Details of Dem Proposal Leak Out of Super Committee, GOP Rejects Tax Increases
Democrats have proposed a framework for the Super Committee that multiple aides confirm is around $3 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade through a cocktail of cuts to entitlements, including Medicare, and as much as $1.3 trillion in new tax revenues.
Democratic aides close to the negotiations confirmed that at a closed-door meeting Tuesday, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., presented a plan on behalf of a majority of the Democrats on the 12-member panel. He urged the committee to resume where President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner left off in negotiations on a so-called Grand Bargain, which included a balanced plan to raise new tax revenue, increase the Medicare eligibility age and use a more stingy method to calculate inflation and determine Social Security benefits.
With a majority of Democrats from the committee in agreement with the proposal, the case was made for the committee to consider new revenue increases, an idea Republicans on the panel rejected outright, according to sources.
Sources say this is not the first time Democrats have offered the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction a package containing various ratios of revenue increases against spending cuts. This is just the first proposal to leak to the media during the course of the highly sensitive negotiations.
One Democratic source close to the negotiations said that Democrats “put forward serious ideas that demonstrated that they were willing to make the tough compromises that a bipartisan deal would take, calling on Republicans to respond to see if they’re willing to make compromise necessary.”
Republicans on the committee, including co-chair Jeb Hensarling and Sen. Jon Kyl, refused to comment late Wednesday evening as they left another private closed-door meeting with the full committee, but Hensarling suggested that Democrats are not the only ones to have put a plan on the table.
“We continue to hold discussions and make progress. I’m sorry to disappoint y’all. You know how it troubles my heart,” Hensarling, R-Texas, said. “There are lots of plans to discuss on the table.”
“We don’t talk about what we are or are not talking about in our meetings,” Kyl, R-Ariz., said as the meeting ended.
Aides familiar with the Democrats’ proposal suggest savings would be would be split between tax increases and spending cuts, including the ballpark of $500 billion in fresh savings from entitlements like Medicare and Medicaid.
Republican aides refused to comment on the leaks Wednesday, but the last time news began to trickle out of the Grand Bargain over the summer, the GOP swarmed in opposition to the notion of new taxes.
Not all six Democrats on the panel were on-board with the plan though, aides said.
When Rep. James E. Clyburn, one of three House Democrats on the panel, left the meeting he confirmed its existence.
“I’ve heard of it,” he said as he brushed by reporters without tipping his position on the Democratic proposal.
One House Democrat learning of the news issued a statement condemning the proposal for “playing with the future of our citizens whose lives depend on the viability of Medicaid and Medicare.”
“If these reports of massive cuts to Medicaid and Medicare are true, I will do everything in my power to stand against them. I will join forces with my colleagues and do all I can to defeat them,” Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., wrote in a statement. “The people of this country are looking for fairness. They are sitting in and sitting down to protest the unwillingness of government to legislate with their best interests in mind. These proposals rob from the poor, the sick and the elderly, the very least among us.”
Democratic sources say the proposal is “not take it or leave it” but puts the ball in the GOP’s court “to come back and say they’re serious too, and interested in having a conversation of a balanced approach that a bipartisan deal would take.”
“Republicans have stated that everything is on the table, but at the same time they don’t want to increase revenue,” an aide said. “Their response to the set of [Democratic] ideas was negative. The hope is they come up with a counteroffer or serious ideas that would move ball down field and bring the committee toward a bipartisan plan.”
Earlier Wednesday, the committee held its first public meeting in more than a month before another afternoon session behind closed doors.
The committee will hold its next open hearing next Tuesday, Nov. 1, when the principal architects of two other deficit reduction proposals will testify. Alice Rivlin and former Sen. Pete Dominici will head the first panel while Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles will appear before the committee on a second panel to discuss their alternative savings packages.
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GOP IS BRAIN DEAD? The way GOP members are behaving closing their eyes, ears and soul for any new taxes or closing the loop holes which drain more than 800 billion dollars per year in to the pockets of 1% super rich Americans, they look like brain dead. If such drastic measures are not implemented soon, our deficit will sky rocket; our economy will be tanked and employment opportunities will be lost for ever. America will be in the line with Greece, Portuguese and Italy very soon. If it is hell of a job to rescue Greece and Italy, no one including Japan-China combined can rescue America. Entire global economy will collapse. It will be too late to find out any civilized way to restore normalcy but to start wars against each other to establish a new world order.
Posted by: john237 | October 26, 2011, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
If the Democrats really wanted to raise taxes without those ‘brain dead Republicans’ being able to stop it, they would have let “the Bush tax cuts” expire at the end of 2010 when the Democrats still had control of both chambers of Congress.
Doing nothing would have automatically ended them, raising taxes. But instead Obama and the Democrats made sure that the extension of the Bush tax cuts was put up for a vote and got enough Democrat votes to pass before the deadline on December 31, 2010.
Liars, charlatans and the “brain dead” people like John237 who “close their eyes” to the facts that contradict the diatribe coming from the DNC.
Posted by: Cliff97206 | October 27, 2011, 7:12 am 7:12 am
If the Democrats really wanted to raise taxes without those ‘brain dead Republicans’ being able to stop it, they would have let “the Bush tax cuts” expire at the end of 2010 when the Democrats still had control of both chambers of Congress. Posted by: Cliff97206 | October 27, 2011, 7:12 am.
LOL! As usual, a Republican leaves out the most salient point. WHY did the Democrats have to agree to extending the temporary Bush tax cuts for two more years, in December 2010? Because if they didn’t, the Republicans were going to block extending unemployment benefits for MILLIONS of Americans. Remember that? No, of course you wouldn’t. Republicans in Congress held the unemployed hostage in order to get their tax cuts for the wealthy extended. More proof positive exactly who the Republicans in Congress actually work for. and it sure as hell ain’t the poor, middle class, or unemployed……………
Posted by: Searambler | October 27, 2011, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Why do Democrats hate the military?
Posted by: Freedom | October 27, 2011, 9:45 am 9:45 am
FREEDOM | OCTOBER 27, 2011, 9:45 AM posted “why do Democrats hate the military?”
Help us out here. Just exactly what is the Right Wing definition of “the military”? Is it based on those “support our troops” stickers riding around on the back of trucks and SUVs across the country? And if that’s the case, how are Republicans helping our returning soldiers by creating jobs NOW?
They could care less. Support our troops indeed. Apparently American men and women who have risked their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan should return home and become “responsible” by taking jobs like delivering pizza or along side migrant workers. In GOP land, it’s OK to spend TRILLIONS on war, but not OK to spend money for family wage jobs until our economy recovers.
Posted by: green.goddess | October 27, 2011, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Still wating for the $3 cut for every $1 spent promised by the DEMOCRATS under Pres. Reagan
Posted by: Lizzie | October 27, 2011, 11:00 am 11:00 am
It looks like the Europeans have found a solution to their recession problems, the markets up 300 points. Guess what they did? They spent like hell and dumped a bunch of money into their economies. Maybe we should have some of them come over and teach the confederacy of dunces tea party republicans Economics 101.
Posted by: tmferretti | October 27, 2011, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
I can see it now. As our economic ship slides into the abyss, Boehner, McConnell, Cantor and all the tea party republicans will be standing on the deck yelling “NO NEW TAXES, BALANCE THE BUDGET, DON”T SPEND, LOWER THE DEFICIT”
Posted by: tmferretti | October 27, 2011, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
I’m ex-military (10 years in the Navy) and I love my brothers and sisters that serve today. That’s why I support President Obama when he tries to increase veteran’s benefits, gives incentives to employers to hire veterans, improve veteran hospitals and medical benefits, and doesn’t put military personnel in harm’s way unnecessarily. Everything the republicans oppose.
Posted by: tmferretti | October 27, 2011, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Enact No Deficit Spending Law to phase in within 3 years.
Cut the $1+Trillion deficit spending for 2012.
A straight 10% budget cut on everything in 2012 would immediately save $374 Billion..that’s over 1/3 of the 2012 deficit spending. In 3 years we could be at zero deficit spending. Every federal agency can do a 10% reduction annually until there is no more deficit spending.
Get rid of or reduce multiple federal agencies, stop foreign aid, stop funding wars, stop entitlement programs for Non-Citizens (illegal aliens), go to a flat tax system and quit ear making tax favors for big business.
Focus of providing for Legal US Citizens, quit all the entitlements. You get financial assistance only if you provide real full time work hours to your local community. Nobody goes without housing or food, but you have to work to receive the help. Even people in wheelchairs can work answering phones. Give people productive opportunities, not handouts.
Posted by: FreudianSlip | October 27, 2011, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Forget the Super Committee.
Hire 3 Jewish Moms….they will fix it in one meeting and we will all live much better.
Posted by: FreudianSlip | October 27, 2011, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Don’t worry, the republicans on this Stupid (non-sic) Committee will manage to screw it up again. There worried about a balanced budget and lower deficit while our country is falling into a deeper recession. Your right, we’ll probably have a new downgrade and the triggered cuts in defense will put millions of more Americans out of work. They have an out though; they’ll just blame the President.
Posted by: tmferretti | October 27, 2011, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
In GOPs’ Attempt to PRIVATIZE LUCRATIVE Entities, FOR EXAMPLE: EDUCATION: ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUYS textbooks at $150.00 each, for 1000 students – 1000 * 150 = $1,500,000.00. In addition to textbooks, school districts are pumping SLUSH FUNDs collected from every employee in the district, 200* 150.00 = 30,000.00 biweekly.
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At State level: Educators are evaluated by under qualified workers evaluating Professors. Professors are expected to meet outrageous criterion – “Continuing Education Credits and Student Teaching,” …. Why not HIRE INTERDISPLINARY PROFESSORS? They are absolutely READY TO GO!!! No need to scaffold their discipline area, or should not be subject to “Continuing Education.” Within the last three decades, the Professors are forced into impoverishment and forced to be underemployed. These Professors are first to be WEEDED OUT, on the basis of SPECIFIC STUDY AREA or lack of student teaching experiences.
Where Professors should be, is where an unqualified On-line student burning both ends of the candle, trying to supplement impoverished life style (philandering & procreating) and being employed for pennies, trying to bale-wire the education program. This is WHY the school districts are bottoming out.
Posted by: Fe | November 1, 2011, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm