Feb 16, 2012 9:56am

Rep. Darrell Issa Bars Minority Witness, a Woman, on Contraception

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A Capitol Hill hearing that was supposed to be about religious freedom and a mandate that health insurers cover contraception in the United States began as an argument about whether Democrats could add a woman to the all-male panel.

“Where are the women?” the minority Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., asked early in the hearing.

She criticized the Republican committee chairman, Rep. Darrel Issa, for wanting to “roll back the fundamental rights of women to a time when the government thought what happens in the bedroom is their business.”

“We will not be forced back to that primitive era,” she said.

Issa bristled at the charge and said Democrats could not add their witness because she was not a member of the clergy, but a student at Georgetown. He also faulted Democrats for not submitting the name of the witness, Sandra Fluke, in time.

Fluke would have talked about a classmate who lost an ovary because of a syndrome that causes ovarian cysts. Georgetown, which is affiliated with the Catholic Church, does not insure birth control, which is also used to treat the syndrome.

Issa said the hearing is meant to be more broadly about religious freedom and not specifically about the contraception mandate in the Health Reform law.

The congressional hearing suggested that the Obama administration went too far with its mandate that all insurers except churches – including non-church religious affiliated organizations – must offer health insurance. It’s titled “Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State.  Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?”

Among the witnesses invited by Issa to attend the hearing was a representative of the Catholic bishops, who oppose the Obama administration “accommodation” on birth-control coverage. Joining them are many other men of other religions. Not invited, complained Democrats, were representatives from the Catholic Health Association, which is run by a woman and actually runs the Catholic hospitals, nor Catholic Charities, both of which said Friday they supported the president’s plan.

Ranking committee member Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., wanted to invite third-year Georgetown Law Center student Sandra Fluke to testify, telling Issa it was important to have at least one woman at the witness table because the issue involved health repercussions for women. Read Fluke’s full testimony here.

Issa’s staff sent a letter to the Democrats, saying, “As the hearing is not about reproductive rights but instead about the administration’s actions as they relate to freedom of religion and conscience, he believes  that Ms. Fluke is not an appropriate witness.”

“It was just crushing to hear the chairman’s reason to not allow my testimony,” Fluke told ABC News. “I can understand that [the issue] is connected to religion, but I don’t understand how you can have an open conversation without hearing from the women who have been personally affected by this.”

Cummings, the ranking Democrat, and Maloney asked Issa to reconsider and let Fluke testify, noting she was in the audience, when the hearing got underway Thursday.

“It was staggering to sit there and feel like this panel of men was going to talk about my health and women like me,” Fluke said. “It felt so very wrong.”

Rep. Cummings accused Issa of creating “conspiracy hearing” and stacking the witness list by refusing to allow women “commits a massive injustice by trying to pretend that the views of millions of women across the country are meaningless.”

A terse back and forth followed between Issa, Maloney and Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton of Washington, D.C., about what the true purpose of the hearing was and whether a violation of rules existed. Issa pointed out that Democrats barred Republican witnesses when they were in the majority. Two women were featured on the second panel, one a female physician.

In what seemed like a move to drive home his point, Issa’s first witness, Roman Catholic Bishop William Lori, used a hypothetical example of the government forcing a Jewish orthodox-owned deli to serve pork, as a comparison to the Health and Human Services’ mandate for religious employers.

The next three witnesses asked why the government was getting involved in the conscience of the American people.

“Religious people determine what violates their conscience, not the federal government,” the Rev. Jonah Paffhausen, Washington archbishop of  the Orthodox Church in America, said.Please get the federal government, Mr. Chairman, out of our consciences.”

Congressman Danny K. Davis asked the witnesses about their position regarding the ability of birth control to offer other preventative care for woman (such as ovarian cancer prevention) offered and endorsed by groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics and American Public Health Association.

Rabbi Meir Soloveichik responded for the group.

“If that was the focus, none of us would be here today,” he said. “We are not here because we seek to hurt preventative care of anybody. We are here today because the administration is showing insensitivity to the liberty of conscience.”

Rep. Gerry Connolly accused the witnesses of “being used for a political agenda” and that the “hearing is a sham.”

“I think it taints the value of this panel that could have been a thoughtful discussion,” he said referring to the fact that the minority was denied their requested additional witnesses. “This is a panel designed to embarrass the president of the United states and his administration.”

All the witnesses defended their presence on the commitment to religious freedom.

Connolly also criticized the use of quotes and images of democratic presidents, such as John F. Kennedy, by Issa to demonstrate the administrations subversion of first amendment rights.

“In an almost Stalinist like fashion have signs of democratic icons,” he said.

The witnesses often emphasized they would not violate their “liberty of conscience.”

“If there is real religious liberty in our country,” Bishop Lori said,  “then churches have the god given right to run their own institutions and own internal affairs according to their teachings. Fluke sat directly behind the bishop as he made the orthodox deli analogy.

“He spent his entire testimony talking about a hypothetical story,” she said. “It was very difficult to hear his testimony about a hypothetical story and  not about the real stories, about the women in my story.”

ABC News’ Alexa Keyes contributed to this report.

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There’s a shock. A Republican man stacking the deck against women and birth control issues with an all-male list of witnesses.

Posted by: Disgusted with gop | February 16, 2012, 10:06 am 10:06 am

Issa’s staff sent a letter to the Democrats, saying, “As the hearing is not about reproductive rights but instead about the administration’s actions as they relate to freedom of religion and conscience, he believes  that Ms. Fluke is not an appropriate witness.”
DISGUSTED WITH THE GOP, you just proved you read but can’t comprehend. You pick out what you would like it to say. Typical liberal.

Posted by: Lizzie | February 16, 2012, 10:49 am 10:49 am

I am OUTRAGED at the backwards thinking of the Republicans. They are living in their own bubble, determined to ignore facts, science and the freedom of individual conscience to determine their own needs.

This issue is not about freedom of religion. There is absolutely no violation involved. Employers must all be held to the same standards and religion is not a free pass to do what ever you want. Polygamy was outlawed despite being a tenet of a religious group, because if violated the laws of the country. This is the same thing – religious groups are trying to block women from BASIC healthcare because of a religious belief. They do not have the authority – legally or morally – to do this.

Actually, this is about religious freedom – the right of every person to make her own healthcare decisions, FREE from religious intervention.

Posted by: ms b | February 16, 2012, 11:06 am 11:06 am

Ay, Dios Mio….

Posted by: Christine | February 16, 2012, 11:19 am 11:19 am

Lizzie.. Right why would women be invited they no nothing of freedom of religion and conscience. No need to invite a female law student. Only men have knowedge of the law, religion & conscience but keep being condescending to people with a different point of view. Typical whatever you are.

Posted by: WhosVoice | February 16, 2012, 11:24 am 11:24 am

I wonder why the Left and “O” never encourage muslims to use birth control? They should send contraceptives, sex education, and abortionists to the Middle East instead of weapons.

Posted by: yeppers | February 16, 2012, 11:27 am 11:27 am

This is the worst kind of reporting. The objection to the witness had nothing to do with her gender or race, but with the fact she was not a member of the clergy and was not on the witness list. The democrats merely produced her at the last minute to creat the IMPRESSION that the republicans were silencing women. Why is there no integrity in journalism any more?

Posted by: wind_569 | February 16, 2012, 11:37 am 11:37 am

This is NOT a “women’s rights” issue… it is NOT a “contraception issue”… Bottom line…. It is an attempt by Democrats to SPREAD THE WEALTH!!! —- That is ALL this is… and of course the Dems hope to gain a few votes by taking money from some and giving it to others!!! — That is ALL this is!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | February 16, 2012, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Lizzie 10:49 am… ms b 11:06 am —— You two are just TOO funny!! —- You read a headline, assume lies are truths, draw your own conclusions… and totally miss the point!! —– Where are women being abused here.. or in the GOP complaint to this typical big-gov push by Democrats??? —- Did you ever ask yourself…. if Sebilious (an appointed person) has so much power to alter the lives of Americans… what will you do when another appointed individual starts really messing with the things YOU care about?? — Obamacare is an Abomination!!!!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | February 16, 2012, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Lizzie, reading comprehension once again eludes you: “Among the witnesses invited by Issa to attend the hearing was a representative of the Catholic bishops, who oppose the Obama administration “accommodation” on birth-control coverage. Joining them are many other MEN of other religions. Not invited, complained Democrats, were representatives from the Catholic Health Association, which is run by a woman and actually runs the Catholic hospitals, nor Catholic Charities, both of which said Friday they supported the president’s plan. Ranking committee member Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., wanted to invite third-year Georgetown Law Center student Sandra Fluke to testify, telling Issa it was important to have at least one woman at the witness table because the issue involved health repercussions for women.” Why didn’t Issa invite ANY women to talk about contraception, freedom of religion, or issues of conscience? Apparently Issa felt that not ONE SINGLE WOMAN IN AMERICA was qualified to speak about these issues. How ANY woman in America today can support the Misogynist GOParty is a mystery. Republicans want women kept barefoot, pregnant, and chained to the stove.

Posted by: A Cynic | February 16, 2012, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

@ A CYNIC: The misogynist GOP Party? Really?? Isn’t it the Democrat Party that totally turned it’s back on Hilary Clinton, an experienced, highly intelligent woman with actual experience in politics and working in the real world over a, for all intents and purposes, junior senator from Chicago who never ran so much as a lemonade stand for president? You know…. the guy that voted “present” on important issues so as to not leave a trail of responsibility and accountability? Pahleeeeeeze!

Posted by: Smurfster | February 16, 2012, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

it seems as media matters is in fuill swing. in the past month the media has become even more pro obama and anti gop than its ever been. i hope it true because i need more money. obama and the media are making it sound like weez rollin the dough. all my banking buddies think other wise…they are calling it a false spring…you know where its abnormally warm..the trees bud and then winter comes back and kills it all. hope not.

Posted by: catman | February 16, 2012, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

The GOP and certain members of religious organisations are trying to frame this as a question of separation of church and state, but the law in question does not force any church to advocate contraception, nor does it make any ruling on one religion over another. All it says is that companies, including religious companies that operate in the secular world, must provide for access of contraceptive drugs, and with the change, even that is not as far as it says the insurance companies must provide them if the organisation has moral objections to such. This is just another hot button issue that the GOP thinks they can use to make a certain section of the population get all fired up about because most people will only listen to the headlines and not really look into the details. I can’t count the number of e-mails i have received from friends and not so friends that are warning me about how the government is taking over religion.

Posted by: Michael | February 16, 2012, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

Male misogyny of this sort has to be rooted out by thinking women who outnumber men in the USA by 4 milllion. Our rights to personhood come from God, not MEN. Women are not the property of either their fathers or their husbands, or their president, for that matter. We have a conscience and it belongs to each of us alone. Bring on your “male headship” bullpucky full force, so we can see it in all of its ugliness in the sunlight. Like the male elders who tried to force Susanna into prostitution and Xerces who tried to make Vashti unveil in public…you will NOT succeed! You will be SHAMED, never to recover.

Posted by: Rosanne Ferreri-Feske | February 16, 2012, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

The GOP has become the Taliban.

1) Can’t have women testify about contraception. Only old, white, religious, men.

2) Can’t have women testify about religious freedom (don’t worry your empty little heads, we know what’s best for you)

3)Can’t have women testify about the law (see # 2)

You gals just go back to the kitchen, we’ll decide what’s best.

Posted by: Normagene | February 16, 2012, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

Obama is using judgement for the year 2525 as the song goes. He is now acting as if he is almighty God and knows what is best for us supposed stupid citizens. Next he will mandate no sex to concieve and you must have your baby selected from a test tube. All free of course.

Posted by: Jim Rod | February 16, 2012, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

MICHAEL it mandates the insurance co. to issue them free and who pays for the premium for the church employees??????? Obamas free money???? no’ you and me and all god fearing Americans

Posted by: Jim Rod | February 16, 2012, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

Obamacare = public option = big gov telling us all what to do!! — Glad you Dems like government to hold your hand… but I’ll pass!!! —- The next GOP POTUS and GOP-controlled Senate and House will repeal this faster than you can say “nanny-state”!!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | February 16, 2012, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

Smurfster | February 16, 2012, 12:43 pm post ——- Oh give me a freakin’ break! You think the Democrats are misogynist because they chose Obama over Clinton in 2008? LOL!!! Clearly you don’t understand what a misogynist is. Look at what the REPUBLICANS in Virginia are doing RIGHT NOW. The Republican legislature passed a bill, and the Republican governor is going to sign it, which REQUIRES a 100% medically UN-necessary vaginal penetration ultra sound be performed on EVERY female in the state who seeks a constitutionally-protected abortion. The Republican MEN in the Virginia legislature are FORCING every woman seeking an abortion to undergo this unnecessary and costly procedure before the state will ALLOW them to have an abortion. A Democrat introduced an amendment to the bill that would at least require written consent from the woman first. The Republicans shot down the amendment. No, the Republicans in this country prove every single day that they consider women to be second class citizens whose opinions and feelings mean absolutely nothing.

Posted by: A Cynic | February 16, 2012, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

That’s funny… you never hear the Republicans complain about “separation of Church and State” when the Christmas Tree or Easter Egg hunt go up on the White House lawn…

Posted by: Rebecca | February 16, 2012, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

ROSANNE ——- You said “Our rights to personhood come from God, not MEN.” —— Exactly…. so lets expand that a bit… ALL RIGHTS come from God… the government does not have the right to supplant them!! — So you should agree with me that government has NO right to tell any business, or any insurance company, that they MUST cover certain products that should remain a private decision by adult men and women!! — Shouldn’t that be the right of women to decide… and have the right to pay for their own products with their own hard-earned money?!?!?

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | February 16, 2012, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Really the Progressives are just trying to set precedent that government can control birth control products…. leading to the big product… getting someone else to pay for your abortion!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | February 16, 2012, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Let’s review… 1) Preventive mandate = higher insurance premiums… 2) Child coverage mandate = higher premiums… 3) Birth control mandate = higher premiums… Hmmmm…. so the people will complain to… (drum roll please)… the “greedy” insurance companies for raising rates!!! —– It seems like Obama can’t wait for “single-payer”… so he is trying to put the insurance companies out of business now!!!!!

Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | February 16, 2012, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Lizzie- The republican party has succeeded in winning over another fool who repeats empty rhetoric without actually understanding what you are saying or hearing. Thank you. You have made it so easy to prove just how moronic the GOP party really is. Nice job.

Posted by: Emily | February 16, 2012, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Jim Rod: The organization still pays the premium except for the contraceptive coverage which gets spread over the rest of the insurance pool and is also offset by the savings from medical conditions that are prevented by contraceptives as well as unwanted births. Additionally, it would reduce the incidents of abortions so you should be happy.Again, it is not mandating that women have to accept the contraceptives, only that if they are needed or wanted, that they be covered.

The Loyal Opposition: Please show me the law called Obamacare. I have looked and I can not find one. I did find the affordable care act, but that doesn’t seem to be the government supplanting the insurance companies for the coverage of the people of the USA. Are you more happy with companies being in control of your health care that you can not even review or having the government regulating the industry so at least a FOIA can be filed to find out what is happening?

Again, this seems to be the usage of heated rhetoric to try to illicit a mindless response rather than any form of discourse.

Posted by: michael | February 16, 2012, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

“Rep. Cummings accused Issa of creating “conspiracy hearing” and stacking the witness list by refusing to allow women”……Do Dem know how to listen? Issa said THE WOMAN could not speak because she was not a member of the clergy. He did not disallow all women.

Posted by: deanbob | February 16, 2012, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

That’s funny… you never hear the Republicans complain about “separation of Church and State” when the Christmas Tree or Easter Egg hunt go up on the White House lawn…

POSTED BY: REBECCA | FEBRUARY 16, 2012, 1:38 PM

Do you even know the part of the constitution being referred to?

Posted by: deanbob | February 16, 2012, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

With the recent comments by the Republican candidates, Sen. McConnell and that disgusting state sanctioned rape bill the Virginia legislature passed. Rep. Darrell Issa denying wittiness at the contraception hearing has confirmed the Republican party has declared war on women in this country and could very well just sunk any hope of any Republican winning the White House.

Posted by: MTATL67 | February 16, 2012, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

GOP – the new American TALIBAN

Posted by: nfbloch | February 16, 2012, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

Obamacare = public option = big gov telling us all what to do!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | February 16, 2012, 1:28 pm.

The Republicans killed the public option, remember? Which makes sense for them, because it is the best mechanism to actually bring down the COST of health care. Which is something they really, truly do not want to do. You idiots on the Right whine about the cost of everything, yet refuse to DO anything that will reduce costs. It is so much easier to block everything than it is to actually write effective policy. Which is why the 112th Congress is so reviled: the Republican-controlled House hasn’t done one damn thing since they took power 13 months ago. Oh, wait, they HAVE debated over a half a dozen different anti-abortion bills. And they DID discuss and vote on reaffirming our national motto. For Republicans, that counts as real accomplishments……..

Posted by: Disgusted with gop | February 16, 2012, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

So what, this article was written by the Obama campaign?

Posted by: Alex | February 16, 2012, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

Have any of you GOP brainiacs ever heard of the Supreme Court dedision Bradfield v Rogers (1899)? Look it up!! The basis of the case concerned the Federal funding of religious institutions. The 1st amendment prevents the Feds. from providing financial support to religious institutions…that is a good thing, right? The Catholic Church argued that their hospitals and universities were NOT religious institutions therefore were able to apply for and be granted financial support from the Feds. Now the Catholic Church and the Republicans are contending that Catholic hospitals and universities ARE religious institutions and as such should not be forced to provide contraception coverage in their businesses. So…which is it? Are they NOT religious institutions thus able to get muney from taxpayers or ARE they religious institutions and should not get taxpayer money? YOU CAN NOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!! Also, were you aware that in 2000 – 2001 the Bush administration and the Republican contrtoled congress made it the law of the land that ANY business who offers their employees insurance coverage which includes a prescription drug plan MUST include contraception free of charge to the employee. Also, 28 states now have the same laws!!!!!!!!!

So you tell me why is this an issue. If we allow religions to operate secular businesses and run them in accordance with their religious beliefs then what happens when the first Muslim owned business wants to do the same thing using Sharia Law….to use a standard Republican arguement…you are creating a slippery slope toward religious wars and giving Sharia Law a foothold on our Constitution. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT????

Posted by: thefirstone | February 16, 2012, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

Is does not matter what we want. The constitution is clear. Has that stopped previous activist SCOTUS decisions from ignoring the constitution and the framers own meaning(s) as those framers expressed in their own words?

Posted by: deanbob | February 16, 2012, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Posted by: A Cynic | February 16, 2012, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm …..Nice job…..I am wondering when the GOP will start to debate when woman have to wear Burkas!!!

Posted by: thefirstone | February 16, 2012, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

“Rep. Cummings accused Issa of creating “conspiracy hearing” and stacking the witness list by refusing to allow women”……Do Dem know how to listen? Issa said THE WOMAN could not speak because she was not a member of the clergy. He did not disallow all women.
Posted by: deanbob | February 16, 2012, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm ……and I suppose that he just could not find one single woman member of the clergy of ANY religion….there are NO female clergy? Really!

Posted by: Thefirstone | February 16, 2012, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

This hearing is a good example of why obama now has a 50 percent favorable rating and congress 10 percent. Ill bet after this circus Obama will go above 50 percent. Thank you Republican for reelect Obama.

Posted by: dylan | February 16, 2012, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

The issue is really quite simple. Are the people they are providing insurance for being provided insurance because they are members of the church? Then the organization is a religion and is entitled to religious freedoms. Are the people they are providing insurance for being provided insurance because they are employees? Then the organization is a business and subject to the same rules as any other business. Where does religious freedom stop and individual liberties begin? Should the CDC design bio-suits with dresses instead of pants to accommodate fundamentalist women who cannot wear pants? I’d love to see the design for the space suit NASA is going to design to meet those requirements. Should the Westboro Baptist Church be allowed to start a corporation and ask “Are you a faggot?” on their application? Should it be okay for the Watchtower Society to start a hospital that will refuse to give an infusion of blood, even if it means the victim will die? Yes, churches have “rights”. But businesses have responsibilities. If a church doesn’t want to be responsible to follow all the rules which apply to a business it’s as simple as getting out of business.

Posted by: Kirby | February 16, 2012, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

“Not invited…were representatives from the Catholic Health Association, which is run by a woman and actually runs the Catholic hospitals…”

This sentence clearly spells out the Republican agenda here. This is the organization MOST affected by this, and the WOMAN in charge of that organization, and the Republicans didn’t feel that her testimony would be of value. In other words, they feared she would speak the truth, and offer a cogent counter-argument to the MEN on the panel. So, they snubbed her. Republicans give the middle finger to women once again…

Posted by: Disgusted with gop | February 16, 2012, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Those of you condemning the GOP or Issa over this as misogenist really have no idea what was going on here do you? You just read the headline and comment. Either that or you are intentionally trying to mislead others in order to get this stupid rule enacted. Incidently, in our work place which is exactly 50% women, NONE of the women support the administration on this issue.

Posted by: wind_569 | February 16, 2012, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

THEFIRSTONE | FEBRUARY 16, 2012, 2:19 PMRep. Cummings accused Issa of creating “conspiracy hearing” and stacking the witness list by refusing to allow women”……Do Dem know how to listen? Issa said THE WOMAN could not speak because she was not a member of the clergy. He did not disallow all women.
Posted by: deanbob | February 16, 2012, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm ……and I suppose that he just could not find one single woman member of the clergy of ANY religion….there are NO female clergy? Really!

Why don’t you tell us the answer?

Posted by: deanbob | February 16, 2012, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

So did Media Matters or the Democrats contact ABC “NEWS” and tell them what questions to ask or how to spin this story??? If they do this and you mindlessly repeat what you are told to say then why do we need you to pretend you actually do “investigative” reporting?? Are you content to be a “news reader” who just reads what others have decided is important ??? Are you the type a journalist who believes their job is to repeat what someone else presents as reality rather than researching the facts and drawing your own conclusion???

Posted by: whathappened08 | February 16, 2012, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

I am looking forward to these conservatives who are “standing for conscious” when it comes to imposing beliefs on others when groups insist on practicing polygamy and sharia law! I wonder what they are going to say then!

Posted by: dabu | February 16, 2012, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

This is NOT a “women’s rights” issue… it is NOT a “contraception issue”… Bottom line…. It is an attempt by Democrats to SPREAD THE WEALTH!!! —- That is ALL this is… and of course the Dems hope to gain a few votes by taking money from some and giving it to others!!! — That is ALL this is!!!
Posted by: TheLoyalOpposition | February 16, 2012, 11:42 am 11:42 am …. Well Loyal I actually thought for a brief moment that you had a brain but I was wrong….”spreading the wealth” really? If you mean spreading the wealth of freedom FROM religion then I totally agree. This is really NOT about contraception although the GOP is adding it to the mix. It is really about the Constitution. We must not allow one particular religion to dictate what the rest of the country believes in or wants. If we allow ONE particular religion (Catholics) to dictate to us then we open the flood gates to other religions trying to do the same thing for themselves….here come the Burkas.

Seriously now…with all jocularity aside….do you really want ONE religion telling the entire country what we should do? I consider myself not a religious man but a spiritual man. I believe that religions have been created by man to control man. Think about it…when you defy a government you defy a human but when you defy a religion you defy “an all might being” how could smite you. Believe what your heart tells you but know that you have no right to force that belief onto an entire country.

Posted by: Thefirstone | February 16, 2012, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

Democrats can’t use the race card to distract from the facts they want to violate the Constitutionally protected religious freedom so now they are using sexism!!! WOW are Democrats/Independents really this gullible???

Posted by: whathappened08 | February 16, 2012, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

Lay off the ‘quota queen’ comments. Not everything in life evenly stacks up by gender, race and ethnicity. Men have just as much a right to an opinion on contraception and religious freedom. Most of what I see in the REAL world is not evenly distributed. Usually people associate with thier own group and you don’t see this phony blended distribution. People are tribal. Get used to it.

Posted by: Perplexed | February 16, 2012, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Why don’t you tell us the answer? Posted by: deanbob | February 16, 2012, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm … The answer to what? My post was more a statement of astonishment then anything else. Did you at any point wonder if they ever even thought that it might present a more representative debate if they included at least ONE woman considering that the focus if the debate concerns woman’s contraception? The Republican may be racist morons but what they are truely good at is politics. I for one can not imagine that they did not consider having a woman on the panal to give the illusion of fairness…I believe they could not find a female clergy who agreed with the GOP. From a pure strategy perspective don’t you think that would have been a smart move on the GOP part? Well?

Posted by: Thefirstone | February 16, 2012, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

are Democrats/Independents really this gullible???

POSTED BY: WHATHAPPENED08 | FEBRUARY 16, 2012, 3:26 PM

Just look at some of the responses for that answer. Or maybe they are the Woodrow Wilson answer squad?

Posted by: deanbob | February 16, 2012, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

Why don’t they just stick a sign to the door saying “No women allowed”.

Posted by: whatever | February 16, 2012, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

WIND_569: “Those of you condemning the GOP or Issa over this as misogenist really have no idea what was going on here do you? You just read the headline and comment. Either that or you are intentionally trying to mislead others in order to get this stupid rule enacted. Incidently, in our work place which is exactly 50% women, NONE of the women support the administration on this issue.” – - – This policy WILL NOT FORCE ANYONE TO USE CONTRICEPTION if their consience is against using contraception. This policy is ONLY about giving ALL women with insurance the option of being able to afford to use contraception if her conscience allows it and her insurance provides the coverage. This policy is ONLY about giving women a choice. Either you don’t get it or you are the one intentionally trying to mislead others by distorting the issues here. How does the “supid rule” force you or any other person to go against his or her conscience? How does this “stupid rule” force anyone to go against their conscience specifically by using contraception that he or she does not want to use? If your/their insurance policy covers contraception, but you and the women in your workplace don’t want to use that contraception coverage in the healthcare policy, then don’t friggin use contraception! Conscience clear. Whether or not other women decide to use contraception becaue your/their insurance provides the coverage is none of your friggin business. NOBODY will have to use it if they don’t want to because their consience is against using it. And now with the compromise, religious organizations won’t even have to pay for that provision in their insurance because the policy would make insurance companies responsible to provide the coverage. Having ONLY men testify about an issue that ONLY effects women is sexist and misogynistic. If Issa was not a sexist and misogynistic pig about this issue he could have found plenty of women clergy and women theologians and women philosophy professors to testify on the specific NARROW agenda. It is that simple.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | February 16, 2012, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

Frankly, I don’t care if they include women or not. The issue is religious freedom and the guarantees of the Constitution that we can not be compeled to violate our religious beliefs. The feminists love to reframe the issue because they are uncomfortable advocating that you make someone violate their beliefs.

Posted by: Perplexed | February 16, 2012, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

Can the GOP be any more stupid? They’re gonna lose for a very long time. It’s hard to change, especially when you been stuck in a rut. Funny thing is, they think they’re cool & want us to vote for them so we can all be in the rut/ditch with them . It’s time to say ‘No Thank You’ to their insanity & move on. Maybe voting will work this time….usually it’s the lobyist or the supreme court that dictate & make winner which is unconstitutional…’We the people…..”

Posted by: queenB | February 16, 2012, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

LOL….and once again the GOP male dominated ‘leadership – LOL’ has gotten themselves on the wrong side of an issue. This topic never has been about ‘religious freedom’ at all. It has everything to do with whether people are going to be treated fairly and consistently when it comes to their health care coverage. And if the ‘dinosaurs’ of the religious right don’t like it – let’s take it out of their hands and create a National Health Care Plan. That is the way it should be anyway.

Posted by: CND FOX | February 16, 2012, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

WHATHAPPENED08: “Democrats can’t use the race card to distract from the facts they want to violate the Constitutionally protected religious freedom so now they are using sexism!!! WOW are Democrats/Independents really this gullible???” – - – Plsease provide a cogent explanation for how this policy violates anyone’s religious freedom. NOBODY whose religious beliefs forbid them from using contraception will have to use contraception if they don’t want to use it. And now religious organizations won’t even have to pay for their insurance policies to provide the coverage. So, how exactly does offering insurance – that includes a provision they don’t have to pay for because they oppose using the provision – violate anyone’s religious freedom? It is up to each individual employee to choose whether or not to use the coverage. Anyone who does not want to take advantage of the contraceptive coverage in their insurance will not have to use it. Conscience clear.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | February 16, 2012, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Democrats can’t use the race card to distract from the facts they want to violate the Constitutionally protected religious freedom so now they are using sexism!!! WOW are Democrats/Independents really this gullible??? Posted by: whathappened08 | February 16, 2012, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm ….Which “Constitutionally protected religious freedoms” are you talking about. NO ONE is forcing ANYONE to take contraception are they? The Constitution is for EVERYONE not just Christians. You have the right to beleive whatever you want as long as it does not infringe on my rights – as an example your right to be angry ends at the point where your fist meets my face…correct? True freedom of religion IS freedom FROM religion. That is way we left England and the Church of England.

And while I am at it…..facts…hmmmmm…..I thought Republicans did not beleive in facts!! Try searching for the Supreme Court decision on Bradfield v Rogers (1899). Then tell me what the facts are.

Posted by: Thefirstone | February 16, 2012, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

Now if The Democrats and their media counterparts can keep spinning this as a story about contraception rather than violating the Constitutionally protected religious freedom then maybe we can fool the people and they will vote for Obama again!!! I know Obama said he “wouldn’t want his daughters punished with a baby’ so is that how all Democrats think now???

Posted by: whathappened08 | February 16, 2012, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

I can’t believe all you gOP lovers , you think women have no say in this situation? Geez, what it’s between the catholic church & the crooked , lying GOP?? geez, the BS is so thick on the GOP, they aren’t gonna win anything for the next 20 years. They are making their bed (in a rich white man’s sorta way) & the world is made up of so much more. GOP, you keep shooting yourselves in the foot. Stop using the Cheney Play Book. wake up doo littles with golden parachutes.

