Analysis: Mitt Romney Wins Florida Debate, Newt Gingrich Looks Rattled And Uneven
ABC News’ Amy Walter and Michael Falcone report:
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — On Thursday night Mitt Romney finally looked like a candidate who wants to win this election. On the debate stage Romney was confident and focused. More important, he was aggressive and disciplined, and never allowed his chief rival, Newt Gingrich, to get the upper hand.
The difference between the Romney who showed up tonight vs. the one who was on stage in South Carolina last week was night and day.
Several of Romney’s answers were as knife-sharp as we’ve seen at any debate during the primary season, particularly his laundry list of projects, including the lunar colony that Gingrich has proposed in the first few early nominating states.
“In South Carolina, it was a new interstate highway, and dredging the port in Charleston. In New Hampshire, it was burying a power line coming in from Canada and building a new VHA hospital in New Hampshire so that people don’t have to go to Boston,” Romney said. “This idea of going state to state and promising what people want to hear, promising billions, hundreds of billions of dollars to make people happy, that’s what got us into the trouble we’re in now.”
“A big idea,” Romney concluded, is not always “a good idea.”
That’s not to say that Romney’s performance at the debate hosted by CNN, the Florida Republican Party and the Hispanic Leadership Network wasn’t without fault. When asked to own up to an ad his campaign is running on the radio that said Gingrich once called Spanish the “language of the ghetto,” Romney said it wasn’t his ad. Only problem: it is. The CNN moderator Wolf Blitzer corrected him publicly a few minutes later.
Romney also repeatedly referred to his “trustee” when asked about his investments, particularly those based offshore.
“I have a trustee that manages my investments in a blind trust. That was so that I would avoid any conflicts of interest,” Romney said.”That trustee indicated last week, when he was asked about this, he said that he wanted to diversify the investments that I had.”
But, it was Newt who fell flat tonight.
With the latest polls suggesting that Gingrich’s momentum in Florida ebbing, Newt needed a strong performance at the final debate before voters cast their ballots next Tuesday. He didn’t have one.
Gingrich’s Achilles heel is his lack of discipline and follow-through. The fired up and aggressive Newt we saw on the campaign trail this week was not on the stage tonight. In his place was a passive and hesitant candidate. Even his attempt at turning the audience against the moderator didn’t work.
“This is a nonsense question,” Gingrich told Blitzer when the moderator asked whether Romney had been transparent enough in releasing his tax returns. “‘He lives in a world of Swiss bank and Cayman Island bank accounts,’ I didn’t say that. You did,” Blitzer said confronting him with his own words. Again, Gingrich wouldn’t bite, and it fell to Romney to attack.
“Wouldn’t it be nice if people didn’t make accusations somewhere else that they weren’t willing to defend here?” the former Massachusetts governor said referring to his rival.
Rick Santorum was the only candidate to challenge Romney, going after him aggressively on his Massachusetts health care plan.
“What has happened in Massachusetts is that people are now paying the fine because health insurance is so expensive. And you have a pre-existing condition clause in yours, just like Barack Obama,” Santorum said. “So what is happening in Massachusetts, the people that Governor Romney said he wanted to go after, the people that were free-riding, free ridership has gone up five-fold in Massachusetts. Five times the rate it was before.”
Even so, any gain Santorum makes in the polls is likely to come at Gingrich’s expense.
To win Florida, Gingrich needs to build on the momentum he got from his South Carolina win. His debate performance was a momentum killer.
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Posted by: Paul Reveal | January 26, 2012, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Ron Paul totally won the debate. I’m sick of this media blackout and I hope there are enough states that don’t rig elections so he can actually make some change!
Posted by: Rob | January 26, 2012, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
You have an error in your article: “ I didn’t say that. You did,” Blitzer said confronting Romney with his own words. Again, Gingrich wouldn’t bite, and it fell to Romney to attack.”
Blitzer confronted Gingrich, not Romney. It should read “I didn’t say that. You did,” Blitzer said confronting GINGRICH with his own words. Again, Gingrich wouldn’t bite, and it fell to Romney to attack.”
Posted by: Peter Nooten | January 26, 2012, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
This is ABC, they’re only looking to attack Gingrich not discuss the candidates knowledge of the issues during the debate.
Posted by: Maxwell | January 27, 2012, 12:00 am 12:00 am
I find it infuriating that the media refuses to even acknowledge that Ron Paul is a candidate. He got more time to speak at this debate and was totally on fire! How can you ignore that? He clearly won this debate. He’s not being attacked by the other candidates because they have nothing to attack him on. He’s been right for 30 years, and now that citizens are listening, the media blacks him out. Way to be fair and balanced, MSM.
Posted by: Mandy | January 27, 2012, 12:02 am 12:02 am
I agree about the error with Blitzer confronting. . . It’s supposed to be Gingrich. Wolf confronted Gingrich, not Romney.
Posted by: Brian | January 27, 2012, 12:18 am 12:18 am
ABC would like you to think romney won tonight. They will say Newt wins the next debate and play that game over and over trying to split votes and trying to make obama look good. Ron Paul all the way. I hope they keep underestimating him and or pretending he’s not a factor
Posted by: butch | January 27, 2012, 12:37 am 12:37 am
Imagine that the media getting something wrong. Are these people even properly educated? Do they want this country to fail? My answer is they must because Ron Paul is the only hope we have. He has a true plan for fixing this problem. I think its time for us to stand up and give the media a wake up call. RON PAUL 2012!!!
Posted by: Tim Wilson | January 27, 2012, 12:48 am 12:48 am
All big thinkers and shakers are grandiose in their ideas, and many don’t mind telling you about their grandiose ideas. Ronald Reagan had a grandiose idea of calling the Soviet Union an “Evil Empire.” Now the Establishment Republicans and the Democrats didn’t like this idea, but Reagan didn’t want to live with this threat, instead, he wanted to ELIMINATE IT! And so he set out to convince as many people as possible of this grandiose idea, and was able to get elected and build up our military — even through the Democrats’ nasty campaign against this idea with their name calling and frightening people into thinking Reagan was a “war monger.” But Reagan prevailed because he could communicate to the Public his ideas well enough that they accepted them.
Newt Gingrich had grandiose ideas back before the 1994 elections. He wanted to win the House of Representatives back from the Democrats, who had held it since 1952, forty years. He convinced a great deal of Republicans and voters that his ideas were better than the Democrat’s ideas. And what happened? A spectacular, historic victory! His strategy with the content of his 1994 Contract with America propelled the Republicans to a 54-seat gain in 1994 to win control of the House of Representatives, the Republicans only capturing it two out of the previous 62 years. Even the Reagan Revolution failed to achieve that!
Then Newt led the House Republicans in 1996 to their first re-election as a majority since 1928 — an astounding almost 70 years!
And once in power, Newt Gingrich actually delivered on his promises, and maintained a solid conservative record, working closely with Conservative Activist Groups on every one of these issues. He carried out the Contract with America in full, holding a vote on every item as promised, with most of the items passing. Newt maintained a RECORD of unswerving loyalty to pro-life, pro-gun and Second Amendment, and anti-tax issues.
Under Newt’s leadership, the total federal spending relative to GDP declined from 1995 to 2000 by a whopping 12.5%. This equals about one-eighth of the size of the economy in just five short years!
As a result, those nasty $200 billion annual federal deficits that had prevailed for over 15 years were instead transformed into record-breaking surpluses by 1998. They peaked at $236 billion in 2000.
Mr. Gingrich also led enactment of a capital gains tax rate cut of almost 30% in 1997. It went from 28% down to 20%, the largest capital gains cut in U.S. history! And BECAUSE of that cut, capital gains revenues went up a whopping $84 billion higher for 1997 to 2000 than projected before Newt’s rate cut.
RINO Romney ran to the Left of Ted Kennedy, governed like Ted Kennedy, voted like Ted Kennedy and then ran for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination as a Conservative WITHOUT a record of conservatism! Go Newt! — 777denny
Posted by: 777denny | January 27, 2012, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Romney came better prepared for the debate, he was more knowledgable on the issues, i agree that it was not a Gingrich night.. For those who said Ron Paul won the debate, did you see the same debate? granted RP has appealing ideas except in foreigh policy, and he is a factor. Only not in tonight’s debate. besides he has lost in three states out of three.
Posted by: jose | January 27, 2012, 1:11 am 1:11 am
All four did well, no losers to night. Paul and Santorum were quite articulate and made points we needed to hear. Santorum did well on Romneycare while Paul’s points on trade and diplomacy and winding down wars struck a cord. The other rivals agreed not conquering and trade were useful today in foreign policy. Santorum grows daily, He won Iowa. Both he and Paull will win delegates in caucus states next.
Posted by: celador2 | January 27, 2012, 1:20 am 1:20 am
Thank you Floridians for coming out to support Ron Paul! You guys rock! Ron Paul 2012 for integrity and peace
Posted by: Realqueenofspades | January 27, 2012, 1:51 am 1:51 am
not a ron paul fan but the man was there and something, anything, should have been reported on what he did or did not do. will search other news sites for further information.
Posted by: david | January 27, 2012, 5:00 am 5:00 am
Ron Paul was amazing! I can’t believe this spin doctor is still trying to act like Ron Paul doesn’t exist! How did it get this bad? I wonder how much this hack was payed to weave this little web. Don’t worry, when Ron Paul wins, the only regulations he does pass will be against the media, forcing them to be honest.
Posted by: Casey | January 27, 2012, 5:38 am 5:38 am
Newt Gingrich looked “rattled” because the man is clearly unstable. His political and personal background shows this and it is totally unreal he has done as well as he has done. However, Romney will win that nomination. The people with power and money will never let Gingrich, an egomaniac who lacks the understanding of cooperative team-work, get to the White House if they can prevent it.
Posted by: Bob | January 27, 2012, 6:29 am 6:29 am
I don’t plan on voting for any of these jokers. With that said, Romney had his strongest performance. He looked less like a nit and more like a wit. Ron Paul consistently says exactly what he believes. I very much appreciate that but just don’t happen to agree with everything he believes in. On many issues, he’s spot on. Gingrich looked, well, he looked awful. I cannot believe that he would stand a chance in the general election. Santorum is consistent and much brighter than I had given him credit for. However, while social conservatism might belong in church and families, it has no place in government.
Posted by: Plantain_11 | January 27, 2012, 6:35 am 6:35 am
Indignation seems to be the only answer Gingrich can come up with when he doesn’t like the question. Now imagine him in the White house around his advisors when they give advice he doesn’t like. The guy doesn’t like hearing the truth, after all, he is a liar. He lied to both his wives and to congressional ethics committee members. He has a history of fabricating and lying, always trying put a spin on what is the truth. He is lying about being a lobbyist for Freddie and Fannie. He even lies when he is presented with his own words, like Blitzer did last night telling him those were his words. Just how much lying is the American voter willing to accept?
Posted by: Indymind | January 27, 2012, 6:37 am 6:37 am
President Obama won the debate!
Posted by: Jim | January 27, 2012, 6:52 am 6:52 am
It is a scary thing when the liberal news media promotes Romney. They try to tell us who won. Let us make our own mind up.
Posted by: guest | January 27, 2012, 7:05 am 7:05 am
NO ROMNEY DID NOT WIN THE DEBATE!! Yes he did get the better of Newt, but what is not being reported is that as much as Romney got the better of Newt, Santorum got the better of Romney. For that matter Santorum ripped Romney to shreds. Yes, Ron Paul did well but Santorum won that debate hands down.
Posted by: Tim | January 27, 2012, 7:12 am 7:12 am
If the candidates as well as other policians focused on the issues as much as insulting each other, this country wouldn’t be in the financial mess it’s in now. They work for us, we have a voice and we need to let them know we are tired of the bs and get this country where it’s supposed to be!!!
Posted by: Barry K | January 27, 2012, 7:14 am 7:14 am
Quote of the night, by Mitt: “I think we should recognize that having differences of opinions on issues does not justify labeling people with highly charged epithets.” Words to live by.
Newt tried to get the other three to join him in ganging up on the media. Attacking the media worked so well for him the first time, this time he was just gasping for air.
I agree that the other three candidates have sharpened their debating skills. They basically handed Newt his head.
Posted by: sameagain | January 27, 2012, 8:00 am 8:00 am
It was plainly obvious that Rep. Ron Paul won this debate and embarrassed the other candidates. He correctly identified them as nothing more than the same old-boys network and that they’d continue running Washington as it’s been done for decades and they’d continue the downward slide of the U.S.
You don’t even mention that the other candidates actually agreed with many of Rep. Paul’s ideas!
The big question is, “Why doesn’t the Media, like yourself, give Rep. Paul the credit and coverage he deserves? You could at least give him the same amount of press you give the insider candidates. One can only come to understand that Rep. Ron Paul is not wanted by the political insiders nor the media and therefore you inappropriately denegrate him, never debate his comments with facts, and do your best to relegate him as non-existent , with the hope that the American people will not hear his words. Basically, the politicians, you, and the other media outlets are afraid of Rep. Ron Paul and the Constitution.
Posted by: Joseph Santina | January 27, 2012, 8:05 am 8:05 am
Ron Paul comes across as an old quirky man whose only response to everything is that the government needs to get out. He has no plan for anything, no ideas. His answers are overly simplistic and folksy. Again, he has no ideas. He isn’t passionate about anything except the government not doing anything. If he were to become President, then he would just live in the White House and not do anything because according to him, the government shouldn’t do anything.
Posted by: Danielle | January 27, 2012, 8:13 am 8:13 am
the media lies again ,Ron Paul clearly won. If the lying media had their way they would give you obama/bush 2012 bendover for status quo. whenever the others sounded half way good(lil ron paulers). They were only parroting ron pauls platform
Posted by: kenny,colorado delegate | January 27, 2012, 8:16 am 8:16 am
I think I’d much rather vote for Gingrich, who thinks for himself, than a kneepad wearing, job killing, state sponsored health care, Massachusettes elitist like Mitt “Gordon Gekko” Romney! Romney truly says and does whatever he thinks you want to hear to get elected.
Posted by: Scotti | January 27, 2012, 8:26 am 8:26 am
No that Huntsman is out; the Republicans only have one person that can beat Obama = Ron Paul.
Posted by: Greg | January 27, 2012, 8:31 am 8:31 am
One of Romney’s biggest problems as a Republican is that he tried to get poor people health insurance………………………………………………………….
Posted by: A Cynic | January 27, 2012, 8:34 am 8:34 am
I thought Santorum brought up a lot of facts about the Massachusetts Health Care Plan….Fact Check corrects him out on those facts.
“Regarding Santorum’s criticisms of high health care costs and unreasonable waiting times in Massachusetts as a result of the health care plan enacted by Romney, the nonpartisan FactCheck.org has already found those claims shaky at best. Costs for the plan had initially increased more than expected, but have lately come in line with projections by the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation. PolitiFact has ruled false a super PAC’s ad claim that the Romney law sent health costs spiraling.
Factcheck.org also reported that 62 percent of doctors have said that waiting times have remained the same.
“Finally, approval for the law is high, standing at 67 percent, and 98 percent of state residents now have insurance, poking holes in Santorum’s claim that people would rather pay a fine rather than purchase health insurance.”
Posted by: Kay | January 27, 2012, 8:34 am 8:34 am
If, by now, it is not obvious to you that Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich are the front runners, then you are still in denial. Ron Paul and Rick Santorum are just spectators in the debates. Their time to fall off the political band wagon had long gone. Hanging on in just a nuisance and a distraction.
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | January 27, 2012, 8:36 am 8:36 am
So much for Newt’s great debating skills. President Obama would beat either one of them in a debate, he’s faced Hillary who actually had some ideas and knew how to articulate them.
Posted by: tmferretti | January 27, 2012, 8:37 am 8:37 am
___”No that Huntsman is out; the Republicans only have one person that can beat Obama = Ron Paul.”
POSTED BY: GREG | JANUARY 27, 2012, 8:31 AM 8:31 AM__________Ron who?
Posted by: NoFlyZone | January 27, 2012, 8:39 am 8:39 am
No that Huntsman is out; the Republicans only have one person that can beat Obama = Ron Paul. Posted by: Greg | January 27, 2012, 8:31 am.
And the Republican Party will NEVER choose him as their man. Never. So it looks like four more years of Obama, thanks to his re-election team of Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, and Rich Santorum.
Posted by: A Cynic | January 27, 2012, 8:42 am 8:42 am
Newt looked like LSU playing Bama, he didn’t know what hit him!
Posted by: jmiiceeys | January 27, 2012, 8:52 am 8:52 am
___”One of Romney’s biggest problems as a Republican is that he tried to get poor people health insurance…………………………………………………………”.
POSTED BY: A CYNIC | JANUARY 27, 2012, 8:34 AM 8:34 AM_______________Funny that he is not taking credit for it. Rather he is toeing the line of the GOP disparaging the president about universal healthcare. Romney is a moderate Republican who wants to be a conservative as a matter of political expediency. Everybody knows that
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | January 27, 2012, 8:56 am 8:56 am
Mitt Romney lied twice in the debate, once about his ad saying he didn’t see it when he approved it, second when he said he always voted Republican when one was on the valet but never voted for Bush in 1992. I don’t want a liar in chief in our office. Newt did good. Mitt….just do a fact check on him.
Posted by: Gamgra | January 27, 2012, 9:02 am 9:02 am
There is an article in the Boston Herald today pretty much refuting everything Santorum said about Mass. health care. Basically, for the most part, it’s working. More people are insured, and people are spending less out of pocket for health care. ER visits are down as a result, and since ER visits are the most expensive – well, let’s just say it’s working. And it is a helluva lot better than anything ever implemented by any other Republican anywhere. Willard should be proud of what he helped accomplish there. Oh well, maybe after he wins the GOP nomination, he can tout his record there in the general election. Hard core Righties hate it just like they hate everything, but Moderates and Independents see the value in what Mass. is doing regarding health care coverage.
Posted by: A Cynic | January 27, 2012, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Newt can throw stones at the establishment all he wants, but when someone like Bob Dole walks out with a pack of WWII veterans guarding his flanks and proceeds to cut you off at the kneecaps, it has got to hurt. Maybe some of his youthful supporters don’t get that, but he does.
Posted by: sameagain | January 27, 2012, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Santorum is concerned about the health insurance free riders in Massachsetts. This can be addressed by giving people a window to buy insurance, say 90 days. After that time is up, the pre-existing conditions exclusion only applies when you are changing insurance plans. In addition, those that choose to remain uninsured should have high deductibles for the first year, perhaps $5000 per person. Last, as with student loans change the bankruptcy laws so health care bills incurred while uninsured can’t be discharged in bankruptcy and will result in liens against wages or government benefits.
Posted by: Pat | January 27, 2012, 9:29 am 9:29 am
If you believe this report I have a bridge in San Francisco harbor you might like to buy. I bought it from Oakland the San Fran representatives. It really isn’t golden but looks that way.
Posted by: Herbert Yates | January 27, 2012, 9:32 am 9:32 am
@JOSEPH SANTINA You sir are very wrong about Ron Paul. Read the constitution as it tells you everything you need to know about what he thinks the government should do. As for not having a plan you do realize he has published a full 4 year budget plan and a document entitled “Plan to Restore America Now” that explains it in detail.
Posted by: Allen | January 27, 2012, 9:33 am 9:33 am
After many years of watching GMA, I am turning the channel. If they can not report on all four candidates then I can not depend on them for accurate depliction of events.
Posted by: Christina Manus | January 27, 2012, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Most of the questions were directed at Gingrich and Romney. The media seems to forget that there are still two others in the race.
Granted, Paul isn’t a slick talker like the front runners. We’ve got a slick talker in the White House now. How’s that working out?
Paul has the best ideas, the only fresh ideas and he’s not a religious fanatic. That draws a hard line between him and the other Republican candidates. He cares more about the citizens of United States than he does about citizens of foreign countries. That seperates him from all candidates of the both parties.
Let’s shut down foreign military bases and use those troops to guard OUR BORDERS instead of defending the rest of the world. Closing foreign bases and opening and expanding bases here would stimulate local economies near those bases thus the national economy. That’s Paul’s plan.
Ron Paul is the only candidate interested in rebuilding a great nation. The others still want to appear to be a great nation on a world stage. Who cares what northern Slobvolia and eastern Nowhereistan think about us? I care about facts here. Not the image presented there.
I’ll vote for Ron Paul, not who the media tells me to vote for.
Posted by: oonogil | January 27, 2012, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Allen —- Ron Paul will never be our president. His own Party will not allow it. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Posted by: A Cynic | January 27, 2012, 9:46 am 9:46 am
I’ll say that Ron Paul certainly is consistent. The problem is his isolationism and stance on legalizing drugs.
We can’t go back to the 1850s. He talks like he wants to repeal the Monroe Doctrine.
We have enough problems with drugs now, legalization is insanity.
Posted by: tmferretti | January 27, 2012, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Reporting on three men in a four person debate is not “coverage”.
I will no longer patronize ABC news and will use my influence to persuade others not to as well.
Good day to you sirs.
Posted by: J. G. Cottrell | January 27, 2012, 10:19 am 10:19 am
If the debates got down to two people say Romney & Paul; The debate would consist of Romney debating himself. The media continues to blackout Dr. Paul. The establishment is scared crooked of Ron Paul.
Posted by: nick zane | January 27, 2012, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Wow no mention of Ron Paul again!! Good job MSM!! Not all people are stupid to believe all your manipulated news.
Posted by: JayP | January 27, 2012, 10:41 am 10:41 am
@Danielle:
“If he were to become President, then he would just live in the White House and not do anything because according to him, the government shouldn’t do anything.”
Please, not all people are as stupid as you are. There’s a big difference in the word limited government and a government that does nothing.
Talk about Ron Paul’s ideas….do you even have any idea how stupid your comment is?
Posted by: ChrisJ | January 27, 2012, 11:00 am 11:00 am
THE MEADIA IS DELUSIONAL EVERY DEBATE RON PAUL GETS UNPRECIDENTED CHEERS THAT NO OTHER CANDIDATE GETS AND THIS IS IN THE AUDICE THAT THE NETWORK PICKS TO BE THERE! RON PAUL IS THE ONLY ONE THAT SPEAKS TO THE REAL ISSUE AND HOW TO FIX THEM.
Posted by: ALEX | January 27, 2012, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Ron Paul wins again!!!
Posted by: kendall | January 27, 2012, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Mitt Romney really had a great night. A successful businessman unafraid of his achievements! He was poised and powerful and ready to take on any opponent.
Santorum had a strong night as well, attacking both front runners. But Gingrich was (surpisingly) totally flat. Ron Paul was good for a laugh.
For those of you who thought Ron Paul won the debate, or think that he’ll be President, how’s the weather on your planet?
Posted by: Chris | January 27, 2012, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
RON PAUL WON CNN debate!
Posted by: Kateirna | January 27, 2012, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Chris,
Earth is fine, at least where I reside. How’s your planet?
Ron Paul did win the debate, but even if he loses the nomination, he will always be a winner. So, in the actual event that Ron loses the nomination, enjoy your delusions as either Mitt, Newt, or Barack pummel our Republic senselessly. I’ll bet in four years, when it’s worse, you will be twisted even further by the media to vote wrongly yet again. You are a great Romerican citizen.
Posted by: Tinker and the Crab | January 27, 2012, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
This article is rediculous! Not one mention of Ron Paul! This keeps happening and it sure seems like its on purpose to pretend he doesn’t exist and hope he goes away! I think people are scared of change and he is the only one proposing change…but I truly feel if we don’t listen to him we are going to be in a lot of trouble…we already are! The media should have a responsibility of giving us all the information but nobody holds them accountable…it’s wrong and I’m not the only one who feels let down by our media!
Posted by: Julie | January 27, 2012, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
It was an amazing week for Romney. He crushed Newt in 2 debates in a row.
Posted by: bolgar | January 28, 2012, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
After reading this article, I am blacking out ABC in the same manner that they have blacked out Ron Paul. Until ABC actually engages in objective journalism and stops their purposeful manipulation of the debate coverage, ABC and its affiliate companies will be blacked out from my home. I encourage others to do the same. Im tired of having my vote and my tax dollars used to bludgeon me to death.
Posted by: Slogan Jones | January 30, 2012, 9:11 am 9:11 am