Contraception Accomodation: Who Pays For This?

This is a better arrangement…. though it is sad that this is the only aspect of health care that will be covered by the government.

He should have gone with a single payer system. Instead, we just get single-payer sterilization. Shows you where our national priorities are.

We crush workers by sending their jobs overseas and destroying their wages. We crush the poor by taking away government assistance and educational opportunities. BUT…. you can get yerself sterilized like a feral cat for free.

Bummer.

But I guess anything is better than raising taxes on billionaires or cutting the defense budget.

Does the truth matter? This issue is about the violation of the first amendment – forcing the Catholic church to go against their beliefs.

Posted by: deanbob | February 10, 2012, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

Sharia law is one of the core beliefs of the Islamic religion – should they be able to proceed with sharia law regardless of American laws or forced to go against their beliefs? Polygamy is still one of the beliefs of certain fundamentalist Mormon groups in the western United States and Canada. Should they be able to follow their beliefs or forced to follow the law?

I don’t see how this violates the religious beliefs of any Catholics. They won’t be paying a dime for anybody’s birth control. I think he sat the health insurance industry down in the last few days,and told them that they owed him big for not going with the single taxpayer plan. Which,really, they did. Suck it, Catholic Church.

Hello America, February 10, 2012

It seems for this Obama Administration, that seperation of Church and State
only applies when it is convienient to State, or in this case the Federal Goverment.
we have seen this Administration infrindge on Free Enterprise.
we have seen this Administration infrindge on personal freedoms
and now we see this Administration infrindge on the Church or Non-Profit Organizations.
all in the name of Womans Rights or what ever the last Kennedy was trying to promote.
no I don’t mean Ted, or Bobby Junior, I mean Something or Other Female Kennedy Towsen
that she supposedly represents some womans organization. Much like Ted and Jack
were champions of Womans rights and respect for woman, right.
Sincerely Fezzy Bear

Why should Millionaires and Billionaires get free contraceptives? Where is the needs based element of this proposal?

oBama’s all-out assault on the religious continues. Joe Wilson was right when he said “you lie”. But then we already knew that.

Posted by: Michelle Shu Jas | February 10, 2012, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Sharia law is one of the core beliefs of the Islamic religion – should they be able to proceed with sharia law regardless of American laws or forced to go against their beliefs? Polygamy is still one of the beliefs of certain fundamentalist Mormon groups in the western United States and Canada. Should they be able to follow their beliefs or forced to follow the law?

Posted by: Jane | February 10, 2012, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Not surprised you want Obama re-elected. You’ve been unemployed and sponging off taxpayers his whole term. I’m sure you’d love to do that four more years.

The only assault on the opiate of the masses is truth. I see no further excuse for banning abortion from Catholic hospitals-if the insurance companies pick up the tab what are the bishops objecting to?At any rate this will be resolved when Mr Obama is reelected with a Democratic House and Senate. After that he will have powers that will make martial law look like anarchy-he will finally be able to push forward the change that we voted for.He will finally be able to hold Wall Street,bankers,mortgage officials and millionaires to account.The reactionaries will no longer be able to frustrate the will of the people.

There is no free lunch
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We just love it when people believe that!

Gobama; You got your pitch fork ready? Too bad you weren’t.

Educate yourself Michelle. Muslims believe sharia is God’s law. That is their religious belief. Same as (apparently) not using condoms or birth control pills is Catholic religious belief. Should Sharia be above the law?

And what about the fundamentalist Mormons who still practise polygamy as part of their religious beliefs? Should that be above the law too?

Posted by: Dane | February 10, 2012, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

Republicans call for corporate tax breaks almost every day. It’s ironic how they sit on their hands when it comes to small business and middle class tax breaks. Americans better start paying close attention to who’s on the American peoples side and who’s only on the side of multi-national corporations and the super wealthy. When GOP politicians inject the term “the American people”, they are only talking about corporate America and the wealthy. They fight against employee rights, employee benefits and anything that may help employees and mom and pop businesses. They don’t care about true small business otherwise they would have voted for the bill in 2010 that was a loan bill specifically FOR SMALL BUSINESS!! They ALL voted against it! Don’t you get it?? The GOP are in the pockets of people like the Koch brothers. Joe the plumber need not apply!!

“At least you’ll be voting for your own interests instead of the interests of big business and the truffle eaters.”

Posted by: tmferretti | February 10, 2012, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are all truffle eaters. You’re just too ideologically blind to acknowledge it.

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are all truffle eaters
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We love it when people believe that too!

CARL SAID

“Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are all truffle eaters. You’re just too ideologically blind to acknowledge it.”

Oh no, I acknowledge it, but those truffle eaters consistently stand up for the middle class, are not religious zealots and try to get things done instead of giving speeches that consist of just name calling.

You know in your gut, these republican candidates will do nothing to help average Americans. The invitation stands.

john wrote:”Educate yourself Michelle. Muslims believe sharia is God’s law. That is their religious belief. Same as (apparently) not using condoms or birth control pills is Catholic religious belief. Should Sharia be above the law?”
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When oBama dictates that the muslems must eat pork chops on Sunday, then you might have a comparison. Till then, he is assaulting Christians like a little petulant dictator wanne-be.
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“And what about the fundamentalist Mormons who still practise polygamy as part of their religious beliefs? Should that be above the law too?”
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What about it? We know you would support it since liberals oppose anything moral or traditional.

tmferretti wrote:”but those truffle eaters consistently stand up for the middle class, are not religious zealots”
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We can tell…. they are doing everything possible to bleed the more affluent of everything they have an push them down into the middle class. As far as not being religious zealots…. if big authoritarian brute-force government is a religion, they are zealots all right.

Muslims believe sharia is God’s law.

You are getting things twisted around. The Government does not step in and force a Muslim to eat pork nor does the Government step into their house and demand they take their scarfs off or for the men to stop spanking their wives. The Government does not tell a man as long as his partners are willing how many women he can keep in his stable or vive versa. The Government doesn’t recognize any of these acts but does not step in to stop them-which is the way it should be. The whole debate is how much power we are allowing the Government to have over our lives. Apparently many have decided enough is enough.

Who pays: you and me pay, that’s who (assuming you also have a job and pay taxes and are not merely collecting ffod stamps). But hear that? That’s the sound of the bureaucratic boondoggle known as Obamacare flushing down the toilet. LOL.

“So, let me get this straight – some people want to “opt out” of paying for contraception, but then they expect me (single person) to help pay for their children (i.e., by subsidizing their health care costs, federal income taxes, etc)?”

YES…. because it is young people who will take care of your infantile self in your old age.

“They fight against employee rights, employee benefits and anything that may help employees and mom and pop businesses. They don’t care about true small business otherwise they would have voted for the bill in 2010 that was a loan bill specifically FOR SMALL BUSINESS!!”

Posted by: Stephen | February 10, 2012, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

The 401k reirement plan and the Health Savings Account (HSA) were both brainchildren of Republicans. The 401k contributed greatly to my wealth. The HSA has given me tremendous freedom. Small businesses are heavily represented in the Tea Party. Small businesses don’t need more debt. They need to know what taxes and regulations are coming their way in the next 2-3 years. Obama has failed to provide that information. You would know this if you actually ran a small business. You lost all credibility when you started ranting about the Koch Brothers.

Yesterday Obama was “standing on his principles”, today he is “so generous and caring to compromise”. In the end it doesn’t matter what he says or does the extreme left will always spin and rationalize events in their own mind. Once a kool-aid drinker, always a kool-aid drinker.

Posted by: Stephen | February 10, 2012, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

First generation Asian immigrants become rich all the time. I’ve never heard one of them blame a Republican or the Koch Brothers for standing in their way. They’re too busy working.

Want to see who stopped you from getting rich? Look in the mirror.

51% approval in Rasmussen polls.
50% approval in another.
48% approval in four more.

Cleaning the floor with every Republican candidate.

Posted by: Jane | February 10, 2012, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

59% chance of winning re-election at Intrade. Mitt, 31%, Rick Santorum, less than 5%

Catholics aren’t a homogeneous voting bloc and most of them use or have used contraceptives. That’s been the case for over 40 years.

The pope says health care is an unalienable human right and we have a moral responsibility to ensure universal health care.

Posted by: truth | February 10, 2012, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Whaaaa!! What a whiner.

Posted by: Roxanne | February 10, 2012, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

Since when does the left care what the Pope says? lol

Since when does the left care what the Pope says? lol

Posted by: Carl | February 10, 2012, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

The question is why don’t Santorum’s followers? Clearly , the controversy fires up those who like him, and benefits Obama and Santorum most politically, hurting Romney’s soft support even further.

Catholics aren’t a homogeneous voting bloc, and among catholics, zealous right wingers are a slim minority. 98% of sexually active catholics have used contraception. A majority of catholics supported the Obama admin’s policy. Look up the words you don’t understand. Also, the democratic party includes liberals, moderates and some conservatives, fiscal, social or both. It is a very diverse party that doesn’t strongarm its members to sign pledges, conform to some formula or pass a purity test. The party reaches out to Americans of every religion, ethnicity, income level, background. Your ideological partisanship and rabblerousing aside, many catholics and noncatholics agree with the pope that health care is an unalienable human right and we have a moral responsibility to ensure universal health care.

Did you notice that students at catholic universities held protests and press conferences against the bishops and for access and women’s health?

“Catholics aren’t a homogeneous voting bloc, and among catholics, zealous right wingers are a slim minority. 98% of sexually active catholics have used contraception. ”

Yeah, Catholics are just like most people. The Church doctrine is correct. And, for the most part, Catholics are really good, well-meaning people. But…. you know what? In spite of church moral teaching, Catholics are still as human as the general population. Some Catholics steal, overeat, lie, sleep around, fight, kill people. Does it really surprise you that Catholics are no better than anyone else? We’re people. The church offers an opportunity to be better than that, and in general, it is able to bend the curve ever so slightly. But, you know what, no matter how much the church pushes the idea that married people shouldn’t cheat on their spouses and abandon their families….. These ideas are so compelling that just about anyone who has ever been interested in developing a good society, from atheists to protestants, Muslims to Mormons (both of which have veered from polygamy towards the Christian norm), generally cleave to the model….. the monogamous pair, generating and preserving the future generation, as the root of society. Even gay people who cannot have children biologically recognize the value in such a relationship.

But, weighing against this powerful impulse to love is the human capacity for selfishness. Catholics are still going to be subject to the same impulses that affect everyone else. Do you really think the alternative…. no social teachings on monogamy, the total acquiescence to animality, do you really think that would be better for society? Should we be like lions? A dominant male killing the offspring of his competitors so that he can impregnate whatever female he can force himself into? You can hate that the “rules” of morality are a pain in the neck…. and you can pretend that humanity would not lapse into rape and predation without social structures to prevent this (How’s immorality and deregulation working out for Wall Street, by the way?). But without someone advocating for human rights in a consistent way….. without the influence of a metaphysical doctrine of human value…. you cannot assume that the world would be safe, pleasant, or even livable. It’s bad enough as it is. Anyone who believes that less restraint is going to improve things is mental.

But, Church doctrine on life issues is still much stronger than anything offered by the competition. Atheists have no coherent reason or philosophy that dictates universal human rights. Protestants might have a shadow of the Catholic doctrine, but no theological heft to back it up. But, in general, humans are morally weak creatures…. and the pro-abortion crowd has human weakness on its side. In the same way that Wall Street thrives on the human capacity to be greedy, so much so that they actually believe greed is a virtue…. so it goes for most people.

That’s why the church opposes war except under very strict conditions. That’s why the church is openly against capital punishment and for the rights of working people. That’s why the church is against abortion. That’s why the Church has to be taken apart by people every ego-driven special interest imaginable. It is a huge and obstinate obstacle to the progress of raw capitalism, total war, and general social collapse. It’s funny, though, that the number one criticism that people have for the Church is this: “You’re supposed to be better than us…. but you’re not.” They point their fingers, with no capacity to reflect upon their own sins. And we are supposed to trust people who behave this way with out well-being?

Humans are creatures of infinite worth and vast potential, but we have deeply ingrained tendencies, which if left to fester, pervert and distort our potential. That some people in this world have the courage to admit this, without necessarily having the strength in themselves to resist their dark tendencies, ought to remind us to heed their warnings….