Transcript for Jury resumes deliberations in Chauvin trial
The question of whether ex-officer Derek chauvin is guilty of murdering George Floyd is being deliberated by a jury as we speak. And after the prosecution and the defense made their closing arguments yesterday, take a look. You have to pull back and say, would but for the defendant's actions pushing him down, would George Floyd have died that day? Believe our eye, what you saw, you saw. You were told, for example, Mr. Floyd died because his heart was too big. You heard that testimony and the truth of the matter is that the reason George Floyd is dead is because Mr. Chauvin's heart was too small. All of the evidence shows that Mr. Chauvin thought he was following his training. There is absolutely no evidence that officer chauvin intentionally, purposefully applied unlawful force. So, sunny, how effective in your opinion were both sides yesterday? Did they miss opportunities? Well, I felt that the prosecution's case was extremely strong, in fact, I don't know that I have seen a murder case against a police officer as strong as this one. I thought the prosecution's closing was extremely effective in that they continued the theme that they started with, which is, you can believe your eyes, you can believe the video that you saw in the courtroom and, whoopi, that we all saw, all saw in the world throughout the world that started this movement, these protests. I will say that juries are really loathe to convict police officers, because juries believe in the role that police officers want to protect and to serve, that is the traditional role, so it is a very high bar to convict a police officer and the bar is beyond a reasonable doubt, not just any doubt but beyond a reasonable doubt but the prosecution did a good job by saying to these jurors, this is not the state of Minnesota against the police or the state of Minnesota against policing. This is the state of Minnesota against Derek chauvin. He is not being prosecuted for who -- for who he is, he is being prosecuted for what he did. That was very effective, but the defense was also very effective in using this reasonable police officer, what would a reasonable police officer do, because the supreme court really extended the fourth amendment constitutional right from what would a reasonable person do to what would a reasonable officer do given the circumstances, and I think given that standard that the supreme court put forth in 1989, the jury is going to have a difficult time grappling with it. We all saw that video. We all think it's unreasonable for anyone to kneel the life out of someone for 9 minutes and 29 seconds but what will this jury think is really the question. This is the part when I was trying cases, whoopi, that made me feel the most helpless. You've done everything that you can do. Now it's in the jury's hands. Right. Sara, what did you think of the closing arguments? I thought the prosecution made such an ironclad case. Now, I'm coming at this not as a legal mind but as a lay woman and thought it was so deliberate and so disciplined in how they went about proving this and, again, some of the standout things they called over 38 witnesses, most powerful I thought were fellow police officers but also the witnesses who have been traumatized. I loved that point about the policing, you know, they said there's nothing worse for good police than bad police, so for those jurors who as sunny said might be hesitant this says if you do believe in the system and have faith that it can serve justice, then you got to weed out someone like Derek chauvin. I also liked the believing your eyes and the gut and your reaction to the video. It was right. Go with that. Lean into that and that line that really got me was you are told, for example, that Mr. Floyd died because his heart was too big and the truth of the matter is George Floyd is dead because Mr. Chauvin's heart was too small. So I thought it was so powerful. I'm nervous like anyone else because of the history of these cases and how often acquittals come out of this. I'm hopeful but the two things that worry me is if there was a not guilty what does that say about police reform, about justice in this country, about what lives matter, and, two, the reaction to that injustice would be a place my mind can't even go right now so I'm going to sit with hope because they did a great job. Right. Meghan, when you saw it and listened to it what went through your mind? Look, I haven't been watching the entire trial. I've watched bits and piece, honestly it's so emotional and jarring, I don't need to see it because I saw the George Floyd video and I don't know where you find any individual anywhere you don't think that man was murdered in cold blood in front of a group of people. Derek chauvin had his knee on his neck for nine minute, normally a "View" hot topic is seven. An entire segment plus two minutes after. An extremely long time to be suffocating a man. I hope they convict him and I hope he goes to jail or worse for the rest of his life and I hope this country can take a path forward to heal in all the ways that we need to. This is an absolutely historical paradigm shifting event that we have all been impacted for and it's been a huge wake-up call for so many people. As far as I'm concerned Derek chauvin is a cold-blooded murderer that should rot in hell. Joy, are you hopeful that the verdict will lead to people really fighting for change? I think that we'll continue to fight for change. I don't know how long it's going to take before, you know, we see real change in law enforcement. As long as you have poorly trained officers, sadistic officers in the ranks, people who have no sense of what they're doing, I think that it's problematic. I mean I'm old enough to remember so many of these cases already where we as Meghan says we say -- all have said this, we see what happened on TV with our own eyes and then they say not I mean, it's -- it's very hard to say that this is going to come out with a guilty verdict to tell you the truth. You know, as sunny reminded us, the juries don't like to convict cops. They're scared to convict cops. They don't believe that -- they think they're just doing their job, et cetera, and I really do fear for the kind of rioting or whatever is going to come from a not guilty verdict which would be a smack in the face to all right thinking Americans. Well, the thing that I thought was really sort of interesting was, when the prosecution was saying, you know, they're telling you stories. They're not giving you facts, you know, and when you shade something, you know, very upset because they felt they were being told that the jury was being told, you know, they're not giving you the full truth and I kind of felt like that because when you say, he died because his heart was too big, not he died because a man's knee was on his neck, that's a story. That's like shading the truth, you know. That man -- and the thing that I never saw in the courtroom and probably would never see it but no one said, let's take the opportunity to try this. If we don't think this is what really took George Floyd out, let me get somebody to sit on your neck for 9 1/2 minutes and we'll see how far you get. I just -- you know, it is what it is. We all saw what it is and, you know, when cops say you did the wrong thing, when your own brothers come out and say this is not how we do it, I have to believe them. But that's me. We'll be right back.
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