Graham Not Sold on Obama’s Christianity, Santorum Warned of Satan in 2008
The 2012 race turned to God, Satan and religion when Franklin Graham said he’s surer that Rick Santorum is a Christian than President Obama and a 2008 Santorum speech surfaced in which the top GOP candidate told a religious audience that Satan is attacking U.S. institutions.
Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham, said on MSNBC Tuesday that he could not verify that President Obama is a Christian. “I just have to assume that he is,” Graham said.
But he has no question about Rick Santorum. “His values are so clear on moral issues. No question about it. … I think he’s a man of faith.”
Santorum’s faith was in the news for another reason, too. The Pennsylvania Republican said in 2008, two years after losing his Senate seat and four years before seeking the presidency, that Satan was attacking U.S. institutions in government and religion.
The comments, not before mentioned during the 2012 election cycle, were the lead item on the Drudge Report Tuesday. Santorum has surged to even or even ahead of Mitt Romney in opinion polls, including in Romney’s home state of Michigan, where Republican voters cast their preference for the GOP nominee next Tuesday.
Santorum, speaking at the conservative Catholic Ave Maria University in Florida, praised the Catholic Bishop Samuel Aquila for pledging to deny communion to politicians who support abortion rights and said the matter went beyond politics and was a symptom of Satan’s reach in U.S. society.
“While we all see all this as a great political conflict in warfare between the Obama camp and the McCain camp and culture wars, what Bishop Aquila put his finger on and what I think, I suspect those of you who are here understand, this is not a political war at all. This is not a cultural war. This is a spiritual war,” Santorum said in August of 2008.
“And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country, the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age. There is no one else to go after other than the United States and that has been the case now for almost 200 years, once America’s preeminence was sown by our great Founding Fathers.”
Santorum said Satan’s reach in U.S. society has grown.
“He didn’t have much success in the early days. Our foundation was very strong, in fact, is very strong. But over time, that great, acidic quality of time corrodes even the strongest foundations. And Satan has done so by attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity, and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that has so deeply rooted in the American tradition.”
The Republican presidential contest that has so far focused on the economy has taken a definitive swing toward social issues with the emergency of Santorum as a major contender. And where Republicans and candidates had attacked President Obama for his stewardship of the economy, they today are focusing more on his social positions and even the religious underpinnings of his policy.
Even Mitt Romney, the Mormon front-runner, who has by and large shied away from including religion in his campaign, today argued that Obama has a “secular agenda.”
Santorum has never been shy about his faith and its effect on his policy.
Rick Santorum went after President Obama in Ohio last week for “exercising his values and trumping the values of the Church,” but less than two years ago, the candidate wasn’t so opposed to letting theology into the presidency.
During a speech at American University in November 2010, Santorum told the College Republicans, “I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.”
Santorum went on to say, “It has allowed politicians to say, ‘I am privately this way, but publicly that way.’ ”
Santorum spoke last week in regard to the president’s controversial mandate requiring employers to provide insurance that offers co-pay-free birth control. Santorum argued that this imposed a way of thinking on religious people that ran counter to their beliefs.
Santorum continued on that vein this weekend, saying, “It is imposing his ideology on a group of people expressing their theology, their moral code, and saying the government will force you to do what your faith says is gravely wrong.”
There have been exceptions to the rule.
Santorum has said that while he personally opposes contraception and believes that it contributes to societal degradation and “the whole sexual libertine idea,” he would not seek to outlaw it as a policy matter. And he pledged in 2006 not to curb access to contraception.
Likewise with homosexuality, he has said he would not vote for a law to outlaw homosexual behavior. But Santorum opposes the landmark Supreme Court decisions that overturned such laws on contraception in 1965 and homosexual behavior in 2003.
ABC’s Sarah Parnass contributed to this report.
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Reminds me of SNL and Dana Carvey ….”Could it be…SATAN !? ” Lmao . Conservatives have thoroughly entertained me thus far , I can only hope this continues for a while longer . Hahahaha !!
Posted by: DAVEM | February 21, 2012, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Meanwhile, God doesn’t want to be associated with ANY of these clowns…
Posted by: Really? | February 21, 2012, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Such a sad, pathetic commentary on the republican party. To have sunk to the levels they have. Now they have a so called “man of God” doing their dirty work for them. Shame on f graham. He of all people should know better than to judge people!
Posted by: Pete | February 21, 2012, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
These repubs get more pathetic by the day. If not for the constant comedy, they would be the saddest group of misfits on the planet. The Graham’s have shown on multiple occasions, by the looney dad and now the looney son, that they are not even worth listening too. lol
Posted by: jstate83 | February 21, 2012, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
“Such a sad, pathetic commentary on the republican party. To have sunk to the levels they have….”
It TRULY is!!! What is the matter with these people and this party?
Posted by: MyTakeOnThis61 | February 21, 2012, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
So instead Santorum wants to impose HIS theology on all of us!!!! Very telling quote is that he does not consider the separation of Church and State Absolute!. THIS MAN IS SCARY.
Posted by: pksk531 | February 21, 2012, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
People in this country have lost their minds.
Posted by: Be Sane | February 21, 2012, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
No one has ever accused Satan of being an idiot. That being given, who would he likely come as? I’d bet he’d be an unassailably righteous “man of faith.”
Posted by: Locke | February 21, 2012, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Jesus was a liberal, so none of the Republican candidates qualify as a Christian.
Posted by: Greggw | February 21, 2012, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
I am more inclined to back Santorum now that ever. This only serves to bolster my support. You know what you are getting and I’m sick and tired of people telling Christians we have to be quiet and not to talk about God. Well, I’m telling you right now, there are more of us than those who are not believers. We are at the point we are not going to take any more. You better move over and stop bullying us. We are gonna push back.
Posted by: Nonofmybiznez | February 21, 2012, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Well, seeing how obama has blamed his incompetence on bush for the first 3 years and anyone making over 200k for the last one, old Nick is a lightweight.
Posted by: Lynn | February 21, 2012, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Well, if you’re going to demonize your opponent, you might as well think big.
Posted by: Fred | February 21, 2012, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Only in America can some pathetic “want-to-be like my father because I have no other skill set and can’t make a living doing anything else” bring so much publicity to a question of faith. Graham and the rest of the repubs need to look at their own values and faith. Who are they to question ? are they closer to God by virtue of birth or divine appointment ? Graham is a pathetic hypocrite and shepherd to a lost flock of ne’er-do-wells.
Posted by: ThomasB | February 21, 2012, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
So Santorum is going to lead us into battle and defeat Satan from his grip on the US? Ridiculous. Politics and religion do not mix unless you happen to be Eqypt, Syria or Iran. This guy should seriously scare the more reasonable among us.
Posted by: TroyS | February 21, 2012, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
This is nauseating. What they do to get attention and get votes is sewage.
Posted by: FrankBlourtango | February 21, 2012, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
The hypocrisy hurts my head!
Posted by: Nicholas | February 21, 2012, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
This is getting scary. Too much religion in politics these days. I fear that we are slowly headed toward a theocracy and that’s pretty scary. There is a reason for separation of church and state and that line is becoming very blurry. As for Franklin Graham, when did he become the authority on who is and isn’t Christian? My faith is a personal matter for me. I guess you’re only considered a Christian if you’re yelling it from the roof tops. Instead of jobs and the economy taking the forefront, the Republicans are talking about religious and social issues. Could it be because they don’t have any solutions to jobs and economy issue? Sounds like it with all this deflection. The kooks are coming out of the woodwork. Let’s hope there are enough sane Americans around to stop this theocratic takeover by the Religious Right.
Posted by: carole | February 21, 2012, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Is Santorum calling for a Holy War or is he running for president? I’m confused.
Posted by: carole | February 21, 2012, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Why can’t politicians FOCUS ON THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS COUNTRY — RELIGION — REALLY!!! Remember separation of church and state!!! This is so sickening…Republicans are fools!!!!
Posted by: HELP_US | February 21, 2012, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
I really hope that wise moderates and independents who value knowledge, education, science and the like are paying attention to idiots like Graham and Santorum. All they are is a ‘quick lesson’ in what has become the ‘biggest problem’ in politics in the United States. But…at the same time…all it is doing is destroying the GOP.
Posted by: CND FOX | February 21, 2012, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
It’s a shame to see the evil of social conservatism once again rearing its ugly head. We’re a country of people from many walks of life, many religions and different views. Social conservatives attempt to make a moral claim that they know, and want to legislate, the right way for people to live. Everyone’s view on religion, or non-religion varies. Even within the same sects. The last thing we need is government trying to be on the right, left or whatever side of God some conservative, whacko, believer thinks.
Posted by: plantain_11 | February 21, 2012, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
This hot garbage sounds suspiciously like the early Hitler days in the 1920′s in Germany…
Posted by: natFrankie | February 21, 2012, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Boy reading these comments here, I am seeing a lot of true idots that voice their opinions that you can tell they are so stupid to make such comments in the first place. If the people of America dont pull together and get this nut case out of the white house …we will all live to regret it.
Christians rule this world and always will…so move over you non-belivers and go dig yourself a hole.
I will vote for whoever wins the rep. party….I mean even if mickey mouse runs against Obama I will vote for mickey.
Posted by: Deb | February 21, 2012, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Nonofmybiznez | February 21, 2012, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm You must be one of those people who if someone respectfully asks you to please refrain from any discussion of religion in a setting not connected to that religion, you would keep right on preaching regardless of whether the other person wants to hear it. I’m not an athiest, i just have my own choice of where I worship and my biggest fear is of being marched into the church of Rick Santorums or Franklin Grahams choice at gunpoint.
Posted by: howdymo1 | February 21, 2012, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
This sounds like ”psychotalk” to us. Now then, Santorum must be the exorcist. Or is F. Graham. These bozos are even beyond a shrink’s reach and none other than Freud can cure them, barely. Graham is more frightening than satan, or is it that satan is scred of Graham?
