America’s Position on Climate ‘A Tragedy,’ Losing U.S. Prestige to China

- Bill Blakemore interviews Christiana Figueres. (ABC News)
3 Simple Numbers Show Catastrophic Gap With the Science, and ‘Europe Still the Moral Leader’
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DURBAN, South Africa – America’s loss of prestige as a leader in global attempts to deal with catastrophic global warming is so commonplace now that even prominent international leaders in those efforts are dropping their usual diplomatic reticence about stating it.
Here is how Christiana Figueres, the executive secretary of the U..N Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), which holds this annual global climate conference, put it to ABC news today here:
“The tragedy of the position that the U.S. is taking is that not only does it act here in a way that is not particularly ambitious, but the more tragic part about it is the U.S. is cutting off its possibilities to be a leader in this field, to be a leader in green technology [and thus] to create jobs. … The U.S. is losing leadership to China.”
Alden Meyer, the Washington-based director of strategy and policy for America’s Union of Concerned Scientists, who has watched the world’s hopes for America as a champion in this field fall steadily in recent years, said today he now sees among negotiators from European and many other countries “not just tremendous frustration, but anger” as America comes to these climate negotiations with what he describes as ”little to put on the table.”
“The U.S. is geopolitically isolated now on climate,” Meyer says. “The E.U. is still the moral leader in this, and has been at least since the [1992] Rio summit” on environment.

Alden Meyer (Union of Concerned Scientists)
The recent defeat in the U.S. Congress of legislation to limit carbon emissions is widely noted. At one off-the-record international symposium on climate and environment in the United States recently, policy leaders resorted to Winston Churchill’s alleged quip: “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else.”
European leaders now readily talk off and on the record about how they are now ”looking east” - meaning to China - in calculating how they will engage market forces in clean energy to drive a meaningful cut in carbon emissions.
European and other coalitions - including those of the LCDs (less-developed countries), AOSIS (Alliance of Small Island Sates), the “African Group,” and, increasingly, China and India - seem to be pushing ahead to some sort of a separate deal leaving the United States to catch up if it wants to. They are doing so with an urgency spurred by three simple numbers that you hear frequently at this conference in hallway discussions, press conferences held by many different countries and urgent pleas from podiums and panel tables.
The three numbers are 0.8 C, 2.0 C and 3.0 C-or-higher.
C stands for degrees of temperature measured in centigrade, but even Americans, accustomed to Fahrenheit, may find this one easier to follow in C because these numbers in C are smaller and rounder than when converted to F. and it’s in C that you often hear and see this all referred to these days, even in the U.S.
The 0.8 degrees C is the amount the average global temperature has risen since just before the industrial age began burning coal two centuries ago.
The 2.0 degrees C above pre-industrial temperatures is the maximum temperature rise the world’s climate policymakers have agreed they must accept as a limit in order to avoid ”the worst consequences” of man-made global warming – the truly catastrophic – although they do acknowledge that going up to 2.0 C will mean “serious” consequences. They expect this 2.0 C temperature limit to be reached somewhere in mid-century, regardless of what actions humanity manages to take.
The 3.0-to-3.5 degrees C is what two recent authoritative studies (by the International Energy Agency and the U.N. Environment Programme) say will be the temperature on Earth well within this century even if all the pledges and promises now on the table by all countries are fulfilled.
Here’s the rub: Even 2.0 C is described by almost all the pertinent experts around the world as extremely disruptive and painful.
The increase we already have now because of man-made global warming - 0.8 C – is already directly linked by the world’s climate scientists to the current extremes of wild weather events around the world in both hemispheres, extremes that are having an increasingly catastrophic impact on those in their path. (The year 2011 has broken a great number of records around the world for extreme weather events.)
Now, do this simplest of arithmetic: two-and-a-half-times 0.8.
It equals 2.0, the upper limit of increased temperature the world’s nations have agreed they will try to stick to.
In other words, even if humanity limits warming to the level nations have agreed on, that would still be 2 1/2 times the warming we’ve already got.
Even if the world’s significant greenhouse emitters were to somehow achieve an upper temperature limit of 2.O (which would mean their taking far more drastic action than all countries combined are now promising to do) that would still mean we are in a world with two-and-a-half times the increase we are already experiencing.
And as the temperature goes up, releasing more energy into the atmosphere, the accumulation of severe weather events that cause suffering of various kinds is not expected by scientists to increase in a ”linear” way, but “exponentially,” growing ever more frequent, and ever more severe.
This simplest of math underlies all encounters here at this 17th annual global climate summit.
Even the 0.8 C increase we’ve already got is now killing people, raising food and insurance prices worldwide, making investors of various kinds nervous, and giving headaches to national security agencies worried about a whole new range of troubles from surging crowds of climate refugees to increasing violence driven by growing poverty resulting from drought, flood and famine.
It is within the constraints of this scientifically based urgency - readily acknowledged by almost all national governments, though not the United States – that many countries are working to hammer out agreements that they hope will, in the words of Executive Secretary Figueres, “raise ambition” among nations, spurring them to figure out how to make ever more emissions cuts … and eventually lead even the United States to avoid “the worst,” the most catastrophic suffering.
And it is within the constraints of this simple math that Alden Meyer, mindful of the worries of the 80,000 members of America’s non-partisan, non-governmental and not-for-profit Union of Concerned Scientists, spoke with such intense frustration to ABC news here at this conference today.
He is deeply concerned about a growing “anti-science movement” back home in America, about a “dysfunctional political system” that is betraying the deep ethical concerns of U.S. scientific experts, and about politicians who play on people’s fear and confusion about basic climate science long since accepted by the responsible governments of almost all other nations.

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Posted by: Jim Bob jr. | December 9, 2011, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
@ Jim Bob Jr. I don’t think anyone denies that there IS CLIMATE!!
Nitwit – read before you click submit.
Typical of most of the lefty idiots – like the subject of this article. China has more than doubled its CO2 in just a few years.
Posted by: Lemon | December 10, 2011, 9:59 am 9:59 am
You have to support the people who are being inovative. There are many in the US doing this as well. If you look hard enough you find there are many brilliant people on this planet who reach further and further with an open mind and a creative spirit.
Posted by: e | December 10, 2011, 10:25 am 10:25 am
The deniers have used China as thier boogeyman for quite a while now. But just as with ‘Climatetgate’ they will continue to make their shopworn claims for years even as the facts prove them wrong. China produces far less greenhouse gas emissions per capita than the United States. China realizes that it must reduce these emissions. China is taking the lead on green technologies. China has signed and ratified the Kyoto Protocol. Yet the deniers continue (and undoubtedly will continue) to say “Why should we do anything when China won’t?”
Posted by: WilliamDawesJr. | December 10, 2011, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Except man did not cause most of the .8C increase. Natural variability was ignored and 100% of the change was falsely blamed on man for political reasons. The science is overrun with politics and is not honest. Climate sensitivity to C02 is no where near the extremes published by the IPCC.
This report also claims so many people have already died, yet what about people that were saved from freezing cold due to warming? This report is nothing but one sided propaganda. It is NOT science!
Posted by: HockeySticksDontScareMe | December 10, 2011, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
“Except man did not cause most of the .8C increase. Natural variability was ignored.” Typical total bull crap from the deniers. The thousands of scientists who have studied recent global warming did NOT ignore natural variability. They simply KNOW that nature does not alter the Earth’s temperature on decade-long time scales. The entire 10,000 member professional association, the American Meteorological Society, has stated quite clearly that “In recent decades, humans have increasingly affected local, regional, and global climate…Direct human impact is through changes in the concentration of certain trace gases such as carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and water vapor, known collectively as greenhouse gases…There will be inevitable climate changes from the greenhouse gases already added to the Earth system. Their effect is delayed several decades because the thermal inertia of the oceans ensures that the warming lags behind the driving forcing. For the next several decades there is a clear consensus on projected warming rates from human influences.” I suspect that they know more about climate than some anonymous denier.
And as has been noted multiple times, the IPCC is NOT a scientific body. It is a political body created to deal with a very real and SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN problem, namely anthropogenic climate change. The deniers always seem to be at least two steps behind the rest of humanity.
Posted by: WilliamDawesJr. | December 10, 2011, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Solar activity is the greatest influence on the earths temperature . It’s so obvious , yet envirmentalist won’t look at the data and stay ignorant to it . It’s time for the masses to stop buying into these ponzi schemes .
Posted by: Jay | December 10, 2011, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
Solar activity has shown a variability of less than one-half of one-tenth of 1% over the last century. And that variability has been cyclical on an approximately 11 year period with essentially NO secular change. Yet deniers claim that it’s THAT variability and NOT man’s addition of 45% more CO2 to the atmosphere that’s causing Global Warming. And they expect to be taken seriously!
Posted by: WilliamDawesJr. | December 10, 2011, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
JAY: “Solar activity is the greatest influence on the earths temperature . It’s so obvious , yet envirmentalist won’t look at the data and stay ignorant to it . It’s time for the masses to stop buying into these ponzi schemes .” – - – Your claim that they don’t consider solar activity is patently FALSE. Either you are increadibly ignorant, or increadibly lacking the intellectual ability to understand the issue, or increadibly dishonest Scientists studying climate do IN FACT consider solar activity because I have seen how they consider BOTH the sunspot cycle AND the Milanchovitch cycles. Ever hear of the Milankovitch cycles? I didn’t think so. They influence ice age cycles of 19K-24K years, and 41K years, and 100K years, and 413K years. The shortest cycle is the mildest. As for sunspot activity, that is only one of many influences, and not a dominant one at that. The reality is that sunspot activity is meaningless over the long-term because sunspot activity only influences climate within a regular 11/22 year cycle. Besides, graphs of five year average temperatures show the two most intense sunspot cycles in 400 years happened during brief cooling trends. I bet you didn’t know that either, how the overall warming trend since 1880 shows variation that includes brief cooling trends (11 or 12 of them) usually lasting a few years (one lasted about 15 years), and the two most intense sunspot cycles happened during two of those cooling trends. Also, over the long-term in geological time the sun has lost about 30% of its intensity as it gradually cools. Yes, the sun is COOLING, not warming. The single most important factor that influences climate over geological time scales of millions to tens of millions of years is continental drift. The second most important factor over time scales of thousands and tens of thousands of years are the Milankovitch cycles (which I believe indicate we should be cooling as we enter the next minor ice age glaciation) along with CO2 as an amplifier. The third most importan factors over time scales of houndreds years are volcanic activity, asteroid strikes, and comet strikes. The only factor human activity influences is CO2 which must make the normal natural variations warmer than what would happen naturally because of the EXTRA CO2 that would not normally be present – an extra 85ppm & 28% that would not normally be there.
Posted by: B-K KnightRider | December 11, 2011, 8:37 am 8:37 am
There is some anti-science going on, but mostly it is science ignorance. Most of the deniers really don’t know that almost all climate scientists agree with global warming, and they are not capable of understanding the science themselves, so they are vulnerable to the outright lies put out by the denial industry. And there is also anti-intellectualism in their readiness to believe that all scientists are lying.
Posted by: jock59801 | December 11, 2011, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
I’m supposed to take a headline that states the US losing is losing prestige to China on anything environmental seriously? This same China that trashes its environment for waterways and development, the same China that loves lead paint, the same China….. OK I could go on forever. Just go downtown to most China communities and you’ll understand. I guess if you make a few solar cell plants it puts you on top with Kyoto.
Posted by: DBM | December 11, 2011, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
this is why they are chem-trailing (to lower the temps) and the gulf oil leak was let to leak for quite some time deliberately. All that oil has changed the temps in the North Atlantic Current that’s a fact. And as the gulf oil leaked there were many scientist and geologist warning that this was going to cause a mini-ice age. And now it’s a fact that Gov scientist announced about 3 months ago warning that a mini-ice age is going to happen soon. buy thermal underwear :)
Posted by: Just.The.Facts | December 12, 2011, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
this is why they are chem-trailing (to lower the temps) and the gulf oil leak was let to leak for quite some time deliberately. All that oil has changed the temps in the North Atlantic Current that’s a fact. And as the gulf oil leaked there were many scientist and geologist warning that this was going to cause a mini-ice age. And now it’s a fact that Gov scientist announced about 3 months ago warning that a mini-ice age is going to happen soon. buy lots of thermal underwear :)
Posted by: Just.The.Facts | December 12, 2011, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Total, absolute hogwash! What ‘facts’? Who, EXACTLY, let the “gulf oil leak…for quite some time.” How much, EXACTLY. did the temperature of the North Atlantic Current change? Who, EXACTLY, made the measurements and where, EXACTLY, were those measurements published? Who, EXACTLY, is the “government scientist” who predicted a mini-ice age, and where, EXACTLY, did he publish this prediction? Like all conspiracy-theorist deniers ‘Just.the.Facts’ is long on ludicrous charges and woefully short on Any actual evidence.
Posted by: WilliamDawesJr. | December 12, 2011, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm