Republican Groups Stalk Obama With Ad Campaigns

“The message is somewhat misleading because Obama’s proposal would not take effect until 2013. It would also only apply to wealthier Americans, with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on individuals earning more than $200,000 a year or $250,000 per family. The Obama plan would also close tax loopholes and limit deductions for higher-income earners and corporations.”

Devin, who wrote this passage for you? David Axelrod? Sheesh.

Let the republicans stalk President Obama all they want. He usually answers any question with how he feels and logical explanations. He is cpable of making points off their questions. I’m sure he won’t come up with “Corporations are people too” when asked if big business should pay their fair share.

The question before the court is about the criteria that exempts churches from being taxed. I have no problem with churches pushing any political agenda they want, but if they do they should be made to pay taxes. The whole idea of tax exempting churches is the constitution’s separation of church and state concept. If a church wants to play politics they are in violation of that concept.

The question before the court is about the criteria that exempts churches from being taxed. I have no problem with churches pushing any political agenda they want, but if they do they should be made to pay taxes. The whole idea of tax exempting churches is the constitution’s separation of church and state concept. If a church wants to play politics they are in violation of that concept.
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Hire a GE accountant. Problem solved…

” I’m sure he won’t come up with “Corporations are people too” when asked if big business should pay their fair share.”

No, he’ll consult one of his advisors for that one, most likely Jeffrey Immelt of GE. Surely Immelt knows about fair shares for corporations right? What did GE pay again in taxes??

I agree with TFERRETTI, if the church wants to stick there hands in U.S. politics then have them pay. The rich are not screwing us. Its all the people on welfare, & all the illegal’s entering into the country. Thank the government, it does not want to dill with the situation or let the states do it for them. 10,000,000 invaders (“illegal’s”) entered into the U.S., there’s your job’s & your money.

Has anyone seen the ads?”

I haven’t. I’m scared of being stalked.

From the article:
“The message is somewhat misleading because Obama’s proposal would not take effect until 2013.”

How does that make the ads misleading?

I agree with TFERRETTI, if the church wants to stick there hands in U.S. politics then have them pay.
Posted by: todd | October 4, 2011, 11:51 am 11:51 am

Let’s begin with NPR, Media Matters, and the AARP. They are HIGHLY political, have no church affiliation, and are tax exempt.

BUT they favor the President’s policies so he isn’t going after them. Picking winners and losers is this President’s agenda.

TFERRETTI , go to the Daily Caller you will see that this is a hiring matter that involves regulations into hiring.

The government is trying to subject religious groups to the Secular employment
laws that is suppose to govern everyone. So much for the first amendment. Once they get a foot in the door they will try to break it down. This has nothing to do with taxes at this point. But i am sure that is where they are going. Regulate churches,
work places and your home. Do not call us the land of the free. How many months do I work to pay my taxes?

— Not only did Romney say that corporations are people, too, according to open secrets he’s openly courting Wall Street execs like Jamie Dimon… and of course right wingers use Wall street connections against Obama. But not Romney or Boehner or Perry or…. the list is long.

It’s all very hypocritical.

Meanwhile… Yesterday, Cantor announced that the GOP doesn’t give a care about the economy… and Bloomberg published an in-depth investigation into business practices at Koch Industries, run by the tea party financers Charles and David Koch. The story lays out what could be a decades-long pattern of illegal and unethical behavior at Koch
—-

No mention of George Kaiser, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup?

“Ron”, I’m not the one with the double standard… I’m pointing out the right wing’s double standard.

“First you guys wanted Bachmann, then Perry, now Christie [or Cain]…. Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe your candidates aren’t the problem — maybe it’s you? … You’re unrealistic.

[…]

“It’s like the Republican base is at war with its own talking points. ‘I want someone who is going to cut taxes and balance the budget; someone who’s a skilled orator but doesn’t talk all fancy; a child of poor immigrants who will build a fence to keep them out of this country; someone who’s strong enough for a man but pH balanced for a woman; someone who will roll up their sleeves but not show their arms.’ […]

“It’s like your ideal candidate is a rare super-heavy element that can only exist in a particular particle accelerator and, even then, for only a fraction of a second before you all remembered how much you hate science. You guys need to take a long hard look in the mirror and not come away thinking, ‘There’s something wrong with this mirror.’” — Jon Stewart

“Ron”, you also may want to check out TPM’s “Why No GOP Candidate Can Soothe The Angry Elephant”:

“As the latest round of fervent speculation around Chris Christie demonstrates, there appear to be an awful lot of Republicans wishing they had more choices in the Republican primary. After all, isn’t there a candidate out there — somewhere, anywhere — who is simultaneously electable, consistently conservative, and an easy sell to the Tea Party and establishment alike?

Nope.

The GOP, its tea party, its congressional members and its GOP candidates are very unpopular.

“Fully knowing that they will be breaking the law and possibly leaving their churches in financial shambles, between 400 and 500 pastors will sermonize on Sunday about political candidates — even endorsing them from the pulpit.”– Daily Caller

Kimberly,Daily Caller, story by Neil Munro and if you have a problem finding it their
You can Google it also. 10-04-2011 Obama Lawyers bid to Regulate Religious
hiring. Their is both of my sources.

The republicans have a major problem. They are controlled by a right wing group, the Tea Party. No candidate will get elected in 2012 unless he/she goes to the center where most of the Independents are.

They are going to have further trouble when they hold up this jobs bill in Congress. It shows they are not in tune with the majority of Americans who think jobs is the most critical issue. They’ll fool around using the deficit as an excuse to “do nothing” Americans won’t buy their agenda.

By the time a candidate gets the nomination he/she is driven so far to the right, they can’t recover in the general election. Thats why Christi won’t run.

TFERRETTI–”They are controlled by a right wing group, the Tea Party. No candidate will get elected in 2012 unless he/she goes to the center where most of the Independents are.

They are going to have further trouble when they hold up this jobs bill in Congress. It shows they are not in tune with the majority of Americans who think jobs is the most critical issue.”–

You obviously havn’t been looking at the polls lately have you?? independants are ALIGNING WITH CONSERVATIVES – not with liberals this cycle..
And by the way, it isn’t republicans who are holding up the jobs bill.. Its democrats.. How long has it been sitting in the house and Senate’s inboxes now? 3 weeks? Yet Harry Reid says it will not even be the first item on their agenda when congress goes back into session.. According to him, after they return it may be another month before they take it up… Guess why that is TFERETTI? Its because the bill has no democratic sponsors and NO ONE up for reelection is willing to fall on their sword and sponsor it.. Got it.. IT WON”T PASS AMONG DEMOCRATS..THE VOTES ARE NOT THERE.. Republicans are not blocking the bill, DEMOCRATS are…If its such a great bill why isn’t reid and company pushing for a vote on it?? Why have they not even INTRODUCED it on the floor yet?? BECAUSE ITS A LOSER AND THEY KNOW IT>…

Kimberly– “The GOP, its tea party, its congressional members and its GOP candidates are very unpopular.”– there is currently a 15% to 20% gap in favor of conservatives over liberals in most general polls. Let me rephrase that so you will under stand– at least 15% larger number of the general population more closely associate themselves with conservative views than with liberal views.. THE LIBERAL party and particularly the PROGRESSIVES are MORE unpopular than conservatives.. far more.. and I know you like sources to be cited.. so here you go.. this is from a 2009 gallup poll and I can cite several more

Yet Harry Reid says it will not even be the first item on their agenda when congress goes back into session.. According to him, after they return it may be another month before they take it up….. Its because the bill has no democratic sponsors and NO ONE up for reelection is willing to fall on their sword and sponsor it..
Posted by: arkie vet | October 4, 2011, 2:25 pm.

Eh, not really, Arkie. “Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Monday that the Senate will take up President Barack Obama’s jobs bill later this month, even though it doesn’t have the votes to break a potential GOP filibuster”. Without 60 votes it will not pass the Senate, and there is no way any Senate Republicans will vote for it. So say goodbye to any possibility of compromise on this bill. Besides, the bill is completely dead in the water in the House. As in NO action NO discussion NO activity of any kind. “The White House rebuked House Republican Leader Eric Cantor Tuesday for saying the president’s $447 billion jobs bill is dead on arrival in his chamber.” Dead on arrival means no action whatsoever by the Party that controls the House. The Party of No.

You were saying……….?

Arkie —– Polls are really funny things. From August 9th, less than two months ago, information from a CNN poll: The Republican Party itself now has a 33% favorable rating and a 59% unfavorable rating. In July the GOP had a 41% favorable rating and a 55% unfavorable rating. Republicans lost 8 points off of their favorable rating, and gained 4 points in unfavorability. The end result is a net (-12) swing in their numbers. The Tea Party mirrored the Republican Party’s decline. In July, they had a 37% favorable rating and a 47% unfavorable rating. After pushing the country to the brink of default, they now have a 31% favorable rating and a 51% unfavorable rating. This is net (-10) point swing in their favorability. On the flip side, the Democratic Party has a 47% favorable rating and a 47% unfavorable rating. In July the Democrats had 45% favorable rating and a 49% unfavorable rating. The party of Obama’s favorables went up by two points, and their unfavorable went down by two points for a net four point gain. The Democratic Party was the news maker to gain in favorability. There are two important points to take away from this poll. First, the Republicans ‘tank and blame’ strategy is backfiring. Second, the Democratic message of increasing taxes on the wealthy is a winner. Poll after poll has shown that the Democrats desire to have the wealthy and corporate America pay their fair share resonates well with voters.

Searambler–”Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Monday that the Senate will take up President Barack Obama’s jobs bill later this month, even though it doesn’t have the votes to break a potential GOP filibuster”. Without 60 votes it will not pass the Senate, and there is no way any Senate Republicans will vote for it. So say goodbye to any possibility of compromise on this bill. Besides, the bill is completely dead in the water in the House. As in NO action NO discussion NO activity of any kind. “The White House rebuked House Republican Leader Eric Cantor Tuesday for saying the president’s $447 billion jobs bill is dead on arrival in his chamber.” – Okay first let me fill you in a bit.. passage of a bill in the senate only requires a simple majority (51) votes. IF the bill is brought up, a 60 vote (cloture) vote is only necessary if the minority tries to filibuster the bill. So, Reid simply has to bring the bill up for a 51 vote simple majority then see if the republicans attempt a fillibuster.. IF they do, he would have to bring 5 republicans over to have a cloture vote and send the bill to the house.. In the house, the republicans have a majority so the bill as written probably would not survive (thats why American’s put them in office in 2010 – to stop the Obama agenda). But the bill can still be brought to the floor fo the Senate for a vote and only 51 are needed to pass it.. SO why doesn’t Harry introduce it and see what happens?? the worst thing that could happen is that it could get filibustered and then the Dems could blame repubs for blocking it.. right?? No, actually that is NOT the worst thing that can happen.. the worst thing that can happen is that the repubs WILL NOT FILIBUSTER IT and DEMS who are facing re-election and CAN”T vote for it unless they want to lose, will let it DIE without getting 51 votes from the presidents own party… THATS WHY HARRY IS IN NO HURRY TO INTRODUCE IT… IT HAS NO PRAYER FROM EITHER PARTY, but as it is, it is valuable as campaign material for the president.. AND THAT was the plan all along…

TFERETTI–” Polls depend on the way the question is asked. 57% of the people polled said they “thought” President Obama would not be re-elected, but when asked who they would vote for he beats the republicans every time. Polls are meaningless. There a snapshot in time and usually change before they are published.”– I agree to the Snapshot philosophy” Which is why I quoted polls from 2008, 2009, 2010 and even from 2004 which ALL stated that conservatives lead liberal in the general populus by about 2 to 1.
“Harry Reid did exactly what he was elected to do. Get enough left wing democrats in line so that he is certain that the bill can pass the Senate”– Only problem is that he DOEN”T HAVE THAT.. there are NOT enough democrats in the SENATE willing to commit political suicide to give him the 51 votes.. they saw what happened in 2010 and 26 of them are up for reelecton in 2012..
“I can almost guarantee you the house will obstruct the bill and use the deficit as an excuse. They will do absolutely nothing to get this recession under control if they think it anyway helps the president get re-elected”– I do agree with you on that — they will obstruct — thats what the American people elected them to do in one of the most sweeping defeats of an incumbant party in over 50 years.. The folks who elected them WANT THEM to obstruct this administrations policies BECAUSE these policies HAVE NOT, DO NOT, AND WILL NOT get the recession unde control, they will make it worse… Keyensian economics has been a failure EVERY SINGLE time it has been tried and if this house does not obstruct current policy, things will get worse..

TFERRETTI–”The American Jobs Act will pass the Senate. The problem is going to be the tea party controlled republicans in the House. Boehner can’t even control his own majority leader, Eric Cantor, let alone the rest of the republicans.”– Because the repubicans are being controlled by the people who elected them (that is the way it should be) that are doing the will of the people who put them there.. Which is the same reason taht Reid will nto get passage of the bill in the senate even though he has a majority..the 26 enators who are up for re-election know whats at stake and know what will happen if they support another half trillion in spendin along with tax hikes during a recession – neither of which will fix any of our problems..

Because the republicans are being controlled by the people who elected them (that is the way it should be) that are doing the will of the people who put them there.. Posted by: arkie vet | October 4, 2011, 3:28 pm

Then why aren’t they passing legislation raising taxes on millionaires? Poll after poll after poll shows strong, country wide, across the board, bipartisan support from the American people for this. Anywhere from 65% to over 80%. If they TRULY are ‘doing the will of the people’, then they should be doing this, right?

Like Rove and company have any credibility..If they have a coherent policy, I haven’t heard it, except do whatever to defeat Obama. This is one blue collar white guy for OBAMA 2012!

“I personally don’t believe we ought to be raising taxes. It won’t solve the problem.”===================== He also added ( in the next sentence ) that he would not cut spending either , but the goon-squad made sure that part was censored out . Also , we are NOT in a recession , although the goon-squad ( conservatives ) are trying their traitorous best to change that . Take a econ 101 class dumb Americans , plz. Duh .

What will take to take Americans working again? It’s a good question . One thing for sure is not by the same policy within the last three years.

Division, self destruction bogus job creation ( Solynda, LightSquared …etc…just to name a few), Stimulus for NO-SHOVEL-READY-JOBS are not the answer to a permanent problem.

Are we better of than three years ago? If not, we all know the answer.

Searambler–”Again, their reasoning has GOT TO BE that the worse off the country is, the better their political chances are in the next election. It is the only explanation that makes sense of their actions”– I have to address this too.. thats ot the only explanation.. the otherexplanation is that this bill will be BAD for the country and it should be defeated for the GOOD OF THE PEOPLE.. Since the first stimulus was a failure, since Carter’s Keynesian spending was a failure, Since Kenesian spending has NEVER succeeded in corrected a weak economy… then I’d say they hafve good reason to think that defeating this bill is for the GOOD of the country.. Your opinion as to their motive would only be reasonable if jobs bills of this nature had proven to be successful in the past.. and they have not… How are the republicans NOT looking out for the best interest of the economy by opposing a bill that looks just like the last failure –WITH a tax hike on top of it?

” Are we better of than three years ago? If not, we all know the answer .” ============According to the stock market , we are doing about 2x better than then even after the recent bad run(s) of late , but I’m sure some ranting conservative can (and will ) spin that easy enough to understand truth into an anti-Obama hurricane in quick order .

JACKSONTIM–”Also , we are NOT in a recession , although the goon-squad ( conservatives ) are trying their traitorous best to change that . Take a econ 101 class dumb Americans , plz. Duh .”–

Lets see, GDP less than 2 percent for three consecutive quarters, unemployment at a 30 year high, unemployment benefits extended to a record 2 years duration, food stamp useage is at an historic high, welfare rolls have increased for 2 consecutive years, inflation (real inflation – not the administration’s “adjusted” inflationary rate that excludes food and energy) is increasing exponentially, National debt approaching 80% of GDP, Real unemployment (u-6) at 16%, minority unemployment at 30%, unemployment for people under age 25 and historic highs, record number of people now live in multi generational housholds (kids moving in with parents or vise versa), n 4 children now “food insecure” (thats an adminstration term – for “goes hungry sometimes”), Unemployment rate for african americans younger than 25 is at 40%, AND… a record number of Americans now believe that their children will have a SIGNIFICANTLY worse quality of life than they did..

Not sure what Econ 101 class YOU took JACKSONTIM, but if it taught you that THIS is not a continuing DEEp recession, then you need to get your money back.. If there were a republican in the White house right now , this would be called a DEPRESSION..

Obama2012. Let’s finally get rid of the racist hate that the GOP has provided the last 13 years & take care of business.

References for the fact that the GOP, its tea party, its congressional members, its presidential candidates, its dogma and its policy and issue stances are very unpopular:

“Looks like it’s a little more popular to be a liberal or a progressive these days…. Being linked to the Tea Party is the biggest negative. ” (Rasmussen)
Poll: GOP more unpopular than during Clinton impeachment
Poll: Tea Party Less Popular Than Muslims, Atheists, 21 Other Groups
Fla.’s Unpopular Governor Could Hinder GOP In 2012
“a majority of Americans–53 percent–have an unfavorable view of the Tea Party according to a recent CNN poll.”
Americans Favor Jobs Plan Proposals, Including Taxing Rich, Gallup
“Tea Party=Religious Right=Unpopular “”
Perry plummets…

Searambler–”No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!!!!!! That is the absolute dumbest thing we as a nation could do at this point in time. We would be destroying what’s left of our fragile economy if we attempted to codify into the Constitution a balanced budget amendment AND institute a tax freeze at the same time. That would literally handcuff our ability to function economically, especially in bad times”— NO it would not handcuff, us, it would simply force us to do what each individual in this country already has to do.. LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS.. Doyou not understand that your philosophy (that we can’t and shouldn’t control spending in hard times) is exactly WHY Greece, Portugal, and other European countries are now facing DEFAULT.. AUSTERITY (which they are iminently facing) simply means being FORCED to do now what you should have done all along.. NOT balancing the budget and continuing to expand social programs that we can not possibly pay for simply because they would be inherently good for the general welfare is what will destroy us.. just as it is already doing to other countries around the world..

Searambler– i usually enjoy going back and forth with you… even though we disagree we are able to converse unlike many on here.. Which brings me to this question?/ You simply MUST explain to me you reasoning behind the philosophy that balancing the budget would be detremental to a fragile economy.. I really do want to hear your take on this… i am sure I will not agree, but i can’t even grasp cognitively what logic could bring you to that conclusion.. PLEASE share…

Kimberly– again I respect that you tried so hard to back up your point.. that’s more than most would do. Unfortunately, its hard to disput the truth, and the truth is that the MINORITY political view in this country is PROGRESSIVE LIBERALISM not CONSERVATIVISM

A conservative President in the White House in 2013.

Posted by: Noz | October 4, 2011, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Social or fiscal and which candidate meets the unrealistic criteria, in your opinion?

“First you guys wanted Bachmann, then Perry, now Christie [or Cain]…. Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe your candidates aren’t the problem — maybe it’s you? … You’re unrealistic.

[…]

“It’s like the Republican base is at war with its own talking points. ‘I want someone who is going to cut taxes and balance the budget; someone who’s a skilled orator but doesn’t talk all fancy; a child of poor immigrants who will build a fence to keep them out of this country; someone who’s strong enough for a man but pH balanced for a woman; someone who will roll up their sleeves but not show their arms.’ […]

“It’s like your ideal candidate is a rare super-heavy element that can only exist in a particular particle accelerator and, even then, for only a fraction of a second before you all remembered how much you hate science. You guys need to take a long hard look in the mirror and not come away thinking, ‘There’s something wrong with this mirror.’” — Jon Stewart

Also, take a peek at TPM’s “Why No GOP Candidate Can Soothe The Angry Elephant”:

“As the latest round of fervent speculation around Chris Christie demonstrates, there appear to be an awful lot of Republicans wishing they had more choices in the Republican primary. After all, isn’t there a candidate out there — somewhere, anywhere — who is simultaneously electable, consistently conservative, and an easy sell to the Tea Party and establishment alike?

Nope.”

The GOP, its tea party, its congressional members and its GOP candidates are very unpopular.

Kimberly at 5:22 Pm — hey kimberly, do they pay you extra for posting the same thing twice? LOL

@ARKIE VET – so which clown are you picking? lol! Obama2012 all the rest is like watching the keystone cops. Good luck arkie vet. Think liberal like Jesus. Let’s give the POWER BACK TO THE PEOPLE & away from GOP & Corporate Greed!!

Kimberly– “I will repeat this: The truth is the majority of Americans are NOT conservative. “– You can repeat is as often as you like but it doesn’t make it so.. Every poll out there for the past ten years shows that people who consider themselves to be conservative outnumber liberals by 2 to 1. when you push moderates into the group in which they lean the number becomes about 6 to 4 for conservatives.. And as to your last statement who do I support? I believe that the person most qualifed to lead the country is Newt, considering he was in charge of congress the last time a budget was balanced says alot. Santorium is okay but doesn’t have the type of public appeal to get elected. ANDI think Herman Cain would make a great president.. I’d like to See Rubio get the nod for Veep or possibly Bobby Jindel.

The bottom line is that for all their flaws and faults (and we have a year to vett them) ANY candidate on the republican ticket with out exception would get my vote over Obama..

There is only one of the candidates that i honestly would hate to see get the nod.. and I would still vote for him over Obama – and that is Ron Paul..

Arkie vet, you keep pointing out that there are more conservatives than liberals…. but so what? there are more non-conservatives than radical conservatives which is what the GOP and its tea party represent. I myself am a moderate, as is Obama, somewhat center-left.

The GOP and its tea party are very unpopular as noted by poll after poll, particularly if you look at congressional republicans.

The majority of Americans are not conservative, not fiscally and not socially.

Fogbow, Media Matters and Move On talking points.

Lol. :)