Posted by: Marat | February 21, 2012, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
I’m not sold on Graham’s or Santorum’s christianity because Jesus knew how evil politics is and stayed away from it.
Posted by: myopinionpal | February 21, 2012, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
You can not oppose abortion and condone contraception. You can not be a half Catholic. We must ban they both and divorce also.
Posted by: bob in texas | February 21, 2012, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
The President does not have to be Christian or any other religion. US Constitution is clear in that regard.
Posted by: hereticzero | February 21, 2012, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
i have not seen anything from on high that claims Graham speaks for god.
Posted by: hereticzero | February 21, 2012, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Satanorum for President in 2012.
Posted by: JP | February 21, 2012, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
Santorum is a christian zealot. The constitution demands separation of church and state to protect both the state and religion. Government should be secular. Having said that, it is ridiculous to think that anyone’s actions will not be informed by their morals and ethics whether religiously influenced or not. When it comes to governance, ethics (fair and honest thought and action) should balance morals (personal standards of goodness and rightness of character) though both are important, and officials should focus on the secular application of both and guard against confusing infusing religious doctrine with broadly acceptable moral codes when legislating. I am an adherent of a christian church, but I do not want to see the United States government overtaken by any particular religious doctrine be it christian or that of any other religion. I truly believe that there is enough common ethical and moral ground among the diverse peoples of this country to influence government for the common good without infusing it with religious doctrine, and that a secular government is the greatest protector of religious freedom.
Posted by: Thinks2010 | February 21, 2012, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
Hey Deb, sorry to disappoint but, many of the founding fathers were Deists. Some of them were atheists. And, yes, some were Christian.
Posted by: plantain_11 | February 21, 2012, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
He and little Graham wannabe sure aren’t very Christian, are they?
Posted by: WW | February 21, 2012, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
“I’m not sold on Graham’s or Santorum’s christianity because Jesus knew how evil politics is and stayed away from it. “———————-One of His many respected accomplishments , truly a difficult thing for a religious leader in any time in history . As has been said before , He was perhaps the Last true Christian . Just look at Iran and Iraq and Pakistan people . If you want some guy in a pulpit ( or minaret , same difference ) telling you what to do ( via his influence on the US leadership ) then by all means elect someone like Santorum .
Posted by: nilxequs | February 21, 2012, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
That’s okay Mr. Graham, most of us don’t think Obama is one either.
What Christian forces Christian organizations to use money towards things that they hold to be immoral? If no one knows what I speak of, re-read this article. Obama is forcing Catholic institutions to pay for their employees to have access to birth control. What happened to seperation of church and state when clearly the government is infringing upon personal beliefs? No TRUE Christian would do this. Jesus even said that you would know if someone was a true follower of Christ by their fruits, meaning their character, etc. Obama is just wants to appeal to the mass conservative voters and therefore drops the name when needed. There’s so many things that he has done to show the world that he does not know or follow the ONE he says he does.
Posted by: SherryAnn | February 21, 2012, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
I love the concept that “He didn’t have much success in the early days. Our foundation was very strong, in fact, is very strong. But over time, that great, acidic quality of time corrodes even the strongest foundations.”
Yes slavery was an awesome foundation that was very stong. Satan could not put a wedge in that truely christian institution. To think that our country is less moral than in any era in history is just stupid.
Posted by: jamman662 | February 21, 2012, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Yep Constitution is pretty clear on religion. Meaning it’s inherently wrong to oppress someone for their religious beliefs. Anyways no one is about to forget the last four years of mediocrity. Santorum or Romney will hammer the incompetent obama this fall.
Posted by: Gonzalez | February 21, 2012, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
I am a democrat who believes in his comment… Satan is attacking America and Christianity.
Posted by: mama Lucia | February 21, 2012, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
1. Satan has been attacking U.S. institutions in government and religion since the U.S. has existed.
2. I don’t want my religion mixed with my politics.
Posted by: Huh? | February 21, 2012, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Considering atheist totalitarians(Mao, Stalin, pol pot, lenin etc) are responsible for tens of millions of deaths in last century, a Christian candidate with principles is very welcome.
Posted by: Liz | February 21, 2012, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
When high ranking members of any church can pledge to deny communion to politicians who support abortion rights, they are no longer Christian churches and need to loose their tax exempt status. The Catholic church is the largest FOR PROFIT business in the world. While touting his belief in the way our founding fathers formed our current political system (that they wouldn’t even recognize) Santorum told the College Republicans, “I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.”
Posted by: Scott Cole | February 21, 2012, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
So sanitarium let me get this straight we were more christian 200 years ago when we had slaves and women couldn’t vote and satan came along and freed the slaves and gave the women the right to vote and now we are more sinful.
Posted by: saltwater | February 21, 2012, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Santorum is the only one who can energize the republican base and has a shot in November. Voters cannot identify w/ Rmoney the way they can w/ Santorum. How many voters have $100 million tax-free kids’ trust funds, 13.9% tax rate on $21 million income, and Cayman island trust funds?
Posted by: Rinku Bhat | February 21, 2012, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
When heaven is full of atheists, where will the Christians be?
Posted by: hereticzero | February 21, 2012, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Slavery a christian institution? Sorry to point out your delusion but that practice was in place millenia before Christianity.
Posted by: Ingrid | February 21, 2012, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Oh my gosh… we’re really going to have a holy war right here in America? Really? Graham should know better, and InSanetorum has lost the nomination. He’s proving himself a bigger lunatic everyday with every word out of his sanctimonious hypocritical mouth. What difference does it make what religion Obama is, really… who cares? He doesn’t even have to be religious because that doesn’t prove anything. Some of the worst people I know call themselves “born again,” and they are really sickos, certainly not good people. You are known by your actions and he is trying to help the citizens of this country. Santorum is one dangerous whacko.
Posted by: nfission | February 21, 2012, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
It always amazes me how those most loudly proclaiming their ‘Christianity’ are the most flagrantly hypocritical. Jesus preached peace, love and forgiveness, and little else. I don’t think he hates gays, and I doubt he would bomb an abortion clinic. And I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t advocate the indiscriminate killing of people in the name of combatting terrorism. Seems to me he said something about turning the other cheek…
Posted by: Bobarama | February 21, 2012, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Considering that it was Christians that fought a Civil war to free slaves, some commenters speak in very poor taste
Posted by: Gonzalez | February 21, 2012, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Everyone still has the right to free speech just like on this blog. So let the guy speak want he wants and if you don’t like it, don’t continue reading it, however you did continue reading it and you are saying he doesn’t have the right to speak his mind. If Santorum was crazy, he still has a right to speak and push the agenda in his campaign that he wants. Freedom of speech isn’t just for the liberals.
Posted by: Danielle | February 21, 2012, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
atheists in heaven? Nah those foul tempered nihilists and reds are too busy plotting their next genocide.
Posted by: Gonzalez | February 21, 2012, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Santorum and the Republican field as a whole are terrifying me with their pandering to the religious nut jobs in this country. On one hand they bash Islam and Islamic countries for Sharia Law, but then they turn around and want to force their Christian beliefs on every one in this country and integrate them into our, by definition, secular government. These people have clearly forgotten that one of the single most defining principles of this country is the ABSOLUTE and UTTER separation of church and state. Roger Williams, founder of the Rhode Island colony and Puritan minister, himself was one of the first to proffer the separate walled off “Garden of the Church.” Furthermore, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison all wrote extensively of keeping the Church and State separate to promote both unity and growth. We need to send all those promoting the mingling of church and state off to a few history lessons.
Posted by: TX_AG | February 21, 2012, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Yeah Danielle, Santorum has every right to sound like the idiot he is. And it’s a free country so I can call him that.
Posted by: lexingtonlady | February 21, 2012, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Bread and circuses.. This has been the worst presidential term in about the last 70 years or so. Nobody is going to forget that come November. Assuming they can still afford to drive to the polls the American public is going to rid itself of this divisive, class warfare president.
Posted by: TJC | February 21, 2012, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Franklin Graham is a disgrace living off his family name. Wonder why he has to assume about the President but takes that nut Santorum at his word?
Posted by: Clt | February 21, 2012, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
OMG! This is getting totally out of hand. I wonder what President Kennedy and Ronald Regan would say today about how religion has entered at this extreme in Politics. The Republicans are beating a dead horse ( pardon the pun) and this is why this Party has become a laughing stock. I believe in a higher power and believes that our constitution is well and strong in this country. But these kind of fanatical false Christians (Santorum a Catholic) are forgetting Jesus and his teachings. Shame on them and their false ideology!
Posted by: Katie McClure | February 21, 2012, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
I almost forgot, Christians in this country also need to knock of the rhetoric of a “war on religion” or that “secularists” are out to get them. That is, quite possibly, one of the most ridiculous things someone could say. As Jon Stewart put it: “You’ve confused not getting everything you want with being attacked.” Try telling someone you’re an atheist for a day and see how people look at and treat you. The non-religious are the segment of the population that are truly under attack in this country.
Posted by: TX_AG | February 21, 2012, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Saltwater: “So sanitarium let me get this straight we were more christian 200 years ago when we had slaves and women couldn’t vote and satan came along and freed the slaves and gave the women the right to vote and now we are more sinful.”
What, you didn’t know that feminism is the work of the devil, and birth control is Satan’s Little Helper…? (wink, wink)
Posted by: Christine | February 21, 2012, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Just remember – any country that can elect a Christian and let Christianity take control can later elect any other faith and let that faith take control. Any legislative body that has the right to forbid abortion is no different than the Chinese government that can require it. Still complete control. Seriously – once you let a government based on a religious faith into your personal lives, you have given up your personal lives.
Posted by: Sheila | February 21, 2012, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
“This is a spirital war.”…..Drug war, cultural war, class war, religious war, race war, marriage war, birth control war, political war, conservative-liberal war, global warming war, gender war, generation war, civil war, and just plain war. Maybe it is time to use a different approach than war. A war mindset may reflect resolve and seriousness of an issue, but it also lead to seeing those that disagree with us as being more different from us than necessary or beneficial.
Posted by: Rip Rivers | February 21, 2012, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Today is Mardi Gras (Fat Tuesday) where all of the nice Christian folks get drunk, unruly and arrested and tomorrow they will all be in church for Ash Wednesday making the supreme sacrifice of liver and onions (which they probably don’t eat anyway). Heaven forbid they should give up their booze and drugs.
Posted by: howdymo1 | February 21, 2012, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Santorum’s religious rights and those of everyone else(non-religious & otherwise) in this country are covered in the Constitution. No one can change that. Looking forward to seeing Obama get hammered on actual issues in the debates.
Posted by: Will | February 21, 2012, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
I understand the Republic answer to Occupy Wall Street is Occup[y the Vagina! Mandatory invasive procedures for women. Uber religious fanatics telling me my religion is not good enough! Why not take some of the PAC money and invest it in a copy of the Constitution. How about the part where it says there shall be no religious test for any office in this country? I resent having other peopl hold me to their religion. How about you all have to follow mine?
Posted by: ChiDem | February 21, 2012, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
@sheila – Fearmongering dear? The Roe vs Wade ruling is what it is. Nothing will change..Anyone can eliminate their unborn child in the womb to suit their whimsy.
Posted by: Will | February 21, 2012, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Santorum is a lunatic and those who think the general population is going to buy into his voodoo are nothing short of delusional. The religious fanatics may be out voting for him now, but come November there is no way the moderate Republicans and most of the Democrats are going to buy into curbing contraception, ending prenatal care coverage, ending federal financing of education, etc, etc, And any self-respecting woman should think long and hard before even considering a vote for him. And who says time travel is impossible? He’ll take us all back to 1920!
Posted by: 1tal1ano | February 21, 2012, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Did Graham pass the collection basket around after his rhetorical speech?
Posted by: michael | February 21, 2012, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
A collection of Santorum’s quotes regarding religion could make him certifiably crazy.
Franklin Graham not being able to say Obama is a Christian is like the young man who cannot utter the words “I love you” out of fear it may mean making a committment he may come to regret.
Posted by: ernieson | February 21, 2012, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
If Santorum is talking about a godly connection, then let’s get ready for war. Because the republican god is a god of war.
Posted by: jonzy | February 21, 2012, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
As long as Santorum or his supporters can keep up the wild claims and outlandish rhetoric, the media will keep putting them in the news. It doesn’t matter how idiotic they look, just as long as they keep that brand recognition going for the voter. At least TRUE Christians have the humbleness to avoid this nonsense. If anything, Santorum is harming Christianity more than helping by standing on a pedestal wanting to be the center of attention like some Jezebel.
Posted by: wayne | February 21, 2012, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
All of this bickering over Satan and God, and what’s right and what’s wrong, and left and right, and hot and cold. Satan and God do not exist. If they do, let them strike me down with their supernatural powers right now! I’m still here. We’re all arguing over religious bs that causes way more harm than good.
Posted by: plantain_11 | February 21, 2012, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Any man who constantly attacks another man’s religions or faith is trying to deflect away from his own lack flawed belief system. Isn’t this the way Satan works? Always trying to deflect any scrutiny away from himself? Because if people took time to look and really listen, not just hear, they’d realize the Santorums and the likes are really Satan’s spawn parading around in religious attire?
Posted by: breela | February 21, 2012, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Wow, and the right has the audacity to say that President Obama is divisive?
Keep your hypocritical, apocalyptic religious nonsense out of my government. It’s 2012, and the US is NOT a theocracy.
Posted by: Jilli | February 21, 2012, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Well let’s just see how well the God vote works because I for one will only vote for a man that has faith and moral character. Which is exactly why I did not vote for Obama. Anyone with any discernment can see through Obama but many have fallen for his smooth speeches even though there is no substance.
Posted by: Seriously | February 21, 2012, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
There is a good reason Santorum was sidelined in the debates. He is a weak, non-player. His recent rise in the polls is just a temporary look for anybody-but-Romney. Just a couple of weeks of spotlight and all the baggage comes out. He is still unelectable and would be a complete disaster for the Republicans in November.
Posted by: redryder | February 21, 2012, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
i wonder how many oriests in florida have had their pasts covered up for them by thisbishop aquila?this matter about obamas religiong and what he beleives in is his own business.he has not been trying to force his religion down the throats of others like santorum has been. enough about religion and start discussing way to straighten out the main problems faceing the usa
Posted by: guy | February 21, 2012, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
….somebody wake me when they get around to the part where he’s a Muslim. I’ve SEEN this movie before. The only part I care about is the end.
Posted by: Waymond | February 21, 2012, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
the lynch mobs are itching to return. clearly the supporters of satantorum have no clue about that.. becuase they are lazy and stupid, expecting everything given to them because they ‘feel in their heart’ that they are christians.
that was not god who motivated the lynch mobs, despite their constant, loud proclamations of righteousness. nor it is god who is in the heart of any torture-loving, poor-hating war monger.
Posted by: joe blowsky | February 21, 2012, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Please keep these closed minded religious nuts out of public office!
Posted by: patriotusa | February 21, 2012, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Is Rick Santorum on meds or he is smoking something he has no business smoking? This dude is becoming weird and creepy.
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | February 21, 2012, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
I can say with full certainty that Billy Graham is not a Christian because he makes false judgement about other people. He has violated the very tenet of the Christian religion that admonishes the faithful “Thou should not judge.”
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | February 21, 2012, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Satan has more sanity than the GOP.
Posted by: newz4i | February 21, 2012, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Mr Santorum, how about reading some of the New Testament, you may find it very enlightening!
Posted by: ajkrueger1947 | February 21, 2012, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, Article 6 states:
“The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; BUT NO RELIGIOUS TEST SHALL EVER BE REQUIRED as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” Someone ought to tell Rick Santorum, and Franklin Graham, about the U.S. Constitution. Enough said.
Posted by: I-Vote | February 21, 2012, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
What a gourd head. Gees this is scary.
Posted by: Diane | February 21, 2012, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
There is a reason there is a separation of church and state. You zealots need to just STOP! You are entitled to believe in anything you want you are not entitled to push it on every candidate up for election.
Posted by: Tim C | February 21, 2012, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Politics of personal attacks make Republican presidential candidates look pathetic.
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | February 21, 2012, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
Santorum is sounding more like a theocrat and demogogue every day. Pretty soon he’ll be certifiable. The last time religion and politics got too close they burned women at the stake and tortured the “nonbelievers”. And, ask the victims of the Taliban how they feel about living in a theocracy.
Posted by: Don | February 21, 2012, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
This dude is neurotic, if you ask me.
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | February 21, 2012, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
These comments are very funny. If you want to know what team you’re on just take my simple quiz. If you are committed and passionate about defending the first amendment rights of religious freedom and speech then you are on one side. If you are committed and passionate about oppressing the first amendment rights of religious freedom and speech then you are on the other side. You can judge for yourself which side is right or wrong.
Posted by: John | February 21, 2012, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
The ONLY Republican who could possibly beat President Obama in 2012 is Ronald Reagan (and he is dead) though given the state the the republican party is in with it’s unspiring cast of candidates the religious zealots should start praying for a Lazarus moment. I look forward to this election because the republicans will get a drubbing not seen since LBJ creamed Barry Goldwater.
Posted by: ReaganDemocrat | February 21, 2012, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
He’s right. The book of Daniel is very clear about Satan’s involvement in politics. Apparently every nation/region has a demonic overseer. God’s angel was delayed coming to Daniel for three weeks because of a powerful demonic force in Persia prevented him from doing so. (Daniel chapter 10)
Posted by: Randy | February 21, 2012, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
I’m more covinced that Billy is a Christian than Franklin is. This argument has nothing to do with the election. Stop the “I’m more Christian than you are.” It’s not very Christian.
Posted by: Doc Z | February 21, 2012, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
regarding John’s post of the simple quiz. Obviously from a simple mind! Mr. Santorum is attempting to tap into a group that George W Bush was able to sucessfuly utilize to get him to the white house. The only thing is is that W’ was able to get a large enough portion of the electorate that did not identify as “evangilicals” then he proceeded to screw things up to such an extent that the thinking electorate sees ANY sign of over use of religion coupled with politics and policy making as posinous radon.
Posted by: John | February 21, 2012, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
just as in the past God did control the path of each government leaders, the people must decide the way of the truth. Then the truth will decjde their ftnal fate . make your choice for it is what decides our lives.
Posted by: steve | February 21, 2012, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Political christians (lower case “c” intentional) worship three Gods: God, power and money. Not necessarily in that order.
Posted by: majorityofone | February 21, 2012, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
Is Rick Santorum a man of God or a man of Satan?
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | February 21, 2012, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
The only Satan I see invading our institutions are his GOP minions. They are they epitome of snakes in the grass. The devil is in the details and the GOP falsehoods. Santorum is a sanctimonious buffoon and the devil incarnate.
Posted by: Joe Allard | February 21, 2012, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
I’ve rarely heard a better argument for free speech than Rick Santorum. Without it, his radical beliefs and his willingness to inflict them on this country by moving away from our constitutionally secular form of government would have gone relatively unknown. As nice as it always is to hear from those with whom you agree, I think it is even more important to hear from those whose opinions and ideologies you do not share. When you hear them, you can make an informed and conscious choice to either adopt them or actively oppose them. When it comes to government, ignorance is never bliss.
Thanks, Rick, for speaking your mind. I now know that I cannot vote for you if I wish to protect the many freedoms enumerated in our constitution, especially our freedom of and from religion.
Posted by: Thinks2010 | February 21, 2012, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Basically, Graham wants Obama to “prove” that he’s a Christian by ESTABLISHING Graham’s brand of Christianity as the Official Religion of the U.S.
Posted by: Pax Tayer | February 21, 2012, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
what I find ironic when Santorum questions Obama’s faith is that many fundamentalist christians I’ve met feel that Catholics are no longer proper Christians because of the direction the church took long ago.
Posted by: johnC | February 21, 2012, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” — George Washington
“And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe — the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.” — JFK Inaugural Address (Gasp)
The left is funny. As if Rick Santorum is the first politician who believed in right and wrong, good and evil, God and Satan. But it probably is a better strategy than to run on the economy, the deficit, Hope and Change.
Ask any lib – Why believe in God? The sophisticated, intelligent voter believes in Barrack Hussein Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. LOL
Posted by: Logicsgood5 | February 21, 2012, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
I’m not voting for Obama again, and I’m Black. Oh, and yeah, Obama does have obvious contempt for most of “regular” America, including Blacks who can and do make it on their own without depending on government.
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Posted by: JAMICA | February 21, 2012, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Ignorance, blind faith, dogma, false beliefs, and indoctrination are the things that lead to religious wars and persecution.
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | February 21, 2012, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
Great…more God Wars…
Posted by: Mikey | February 21, 2012, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Republicans these days are really insane! They used to be just insane. Before that, they were just slightly crazy.
Posted by: plantain_11 | February 21, 2012, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Well, Franklin Graham just lost my respect. To whom does Obama need to prove this? To Franklin Graham? I thought he was a minister, not a judge on “American Idol, The God Version” . WRONG on every level.
Posted by: Paula Johnson | February 21, 2012, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
Besides our current president believing only in himself and marxism, there is another problem. It is interesting and sad to note that we now have as president a man who never, ever has had a real job at all, not even a minor real job when he was far younger. From anemic academic to crooked community organizer (race-baiting shakedown artist and con man) to mostly absentee senator to failed president. It’s weird and unique, and it is why we are in the mess we’re in.
Posted by: WHY WE ARE HERE | February 21, 2012, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
What a load of malarkey. This call to remember how great the US was before Satan got his claws in us is just so, so funny. Doesn’t Ricky Boy remember that christian zealots like him were all for the institution of slavery based on bizarre scriptural logic, were all for the dominance of native cultures here for similar reasons, were some of the driving forces behind institutional racism in the South, yet never spoke out against killings and bombings of blacks and others. Sorry, the history of Christianity is nothing to be particularly proud of and having a prezzie spouting such nonsense is scary!
Posted by: Mad Dog | February 21, 2012, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Virtually all our candidates as well as the President have little respect for Jude-Christian values. If they did, they wouldn’t continuously lie, deceive and distort the truth.
Posted by: Neil C Denver | February 21, 2012, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Democrats these days are really insane! They used to be just insane. Before that, they were just slightly crazy.
POSTED BY: PLANTAIN_11
Agreed. But still, even revised, your posts read like something written by someone in junior high.
Posted by: the shadow | February 21, 2012, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
News flash: Neither Diane Sawyer nor Jake Tapper ever heard of George Soros and the millions he contributes to Democrats. Plenty on donors to Republicans; nothing on what Soros kicks in to Democrats. Hello? Earth to Diane and Jake. Hello?
Posted by: Jack Davis | February 21, 2012, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
God or no god, nothing’s really changed: Obama still sucks. And he’ll still be sucking just as badly when November barrels into town.
Posted by: sai | February 21, 2012, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
Obama just needs to prove he’s from earth. Those freakishly large ears. Mighty suspicious. But maybe it’s just all of that teleprompted lying.
Posted by: kimberly | February 21, 2012, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
I guess the Republicans who gave us a recession have no issues with the recovery and job growth that the Dems have ushered and so they bring up non issues at this rate the Republicans have gone to the extreme right and will loose in the presidential elections.
Posted by: Girish | February 21, 2012, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Stick to your guns Santorum. Romney is the man but I really believe that if you were elected we could count on what you say in 2012 to hold true in 2016. How sweet it is to have someone with a core and some backbone in the political arena. Make a promise of transparency, I believe that’s the way it will be. Hey, I had rather deal with someone who I might disagree with but who will give me their honest opinion knowing they will stick to their word. Like back in the day, when a man’s word and handshake was all it took. May not agree with you but I can deal with an honest man who has more to offer than empty promises and flowery speeches.
Posted by: choppy seas | February 21, 2012, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Politics is all about lying and deceiving. Satins game……………….
Posted by: ? | February 21, 2012, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
“I guess the Republicans who gave us a recession…”
POSTED BY: GIRISH
And Obama liked it so well, he decided to keep it, and to add total national bankruptcy into the mix. Get real.
Posted by: blip | February 21, 2012, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
It seems that Obama may need a new and improved teleprompter to deliver his dreary and pompous demagoguery. Th old stuff is stale.
Posted by: rafael | February 21, 2012, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
Keep it up Ricky, boy. Keep rallying those wing nuts in your base. The social and rel;igious nutballs that represent the absolutely solid ‘fault line’ that will destroy the GOP, not only this fall…but for decades to come. This is ‘positive proof’ of what fear mongering and negativity does to ANY entity. I love what I am seeing.
Posted by: CND FOX | February 21, 2012, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
The two Republican leaders, Romney and Santorum, are playing ‘one-upmanship’ with right wing religious rhetoric. Pretty soon they’ll be so far right that the gulf between them and Obama will be about the same as an Electoral College for Obama in November. The Republicans are heady from the cheers from the right….but they’re losing votes in the middle by droves. It truly is hard to believe they are saying the things they are…not tolerant, not forgiving….not Christian values.
Posted by: Rob Dent | February 21, 2012, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
From Factcheck.org:
“The nation’s total debt stood at $10.6 trillion on the day Obama took office, and it had increased to nearly $15.4 trillion by the end of January 2012 — a rise of more than $4.7 trillion in just over three years.
That’s a huge increase to be sure — 44.5 percent. And the Congressional Budget Office now projects that it will grow to more than $16 trillion by the end of the current fiscal year on Sept. 30. At that point, the debt will have increased by more dollars in Obama’s first four years than it did in George W. Bush’s entire eight-year tenure, when it rose by $4.9 trillion. The rise under Obama would then be the biggest dollar increase for any president in U.S. history.”
Posted by: Very sad and quite true | February 21, 2012, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
How are we any different from Iran with political compaigns full of this nonsense? how are we any different than Al Qaeda leaders with this lunacy? This country is screwed.
Posted by: Ralph Siegler | February 21, 2012, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
“Our foundation was strong…” So Rick, when you say the foundation of our nation’s founders wa strong, are you including in those foundations human slavery which the founders endorsed and even allowed counting these slaves as three-fifths of a person?
Posted by: Brother Bill | February 21, 2012, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
The Republican elite hide behind “support for Religious Freedoms” the same way Gay men have hidden behind the cloth to do their evil deeds. Now those same Republican elite pull out all the stops to derail Santorum.
Posted by: Pat | February 21, 2012, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
Cannot WAIT to get out there this fall and pound the pavement against whichever nutcase wins the Republican nomination. This is AMERICA people. The whole point is that we are all DIFFERENT. Why do you right wingers insist on hating so much those that don’t believe as you do? John Stewart was right. You don’t get your way on something and BAM – it’s an ASSAULT. Can’t you just live and let live? Life is short and you are wasting yours telling ME how to live mine. Requiring an insurance company to offer the OPTION of birth control to a female employee is not OPPRESSING or IMPOSING on a person of faith. No one is MAKING that woman go on the pill. It’s just there if she decides she wants it. These religious nuts act like Obama is force-feeding these women the pill once a month! And another thing…. last I checked Republicans are very ANTI-welfare. And they are ANTI family planning… Want to have your cake and eat it too? Pro-life, but all for dropping bombs? Please. It’s 2012. Go find an agenda that doesn’t make my stomach turn.
Posted by: Yellow Dog | February 21, 2012, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
“Ignorance, blind faith, dogma, false beliefs, and indoctrination are the things that lead to the communist genocides under Stalin and Mao.”
POSTED BY: NOFLYZONE2
Few seem to point this out when discussing these matters. Agreed.
Posted by: JJ martin | February 21, 2012, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
“Ignorance, blind faith, dogma, false beliefs, and indoctrination are the things that lead to the communist genocides under Stalin and Mao.”
POSTED BY: NOFLYZONE2
“Few seem to point this out when discussing these matters. Agreed.”
POSTED BY: JJ Martins
Yes far more multi-millions killed in this fashion than through “religion”.
Posted by: branson pete | February 21, 2012, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
We should all vote for Santorum, God really does like him best.
Posted by: FrankBlourtango | February 21, 2012, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
“John Stewart was right.”
POSTED BY: YELLOW DOG
Uh…Jon Stewart, your big “authority”, also basically said that Obama is condescending and patronizing and scornful of Americans. Get honest. The rest of your post is just a silly rant and vent of little or no substance.
Posted by: What he said | February 21, 2012, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
I’m going to SO love it when the FCC / State Police pull up to this guy’s ( well his mom’s anyway ) trailer . ; )
Posted by: internet_police | February 21, 2012, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Theocratic governments are constantly at war with their people because the people long for Individual freedom. Although the radical Christian Right has been working for many years to change our government through 18th century fear propaganda techniques, the United States of America is secular by constitutional design. Our country is strong because if diversity in its people and its acceptance of all peoples regardless of faith. Politicians Rick Santorum and the power hungry likes of Franklin Graham will destroy the foundation of our diversity by placing Christianity in a superior position above all other religions in America. For that reason, the majority of Americans will never elect Rick Santorum as President.
Posted by: dan | February 21, 2012, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
I’m confused. Is Satan a mysogynist or is God or is Jesus? Who’s running for president of the US? A Mormon? A Catholic? A Baptist? A Liberterian? We only care when they drag their religious beliefs into the presidency, Congress, and the judicial system.
Posted by: Jovina | February 21, 2012, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
“John Stewart was right.”
POSTED BY: YELLOW DOG
“Uh…Jon Stewart, your big “authority”, also basically said that Obama is condescending and patronizing and scornful of Americans. Get honest. The rest of your post is just a silly rant and vent of little import or substance.”
POSTED BY: What He Said
LOL. They only like the part of the story that fits with the teleprompted agenda.
Posted by: michael j | February 21, 2012, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
Its a sad day when your denied communion because you think somethings right
Posted by: Todd | February 21, 2012, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
I think the most scariest thing is Media Matters getting orders and funding by Obama and the White house to hire private investigators spying on certain named people by hiring private investigators all while they are claiming tax exempt status in an attempt to destroy them. This administration is evil with the devil in them. It is no wonder that even congress has a higher approval rating than the media. No mention of this illegal and corrupt activity by Obama here on ABC though. Why is that?
Posted by: Tammy | February 21, 2012, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
LOGICSGOOD5 “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” — George Washington
You should verify sources before quoting someone… this is a BS quote with no record of Washington ever saying this. Only religious propaganda sites claim this to be a real quote from him.
Posted by: dangle_66 | February 21, 2012, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
“LOL! It seems that truth to some liberals is like a crucifix to vampires. hehehehehe…”
POSTED BY: “L” is the First Letter…”
Same as it ever was. It’s been that way a very long time now. But still funny.
Posted by: jeremy | February 21, 2012, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
“I’m going to SO love it when the FCC / State Police pull up to this guy’s ( well his mom’s anyway ) trailer . ; )”
POSTED BY: INTERNET_POLICE
What are you talking about? Obama will have a proper trial and then be sentenced if convicted.
Posted by: What the? | February 21, 2012, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
As an ordained minister I’m always concerned when I read these boards. First off Santorum is entitled to his religious views. What he’s not entitled to do is try and impose those views on all of us as government policy. Like it or not abortion is legal in the united states as is birth control. I always counsel people to abstain til marriage. If they don’t and there is a pregnancy they should consider adoption as opposed to an abortion. I also don’t see the issue of having insurance companies cover contraception as a violation of first amendment rights. If it was required that people use contraception that would violate that. A note to the person that said it was the Christians that freed the slaves, that’s not entirely true. It was Abraham Lincoln that freed the slaves. There were just as many Christians in the south as there were in the north. I think people on these boards need to become more tolerant of each others views and begin a dialogue that furthers us as a people. The name calling on both sides here is clearly not what my Lord Jesus wants.
Posted by: Steve | February 21, 2012, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
Geez …
These days it’s so embarrassing to be a Christian when you have these fruitcakes claiming their “Christian” superiority while tromping all over everything that Jesus actually stood for!
I’m going to take the liberty of repeating Locke’s post (4:48pm) “No one has ever accused Satan of being an idiot. That being given, who would he likely come as? I’d bet he’d be an unassailably righteous “man of faith.” (Hope you don’t mind, Locke. Wise words bear repeating.)
Posted by: Joyce | February 21, 2012, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
“In the interest of full disclosure, I might add that I was “ordained” via an online religious institution with an impeccable record of not refunding the money to those who request it, after the two hour-long classes are finished.”
POSTED BY: STEVE
LOL. Ka-Ching.
Posted by: kaching | February 21, 2012, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
To the person posing as me, that is not my full disclosure. It was an imposter. I am a Presbyterian and I have no idea of the organization you’re referring to or the two hour classes.
Posted by: Steve | February 21, 2012, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
Well Franklin.. Mr. Multi-Millionaire Christian(?) Yuo cannot be a Christian and be a Multi-millionaire.. Doesn’t work..!!!! Never Has!! Never Will..!! That doesn’t say you can not somehow make millions of dollars per year BUT if Your a Christian you would NEVER accumulate that much money..
Like a very few others who are REAL Christians and have HUGE Incomes They Tithe Give Away 90% and live on 10%.. DL Moody comes to Mind Rick Warren does as well… You Live on what you need to live and NOT Live The Life style as YOU Your Farther and Your Family do .. There are a 100 Phony Christians for every Real One!!
TAMMY!!! Turn Off Faux TV your showing your ignorance!!
Posted by: RichardW | February 21, 2012, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
“Yuo cannot be a Christian and be a Multi-millionaire.”
POSTED BY: RICHARDW
Then Obama cannot be a Christian. He’s “a multi-millionaire.” Next….
Posted by: captain obvious | February 21, 2012, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
“Yuo cannot be a Christian and be a Multi-millionaire.”
POSTED BY: RICHARDW
Then Obama cannot be a Christian. He’s “a multi-millionaire.” Next….
POSTED BY: CAPTAIN OBVIOUS
Yes. Logic and consistency are not dim dems best gigs.
Posted by: beaten again | February 21, 2012, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Funny how Satan comes in as the cause of all of the problems in our country. Not that policies have sold us down the road and sold the soul of the country to debt and other countries, who have a receipt for land, buildings, resources.
Posted by: mom | February 21, 2012, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Hey RICHARDW, do you perhaps realize that Obama is also a multi-millionaire? Hence, not a Christian? Yes, even though he’s never had a real job his entire life, he has managed to exclude himself from being a real Christian, (by YOUR own definition), by parasitically acquiring all of that wealth.
Posted by: jack's Surprise | February 21, 2012, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Hey RICHARDW, do you perhaps realize that Obama is also a multi-millionaire? Hence, not a Christian? Yes, even though he’s never had a real job his entire life, he has managed to exclude himself from being a real Christian, (by YOUR own definition), by parasitically acquiring all of that wealth. ”
POSTED BY: JACK’S SURPRISE
Just another yuk and laugh at the total lack of any sense on the left.
Posted by: gypsy | February 21, 2012, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
Obama practices a kind of Secular Chameleon-ism. His claimed belief system changes to suit his immediate political needs.
Posted by: Any_One_But_Oblamer | February 21, 2012, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
We are closing schools, laying people off. Families are being foreclosed on and being put out in the streets. And all Santorum, running for President can talk about is who is Gay. Yes it is a good way to raise money. But I think the Republicans have a “gay agenda”, more than the gay community has. They have nothing to say, so they go for the gay! It will be a dark day for ALL of us if this man wins. It is not just a Gay thing; Santorum has frequently stated that he does not believe a “right to privacy” exists under the Constitution, even within marriage. The Republicans running for President also talk about “their” faith. But if you are of that faith, you may be a danger to the country.
Posted by: cb | February 21, 2012, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
Matthew 22:21 KJV
They say unto him, Cæsar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Cæsar the things which are Cæsar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
Church and state is meant to be separate.
Posted by: Me9976 | February 21, 2012, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Looks like about a 50-50 split on these boards this evening. About the way it always goes when trying to argue religion. Give it up. Nobody changed anyone’s mind. Nobody won. Nobody lost. ABC will have at least 3 more postings on Santorum tomorrow so everybody get a good night’s rest before the frothing starts again. Good grief. ABC, anything else happening in the world such as gas prices, Iran, etc? You’re causing the Lefties to hyper ventilate.
Posted by: choppy seas | February 21, 2012, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
I am not a church affiliated Christian . There, I said it. Bring on the pitchforks. Me and millions of other Americans are ready to fight for our right to our individual religious beliefs and/or our right not to have any religious beliefs whatsoever. As long as we live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, we can do that! Because the Constitution of the United States of America says we can.
Posted by: dan | February 21, 2012, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
John Stewart was right.”
POSTED BY: YELLOW DOG
Uh…Jon Stewart, your big “authority”, also basically said that Obama is condescending and patronizing and scornful of Americans. Get honest. The rest of your post is just a silly rant and vent of little or no substance.
POSTED BY:FRANKBLOURTANGO
No substance? Just no words you choose to hear. That’s the problem with you and your fellow Christian conservatives. Nothing that opposes your view holds any substance for you to consider. You live in a VACUUM. I exist, I am an American and thank goodness, I can VOTE. You can pretend I don’t matter, go ahead……………………………… (I’m still here!)
Posted by: Yellow Dog | February 21, 2012, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
Oh my gosh… we’re really going to have a holy war right here in America? —-this is EXACTLY why, although I am conservative by nature, I LOVE LIBERALS!!!! ! I do. They are our core. They are our sanity check, our reason why do NOT nuke other nations, hang black men for existing, allow women the right to vote and work….were it for the crazy nut job religious freaks who KNOWS where this country would be!!! seriously. LIberals are the guardians of our freedoms, our rights, our balance, our “no freakn way are you legislating religion!” Thank GOD for liberals!!! Although I hate welfare, can’t stand handouts and all that, I love that we have liberals in this country who DO NOT STAND for this crazy nut job religious freaks and their neanderthal Scarlet Letter-wanna-be way of thinking. We would be as crazy as the muslims if we didn’t have our liberals.
Posted by: Johnny boy | February 21, 2012, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
The Catholic Church and Rick Santorum are the ones trying to force their non-member employees to not have this benefit.Mr.Obama has all ready said employees of the same faith as the church or not can opt out.The Grahams have been a disappointment for a long time.Hearing for myself the number of lies Santorum has been spouting,all I wonder is,how could a thinking person believe this nonsense.
Posted by: j buchanan | February 21, 2012, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Just remember – any country that can elect a Christian and let Christianity take control can later elect any other faith and let that faith take control. Any legislative body that has the right to forbid abortion is no different than the Chinese government that can require it. Still complete control. Seriously – once you let a government based on a religious faith into your personal lives, you have given up your personal lives.—absolutley. Well said. VERY well said, and…..so you know…now that we can allow super pacs to govern elections and our politicians are beholden to whomever pays the most for thier election, dont forget that arabs have ALOT of money and they are hard workers, and in profressions that make alot of money, doctors, engineers, there are many many many arabs. You want, a few years from now, all the richest in this country tobe arabs???? to buy our elections, to put in place their leaders and to establish a precedence where religious belief of policians is game for legislating that religion?????????? this is EXACTLY why our founders, Adams, Jefferson, Paine and Washington specifically, in their speeches, in their personal writings nad letters, said this is a nation of LAWS!!!!!!!! Not sovereign kinds, NOT religious leaders in politics. It is a nation of LAWS. you are free TO WORSHIP and you are free NOT TO!!!!!!!! You dont believe in abortion. Fine. nobody is forcing you. BUT you CANNOT FORCE someone NOT to get an abortion based on your religion. You can’t force someone not to divorce, even though Christ specifically said divorce was wrong, something Christ never said about abortion!
Posted by: Granny Nos Best | February 21, 2012, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
If the people of America dont pull together and get this nut case out of the white house …we will all live to regret it.—yeah, the economy recovering is really a terrible thing huh? Let’s go back to 700,000 folks losing their jobs per month. Yeah. The good old days of plummeting stock markets and major bank failure……..
Posted by: Not UR Average Joe | February 21, 2012, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
The Catholic Church and Rick Santorum are the ones trying to force their non-member employees to not have this benefit—-if any organization wants to enter the business sector, they are no longer a place of worship anymore, are they????? they are business and they must conform to the laws that govern businesses. You don’t get to crap on one group or another and claim your discrimination is your religious freedom! So some business can declare the men can be beaten and raped and since that their particular religious view, and they own that business, then any actions they claim is their religious view they can do????? no. When you run a business, you conform to business law. Period. dont like it? Get out of the business. We are a nation of LAWS!
Posted by: Johnny boy | February 21, 2012, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
It’s too bad there are people like Santorum because people like him turn me off to religion, God, Jesus all together, which is really too bad. Before the religious freaks of the bush years was made aware to me, I had a strong faith in God and considered myself a Christian. now, I hear the word “Christian” and instantly I think “freak” and I just cringe. Sometimes I have to consciously distance myself from these freaks in order to keep my faith at all. I really wish people like him would shut their face when it comes to their religious beliefs, if you have values, just live by them, and shut up already. You seriously give the name Christianity and all Christians, something to be deeply ashamed of.
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 21, 2012, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Santorum has said that while he personally opposes contraception —— women hater. Period. Married couples have sex. Sort of a key ingredient in a happy marriage. So you believe that a women should not be allowed the say in whether or not she gets pregnant. wow. I mean…wow. I’ve had three kids. The pain, the absolute enormity that is pregnancy, and he dares says that women should be forced to do this against their will, because obviously he would also believe women must ‘not deny’ their husbands sex either, right???? wow, just, wow. NO WAY this women hater misogynist should be allowed anywhere near the white house, in fact, I think he should have a watermelon shoved up his ……every 2 years to simulate birth while someone reminds him of his opinion on contraception. Wow.
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 21, 2012, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
“We are a nation of LAWS” — posted by JOHNNY BOY.
And once the Supreme Court slaps down our would-be dictator’s edicts, maybe we’ll return to a Constitutionally-based system of laws.
Posted by: Logicsgood5 | February 21, 2012, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
I’m not sure Santorum and Graham are Christians. Unless you can see into a person’s soul, how would you know? To quote Mr Butler: “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn”
I want to know about their political views and what they plan to do TO our country. I don’t expect any of them, Democrat or Republican to do anything FOR our country. I want to know how they are going to screw it up even more.
Posted by: oonogil7 | February 21, 2012, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
Marsha Marsha – Maybe it would help you in your faith to know that Christ never said “Follow Rick Santorum” or “Follow him” or “Follow her”. He never said anything like that. He said “Follow Me”.
BTW, can you give me the name of any bill which Santorum authored or supported which would have banned women from obtaining contraception? (Reading your posts, it sounds like there are several.) Thanks.
Posted by: Logicsgood5 | February 21, 2012, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
Rock on Rick. Constitution grants you and everyone else the right to freedom of religion. And Roe Vs. Wade says unbalanced libs can gleefully whack their unborn children. Whats all the drama about????
Posted by: coggs | February 21, 2012, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
Ah yes, religion the organized insanity.
Posted by: john locke | February 21, 2012, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
BTW, can you give me the name of any bill which Santorum authored or supported which would have banned women from obtaining contraception? —he says quite plainly he doesn’t believe in it. That is a sick sick sick dude who would not ‘believe’ in contraception. That is essentially saying that you believe women should be forced to get pregnant and have babies, and of course, raise them and be perfect mothers to huge lots of children, against your will. There is no way around that one, deary. Surely abstaining from sex with your husband would not be ‘christian’ either, would it????? goes against that “obey” your husband thing, wouldn’t it??? Then he says he doesn’t believe in the separation of church and state……get it???? So, basically, put me in power and then I can REALLY do what I want!!! Women hater. Absolute women hater. He needs a few watermelon shoved up his whatsywhosit every few years, because you know, that’s my new religion. My new religious belief is that all men who think women should be subservient baby makers must be implanted with watermelons, so,dont get in the way of exercising my religion of making you ‘carry’ this watermelon in your privates for 9 months
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 21, 2012, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
Rock on Rick. Constitution grants you and everyone else the right to freedom of religion. And Roe Vs. Wade says unbalanced libs can gleefully whack their unborn children. ———- they’re not children yet, are they? They’re not developed to a point where they can even live outside the women, so you can hardly call them, unborn, because birth does not finish them. My God, for first trimester, they’re smaller than a grain of rice!!!! They’re not children until they ARE children. period. Not a hard concept to grasp.
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 21, 2012, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
Sanatorium has a right to his beliefs as long as he doesn’t try to make them law, but he can’t be trusted not to do so.
Posted by: john locke | February 21, 2012, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Rock on Rick. Constitution grants you and everyone else the right to freedom of religion.—my religion says that ending a pregnancy in the early stages is just fine. So dont get in the way of me exercising my religious freedom if I want to. I have never gotton an abortion, and I’ve had three kids, so I know quite a bit more about pregnancy and the enormity than the men, and it’s always men, who are so anti choice, but I see no problem with it other than injuring the women which is again, her choice. Her body, her choice what to do, or not to do with it. The day the government has control over what goes on inside a person, the day the government forces women to maintain pregnancies and give birth against their will, we better be prepares to admit we are no longer a free country and we are no better than china or Iran.
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 21, 2012, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
And once the Supreme Court –oh, the same Kangroo court that said corporations are people!!! who gave super pacs the ability to buy our elections! The thanks-for-delegitimizing-our-entire-judicial-system-with-clowns-like-roberts-and-alito-george-bush-your-damage-to-this-country-will-never-die court????????
Posted by: Johnny boy | February 21, 2012, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Marsha, if we ever outlaw abortion, it would be a states’ thing I would think and that would simply means a massive brain-drain of all the smart women OUT of the red states and into the blue states. you wont have a single smart women living in a red state. We’ll be a two-tiered society, with the red states being third world countries and the blue states having all the educated smart women and money.
Posted by: Johnny boy | February 21, 2012, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
There’s no need to fret. Santorum is a guaranteeing for Obama for the white house for another term. I would rather have Romney, I think, but I have zero worries a radical theological women-hater, I do agree, he is a women-hater, would ever make it to the white house. in fact, I’m not the least bit worried. This is the republican PRIMARY base. The extreme fringe who vote in primaries. the majority of the country, by far, are moderates. Rick Santorum winning the nomination is equivalent to Obama winning the white house again. Apparently they weren’t paying attention to the Palin-problem last time……
Posted by: Not UR Average Joe | February 21, 2012, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Wow…. this is where in this country we are at? I was raised a Catholic.. I was on birth control when I was 16 for a medical condition. I left the church at 29 when I sat in a pew and heard that I had to tighe 10% of my income to them …when my choice to donate to the poor become a mandate- I bailed.
Posted by: Patti | February 21, 2012, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
Republicans like Santorum are more corrupt and more against women’s rights and women’s rights to what they do with their bodies. Now Santorum is attacking birth control, prenatal care and the right wing extremists have the bigoted Franklin Graham showing how prejudice he is and how hateful his behavior toward our Christian President Obama is. Santorum is more corrupt and more evil with his attacks against caring about the environment, protecting our water, air and the land from pollution by corporate billionaires who buy these republicans for their own use.
Posted by: Vicki | February 22, 2012, 12:22 am 12:22 am
Women are the caretakers of our future generations. When you attack women, when you deny them medical care, when you deny them control over their own health and let’s be perfectly plain, pregnancy is bad for your health!!!!! Just get pregnant once to know your body is NEVER the same again, and not in a good way! Women died from childbirth routinely not 100 years ago, and in this country, today, one women dies every day from pregnancy. To not give women such a basic control of their own personal health as to be able to say yes I will enter into those LONG nine months of pregnancy and take along with it, all the risks and decay, or no, I can’t, I have too many comitments with the children I already have, my need to be the breadwinner, etc… is just…..hateful. Evil. Santorum and all these women haters are pure evil.
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 22, 2012, 12:28 am 12:28 am
obviously marsha you missed biology class.
Posted by: Coggs | February 22, 2012, 12:29 am 12:29 am
Religion is about control and power over humanity by religious leaders, end of story.
Posted by: dan | February 22, 2012, 12:32 am 12:32 am
red states? Blue state? Nah. just a buncha nuts and journalistas playing cowboys and indians off of a flawed political model. When it comes down to it America hasn’t been such a great place to be the last eight years. Gas will be 5$ followed by actual inflation in a couple months. And we have kooks crying foul over someones Constitutionally mandated rights with paranoid conspiracies.Too much
Posted by: coggs | February 22, 2012, 12:36 am 12:36 am
And atheism is about rambling insane conspiracies on a message board oh and the extermination of about 100 million people in the last century alone.. Uproarius
Posted by: coggs | February 22, 2012, 12:39 am 12:39 am
Carole – in your extended post, you seemed to imply a question about personal faith and being a Christian – the bible is pretty clear on who is and isn’t a Christian. Look it up, it’s pretty simple (I didn’t say it was easy though ).
Posted by: Rich | February 22, 2012, 12:44 am 12:44 am
And atheism is about rambling insane conspiracies on a message board oh and the extermination of about 100 million people in the last century alone..—no actually, Christianity is responsible for exterminating a whole lot of people It all started wit the premise that only Christians should hold office, remember? Hitler. Then….well, only Christians can own businesses…then, well, let’s round up all those non-Christians and soon it was only Christians who had the right to live, and the rest were killed. Jews were killed for not being Christian. Let’s be perfectly plainly clear on that, my friend!
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 22, 2012, 12:55 am 12:55 am
missed biology class.–my lessons on embryonic development are far more sophisticated than high school biology class. I have made, inside my body, three humans. I have also had one miscarriage. how many humans have you made???? I know all about developing humans, thank you very much, as I also know about the risk factors of pregnancy, what is does to a body, how it can be fetal, oh yes, so can child birth, it can kill you and it does kill women every day. Methinks the clueless one is you.
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 22, 2012, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Evangelical Christians = women haters much like the Taliban. You read what the Taliban thinks of women, you read what these extreme Christians think of women …one and the same. The only thing that keeps the right wing from stoning women to death when they have sex outside marriage is the liberals who care about women and value them as human beings even if they do have sex….imagine that. Thinking a women, a little measly women has value even IF she has sex outside marriage. That concept is completely foreign to these right wingers. They HATE women. Santorum says birth control is wrong!!!!! so basically once you get married, you must provide sex to your husband and then just grit your teeth while you give birth to baby after baby after baby until you die like in the 1700s. wow. Who would ever think for a minute, such a hateful man should ever be in a position of power??????? No one who values women, that’s for sure.
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 22, 2012, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Hitler killing only non-christians? EVIDENTLY marsha missed HSITORY CLass as well. Care to explain those thousands of Catholic priests murdered at Dachau or das fuheres many quotes disparaging Christianity? Thanks for making this easy Marsh….
Posted by: coggs | February 22, 2012, 1:03 am 1:03 am
I’ve decided that I’m just going to flip a coin to figure out which one of the GOP presidential candidates is the nuttiest.
Posted by: Tom | February 22, 2012, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Ah see since I’ve never been pregnant like you we can just toss all that silly science stuff to the side? wacky…Risk factors? How about an abortion having a100% chance of exterminating an unborn female or male in the womb.. Nice argument..not
Posted by: coggs | February 22, 2012, 1:07 am 1:07 am
Gas will be 5$ followed by actual inflation in a couple months—-every one, everyone, absolutely everyone with a braincell in their head knew that as we pull out of the recession, gas prices were going to sky rocket. Period. EVERYONE knew that. No matter who was president. So……..way back when President Obama held the carrot of the bailout loan for the car companies on the preimse that they create a range of car to meet the new demands of much higher gas standards that will be in demand when the recession started to lift…he was actually being…….savvy…wasn’t he????? why do you think US car makers are now #1 in the world??????? why????? foresight. Good deals and a good insight into what would be in demand when this recession started to turn around, and, so sorry to dissapoint you, but it has…… China is booming and it’s wants oil and gas and is willing to pay for it. You dont like the gas prices???? then walk. because NO president has any control over supplyl and demand and how much demand the Chinese are bringing to bear on the market. Maybe we should start investing a little more strongly in electric cars and an electrical grid based on wind farms and solar because there is no more cheap gas or oil to be found!!!!
Posted by: Not UR Average Joe | February 22, 2012, 1:08 am 1:08 am
Hitler killing only non-christians? EVIDENTLY marsha missed HISTORY CLass as well. Care to explain those thousands of Catholic priests murdered at Dachau or das fuhrers many quotes disparaging Christianity? Thanks for making this easy Marsh….
Posted by: coggs | February 22, 2012, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Hitler killing only non-christians? — I never said he killed ONLY jews, did I???? He killed gypsies, he killed anyone who went against him, he killed whomever tried to help or give aid to the Jews. he killed whomever he deemed his enemy, but JEWS were Killed SPECIFICALLY for NOT BEING CHRISTIAN!!!!! period. YOU need to learn up on MANY topic, my friend.
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 22, 2012, 1:09 am 1:09 am
And I’ve decided I don’t need a coin to know that obama is the worst president within my lifetime.
Posted by: Vince | February 22, 2012, 1:11 am 1:11 am
In transcripts of meetings of Hitler’s architechs of the gassing of jews it is quoted, without dispute, that the jews “Reject the Christ” as a reason for their extermination and their ‘need’ for the solution they were formulating. fact.
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 22, 2012, 1:12 am 1:12 am
did you know one of the defintions of a cog is a cheater? A swindler? Just saying……
nighty night. dont bother posting to me any longer. I know a fruit loop when I hear one….
Posted by: Marsha Marsha | February 22, 2012, 1:14 am 1:14 am
Uh no marsha according to hitlers kooky ideology jews were not of pure aryan/germanic blood. You could research this and know you are wrong but that would take time and/or concentration .. :-D
Posted by: Coggs | February 22, 2012, 1:15 am 1:15 am
did you know one of the defintions of a cog is a cheater? A swindler? Just saying……
nighty night. dont bother posting to me any longer. I know a fruit loop when I hear one….
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A) you started with me. B) You can hear me type? Amusing.
Posted by: coggs | February 22, 2012, 1:21 am 1:21 am
Seems Hilter had many reasons to kill Jews starting with seizing their wealth in a time when many Germans were very poor. Wealthy Jews were an easy political target. The fact that Hitler could also use religious reasons”Jews as Christ Killers” to help gain common Protestant & Catholic Church support furthered his cause. Later, Jews were demonized as a “flawed race” whose DNA needed permanent extraction from the “perfect” race. Many Christians were indeed killed as well (like Bonhoffer) that didn’t join in the Reich’s dogma.
Posted by: rich | February 22, 2012, 1:24 am 1:24 am
hitlers kooky ideology jews were not of pure aryan/germanic blood.———– Hitler and his henchmen killed the Jews for being Christ killers. that quote is used many many times in Nazi propaganda. Marsha is correct on that one. Denying it is akin to saying the confederate flag represents states right and the civil war wasn’t about slavery. I mean, certain people of certain IQ levels may squawk all they want and deny the existence of oxygen on earth, but the majority of humanity simply chuckles at their pathetic attempts. Jews were killed for not being Christian. No other non-arian race was rounded up and killed, there was no ‘solution’ to rounding up Italians and gassing them. Why let the French live? They’re not Arian. Rubbish. Jews were killed for not being christian. give it up on this one. good night.
Posted by: Not UR Average Joe | February 22, 2012, 1:27 am 1:27 am
“The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew.” Hitler 11th-12th July, 1941
“”As soon as the idea was introduced that all men were equal before God, that world was bound to collapse.” 26th February, 1942
Have a nice life marsha
Posted by: coggs | February 22, 2012, 1:28 am 1:28 am
“The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society.” – 19th October, 1941 Hitler
Posted by: coggs | February 22, 2012, 1:30 am 1:30 am
Later, Jews were demonized as a “flawed race” whose DNA needed permanent extraction from the “perfect” race. Many Christians were indeed killed as well (like Bonhoffer) that didn’t join in the Reich’s dogma.—-other people were killed for other reason, but only one group was killed specifically, for their religion, or rather, for thier lack of religion, and that was Jews. they weren’t christians. There were other non perfect races allowed to live, but they were Christians. Over and over there is documented proof, speeches, writing, pamphlets, propaganda movies, that proclaim Jews as Christ Killers and for ‘rejecting the Christ” which is disturbing in how similar it sounds to right wingers say they would only elect a christian to office. So…only Christians should be allowed in government…..the slope gets very slippery when you start with a premise such as this, and the historical precedence of such a statement goes straight back to prewar Germany. good night.
Posted by: Not UR Average Joe | February 22, 2012, 1:30 am 1:30 am
coggs, your quote is garbage. Hitler was Christian, his henchmen were profoundly christians and his propaganda minster, on his approval, pushed the “Christ Killers” and “they reject the Christ” agenda on the public as justification that jews were not worthy to …..hold office… then own businesses…then own property…. then…live. good night.
Posted by: Not UR Average Joe | February 22, 2012, 1:35 am 1:35 am
Yeah sure joeyboy give up? When the facts prove me right.. LOL
“The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which is one of the essential reasons for their success, is due to their having been saved in time from the views of Christianity. Just as in Islam, there is no terrorism in the Japanese State religion, but, on the contrary, a promise of happiness. This terrorism in religion is , to put it briefly, of a Jewish dogma, which Christianity has universalized and whose effect is to sow trouble and confusion in men’s minds.”april 4 1942 – hitler
Posted by: coggs | February 22, 2012, 1:37 am 1:37 am
well Joe, no the quotes arent garbage. My apologies that you can’t deal with that historical reality thing. Evidently das fuhrer looked at Christians with as much as contempt as your average obama supporter.
This one from Albert speers inside the 3rd reich:
“You see, its been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” hitler
Posted by: coggs | February 22, 2012, 1:45 am 1:45 am
The President doesn’t need to be a Christian but the President took an oath to defend the Constitution not govern by fiat… This is actually the Fourth case of Religious assault by this administration within the last six months. 1st, American Legion vs Houston VA, 2nd. Lutheran vs EEOC with the Supremes ruling 9-0, 3rd HHS mandate, 4th Atheist groups pressing Obama on hiring by ministries.
Never in the history of our Republic has there been such an assault on peoples of faith. This is more like Germany 1933.
Posted by: Hooter | February 22, 2012, 1:48 am 1:48 am
the “reason” and the “excuse” are not the same thing. Hitler used religion and national pride as the “excuse”, and combined hated, and envy to harness power and control “the reason”. Unfortunately this is a common human trait, fortunately not many have the skill and historical timing to execute.
Posted by: rich | February 22, 2012, 1:49 am 1:49 am
Hooter – yes, very troubling.
Posted by: rich | February 22, 2012, 1:58 am 1:58 am
This moron really scares me. Anyone that beats the god drum needs to have there head examined. Putting faith in an imaginary friend is something that should be out grown around 7. That’s when I realized that Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, and God where just made up to scare or control the masses. People are just scared little rabbits that can’t answer the question what happens when you die. Well I will tell you.Nothing you just die. There is no heaven, no hell, you just disappear people just need to accept that. I know that it can be a frighting thought. But it’s one you have to accept. The sooner you do that. The happier you will be.
Posted by: athiests are smarter | February 22, 2012, 2:36 am 2:36 am
I hope that this argument finally turns to face the subject that many people want to avoid–that the Catholic church is wanting to continue to prevent people from using contraception. By framing the argument as a matter of separation of church and state, the actual, foolish, vile belief that contraception is evil gets ignored. It shouldn’t be ignored. If a church were to argue that it doesn’t have to provide medical insurance because it didn’t believe in medicine, it would be forced to do what rational people know is right: provide medical care. By the same logic, the Catholic church should not be exempt from providing insurance that covers contraception. The foolish belief is a sign of ignorance and willful neglect of what is best for the parishioners. Just because they want to cling to this belief does not mean that they should be allowed to. The belief is harmful. Make them follow the law. Otherwise, any church can claim exemption from federal law based on a religious belief.
Posted by: Jake Johnson | February 22, 2012, 3:28 am 3:28 am
“This moron really scares me.”
POSTED BY: ATHIESTS ARE DIMMER THAN DIM
Don’t worry, he will be replaced in about 9 months and have to return to being a crooked community organizer.
Posted by: jared | February 22, 2012, 7:51 am 7:51 am
“Besides our current president believing only in himself and marxism, there is another problem. It is interesting and sad to note that we now have as president a man who never, ever has had a real job at all, not even a minor real job when he was far younger. From anemic academic to crooked community organizer (race-baiting shakedown artist and con man) to mostly absentee senator to failed president. It’s weird and unique, and it is why we are in the mess we’re in.”
POSTED BY: WHY WE ARE HERE
Absolutely.
Posted by: marsha marsha | February 22, 2012, 7:55 am 7:55 am
“People are just scared little rabbits that can’t answer the question what happens when you die. Well I will tell you.Nothing you just die. There is no heaven, no hell, you just disappear people just need to accept that.” – athiests are smarter
Yes that is true for the folks wandering through life who have no soul.
It is false for the folks who have a soul, who continue on after death.
Atheists who don’t know how to spell or don’t possess a soul will never understand.
Posted by: Noz | February 22, 2012, 7:55 am 7:55 am
Absolutely…
“Besides our current president believing only in himself and marxism, there is another problem. It is interesting and sad to note that we now have as president a man who never, ever has had a real job at all, not even a minor real job when he was far younger. From anemic academic to crooked community organizer (race-baiting shakedown artist and con man) to mostly absentee senator to failed president. It’s weird and unique, and it is why we are in the mess we’re in.”
POSTED BY: WHY WE ARE HERE
Posted by: marsha marsha | February 22, 2012, 7:56 am 7:56 am
“John Stewart was right.”
POSTED BY: YELLOW DOG
Uh…Jon Stewart, your big “authority”, also basically said that Obama is condescending and patronizing and scornful of Americans. Get honest. The rest of your post is just a silly rant and vent of little or no substance.
POSTED BY:FRANKBLOURTANGO
No substance? Just no words you choose to hear…
POSTED BY: YELLOW DOG
Obviously YELLOW DOG doesn’t know his head from a basketball, and hates to get caught in silly bs so blatantly. Funny.
Posted by: randy z | February 22, 2012, 8:11 am 8:11 am
Who cares what Franklin Graham thinks. He has already deystroyed the once honored Graham name. I’ll bet his father doesn’t even know what his son is spewing due to the elder Graham’s ill health.
Well, Franklin G. said he was a sinner and sinner he still is for spewing his lies about Pres. O.
He didn’t even get his research correct about Obama’s grandfather. What a lowerling putz he turned out to be! His father and his whole family should be ashamed of him!
Posted by: Franklin the Lowerling | February 22, 2012, 11:00 am 11:00 am
One thing is certain. If God or should I say the Great “I AM that I AM” would say that Congress, Senate and the White House had to go back to adhering to the united states of America Constitution within seven days or all the members of the White House, Congress and Senate would have burning skin what would the above readers and commentators say to that. Also, since you and America have a treaty with God and the same Great “I AM that I AM” on your coins which is imprinted with “IN GOD WE TRUST” and treaties take the highest presendence in law thus if the above is not obeyed then indeed Congress, Senate and the White House members will come down with hot skin in just over seven days time. So Congress and the Senate better get on their desks and start writing a bill to reduce the pain from the skin problems.
Posted by: Keithlj | February 22, 2012, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Why is Sen Santorum getting so much grief over his Devil comments. If you are a Christian, you believe the bible is the inspired word of God. If you believe in Jesus, you have to believe in the devil. If it were not for the Devil introducing sin into this world, there would have been no need for redemption through Jesus Christ. Rick Santorum’s beliefs are in line with Christian teachings, no matter what denomination you are a part of. It surprises me that Gov. Romney’s beliefs have not come into question. The book of Mormon is based on extra biblical writings which do not line-up with teachings of the Christian faith. The book of Mormon, as stated By Joseph Smith, was given to him at night by an angel named Moroni, who revealed the location of a buried book of golden plates as well as other artifacts, including a breastplate and a set of silver spectacles with lenses composed of seer stones, which had been hidden in a hill near his home. No one ever saw these plates but him. The Bible is the most historically documented book in the world.
Posted by: Brian C | February 22, 2012, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
R. Santorum is neurotic, deeply delusional religious nutjob, he probably should go back to school to take basic science classes before he continues to humiliate himself in front of educated communities. This Yahoo for President? Are you kidding me here?! None of these clowns are electable! We don’t get smart, intuitive and caring for their country people running for the job anymore, after the capital hill turned into a charade of corporations-sponsored parrots clamoring over each other for the attentions of masses. If this circus is the best we can lay our hopes for, then forgive me people, but we are doomed!
Posted by: Jeff | February 22, 2012, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Why should anyone care what Franklin Graham thinks?
Posted by: zengardener | February 22, 2012, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
It amazes me how Americans can still believe in a sky fairies, or devils. You realise it’s 2012 and not 1220 right ? … Incredible.
Posted by: Colin | February 23, 2012, 5:10 am 5:10 am
Still nothing has changed: Obama still sucks. And he’ll still be sucking when November barrels into town.
Posted by: sai | February 23, 2012, 7:27 am 7:27 am
“It amazes me how Americans can still believe in a sky fairies, or devils.”
POSTED BY: COLIN
Someone told me that George Bush let a whole bag of pixie dust out into the upper atmosphere, and that caused these naughty deficits, or all of it apart from Solyndra and the Obama’s expensive and perpetual vacations. I tend to believe it. Sure Hope that wise and sincere and truthful Obama can clean it up, and Change everything for the collective better.
Posted by: PIXIE DUST THEORY | February 23, 2012, 7:30 am 7:30 am
PHONY THEOLOGY – The kind of Christianity of the Tea Party; which worships
WEALTH and Dismisses the Poor as Undeserving – Whereas JESUS, like the Buddha or any ENLIGHTENED Being teaches that COMPASSION (for, as Jesus said ‘The LEAST among you’) arising from Respect and Love of GOD and His Creation – is ‘The Whole of the Law and the Prophets’
Posted by: oneSTARman | February 23, 2012, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
someone please hospitalize this disturbed and neurotic person and help him back to sanity, if someone is possessed by the devil at all – he sure fits the role. He is not electable because of irrational fanaticism and severe homophobia. I am so tired of his endless tirades about old testament laws and twisted bible verses. He is if not insane than at least a hypocrite and fear monger. We really don’t need such a nutter to be president, we are in a lot of trouble as it is and he won’t make it any better by imposing Theocracy on the US.
Posted by: Angelica | February 26, 2012, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Franklin Graham thinks that Santorum is a man with faith, but if he is a man of faith then why Santorum tried to cover up Senator John Ensign sex scandal and where were Santorum morals then.
Posted by: Gatekeeper | February 26, 2012, 1:52 am 1:52 am
I love how ever blog blame another party. Grow up people. Stop thinking Republican or democrat and just think what’s best for the USA as a while. We Havering many problem’s to deal with all these clowns…..but teaing some of these comments I’ve come to realize we are a circus that the whole world will have front row seats too. 10 years from now this post will make sense. Education levels Need to arise with a higher understanding of certain obtainable knowledge.
Posted by: Hippocrates | March 16, 2012, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm