White House Makes New Offer in Talks to Avoid Fiscal Cliff

Any deal that does not make a serious dent in the national debt is a sell out of the nation by politicians and should not be supported by the citizens,.

Obama wimping-out?

What is wrong with these Republicans thinking that Social Security and Medicare should be touched? There is no way that Social Security and Medicare should be in the cuts! The Republican party is so far out of reality in their beliefs to make the old people lose their sense of dignity. Cost of living increases are very important to stay up with property taxes, utility increases and care for the property! They are bullies and this is the reason to vote them out of office. The White House campaigned on not touching Social Security and Medicare! This is a travesty.
We paid in with the idea that we were going to have a retirement. We cannot buy Grandchildren Christmas gifts!

I am writing concerning the fiscal cliff. We pay for the Senators, Representitives. The should not be entitiled to leave for the holidays. Us hard workers get maybe 1 day off for the holidays, if we are lucky. You are not entitled to have days off. You want to rush this bill thru just to have these days off. Then the hard workers making under $100,000.00 get the bull crap. Having hard times paying bills with high cost of living, higher insurance premium.

These negotiations between Boehner and the President are an exercise in futility. The President, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi can deliver the democrats but Boehner is not strong enough to force any compromise from the tea party republicans.

This White House “Compromise” sure sounds like I hear the Can being Kicked Down the Road.
We need significant cuts, 4 cut dollars to 1 new revenue dollar.
That would be “balanced” considering the spending is so out of whack.

The two year debt extension is something they threw in so that they can then say we gave up something in the end. No one is taking that seriously and Boehner ought to ignore it as if it wasn’t in the list at all.
Silly Obama.

“Why are we raising the debt again? It has to go to the other way. Raising it negates the whole point.” – TexBork_2012

Nothing says I (prezzie O’Bama) want to continue deficit spending unabated like asking for a two year extension of the debt ceiling without congressional approval.

Bwaaaa ha ha ha
Silly President NoBo.
Fiscal responsibility is beyond his capabilities.

They limit SS cost of living increaes as they vote themselves a raise for the outstanding job performance they have dsiplayed over the last 4 years. Congress and the President don’t give a darn about us. SS and Medicare taxes must increase to keep them viable and the govt needs to keep its greedy paws out of the Social Security piggy bank. They are all hypocrits and when the country fails and riots start in the streets – they and the people that continually vote these idiots into office will find out the hard way as will we.

The President’s offers have been anything, but realistic. He wants to spend more money without effectively reducing out deficit or debt and raise the debt ceiling. Until all politicians get real about not raising the debt ceiling thereby forcing our govt to live within its means – nothing will change. Demcorats will pontificate how they are for the middle class when the very programs and spending they enact make things worse over time and the Republicans will continue to cave in allowing it to happen thereby ensuring they will have something to whine about on the Democrats. Unfortunately, the GOP is the only party espousing realistic fical policy while the Dems continue their typical sell their tax and spend ideas to the simple and get re-elected.

tmferretti wrote: “”"”"we’re going to have to spend money to save money.”"”"” Let’s put that phrase to a common sense test! Does that work in your household? We tried a stimulus and it didn’t stimulate. The Keynesian Theory is simply spend and try to outlast the economic downturn. It doesn’t get to the root problem like housing, jobs and uncertainty. If a deal is made, that will help fix the uncertainty and some of the jobs issues. The housing issue is a serious problem because of the amount of money within our housing sector. HARP 1 and 2 didn’t fix many upside homeowners who continue to pay their mortgages eventhough the banks have caused such damage to housing prices. Those people continu to pay top dollar for homes that are worth 50% of what they were worth. Banks should be FORCED to refinance at the lowest rate and current prices which would allow those consumers to put their money into the economy instead of paying for an overpriced house.

COMMONSENSEPARTY

It works very well in any household. I haven’t done it, but spending money on solar panels will save you money in the long run. Spending money to fix leaking pipes will save you money. Spending money to buy a fuel efficient car will save you money. etc, etc

For our government, spending money to put people back to work and stimulate this economy will save us trillions.

By the way, the first stimulus did exactly what it was supposed to; keep our unemployment rate below 20%

@ Perplexed. Americans don’t believe Tea Party ideology. The protocol is obsolete.

@ TMFERRETTI. Are you serious with that last argument about the government spending? Your line of thought has no base in logic. What does me having a plumber fix my pipes have to do with the government spending money it does not have? Do you propose that the government go out and buy a new fleet of fuel effecient cars in order to recoup the cost in gas 5 years from now? Try again.

IGNORANT

I was answering COMMONSENSE’S analogy to household spending.

You missed the whole point. I’m saying in order to put America back to work , this government is going to have to spend money, that money will be recouped in a larger tax base, more sales taxes and reduced unemployment benefits being paid out.

PERPLEXED

Your right, it creates temporary jobs but those jobs snowball into permanent jobs. It also helped fix a deteriorating infrastructure that leads to faster more efficient transportation and even more jobs.

The government never envisioned these jobs would be permanent, that’s why it is called a stimulus, to stimulate hiring not have the government pay these people forever.

Take high speed rail for example, once the government gets things moving, private contractors would take over the construction, hundreds of thousands of jobs would be needed to maintain and administer that system.

Think of stimulus as seed money that is used to get the economy moving and people working plus fix and improve our infrastructure.

The TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority) is a prime example. It put thousands to work, thousands who are still employed and electrified the South at the same time.

“Let’s see if you are singing that arrogant tune when the inevitable happens and we go broke.”

Perplexed, from 1946 to 1973 the U.S. national debt went DOWN from 109% of GDP (it is about 65% today) to 24%. Taxes were higher on the highest earners back then. We did not “go broke”.

How did they fix it? Not severe cuts. Instead, we GREW THE GDP by investing in American jobs.

I agree with V. Take a look at how well stringent austerity has failed EU economies. Right Wing fears about cuts only, less taxes, and no investment in our country’s manufacturing are out of date in the post-Recession world.

The whole philosophy of trickledown is bogus. The economy grows from the middle outward not from top to bottom. Trickledown should have had its last gasp after it caused the great depression but the republicans are so beholding to the wealthy and corporations (at the expense of their own class) they can’t see this.

They even went so far as to revive it during the Bush administration with the same result.

It’s really pretty ‘simple folks’….but all of us get distracted wilth ‘the white noise’ of the narrative controlled by the ‘wealthy of this country’. All we have to do to ‘reinvest in our country’s infrastructure’ – which will get middle class people working again – is this. Change the ‘tax structure laws so that the wealthiest corporations and individuals can’t ‘hide’ or renvest their money in overseas ventures’ without assuming a higher tax rate for that ‘maneuver’. This is what we need to reduce our deficit, more than anything. Look at what they have ‘done’ with thier ‘disingenuous narrative’…they have got middle class people ‘fighting each other’. While the ‘tax laws’ allow them to pile up wealth. Time to WAKE UP….folks.

This proposal is BULLCRAP! Obama needs to stop the spending, stop the spending, STOP THE SICK, SICK SPENDING! DO NOT give him ANY extension on the debt ceiling, Boehner! It’s like letting an alcoholic have the keys to a liquor store so that he can continue his out of control spree while the country continues to tank. DO NOT ACCEPT THIS PROPOSAL, BOEHNER. Just continue to hang tough, REAL TOUGH. Do not fall for the crap from the wannabee dictator and his prep school, crew cut WEASEL Carney.