In Endorsement Switch, Tea Party’s Distaste for Romney
When the tea party Republican Kent Sorenson left Michele Bachmann for Ron Paul, it was clear that the tea party has two opponents in this presidential election: President Obama, and Mitt Romney.
Sorenson, a state senator in Iowa, said on Wednesday that Paul is the “most conservative” of the top-tier Republican candidates, and that he’s a better bet to beat Romney, the ex-governor of a liberal state who has struggled to win over the tea party. For some tea party members, Sorenson’s switcheroo is the echo of a desire in the movement to nominate a Republican other than Romney, who has the best chances of winning the GOP primary.
“There is a huge anti-Romney sentiment,” said Judson Phillips, the founder of Tea Party Nation, who endorsed Newt Gingrich in September.
“The Iowa tea party movement is opposed to Romney because we just believe that he’s probably big government and more of a liberal Republican, although he has some conservative values and he’s a good man,” said Charlie Gruschow, a tea party activist in Des Moines who advises Gingrich’s campaign.
The biggest hurdle Romney faces in courting the tea party is trying to shake off his health care record in Massachusetts, which the White House has said was a model for ObamaCare. While Romney has held on to a loyal group of supporters in recent months — about one-quarter of GOP voters — conservatives have rotated through the rest.
Romney supporters say that, once he’s the nominee, Republicans will coalesce around him. Asked if she could see the tea party coming together to support Romney, Amy Kremer, the chairwoman of the Tea Party Express, said, “I don’t know where the tea party’s going to go.”
“I think it’s going to be a very bumpy ride, and it could get pretty ugly,” said Kremer, who hasn’t endorsed a candidate yet.
But Judson said that surveys of Tea Party Nation members show that as many as half of them say they’ll refuse to vote for him in a general election because he’s too “liberal.”
Not all tea party members feel that way.
“I don’t particularly want to see Romney, but … whether it’s Gingrich or Romney or whoever it is, we have got to get behind whoever it is,” said Jack Staver, a tea party activist in Atlanta.
Romney has shown confidence lately in Iowa, raising expectations for a strong finish against his chief opponent, Paul. And even after Sorenson’s endorsement, tea party leaders say they’re still skeptical of Paul’s outside-the-mainstream positions.
“The only thing nuttier than Kent Sorenson’s comment is Ron Paul’s campaign,” Phillips said. “Ron Paul has no chance of beating Romney, and he has no chance of beating Obama.”
The latest CNN/TIME/ORC poll from Iowa shows Romney barely leading Paul among Republicans, 25 percent to 22 percent.
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Ron Paul will lead a tea party split. TP is still hopping mad after the Senate GOP pushed them out onto an ice flow just before Christmas. Coming together behind Romney is more wishful thinking. They’ll need to run against Don Trump down the road though.
Posted by: sameagain | December 29, 2011, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
“Romney supporters say that, once he’s the nominee, Republicans will coalesce around him.” That’s the traditional wisdom, but some of us remember the big government, big spender by the name of George Bush.
George Bush, long before the economy tanked went on a reckless spending spree. He was into ‘stimulus’ even before the economy tanked. He passed unfunded initiatives like the prescription drug benefit – not a dime set aside to pay for it. He loved giving trillions in foreign aid for ‘nation building’ countries like Iraq and Afghanastan on false pretenses of ‘weapons of mass destruction’
He spent this country into bankruptcy, a tradition that Obama continues, and that lets face it Romney would continue as well – because Romney is like Bush and Obama – he doesn’t believe in anything particular, he’s going to listen to the consensus advice from non-partisan, permanent washington bureaucracy class – really Obama isn’t much different from Bush, for that matter. Obama’s foreign policy – nearly identical. Obama’s spending policies – nearly identical.
No, I won’t support Romney even if he ecks out a nomination with his 25% support.
I won’t support him, period.
Posted by: RoboBobo | December 29, 2011, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Since the Tea Party is doing everything to sabotage the election chances of others, it’s coming close to the time when the rest of us should do everything legal to sabotage the Tea Party, which is the kind of threat to America the Nazi Party was to Germany in the 1920′s. If you think that’s a real stretch consider the similarities: 1) lack of compromise, 2) threats to politicians who do not toe their line exactly, 3) anonymous donations up to $500,000 in size being laundered through the Tea Party and funneled to extremist candidates like Sharron Angle.
Posted by: The_Mick | December 29, 2011, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
none of these pretenders has a chance of beating Obama….the tea party is over…they.ve been found out by America….
Posted by: mad as hell | December 29, 2011, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Romney = Snake Oil salesman.
Romney is paying a maximum 15% tax rate on the hundreds of millions he made as “Carried interest”. The voters have to stop being naive and demand his tax returns. An estimate of job losses while he milked millions from his private equity investments need to be made. It is estimated in tens of thousands.
Romney is not a job creator. Romney is a job destructor.
Posted by: GoRonPaul | December 29, 2011, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
I wish the “Tea Party” would run as a 3rd party with Ron Paul. They’d certainly attract Democrats like myself.
Posted by: bob | December 29, 2011, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Get real! I’m a Tea Party man. ROMNEY is NOT a BIG GOVERNMENT man. He’s always been in the financial books and he’s helped Massachusetts, the Olympics, and many businesses go from financial meltdown to financial prosperity.
I’m PRO TP but that doesn’t mean I throw the poor, homeless, and elderly under the bus to cut all costs. Romney understands that and knows to put efficient and meaningful government into place rather than entitlement free for all luxury spending. Don’t be fooled people ROMNEY is more fiscally conservative than most but does it within reason. That’s true conservatism!
Posted by: HumbleTruth | December 29, 2011, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Only a DINO would vote for ANY Republican, let alone Paul.
Posted by: MsT-Mac | December 29, 2011, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Only an Idiot would vote for Obama again.
Posted by: billy bob | December 29, 2011, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Remember, that cnn poll DID NOT include democrats or independents which would have pushed Ron Paul to the lead
Posted by: sovereign | December 29, 2011, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
“I don’t particularly want to see Romney, but … whether it’s Gingrich or Romney or whoever it is, we have got to get behind whoever it is,” said Jack Staver, a tea party activist in Atlanta.
And THIS, to me, is THE problem with politics. Even though a chump is presented, they will vote for him anyway, just to back the party. Wrong. What we need are some actual solution presenters and not these clowns. Who could vote for ANY of these guys willingly??
Posted by: BogusPeavy | December 29, 2011, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Since the Nov. 2010 midterms it’s obvious that the only way federal fiscal propriety as desired by anyone won’t come from Congress.
I want to put that veto AND executive-order pen in a President Paul’s hand.
Paul would be the big brake on runaway Congressional fiscal impropriety. And through a 2/3rds majority vote, Congress would still be the checks-and-balances brake on Paul.
As CIC, a President Paul would control deployment of the military but Congress would still control funding, and could stop any undesired downsizing of the military.
Some are running around like chicken little about Paul, thinking 100% of what he wants to do would automatically come about. But reasonable people know he would only get half of what he pledges to do, via the brake of Congress.
And that half would be the best half, in all issues.
Posted by: dom youngross | December 29, 2011, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
I’ll vote for Obama before I vote for RP. I can’t knowingly elect someone so obviously crazy.
Posted by: JVB | December 29, 2011, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
Regan would be considered “too liberal” by tea party standards today …
Posted by: yeah.i.said.it | December 29, 2011, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
The tea party wants what it wants, the majority is onto them and spend away with those anonymous donors and next they all tamper with our votes. And then at that time we have phased out our democracy and emerged into those third world despots. They switch gears when it suits them, they are dangerous, they are wolves in sheep clothing. Remember their cries against the president of death panels? And turn around and create an ideological nightmare that would create them that much faster?
Posted by: emerald_sparks | December 29, 2011, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
The Republican party has got to rid itself of this cancer called the tea party.
Posted by: NoFlyZone2 | December 29, 2011, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
I think it would kill ABC if they ever said anything nice about Mitt.
Posted by: uisignorant | December 29, 2011, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
I’m voting for Paul or 3rd party. I’d rather take the Obama bullet in the head than slow death from Romney.
Posted by: AK | December 30, 2011, 1:12 am 1:12 am
Perhaps the Progressive Neocons like Romney and Gingrich should start their own 3rd party ticket. Obama’s more neocon than those two.
Posted by: Paul N | December 30, 2011, 2:16 am 2:16 am
say what you will about romney but obama is no prize, no bargain. if you are better off since obama then naturally you will vote for obama again but if you aren’t then you will most likely want to unseat obama. to unseat obama, voters have to vote for the one who has the best chance of unseating obama and that is an individual decision. as of today, would think paul, newt, bachmann, perry, even trump if he runs as an independent, have not a chance of an ice cube in blazing fire of unseating obama. voters need to vote according to the state of their wallet, their job, their assets if any.
Posted by: david | December 30, 2011, 4:50 am 4:50 am
As a true blue conservative and a Tea Party sympathizer, let me just say that anyone would be better than Obama. We will coalesce around the most conservative candidate that can win in November. Mitt Romney is looking more and more like he’ll be our guy. Let’s remember that Massachusetts is one of the most liberal states in the union. Elizabeth Warren has a good shot at being elected by those misguided souls…(Elizabeth Warren, for Pete’s sake, who’s one of the most clueless individuals in the country when it comes to how the economy works.) No govenor of that state could effectively lead with a truely conservative agenda. Romney will be forgiven for the MA health care disaster as soon as he demands the repeal of ObamaCare. As the campaign progresses, we’ll back Romney no matter what the pipedreams of liberals may be.
Posted by: BubblerDad | December 30, 2011, 7:37 am 7:37 am
Paul, Romney and Santorum are all good men but the problem Paul has is he is making people afraid of him on foreign policy just as Iran is threating to cut off the worlds oil supply. Dr. Paul needs to get realistic on the need for the military to be ready all around the world. It is a matter of our economic survival as far as the middle east is concerned.
Posted by: rockychance | December 30, 2011, 8:12 am 8:12 am
Poster who said that is the problem, they think they must back the party no matter what is 100% correct. And that is the problem. We do not look at the candidates or we vote let’s say a candidate is against abortion so that is why we vote for them, but don’t pay attention they are pro war, pro guns, pro taxes, etc. Get the religion out of politics #1, #2 stop the hate and anger and take some responsibility for ourselves ie living way beyond our means, wanting less government and then screaming for help to the government. #3 if we could get rid of lobbyists, perks for congress including raises to their alreay sky high salaries and stop giving money to other countries but we all know that will never happen.
WHO would vote for ANY of these candidates? They scream about this president but so far he looks way better than any of them. Only last week Gingrich was way ahead, now it’s Romney. No one polled me! This is a disgrace…all I see is mudslinging…no real ideas. BTW Romney’s healthcare is the same as Obamas.
Posted by: Barb | December 30, 2011, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Reagan would be too liberal from some neocons nowadays. Reagan would be considered a ‘softee’ nowadays after he wisely pulled out of Lebanon after the Embassy got hit instead entrenching there.
Posted by: CB | December 30, 2011, 9:27 am 9:27 am
In the end for me I am following William F Buckley’s pronouncement and nominating the most Conservative candidate that can win….if that is Mitt Romney so be it as I cannot and will not abide another 4 years with Obama……and others better wake up and smell the coffee or tea if that is the case and come together…..or they will have only themselves to blame…..JMO
Posted by: Karla | December 30, 2011, 10:01 am 10:01 am
What percentage of Ron Paul supporters will vote Libertarian if (Gary Johnson) Ron Paul does not get the GOP nomination and Romney does?
What percentage of Tea Party candidates in general will vote Libertarian (Gary Johnson) if Ronmey gets the nomination?
Romney is attacking Ron Paul (and his supporters). He will need these people in the election if he wants to beat Obama. Is there anything possible thing he could offer to bring them back on side?
Posted by: BCanuck | December 30, 2011, 10:24 am 10:24 am
I find it amusing that the pundits and the media tell me, as an independent voter and Tea Party supporter, who I will and will not support for President.
Considering I’ve never been polled or interviewed, I guess I’ll just have to follow theit wisdom and re-elect their champion of the people, Mr. Obama.
I think not. I will vote for ANYONE over the present occupant of the White House. Clear enough?
Posted by: Bill | December 30, 2011, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Sorry but the Tea Party elite don’t speak for me just like the republican elite don’t speak for me. I have looked at all of the candidates and Mitt Romney is the one that we need in there for one reason alone.. crisis control….and if you don;t think that we are in a crisis and can just sit out and wait another four years then you are blind.
Posted by: AJ | December 30, 2011, 10:27 am 10:27 am
I would support Paul over Romney…but prefer Gingrich or even santorum .we dont need another john McCain …..we need someone who will oppose the status quo
Posted by: rockmanbob | December 30, 2011, 10:28 am 10:28 am
If the trend of the previous 13 months holds, Romney will bounce around between 20% and 25% support and Paul will maintain his 10%. The rest is still up in the air. Will Newt continue to fade? Who will the 2nd/3rd tier supporters go to when their choice drops out?
At his point I’d prefer Perry or Newt to Romney. I don’t see Bachmann or Santorum gaining much steam nationally. I’d certainly vote for any of the 5 against Obama. Ron Paul is unfit for national office because of his open borders past and Truther flip flop, and Huntsman’s only supporters are his parents.
I’m anxious to get past Iowa and NH and see what southern voters have to say.
Posted by: Max17 | December 30, 2011, 10:35 am 10:35 am
The Tea Party is over! Will the last one out please turn off the lights. This is what they get for supporting Gingrich, an unelectable SOB! Their values are like flatulence in the wind!
Posted by: Greg | December 30, 2011, 11:20 am 11:20 am
“Here you go again” MSM TRYING to tell us Conservatives how we feel. Well here is the truth from a TP member. Romney will be the candidate. We will be voting for him. we would vote for anyone over the current occupant of the white house. Obama has shown he is not for what makes America great. Romney is far from the perfect candidate, but we like his business savvy and think he can help right the ship.
Posted by: danceswithtrees | December 30, 2011, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Ron Paul? Are these people kidding? That whining, sniveling egotist would be a worse president than Obama, who is already the worst president in history. A president is a leader who respects other people’s views and creates coalitions to get things done. Paul doesnt have those skills and his mean-spirited vicious attacks on his fellow candidates using Axelrod’s opposition research show him to lack honor and integrity. I’m also sick of the fanatics who follow him and their ad hominem insults and inability to join the rest of us against the common enemy, the leftists who are destroying our country. When Paul loses, as he will, these lunatics will shrug their shoulders and stomp off in a rage to vote for a third party—effectively voting for Obama. No conservative who cares about this country would ever consider voting for that braying Losertarian megalomaniac.
Posted by: Skep41 | December 30, 2011, 11:29 am 11:29 am
“Huntsman’s only supporters are his parents”
I wasn’t aware that Huntsman’s parents supported him, but good tidbit of info there.
Posted by: lsjogren | December 30, 2011, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
If the Tea Party would support Ron Paul over Mitt Romney, they are CRAZY! Ron Paul would decimate our military, abandon Israel, and allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons — just to name a few of his non-conservative positions.
I used to admire the Tea Party people; but I’m beginning to think my admiration was misplaced!
Posted by: Red in Denver | December 30, 2011, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
It isn’t just the Tea Party folks. Tons of limited government conservatives are repulsed by Romney yet we have nothing to do with the Tea Party. Individuals can be limited government conservatives without joining any herds or movements.
Posted by: Jahfre Fire Eater | December 30, 2011, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
I wonder if the Tea Party dislikes Romney for his supposed moderate views or that he’s a Mormon. Seems to me there is a fair amount of bias going on.
Posted by: Eric Sorenson | December 30, 2011, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
Rasmussen Poll just out—-Romney over Obama 45% to 39% -most accurate poll -2008presidential election.The Tea Party will support Romney for the simple reason he can beat Obama. Romney for the most part believes in free market capitalism, and could be considered a fiscal conservative–supporting the Tea Party’s belief in fiscal responsibility. The Tea Party knows that if Obama is re-elected he would be unrestrained by the threat of a future election in his quest to socialize America.
Posted by: free_2_choose | December 30, 2011, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Don’t we need someone outside the mainstream? The last sentence makes me wonder. How are we going to reduce our debt with Democrat-Lite? Romney will not achieve what Tea Partiers want and what the nation needs.
Posted by: LouieJunior | December 30, 2011, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
How the TP could ever consider Gingrich as being more conservative I’m still scratching my head..
Gingrich co-sponsored 418 bills with Nancy Pelosi, and helped Pelosi and Al Gore push through “Global Warming” legislation in the house, which is used as support for the UN’s Agenda 21.
Newt is a card carrying member of the Council on Foreign Relations which calls for a one world government..
The TP needs to wake up..
Posted by: Jah Red | December 31, 2011, 12:35 am 12:35 am
The writer’s opinion and anecdotal eveident aside, here are the choices amongst the Iowa Tea Party, according to the latest NBC/Marist poll:
Santorum gets 20 percent from them, Romney and Paul 17 percent, Gingrich 16 percent, Perry 15 percent and Bachmann 10 percent.
So much for the notion of the Tea Party’s distaste for Romney. Data trumps opinon… sorry.
Posted by: Center Right | December 31, 2011, 12:47 am 12:47 am
I’ll vote for Romney if I have to.
I will never vote for Ron Paul.
I will never vote for Obama.
Could we please get Sarah Palin back into the line up?
She is the one that most Conservatives want to see run against Obama.
Until Palin is back in…I will support Newt.
Posted by: Letscheck | December 31, 2011, 4:54 am 4:54 am
Third party can stop Romney. Another loss for the RINOs after McStupid’s ’08 loss might just finish off the GOP for good. The GOP is a sham party that provides the illusion of choice and serves as the media’s whipping boy. The GOP is the biggest impediment to libertarian conservatism, it cannot be reformed, it has to go. The Tea Party must disassociate completely from the GOP to avoid being co-opted and destroyed by them. Tea Party should continue to run third party candidates against the GOP wherever possible. In the short term the Democrats will benefit, but long term, once the GOP is finished off, a real conservative party can replace them.
Posted by: doctorfixit | December 31, 2011, 5:17 am 5:17 am
“Long Term”?
“Coalitions”?
You people are bat-crap-crazy!
There is no time left to think long term and cooperation between statist democrats and statist republicans are what brought us to this point, just short of hell itself! In the long term, with either Obama or another big government republican in charge will lead to the total collapse of our Republic and civil war.
There is NO TIME Left! There is NO MONEY left! Cut the size and scope of federal government and do it NOW!
Ron Paul 2012 or kiss your Republic goodbye!
Posted by: SoSueMe | December 31, 2011, 9:22 am 9:22 am
It’s amazing to me that the TEA party (Taxed Enough Already) is willing to go to Gingrich, the ultimate insider, flip-flopper, big government, *federal* mandate candidate over Mitt Romney who is none of those things. Or Ron Paul who is about as Libertarian as you get. Ron Paul would be a fine candidate if he had any realistic ideas about economics and foreign policy.
It is understandable that the TEA partiers get behind Ron Paul… but to get behind Gingrich shows their hypocrisy.
Posted by: Machtyn | December 31, 2011, 11:39 am 11:39 am
As far as I can tell Ron Paul is the only choice. If this were the same election of 2008, mitt would win because business as usual would prevail. This election is different because the country is on the cusp of failure. We need to put the old differences aside and remember business as usual is going to be the death blow to the country. The only change we can hope to find next year is Dr. Paul. He’s the only one who will actually scale back government and get the spending under control. Like him or not he’s the only anti-establishment candidate running and that includes Obama. Foreign policy be damned, if we fail at home financially then it’s all over anyway. Give Paul 4 years to balance the budget and then all you pro war, pro intervention people can have the country back. At least Paul will have bought you another 50 years to screw the country up again.
Posted by: Jordan Bourne | December 31, 2011, 11:42 am 11:42 am
One thing is certain. Even a cursory review of Mitt Romney’s record shows that he is a complete flip-flopper on the issues that matter to Republicans – particularly conservative Republicans. The only thing that is consistent about Romney is his ability to say anything voters want to hear. Does this man have any principles other than the pursuit of power? As governor of Massachusetts, he favored socialized medicine, abortion, and gay rights. Now he claims he doesn’t. I don’t think he has any real beliefs. What a shame Republicans can’t come up with a decent candidate who actually stands for something.
Posted by: Mike | December 31, 2011, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
I do believe that Romney is the best choice for 2012. Obama, although quite an improvement over GWB, was not ready, even though he is a great family man and an intelligent, decent person. Hillary would have been the better choice in 2008. Romney has played “the game” with conservatives throughout the primary season and will have to continue to cater to them a bit until the election. He is a capable, sane individual with an impressive resume. He will restore some degree of moderation to the Republican Party and will do a better job of reaching across the isle than Obama to get things done. Conservatives in general, and the TP specifically, are in big trouble because they have no choice but to vote for him and thereby guarantee the return of a more moderate, resonsible Republican Party. Ironically, if Obama were to be re-elected that would truly energize the conservative/TP faction for the next four years and may very well result in nominating a true conservative for 2016.
Posted by: Fred | December 31, 2011, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
I voted for my last status quo neocon in the last election. I will either vote the constitution with Ron Paul, or I will write him in. The differences between neocons and liberal policies are shades of gray. Time to stop the welfare/warfare state and make America great again. Party over positions is how we got where we are, and I will no longer be part of the revolving door that’s pushes non constitution minded people into office.
Posted by: Tentoesup | January 3, 2012, 11:00 am 11:00 am