was successfully enacted. He has sponsored 47 bills alone this year since the Republicans regained control of the House, none of which have made it out of committee. He puts in earmark requests but claims he doesn’t vote on the bills he puts them in. So he really hasn’t “done” anything in Congress besides occupy a seat in the House on the Right side of the aisle and write bills that his own Party doesn’t like. It’s obvious the Republican powers-that-be don’t want his brand of Republicanism.

Lizzie | December 31, 2011, 12:18 pm post ——– Obama did not volunteer for the military, he went to college. The draft had already ended. There were no wars going on when he turned 18. Reverend Wright doesn’t hate America. If you bothered to look into his life you would know that. He served in Vietnam both as a Marine and as a Navy corpsman. Like most people on the Right, you heard a three-word sound byte taken out of context and automatically assumed something horrible. Someone posted that Ron Paul was a veteran while Mitt Romney was a draft dodger, which is how that thread got going. I asked what relevance that had to foreign policy experience. I think it has no relevance, especially since his military career ended over 40 years ago.

The Vatican “could” have a nuclear weapon some day. So when do we start bombing there?

GANDINQUISITOR: “The vatican “could” have a nuclear weapon some day. So when do we start bombing there?” – - – ROFLMAO. That is just about the most stupidly ludicrous analogy I have ever seen. The Vatican is not a threat to us and does not publicly profess it is threat to us. Unlike Iran which very loudly and publicly proclaims it is hostile toward us, and that makes Iran a threat. Then there is Iran’s history of proactively arming and supporting the terrorists who have been fighting our troops. That also clearly demonstrates Iran is a threat to us.

I’m sorry, but this is why no one can trust Ron Paul with foreign affairs. There is plenty of evidence that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. The IAEA found advanced warhead prototypes in 2002, they found weapons grade enriched plutonium in 2005 on some machinery, several defected scientists have confirmed this, Israel has provided actual photographic and video evidence of a program. A nuclear weapon needs three parts: 1) a delivery system (missile, truck, etc), 2) a warhead/detonation device, and 3) the fissile core (plutonium/uranium). Iran already has #1, and #2… and they are furiously refining uranium as fast as they can to achieve #3.

They have been in a state of war with us since 1979, have been directly and indirectly involved in numerous terror attacks against us and the west in general since then, and they were directly attacking us in Iraq in 2007 – which, if not an act of war, sure is incredibly stupid. They even an annual “death to israel” and “death to america” day, and their President and Ayatollah are both Twelvers, who believe they have to “set the world afire” to hasten the return of the twelfth Imam. A second holocaust would only be the beginning of the nightmares they could unleash upon the world.

They have been cooperating fairly openly with every regime that hates us: NKorea, Venezuela, Syria, Cuba; and they have active ties to all the major terrorist organizations. They also have on numerous occasions discussed our destruction, even advocated the use of EMP weapons to accomplish the task (which would work, and why Romney’s ignorance is particulary dangerous, too). And almost every respectable intel service on the planet believes they are seeking nukes as well – even Germany’s had to testify in court that our 2007 NIE which exonerated Iran, was false.

The ONLY evidence that we have that Iran is not seeking nukes is Iran and Ron Paul’s wishful thinking. That’s it. And, I’m sorry, but Paul is not qualified to make such a determination. Ron Paul is an idiot, and a dangerous one at that. That Ron Paul supporters can’t see that only betrays your ignorance as well.

B-K Knightrider, did the United States arm and support SAVAK?

Give me a break, Mobredthree. Dr. Paul’s comment about battleships off the shore can’t be taken as saying that he believes that’s a more dangerous threat than nuclear weapons.