Posted by: queenB | February 16, 2012, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

“Of all religions, Christianity is without a doubt the one that should inspire tolerance most, although, up to now, the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men”

Posted by: freedom524 | February 16, 2012, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

PERPLEXED: “Frankly, I don’t care if they include women or not. The issue is religious freedom and the guarantees of the Constitution that we can not be compeled to violate our religious beliefs. The feminists love to reframe the issue because they are uncomfortable advocating that you make someone violate their beliefs.” – - – Please provide a cogent and factually correct explanation for how this policy compels anyone to violate their relligious beliefs. If you don’t want to use contraception then don’t use it. This policy will not force anyone to use contraception if they don’t want to use it. This policy only ensures women will have the choice because it will require insurance companies – NOT religious institutions – to give women the right to choose an affordable option if their consience allows it. Are you saying women don’t deserve the right to make that choice?

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | February 16, 2012, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

39.The United States is a nation of laws, badly written and randomly enforced.

Posted by: Freedom524 | February 16, 2012, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

Of course it violates a religious belief. Catholics believe that contraception is a sin. Obamacare, including its recent ‘compromise’, compels that the Catholic organization pay for health insurance that provides this coverage along with abortafacients and sterilization. Whether it is the Catholic organization or the insurance company providing it free, it is still the Catholic organization that is providing the insurance. In their eyes, this is a sin and they are a party to that sin. Obama knows that but wants to court the feminists.

Posted by: Perplexed | February 16, 2012, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

CND FOX: “And if the ‘dinosaurs’ of the religious right don’t like it – let’s take it out of their hands and create a National Health Care Plan. That is the way it should be anyway.” – - – Actually, that is effectively what candidate Clinton and candidate Obama wanted to do originally. Candidate Clinton’s simple proposal was to make it legal for ALL AMERICANS to purchase the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program so they could purchase the FEHBP if they wanted and then make the premiums a tax credit. Candidate Obama wanted to create an identical parallel plan available for ALL AMERICANS to purchase if they want so the FEHBP could stay separate. That way we could have had access to a commercial policy that was available nationally to anyone who wanted it – i.e. universal healthcare through commercial insurance coverage without a government run national health plan. BUT Pelosi would not even allow committees to disucss either option for a long time. Once she finally allowed them to consider it and discuss it she still ignored the idea. That is largely why we really have Pelosicare and not Obamacare. The bill only has in it what Pelosi allowed.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | February 16, 2012, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

Why is it that the GOP apologists feel they have to twist the facts? They want to frame this as a question of religious freedom but the religious freedom they are trying to drape themselves in is not that all people must believe as they do, but that the government shall not value or pass laws that favor one religion over another. The government is still allowed to pass laws that effect all equally. Otherwise, a religion could claim that human sacrifice is their belief system and could not be charged for murder, or that men are allowed to have more than one wife. There is a balance that must be struck between the good of the people of the country versus the religious beliefs. At this point, any religious house of worship and those that work in such are exempt from the law. Any religious establishment that covers people not of their faith so not have to provide the coverage but the insurance companies must provide it to the employees if desired. No where in this is the government trying to say that women must take contraceptives. No where in this are we being told that we must believe as one particular church believes.

Unfortunately, as has been proven in the last several thousands of years, religion has been the cause of more conflicts than any other factor. The only up side is that at least this time, there is not blood and death involved (at least for now).

Posted by: Michael | February 16, 2012, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

Yes, let’s have national health care like Greece. Oh, yes, the Greeks are having to substantially cut their national health care because they are broke. Guess that has noting to do with us—-for the time being!

Posted by: Perplexed | February 16, 2012, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

Another slow day at the office for Issa ? These morons pass the Patriot Act and Defense Authorization Act and I’m supposed to be worried about women being allowed to get contraception could affect some kind of freedom of mine? Losers.

Posted by: M | February 16, 2012, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

“Catholics” do NOT believe contraception is a sin, the Catholic CHURCH says it’s a sin. Over 90% of Catholic women admit to using BC at some point in their lives as do 97% of all women. Now I’ve ALWAYS despised Republicans and THEIR ideas about Government but NOW, well I think that they WILL sink with this latest stand AGAINST Women that goes along with this past year and all the “bills” that the Cons have worked on in Congress that are also against women’s rights. I find these MEN to be despicable in what they’re doing. This is really just this bunch of Republicans KNOWING they couldn’t STILL be complaining about much of what President Obama has done because MOST of it is showing success right now – so what do they do???? Oh yeah, they START a battle about Religion just to try to throw a wrench in the machine. I hope these people go DOWN IN FLAMES in November!!!! They deserve the beating they will get!

Posted by: demNme5 | February 16, 2012, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

Yes, let’s have national health care like Greece. Oh, yes, the Greeks are having to substantially cut their national health care because they are broke. Guess that has noting to do with us—-for the time being! Posted by: Perplexed | February 16, 2012, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm ..No, lets have a national health care system like Canada or EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION ON EARTH. interesting that the only country you pick is Greece as it paints a very nice picture for your dim witted GOP’ers who believe like you.

Posted by: Thefirstone | February 16, 2012, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

M | FEBRUARY 16, 2012, 4:25 PM….”These morons pass the Patriot Act and Defense Authorization Act and I’m supposed to be worried about women being allowed to get contraception could affect some kind of freedom of mine? Losers.”…….These morons simply renewed the Patriot Act. It was another Congress under Dubya that passed the first trampling of our 4th amendment rights.

Posted by: deanbob | February 16, 2012, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

I think it is ironic that Obama didn”t want his “daughters punished with a baby”–yet he is doing everything he can to turn this great country into a nanny state by violating the Constitution which protects our individual freedoms!!! Now that I think back to the campaign— wasn’t Obama the only Chicago senator that didn’t want to give medical care to a baby if it survived a botched abortion??? So if you don’t give the baby medical care then what do you do with the child???

Posted by: whathappened08 | February 16, 2012, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

THEFIRSTONE—if the Canadian health care system is so great then why did their Premier Danny Williams come to the UNITED STATES for his heart surgery??? WOW

Posted by: whathappened08 | February 16, 2012, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

Ooooooooh, I see a lot of men being turned down for romance in the bedroom. Ladies, you do have a recourse. Cut their water off in the lovemaking department. You men may get your so called religious freedom but you’re not going to get your conjugal “rights”.Republicans do like chasing skirt so go ahead and shoot yourselves in the foot again.

Posted by: howdymo1 | February 16, 2012, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

interesting that the only country you pick is Greece as it paints a very nice picture for your dim witted GOP’ers who believe like you.

POSTED BY: THEFIRSTONE | FEBRUARY 16, 2012, 4:34 PM

Can’t challenge the fact? A good progressive response(aka attack in Alinski style) !

Posted by: deanbobd | February 16, 2012, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

That spectacle is sure to make women feel very comfortable while enjoying the privacy of their voting booths.

Posted by: sameagain | February 16, 2012, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

Exactly what Church would this force to use or pay for contraception? Any church that will be forced to pay the insurance that includes contraception.

Posted by: deanbob | February 16, 2012, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

Look at Issa Bio on widipedikia.

Posted by: billy bob | February 16, 2012, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

So a bunch of old Catholic priests, who covered up pedophilia in their midst for 30 years, are qualified to testify on contraception, morals, conscience, and the law but the women were not.

These Republicons are very sick puppies.

I hope American women remember this come November.

Posted by: Normagene | February 16, 2012, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

It has become standard practice to stack the witnesses in a Congressional hearing so the chairperson will hear what he wants to hear. Hearings have become political theater.

Posted by: Greggw | February 16, 2012, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

@PERPLEXED: “Men have just as much a right to an opinion on contraception and religious freedom.”
Maybe men can’t help having opinions on women’s health care, but they are not entitled to act upon them. To do so anyway is an act of arrogance. A man cannot truly know the female experience no matter how “smart” he might be.

And nobody’s religion is being suppressed here. This has nothing to do with worship. If the Catholic god can forgive them for other “sins” (such as women speaking in church (Corinthians)), he can forgive them for providing comprehensive health care. It’s hypocritical to pick and choose which parts of the Bible still count. The Bible is not a tool for bullying.

Posted by: OKAYRIGHT | February 16, 2012, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

The hearing was on the constitutionality of the mandate. But this is a WH ginned up issue for political purposes, and the mainstream media who support Obama shamelessly are more than willing to put this out there. Stephanopouls did the WH bidding at the debates by raising the issue of contraception prior to the WH’s revision of the freedom of conscience clause, and the comments here and elsewhere indicate that this sham has succeeded. I hope the women who are making this about contraception and women’s rights remember this when their rights in some area are superseded by the actions they are taking now. Access to contraception and abortion abound in this country — all affordable, some free.

Posted by: gracepmc | February 16, 2012, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

This is NOT a religious freedom issue. It is NOT about the First Amendment. It has NOTHING to do with the Constitution. It is simply a ‘WEDGE ISSUE’ that the GOP utilizes to ‘fire up’ their base and allows (in this case) certain employers to ‘discriminate’ against their own employees.

Posted by: CND FOX | February 16, 2012, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

Politicians and priests…they live in a world of their own. I’ve just got involved with the local city council in my hometown. People are simply amazing. I could never be a politician. It’s not in my DNA.

Posted by: newcountryman | February 16, 2012, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

OK just so the rules are clear? Due to how we value the Quakers and Buddhists freedom of religion in the future either they don’t have to pay taxes that go to war or we won’t go to war? Correct? Because their money has gone for wars for years and that’s completely against their religion.

Posted by: lexingtonlady | February 16, 2012, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

How disingenous, theTOPIC for the panel was RELIGIOUS FREEDOM NOT CONTRACEPTION! Why is it the left has to reframe the issue to twist it into something it is not. The issue is the the violation of the First amendment by our Dictator in chief. The left always has to spin the topic in hopes of sympathy, Americans are not fools-we know the issue. MSM is complicit in the attack of our religious freedom by going along with this lie.

Posted by: Jo | February 16, 2012, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

Oh well! Seems it is back to the coathangers and cloistered monks with dark outfits. No MAN should have a say on the topic.

Posted by: TwitterThis! | February 16, 2012, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

SHAME on you ABC for not telling the actual story but following whatever the Democrats tell you to say. This was about infringement of the first amendment and religious rights. They were religious leaders. Why don’t you print the truth? Or does Obama’s #truthteam not allow this?

Posted by: Concernedmomof4 | February 16, 2012, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

C’mon ABC we all know this was a faux stunt put on by the lefties trying to replay the page they used in the 90′s. At least they could have put up a credible person at the hearing instead of that whack job Norton. Lets report real issues facing America like the failures of this president with the CBO report today that real unemployment is at 15% or the second wave of foreclosures last month putting thousands of Americans on the streets or Obamas food police that traumatizing that 4 year old child making her eat the school lunch instead of what her mother prepared for her.

Posted by: Mary | February 16, 2012, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

I am a practicing Roman Catholic who took birth control pills for many years to treat a medical condition, not for contraception. (I was not married so I was not sexually active.) Should I have had to pay for a medication that I needed to stay alive? It was the same thing to me as insulin is to a diabetic. At the very least, those discussing this should address how those of us with medical conditions will be covered.

Posted by: What about me? | February 16, 2012, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

And the GOP via Issa (one more time) has stepped in it. I was a Republican for 35 years. I am now an Independent. Trying to decide how to vote (Congress & President) come November…Issa sealed the deal for me, it will not be any Republican.

Posted by: Debbie | February 16, 2012, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

The GOP is working hard to get President Obama re-elected.

Posted by: midfield91 | February 16, 2012, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Gotta smile at all of this. Not sure how the Republicans think this will help them capture the White House. It’s not just women they’re driving away…

Posted by: Jerry | February 16, 2012, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

Not only not 1 woman on the panel but no female ordained ministers. Not one female Lutheran Bishop qualified? Issa and the GOP have played their hand. What is self gratifying for me personally is that I am in Issa’s district and it is obvious he has no value for women or women’s opinions. I still have the right to vote and I will not be voting for Issa.

Posted by: Debbie | February 16, 2012, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

What a bunch of right wing hooey! Some of these clowns are naive enough to believe that Issa meant it when he said it was about religious freedom when it really was about contraception. The fact that you fell for that so easily tells me how Pavlovian you people really are! Someone brings up the idea that a woman should be on the panel, Issa lies about the panels purpose in order to get his way, and you buy it without question! Bunch of robots! Obama 2012 ! By the way, I’ve already lived in the 1950′s once, I’d rather not do it again thank you.

Posted by: Marconius | February 16, 2012, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

America has gobs of Christian women clergy. United Methodist, Lutheran Presbyterian USA, Episcopalian, United Church of Christ, and the Metropolitan Community Church have ordained them for decades. Even the Pentecostals, as backwards as they are have women evangelists. The problem here is that the Catholics want to above themselves and make decisions for women. Contraception is not a religious issue. It is a public health issue. I can see if a church itself does not want to provide insurance for contraception but these church related organizations accept tax money and if you get public funds you have to follow the law. The Catholics have always had a problem with sex from the time of Jesus Christ. They even pretend that Jesus had no brothers or sisters and that Mary’s mother never had sex either. But let’s get out of the world of Catholic extra-biblical fantasy! It gets down to what is the responsible thing for a family to do—have as many babies as they can care for properly spaced out in a way that is comfortable and healthy for the woman, or keep popping one out every year. The Bible says nothing about just having sex when you want to make a child. What this boils down to is a bunch of conservative white guys trying to tell women what to do with their own bodies.

Posted by: twinkie1cat | February 16, 2012, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

Inquisito Haereticae Pravitatis, chaired by Inquisitor Issa, supported by a panel of obvious vermins.There physical appearance alone should be justification for family planning!!

Posted by: pete slater | February 16, 2012, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

Marconius -the issue is about religious freedom , get over it. Issa called on clergy members to testify .
The left spin in trying to change the conversation is monotous at best . Perhaps I am missing the point, are you trying to say that these womenwho want to testify represented Obama’sreligious belief of Secular Fundamentalism and were just trying to define their sacraments?

Posted by: Jo | February 16, 2012, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

Let individual women working for religious organizations decide for themselves whether or not they want to use their birth control benefits. Christianity is not about religion. It is about an individual’s personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus got rid of ALL the rules and regulations just before he died on the cross and said, “It is finished”.

Posted by: twinkie1cat | February 16, 2012, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm

Hey Darrell now that we know you lost your mind
maybe we can help you in losing your seat
and then you can get a job in the lead role in the life story of Vincent Price

Posted by: acapoz | February 16, 2012, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

It is disappointing that there were no women clergy there in general, but this was NOT abt contraception. This is a manufactured outrage to provide cover for Obama mandating away the First Amendment. Women’s ability to obtain contraceptives are NOT a Constitutional right, but freedom of religion from intrusion by the gov’t IS. The DNC has done a great job of crafting a new stick to keep women in line. It used to be Roe v. Wade, and now it is this. What should be of concern is the sideways assault of the Constitution. Today it is the First Amendment. What will it be tomorrow?

Posted by: RevAmyinSC | February 16, 2012, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

The above article states:

“Religious people determine what violates their conscience, not the federal government,” the Rev. Jonah Paffhausen, Washington archbishop of the Orthodox Church in America, said. “Please get the federal government, Mr. Chairman, out of our consciences.”

Actually, that was said by the Reverend Doctor Matthew C. Harrison, President of the Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod. If you watched the hearing, you will notice that his name was printed on a card in front of him. This shouldn’t be hard to report.

Posted by: Rev. Charles Lehmann | February 16, 2012, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

So Issa blocked a woman from speaking on contraception.

Like a contraceptive stops an unwanted pregnancy.

So Issa is a freedom contraceptive.

Posted by: kravitz | February 16, 2012, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

This is unbelievably outrageous. It’s similar to saying that the Civil Rights Act was a state’s right issue and not about all citizens’ right to vote. These Republicans are so backward looking, they think he 15th century was ‘the good old days”. Vote them out of office!

Posted by: jamowa | February 16, 2012, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

interesting that the only country you pick is Greece as it paints a very nice picture for your dim witted GOP’ers who believe like you.

POSTED BY: THEFIRSTONE | FEBRUARY 16, 2012, 4:34 PM

Can’t challenge the fact? A good progressive response(aka attack in Alinski style) ! Posted by: deanbobd | February 16, 2012, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm…..”Alinski style”……typical conservative you hear this name without knowing anything about what you are talking about. Do you know that REPUBLICANS pay big bucks to be trained in his methods…..what does that tell you? As far as Greece goes they are in a mess but it has nothing to do with their health care system and everything to do with poor management and retirement with full pay at 50.

Posted by: Thefirstone | February 16, 2012, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

Perplexed said–”Of course it violates a religious belief. Catholics believe that contraception is a sin. Obamacare, including its recent ‘compromise’, compels that the Catholic organization pay for health insurance that provides this coverage along with abortafacients and sterilization. Whether it is the Catholic organization or the insurance company providing it free, it is still the Catholic organization that is providing the insurance. In their eyes, this is a sin and they are a party to that sin. Obama knows that but wants to court the feminists.”—-Exactly!!! I find it hard to believe that the Democrats can’t comprehend this issue but I guess is to hard for them to understand those that actually stand for something other than a handout…

Posted by: whathappened08 | February 16, 2012, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

Politicians and priests…they live in a world of their own. I’ve just got involved with the local city council in my hometown. People are simply amazing. I could never be a politician. It’s not in my DNA. Posted by: newcountryman | February 16, 2012, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm….there is hope for you.

Posted by: Thefirstone | February 16, 2012, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

Consciencely or not – it’s really all about trying to change the game AND the date back to a time when Republicans ruled. Everything the party is saying is about going back the times when women were barefoot and pregnant, worked in the kitchen, raised the kids and didn’t question their men. A time when Blacks and Whites drank from separate water fountains and immigration was not much of an issue. Though, they never did like it when the Irish came over during the potato famine. And they though all Italians were organ grinders, and forget about the whole Jewish problem! But I’m guessing this time is about 1956, when Eisenhower was president. The cold war had two clearly defined sides and the US could still actually win a war.
It just makes me sick to think about all the small battles won in the United States over women’s rights, civil rights and other human dignities the GOP wants us to give up just so men can rule again.

Posted by: anchor no 2 | February 16, 2012, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

Ask Rep. Issa if he will require Catholic Priests to take salt peter to keep them from raping young men.

Posted by: Shaun | February 16, 2012, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Part of this discussion is the claim that preventive care reduces health care costs, the basis of the contraception rule. This claim has not been substantiated by health care studies. The claim sells well with the general public but it has no basis in fact.

Posted by: Ztarbod | February 16, 2012, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

Issa’s letter isn’t fooling me. Just because he sends out a letter maintaining the committee is focused on religious freedom doesn’t make it so or doesn’t justify the absence of a woman’s voice. Come on! . In reality, the original mandate that got my Catholic Church and the right in a knot was modeled on existing rules in six states, exempted houses of worship and other religious nonprofits that primarily employ and serve people of faith, and offered employers a transitional period of one year to determine how best to comply with the rule. Conservatives are seeking a way to politically unite Republican voters around a social issue and portray the regulation as a big government intrusion into religious liberties. What Issa and boys should be really discussing is the real issue: how dare the government compel me to do something in such a way that it hampers my ability to force my Catholic beliefs on everyone else. Trust me, the Republicans will lose on this issue. Shame on Issa for shutting out the voice of women who, by the way, outnumber men by 4 million.

Posted by: Cecile | February 17, 2012, 12:54 am 12:54 am

The funny part to all of the insurance costs and who is going to pick up the premium for the coverage. ITS CHEAPER TO OFFER CONTRACEPTION!!!! Its a hell of a lot cheaper to pay a few hundred dollars a year than to pay for an unplanned pregnancy from inception till 18 or even other reproductive health issues that can be controlled by the hormones to prevent cysts and concers. Learn the facts. its cheaper to offer preventitive medicine than to pick up paying for what it prevents.

Posted by: johnmith | February 17, 2012, 1:00 am 1:00 am

Why is anybody in this country still a Republican? Their message is so contradictory and bizarre these days….And now they want to define women’s rights? Nobody is buying it!!!

No wonder the GOP has to resort to redrawing districts, voter fraud and hate mongering- to win an election! They stand for nothing except they hate Obama.

If any woman votes for Romney or Santorum in 2012- check under their skirt…..It’s probably an insecure Republican male under there.

Posted by: Clayton Holt | February 17, 2012, 3:42 am 3:42 am

Wait wait wait. So, if the government wants to run the country on “Christian Values” it’s okay with the GOP; but if the Government wants to make sure everyone can get the medical care they need, regardless of their employer’s views on the subject, it’s the government getting too involved in people’s consciences?

Posted by: Sparticus | February 17, 2012, 8:01 am 8:01 am

Plain and simple…..Issa is an idiot. Typical of the maile dominated trash politicians in DC.

Posted by: Spred | February 17, 2012, 8:21 am 8:21 am

The article has one major flaw. The person called Rev. Jonah Paffhausen was not that man at all. It was The Rev’d Dr. Matthew C. Harrison, President of The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod.

Posted by: The Rev'd Brian Westgate | February 17, 2012, 8:47 am 8:47 am

ZTARBOD: “Part of this discussion is the claim that preventive care reduces health care costs, the basis of the contraception rule. This claim has not been substantiated by health care studies. The claim sells well with the general public but it has no basis in fact” – - – Someone is either increadibly ignorant or increadibly dishonest and is only playing a semantic game with the meaning of “reduces healthcare costs.” For DECADES I have been reading articles about study after study after study that have conclusively shown that for a group – you know, a group, as in more than one person, like, you know, the friggin population of a country – preventative medicine is less expensive in the long-run than corrective medicine. MUCH less expensive. Are there exceptions for some individuals in a large enough group? Sure. But those individual exceptions are exactly that, exceptions to the norm for the group. In short, it is an irrefutable fact that in the long-run preventative care is less expensive than corrective care for large groups because preventative care results in cost avoidance. Cost avoidance is equivalent to reducing health care costs.

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | February 17, 2012, 8:50 am 8:50 am

THE REV’D BRIAN WESTGATE: “The article has one major flaw. The person called Rev. Jonah Paffhausen was not that man at all. It was The Rev’d Dr. Matthew C. Harrison, President of The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod.” – - – And the point of picking that nit was what exactly? That particular technical detail is the least bit relevant to the real issues how exactly? Can anyone say red herring? Can anyone say straw man?

Posted by: B-K KnightRider | February 17, 2012, 8:56 am 8:56 am

After initially hearing about this story and watching the news coverage, I have come to the conclusion that the media and the political parties will take any issue and spin it. We have created a society that demands that the person who yells the loudest will be heard. I have been a moderate republican for most of my life. This is because I hold most closely with the ideology of the right than the left. I can not for the life of me figure out why the decision was made as to who the witnesses where and where not. I can understand the viewpoint that the law student was not allowed to be part of this panel but not why the two women-both from Catholic organizations that provide some form of healthcare-were not invitied to be part of the panel. There needs to be a discussion of this issue, but I do not agree that this panel had anything to do with contraception itself or the ability of woen to get contraception. I believe that the panel hearing was convened to talk about religios organizations being allowed to hold true to their religious beliefs and not be forced to accept the beliefs of others.

Posted by: Totally Confused | February 17, 2012, 9:32 am 9:32 am

Serious question: I agree with the “where are the women?” question, but also, “where are the constitution scholars?” If this is legitimately a hearing on whether the Affordable Healthcare Act infringes upon a constitutional right, where are the constitutional scholars?

This may prove I am no constitutional scholar, but hypothetically, what if the efforts to derail this law using “relibious liberty” as the tool of choice also opens the door to legalizing polygamy and allowing sharia law to be protected by our constitution? (Wouldn’t that be the irony of ironies?)

This could be a huge slippery slope that reaches well beyond just the Affordable Care Act and can bring us into some ugly places. What if someone randomly organizes their own religion who’s basic tenet is to not pay taxes? Or allows one to steal food?

I am probably going way beyond where this can go, but that is precisely why you need constitutional scholars there to give this a proper context. Should parents jailed for manslaughter for letting their daughter die instead of curing a very treatable disease over religious grounds be freed? Or are there cases where health and wellness trumps religion? And what about an employer imposing their religious beliefs over employees? Can a Catholic Hospital, if it is the only hospital in a region, close on Sundays?

Posted by: Porkbellies37 | February 17, 2012, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

I am shaken to the core by what I am hearing. That republicans think they can strip away a womans
right to make choices about her body is because they have by passing these laws. The have changed the laws to adhere to there personal beliefs.. WE are letting them do it when we let them get elected to office. I think we are missing the point the likes of Issa and his ilk are taking our rights as American away . They are breaking or attemping to beak the unions so that none of us will have the RIGHT to collective bargaining. They have there own agenda and it is NOT what in the best interest of the average american , but what serves there own interest. Its suppose to be WE the people , not we the republicans. They do not represent me or my family or my neighbors . We need to send them a message and remind them that they are supposed to work for us. And they are doing a very bad job We should fire them. RECALL REPUBLICANS

Posted by: sonia | February 17, 2012, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

To all you boys who are whining about $$$ and whose money will pay for contraception….

If you really care about your money, you’d be fighting to pay for contraception. A month of The Pill costs Big Pharma about 5¢ to produce, compared to the $10,000 it costs to cover just one woman’s maternity, pre/post natal care, and live birth.

Posted by: bardgal | February 17, 2012, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Where are the GOP men who are fighting for MY religious freedom, and the fact no religion has the right to impose it’s beliefs on me by denying my access to free preventative care per the law? If a religion doesn’t want to pay for it or offer it, fine. The law says you don’t have to. It also says I get access. Get your religion out of my uterus, since that is a violation of my own personal religious freedom.

Posted by: bardgal | February 17, 2012, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

To those who say this was only for clergy to participate – What, Repubs couldn’t find a female clergy? Are there not female Lutheran Bishops? Issa couldn’t find a single female clergy to give her view on this so-called “war on religion” and conscience? Give me a break!

Posted by: BillM | February 17, 2012, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

Rep. Issa is the gift from Republicans that keeps on giving. Nice political move Rep. Issa. Keep this anit-woman assault going for another couple months. Nice headlines for Republcans in an election year!!

Posted by: Ed | February 18, 2012, 9:21 am 9:21 am

As usual, ABC’s headlines mislead on the content.

YOUR rights are not less than mine. IF I don’t want to pay for YOUR mistakes and contraception, I should not have to. Nor, should the faith systems be forced to provide against their tenets. The First Amendment is not supposed to be selective.

ABC, in its headline has some of you not even bothering to read the article. Dolts.

Posted by: djaz | February 18, 2012, 9:30 am 9:30 am

The left is apoplectic when they think conservatives are intruding in the bedroom and when they think religion is overstepping in our schools and government. And yet, they are blind when government takes away a basic freedom protected in the Constitution and one of the reasons we are no longer a colony of England. Anyone see the irony here? Biased reporting again from ABC. What a surprise!

Posted by: Winrobaaa | February 18, 2012, 10:21 am 10:21 am

You folks are being manipulated. Two out of 10 witnesses were women. The cameras hid them and democratic reps flamed and stormed out before the women witnesses spoke. What a distortion! There WERE women there. Most women support religious freedom. I am appalled but not surprised that that democratic women reps lied and distorted the truth about the hearings, what the hearings were about, and who was there. Dr Laura Champion gave eloquent testimony as to why religious freedom was valuable to her as a woman. Why did we not see here? Why did the female reps not acknowledge her presence?

Posted by: Mary Davenport | February 20, 2012, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Maybe these men have a concealed carry permit for their vaginas. That must be what qualifies them to say anything at all about birth control.

Posted by: tired115 | February 20, 2012, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

What utter CRAP reporting. Did you skip the second half of the hearing, which featured WOMEN speaking?

Posted by: Marjorie | February 20, 2012, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

This hearing could have equally applied to insurance coverage for male contraception. It is only because the current litigation only covered women’s contraception (no free condoms coming..) that this was now being reported as a women’s health issue. The witnesses were there to argue religious freedom, not the merits of contraception devices and the importance to women. Specifically, why should the government be allowed to force a religious organization to fund insurance that will provide service that is in violation of a fundamental tenant of the organization.

And lets not get bogged down with the specifics of this particular hearing. Look at the bigger picture. If this legislation is appropriate, regardless of religious implications, then can we expect government to introduce legislation that forces insurance companies to cover all dental procedures 100% without co-pay, since dental health is critical to overall health? Why this legislation yet allow cutbacks in coverage for mammograms? Ultimately debating how this hearing was handled is more smoke and mirrors designed to keep us from debating the bigger issue of more and more government intervention in how we run our lives.

Posted by: Francisco | February 21, 2012, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

Wow. Some of you are actually off the charts crazy! The bigger problem is most of you are wrong. The issue is not about religious freedoms any more than it is about womens rights. It’s all about power and it’s all political. End of discussion

Posted by: MiddlePolitix | February 23, 2012, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

It is nothing like a Jewish restaurant serving pork. It’s more like employees at a Jewish business buying pork with their meal allowances.

Posted by: Jonathan | March 3, 2012, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

I guess I missed the male guests during Nancy Pelosi’s dog and pony show hearing where Fluke was the only person allowed to speak.

Posted by: Yerkov Markakis | March 4, 2012, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

This is not an issue of religious freedom but an issue of women’s rights. Although I think we have much more important issues in this country to discuss other than who pays for what prescription drugs, I do think people should be talking about our rights as women to make our own health decisions and to do so with out judgement, hate and discrimination. Women put up with so much in this WORLD from sexual harassment to sexual assault and THAT is what we should be talking about. As a victim of sexual harassment, I feel strongly about this and am really saddened by this disconnect.

Posted by: Laura | March 7, 2012, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

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