Transcript for Biden and Trump address national security threat of foreign influence during election
move onto our next section, which is national security. And I do want to start with the security of our elections and some breaking news from overnight, just last night, top intelligence officials confirmed again that both Russia and Iran are working to influence this election. Both countries have obtained U.S. Voter registration information. These officials say. And Iran sent intimidating messages to Florida voters. This question goes to you, Mr. Vice president, what would you do to put an end to this threat? You have two minutes, uninterrupted. I made it clear and I ask everyone else to take the pledge. I made it clear that any country, no matter who it is, that interferes in American elections will pay a price. They will pay a price. It's been overwhelmingly clear this election, I won't even get into the last one, this election, that Russia has been involved. China's been involved. And now we learn that Iran is involved. They will pay a price if I'm they're interferes with American sovereignty. That's what's going on. They're interfering with American sovereignty. To the best of my dodge, I don't think the president's said anything to Putin about it. I don't think he's said a word. I don't know why he hasn't said a word to Putin about it. And I don't know what he's recently said to the Iranians. My guess is he would be more outspoken with regard to the Iranians. The point is this, folks. We're in a situation where we have foreign countries trying to interfere in the outcome of our election. His own national security adviser told him that what is happening with his buddy -- I will, his buddy, Rudy Giuliani, he's being used as a Russian pawn. He's being fed information that is not true. And then what happens? Nothing happens. And then you find out that everything that's going on here about Russia is wanting to make sure that I do not get elected the next president of the united States because they know I know them. And they know me. I don't understand why this president is unwilling to take on Putin when he's actually paying bounties to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan. When he's engaged in activities that are trying to destabilize all of nato. I don't know why he doesn't do it, but it's worth asking the question. Why isn't that being done? Any country that interferes with us will, in fact, pay a price because they're affecting our President trump, same question to you, let me ask the question, you're going to have two minutes to respond. For two elections in a row, there's been substantial interference from foreign adversaries. What would you to do put an end to this? Well, let me respond to the first sport. Joe got $3.5 million from Russia and I came through Putin because he was very friendly with the former mayor of Moscow and it was the mayor of Moscow's wife and you got $3.5 million, your family got $3.5 million and, you know, some day you're going to have to explain why did you get -- I never got any money from Russia. I don't get money from Russia. Now, about your thing last night, I knew all about that and through John, who is fantastic, dni, he said, the one thing that's common to both of them, they both want you to lose. Because there has been nobody tougher to Russia, between the sanctions, nobody tougher than me on Russia. Between the sanctions, between all of what I've done with nato. I've got the nato countries to put up an extra $130 billion, going to $420 billion a year. That to guard against Russia. Sold, while he was selling pillows and sheets, I sold tank busters to Ukraine. There has been nobody tougher on Russia than Donald Trump. And I'll tell you, they were so bad, they took over the submarine port, you remember that very well, during your term, during you and Barack Obama, they took over a big part of what should have been Ukraine, you handed it to them. But you were getting a lot of money from Russia. They were paying you a lot of money. And they probably still are. But now, with what came out today, it's even worse. All of the emails, the emails, the horrible emails of the kind of money that you were raking in, you and your family, and Joe, you were vice president when some of this was happening. And it should have never happened. And I think you owe an explain nation to the American people. Why is it, somebody just had a news conference a little while ago who was essentially supposed to work with you and your family, but what he said was damning. And regardless of me, I think you have to clean it up and talk to the American people. Maybe you can do it right now. Vice president Biden? You may respond. And then I do want to follow up on the election security. I have not taken a penny from any foreign source ever in my life. We learned that this president paid 50 times the tax in China, has a secret bank account with China, does business in China and, in fact, is talking about me taking money? I have not taken a single penny from any country whatsoever, ever. Number one. Number two, this is a president, I released all of my tax returns. 22 years, go look at them. 22 years of my tax returns. You have not released a single solitary year of your tax returns. What are you hiding? Why are you unwilling? The foreign countries are paying you a lot. Russia's paying you a lot. China's paying you a lot. And your hotels and all your businesses all around the country. All around the world. And China's building a new road to a new golf course you have overseas. So, what's going on here? Release your tax returns or stop talking about corruption. Your response? First of all, I called my accountants, under audit, I'm going to relee them as soon as we can, I want to do it and it will show how successful, how great this company is, but much more importantly, people were saying $750, I asked them a week ago, I said, what did I pay? They said, sir, you prepaid tens of millions of dollars. I prepaid my tax. Over the last number of years, tens of millions of dollars, I prepaid. Because at some point, they think it's an estimate, they think I may have to pay tax, so I already prepaid it. Nobody told me that. Did your accountant -- Excuse me. It wasn't written, when they write this, they keep talking about $750, which I think is a filing fee. But let me just tell you, I prepaid millions and millions of dollars in taxes. Number one. Number two, I don't make money from China. You do. I don't make money from Ukraine. You do. I don't make money from Russia. You made $3.5 million, Joe. And your son gave you -- they even have a statement that we have to give 10% to the big man, you're the big man, I think, I don't know, maybe you're not. You're the big man. Your son said, we have to give 10% to the big man. Joe, what is that all about? Gentlemen, I want to -- I have to respond to this. I'm going to let you respond very quickly. You said you spoke to your accountant about releasing your taxes. Do you know when you can release them? Do you have a deadline? I get treated worse than the tea party got treated -- You don't have a time frame? Deep down in the irs, they treat me horribly. We made a deal, it was all settled until I decided to run for president. I get treated very badly by the irs. Very unfairly. But we had a deal all done. As soon as we're completed with the deal, I want to release it. But I have paid millions and millions of dollars and I -- it's worse than paying. I paid in advance. It's called prepaying your taxes. I want to ask you both about questions regarding your potential foreign entanglements and questions that have been raised to give you both a chance to talk about this more broadly. Respond very quickly and I'll get to my question. He's been saying this for four years. Show us. Just show us. Stop playing around. You've been saying for four years you're going to release your taxes. Nobody knows, Mr. President. What they do know is you're not paying your taxes or you are paying taxes that are so low -- last time he said what he paid, he said, I only pay that little because I'm smart. I know how to game the system. Come on. Come on, folks. President trump, I want to get to two questions to both of you on this. Sure. I was put through a phony witch hunt for three years. It started before I even got they spied on my campaign, no president should ever have to go through what I went through. Let me just say this. Mueller and 18 angry Democrats an FBI agents all over the place spent $48 million, they went through everything I had including my tax returns and they found absolutely no collusion and nothing wrong. 48 million. I guarantee you, if I spent $1 million on you, Joe, I could find plenty wrong, because the kind of things that you've done and the kind of moneys that your family has taken, I mean, your brother made money in Iraq. Millions of dollars. Your other brother made a fortune. And it's all through you, Joe. And they say you get some of it. And you do live very well. You have houses all over the place. You live very well. All right, gentlemen, let me just ask some questions about all of this broadly. Vice president Biden, there have been questions about the work your son has done in China and for a Ukrainian energy company. In retrospect, but anything about those relationships inappropriate or unethical. Nothing was unethical. Here's the deal. With regarding Ukraine, we had this whole question about whether or not, because he was on the board, I later learned, of burisma, a company, that I had somehow done something wrong, yet every single solitary person when he was going through his impeachment testifying under oath who worked for him said I did my job impeccably. I carried out U.S. Policy. Not one single solitary thing was out of line. Not a single thing. Number one. Number two, the guy who got in trouble in Ukraine was this guy, trying to bribe the Ukrainian government to say something negative about me, which they would not do and did not do, because it never, ever happened. My son has not made money in terms of this thing about, what are you talking about, China. I have not had -- the only guy that made money from China is this guy. The only one. Nobody else has made money from China. By the way -- Let me ask my question to you. Just one thing. Very quickly. His son didn't have a job for long time, was sadly no longer in the military service, I won't get into that, and he didn't have a job. As soon as he became vice president, burisma, not the best reputation in the world, I hear they paid him 183,000 a month. Listen to this. And they gave him a $3 million up front payment. All right. And he had no energy experience. I'm going to let the vice president respond to that and I need to get to a question to you. No basis for that. Everybody investigated that. Nobody said anything he did was wrong in Ukraine. Okay, president trump, this is for you. Since you took office, you have never divested from your business. You personally promoted your properties abroad. A report this week, which was referenced, does indicate that your company has a bank account in China. So, how can voters know that you don't have any foreign conflicts of interest? I have my bank accounts and they are all list and they're all over the place. I was a businessman doing business. The bank account you're referring to, which is -- everyone knows about it, it's the bank account was in 2013, that's when it was. It was opened in -- it was closed in 2015, I believe. And then I decided, because I was going to do -- I was thinking about doing a deal in China, like millions of other people, I was thinking about it, and I decided, I'm not going to do it, didn't like it, I decided not to do it, had an account open and I closed it. Okay. Excuse me. And then, unlike him, where he's vice president and he does business, I then decided to run for president after that. That was before. So, I closed it before I ran for president, let alone became president. Big difference. He's the vice president of the United States and his son, his brother and his other brother are getting rich. They are like a vacuum cleaner, they are sucking up money. Okay, president trump, we need to move on. Not true. I want to ask you, vice president Biden, China. Let's talk about China more broadly. There have, of course, president trump has said that they should pay for not being fully transparent in regards to the coronavirus. If you were president, would you make China pay and please be specific. What I would make China do is play by the international rules, not like he has done. He has caused the deficit to China to go up, not down, with China. Up, not down. We are making sure that in order to do business in China, you have to give all your intellectual property, you have to have a partner in China, 51%, we would not do that at all, number one. Number two, we're in a situation where China would have to play by the rules internationally, as well. When I met with XI when I was vice president, he said, we're setting up air identification Zones in the south China sea, you can't fly through them. I said, we're going to. You have to play by the rules. He embraces the thugs like in North Korea and the Chinese president and Putin and others and he pokes his finger in the eye of all of our friends, all of our allies. We make up only -- 25%, 25% of the world's economy. We need to be having the rest of our friends with us, saying to China, these are the rules. You play by them or you're going to pay the price economically. That's the way I will run it and that's what we did upholding steel tariffs. Let's talk about North Korea. Excuse me, no, I have to respond to that. Okay. Very quickly and then we're going to move onto North Korea. After spending ten minutes in office and being in air force two. Number one. Number two, there's a very strong email talking about your family wanting to make $10 million a year for President trump, on China policy, though, what are you going to do, what specifically are you going to do to make China pay. You said you're going to make them pay. China is paying. New sanctions? I just gave $28 billion -- Taxpayers money. It's what? Taxpayers money. Didn't come from China. It's called China. China paid 28 billion -- Not true. You know what they did to pay it? They devalued their currency and they paid up. You know who got the money? Our great farmers, because they were targeted. You never charged them anything. Also, I charged them 25% on dumped steel because they were killing our steel industry. We were not going to have a steel industry. Okay. And now we have a steel industry. Vice president Biden, your response. My response is, look. This isn't about -- there's a reason why he's bringing up all this malarkey. There's a reason for it. He doesn't want to talk about the substantive issues. It's not about his family and my family. It's about your family. And your family is hurting badly. If you are making less -- if you are a middle class family, you are getting hurt badly right now. You are deciding, well, we can't get new tires, they're bald, because we have to wait another month or so, are we going to be able to pay the mortgage, who is going to tell her she can't go back to community college? Those are the decisions you're making in the middle class families I grew up in. They're in trouble. We should be talking about your families, but that's the last thing he wants to talk about. That is a typical statement -- I want to turn to -- Ten seconds, Mr. President. That's a typical political statement. Let's get off the China thing and then he looks, the family, around the table. Just a typical politician when I see it. I'm not a typical politician. That's why I got elected. Let's talk about -- Let's get off the subject, let's talk about sitting around the table. Come on, Joe. We're going to talk about North Korea now. President trump, you met with Kim Jong-un three times. You talked about your beautiful letters with him, you touted the fact that there hasn't been a war or a long-range missile test and yet North Korea recently rolled out its biggest ever intercontinental missile and continues to develop its nuclear arsenal. Do you see that as a betrayal? Just 30 seconds here. So, when I met with Barack Obama, we sat in the white house, right at the beginning, had a great conversation, supposed to be 15 minutes, it was well over an hour. We said the biggest problem we have is North Korea. He indicated, we will be in a war with North Korea. Guess what? It would be a nuclear war. And he does have plenty of nuclear capability. In the meantime, I have a very good relationship with him. Different kind of a guy, but he probably thinks the same thing about me. We have a different kind of a relationship. We have a very good relationship. And there's no war. And, you know, about two months ago, he broke into a certain area, they said, oh, there's going to be trouble, I said, no, they're not, he's not going to do that. I was right. Look, instead of being a war, where millions of people, Seoul, you know, a 25 miles away, millions and millions, 32 million people in Seoul, millions of people would be dead right now. That's 30 seconds, thank you. Vice president Biden, to you. North Korea conducted four nuclear tests under the Obama administration. Why do you think you'd be able to rein in this threat? I made it clear as a spokesperson when I went to China, they said, why are you moving your missile defense up to close? Why are you moving more forces here? Why are you continuing to do military maneuvers with south Korea? I said because North Korea is a problem. And we're going to continue to do it so we can control them. We're going to make sure we can control them and make sure they cannot hurt us. And so, if you want to do something about it, step up and if not, it's going to continue. What has he done? He's legitimized North Korea. He talked about his good buddy, who is a thug. A thug. And he talks about how we're better off. And they have much more capable missiles. Able to reach U.S. Territory much more easily than ever did before. Let me follow up, vice president Biden. You said you would about meet with Kim Jong-un without preconditions. Are there any conditions under which you would meet with him? On the condition he would agree that he would be drawing down his nuclear capacity to get -- the Korean peninsula should be a nuclear-free zone. Kristen, they tried to meet with him. They tried to meet with him. He wouldn't do it. He didn't like Obama. He didn't like him. He wouldn't do it. Okay, I have to give him a chance to respond to that before we move on. It's okay. You know what? North Korea, we're not in a war, we have a good relationship. You know, people document understand, having a good relationship -- President trump, question have to move on, because we have a lot of questions to get to. We had a good relationship with hitler before he, in fact, invaded Europe. The rest of Europe. Come on. The reason he would not meet with president Obama is because president Obama said we're going to talk about denuclearization. We're not going to legitimize you, we're going to continue to push stronger and stronger sanctions on you. That's why he wouldn't meet with us. And it didn't happen. Let's move on and talk about American families. We need to move on. They left me a mess. North Korea was a mess. We need to move on so that we can get to all of our other questions tonight, president trump. There was a very dangerous period in my first three months before we sort of worked things out. Okay. They left us a mess and Obama would be, I think, the first to say, it was the single-biggest problem. Okay, let's move onto American families and the economy.
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