Matt and LZ Break Down the GOP Debate Winners and Losers

ABC News Contributors Matthew Dowd and LZ Granderson analyze the second Republican debate.
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Well I'm how did you make it through money because through you don't we just got through watching the hobby. I part of loan or are currently are asked of us are saying you've. Republic of ground we had an opportunity to hear that Boggs. And talk about policy. We just and you hear about long. After awhile. Like the movie editor. In spite Oliver Stone but where. They're more season worth it. If you things that we'll talk about both the first and the fact that when the first four people effect was eleven but one thing I was thinking LC is if I were. Donald Trump and Paris and Kylie. And cut a deal and say listen let's make the in DC who is the next today do it our way it'll shorten the field shorten the debate that's but I would I would force the issue. Well I Argo Donald Trump is gonna have the same amount of leverage. Hearts once you see the numbers after this I think you can cross really really poorly. Armies dipping Carly. Really shined and I think much of America people would anyway through the same way. I don't know he's going to be part of that meeting anymore when they get together and as try to dictate the terms of the next debate because not only do I think he performed poorly. In terms of actual supporters but I think in terms of driving interest I don't know the American people will be curious about the seeing him on television where they where like a month ago. Well you know it's interesting in the course of that I agree with you I thought the big winner in this debate in the debate night. Mom to please bring its nickel and forever. With currently she was good at the beginning she was that it Ian Tuesday exchanges he seemed to have Chris answers. Stories you know great stories to her exchange she knows how to deal with terrorism woman that is strong property. If you your you what you look lovely if you do it well I think the elderly don't withdrawn when reports given divorce papers. Oh. Is there. It's it was very bright that the inspector you know my son was watching and he texted music but yo truth comes to. Hall. Well I'd like to go to the first debate which the only thing I can really remember I think you have them about it but. Was how they arranged. For your candidate that we can take a look. At the arrangement of the four candidates which which I don't know if it was on purpose. With Pataki and Santorum. And here it. Debate they had done this at high order for some reason in front of an Air Force One Ronald Reagan's former plain but it was from tallest to smallest which kept up with one of the funniest with the stage it. Which north also registering his talks the smallest but it's also. Boring to most interesting I thought Lindsay actually had a pretty eventful night in a lot of great singers such appreciation goes a long way I think when you. Haiti's government herself his joke when he said his longest that's along with the library ever which was really funny because he's in the rail lottery Ira body with Bonnie but his story you write about it personal story. He was big on military action. Bit. Going to be commute bonus round for America with arts. If you put it altogether trying to break it absolutely got three means cuts that could get the weapons to kill us. They're on track to get a bomb even they don't she went killer when these bastards Wear you the wedding cake baker. Are they gay couple. Are the Baptist preacher radical Islamic ideology take if I believe they were trying to break down and get a bomb. Not remains 'cause they could get the weapons to kill us. IV low. This is not its answer to everything requested hey there's an oil spill Mickey somebody. It would go to Dubai outsource security kill somebody I think there's an argument for gun control actually you think. It's trigger happy few moments or perhaps I can. I don't want to downplay his experiences in the military and wanna down play the information he knows that clearly we are privileged to. But there's got to be a way to communicate the need to protect America's interest. With outs fountains you're trying to bomb everyone who disagree with our fly if it. The world it's interesting Ozzy because he. He made mention the fact that he was the only one it's certain military around rate that's but he said and for summit in most people in the he knows I've done it did two tours in Iraq. A brother served in the Marines both in Panama and Kuwait and the served in the Coast Guard. All of which. Are the least militaristic people and most people. And it's served on the front line mr. Frontline the last thing they want to do is get a fire is you know fire fight he's ready. Him and his buddy McKay. They wanted to blow up the world and it's sort of plate. Do you not pay attention to history into one the things that we talk about you know the second debate the big person debate if you will. Main event the main event you know that left nineteen hours. But. You know senator Rand Paul to his credit tried to give his three member. The historical context rule analysis if you will of our involvement in the Middle East and not just begin the conflict in our ran. With like five years ago. We're ten years ago but actor try to remind us that we've been engaged in this country for decades and we kind of screwed up each and every time. And if you go back into like the 1950s when the CIA was in balked at a clue. That over through and a democratic elected. Leader because as best interest of America. When you start looking at it from that sort of perspective. That you want to. Everything isn't just about bombing and into being that was that when you and I were talking always watched the date when an interesting things as they were sitting in the Reagan library in front. Air Force One talking about how much a rain can't be trusted and the president. Who established that library. Traded arms for hostages with Iran when I ran again acrid. Which the moderator is sort of pointed out and all of the people on stage either didn't know or completely forgot I'm sure they convene again defect apparently forgot that we actually shot Allen Koreans airliners so there's the question. There's actually a mutual trust problems and. You wonder why he you know me like constantly say bad things about us what I don't know if you go win it and stage a coup. And overthrow the government in the back in 1950s and then every decade after that you keep blowing up their people you might rip open attitude. It's true well what I want talk about the bid I know where each where and I got my Johnny Cash teacher I've got my political my part of China youth and strength going to hear that but we do take this seriously and debates do matter yet and as we've seen in the course this with this one with the last one in this one. He's actually could become more important than the actual Iowa caucus voting and the New Hampshire primary from culling the field down. Promote what it started seventeen to field already been called some. Is your guest it's cold even more from the course of this debate. You know there's a lot of coroner's there was no progress page at the end in nineteen our. Department's. I don't local Major League game from a few years ago if exactly senators reads it another question. Oh it. But that it. And I think that there was ready to speed up we'll get in the batter's box that's that they need to do. Or to answer yes no questions years ago but there were there are moments in which I think to myself okay trump has blow off steam but he's not now. This certainly people who are will be surprised that they. Make it through fields I think deputy Rand Paul did not help them off Scott Walker got more I answer clobbered disappeared Scott Walker's gone from leading. To Dana middle packed into being very low coming in here and he had to have a break out session yet not. He disappeared I think he sewed up and realized that he would at the felled by minute of the lead in this. If you want to sound great work quickly and Dubuque needs are saying you know this president's bill the American public and when you have to actually answer a follow up question. Then at the scene where the not your thoughtful well I think people whether they seized president told his story earlier about print money thing you know Scott Walker got rockers the guy if you fly into Milwaukee. And. Walk in you spot a subway you get out of the subway you walk intake and I speak if this manager Scott Walker walks up to the table. You that grow them garbage. What are so I don't know they disregarded my opponent. Oh Graham and her friend. There aren't a lot of friends and I out of France this kind of friend of mine who worked for bush program. This problem he sort of became he became non. Nondescript and of course he's so it's. May and of course you can get up all kinds are all kinds of day. Apparently happened arts awkward couple months ago in the green room DC. And it hound affirms its mostly right. Lovely couple in a we talked about the Packers he talked about. Like in the midwest arts and meet with people fast I think you can apply way absolutely I don't. After you go midwest you never go back at least I don't what once that he's really good person that the across the board. With the exception of for RB Donald Trump I think most of that weight acted reasonably good individual people. But the problem is. You couldn't be more than just a good person in order to be electable or in order to be seen as a rebel leader. That's the interest in Spain in you know I've done of the number presidential campaigns have not got out of that business but one of the things that you realize that people want is the one they want somebody they can relate to him. But simultaneously the American public wants some Natick and look up to. Right they want to me that they they all that person understands what I'm going through with happening in my life. But he's not necessary exactly like needs somebody that I can look up to right there might be a hero Barack Obama and his first campaign. Did extremely well he was very relatable but he has also somebody that people perceived as a bit better than themselves. It helps you have also Carly Atlanta woman and talk about we'll talk go through this but. As we each said it. Carly I thought was the big winner tonight just like she was the last time. I think she's gonna rise in the polls but one exchange and I think was very important as her first real exchange with doubt jump over his comments in Rolling Stone. About look at her faith nuclear take a look at that. It's interesting to meet mr. trump said that he heard Mr. Bush very clearly. And what Mr. Bush said. I think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trust so his. For. That was that was a 152. Gags. It would you know I'm not sure if she was prepared for that question and but man does he even had a muddy sought answers just. Did mr. Li attack him directly. But from a way to rally women behind her. Without calling into the fact that I must be no running for president he was very smartly done and it was against the one who. Her comments they it is over he won't you who is east and martyrdom to handle a Smart woman. That's what I said he's never really dealt with a Smart strong woman except maybe in a way antagonistic way I think the thing that was really. Really pointed about that is that she was probably prepared in some way for that. To deal with that because she knew him in controversy but she took a previous answer that he had an exchange that she he had just add. With Jeb Bush. And you wrap that in which is that it want it's hard to do because you're in the moment the stresses and to take that observe it listened to it and then use it about this very effect she hasn't. Quality about her that. Hillary Clinton would love to half. Which is its ability to still come across as presidential also approachable and friendly in identifiable. There are things about Hillary's personality when a large scale. That register as robotic and they do not in the same way with Carly she comes across for some reason as very likable sort of yet I. She can build she is a bit of a blank slate obviously with the American public because the American public doesn't fully know our. Other than these moments she said the American public has seen Hillary Clinton for 25 years a lot of that is baked and that's one of the advantage currently has. And in the moments it's one of the things about great politicians. Is when the big moments they get big just like an happily they are not what they want the ball she looks like she wants the ball. You know who didn't want the ball who already one of the ball was Jeb Bush us. He sorely tried hard Friday here's a few moments he Saudi comments from. About as wise. And if it is sort of light present Obama in the in the Red Line with the theory you know once you drop a line do it has crossed. You gotta go man or otherwise to democracy you have the with a bit weaker than what you want them to think you. He try to come hearted ads from over his wife and well can be Seaver. Already your family just design an hour to subject my wife into the middle of raucous. Political conversation was completely inappropriate and I hope you apologize for that don't well I have to tell you I hear phenomenal things he worked as a lovely look you guys yelling no matter at this is you totally out of my items went right here when I apologize for her and I want right now because I said nothing wrong but I do here's -- here's lovely woman. Thought it. That actually told us that tale of two things are gonna tell with a tale. Have Jeb was trying and rightly so and he's trying to get his energy and strength not and the interest in one of the answers was when asked him what code name. The Secret Service he said Eveready because it has a lot of energy. So he tried to bring it I just think it's not in him. If you guarded so what do you need to apologize to my wife who sit right there and he says no I'm not gonna do that he eats and leaves look at you know. And physically confront him it did not gonna do verbally. I would've I would've easily stepped I would have actually step towards him in XT. When but my wife. How large wondering if you look at what you're stepped up for jump to light. And everybody and I don't do that and he was like okay if they do apologize if it's a TARP wrapped. Click on each of content wise like. Out of a little blood sport or something like that occurs in the Mexican American it was like an absentee or rip become intimate. And you didn't meet and spend enough time looked at him to confront him morning it will come up with at. So at least so trial was that trump was a big. Player in the first debate the first forefront questions were about but I thought trumpet with and I thought champ came away. Who haven't lost this debate how much impact it has probably some but not why it could be dramatic in the course. I thought the biggest. Probably head. With all of these mannerisms facial expressions. Even his energy and energy and sizes them seem smaller and he actually certain to become. Eddie his base his third shrugs. When I know we have a series of them I actually somebody on Twitter you come in camera can come in. And take take a look at this. It's the series of at 1102. Deal with a series of his expressions and facial expressions. That's it's said that the person rep Donald Trump just Ed did every MOG faced on your phone and seven seconds. And I did that that those are those are takeaways that voters remember. He was the one candidate perhaps increased the who physically move deserve the debates link they commit whole you know as we and I think you. You've sought out onstage a lot of people forgotten you 166960. Now allowed to forgot that he'll be seventy next year in the course of the campaign and you forgot because of all the bomb bot that Bethany. And I eat sort of saw his age right and he started not a good way. But it's OK to show age if his candidate for security as maturity but what good is this an old tired and aren't sure our community reported you know. Parents are in the NL west of redmen group of the lovely lady like that I think. Carly rises yes. Donald drifts a little bit down my guess is Scott Walker's folks are having a meeting about when he might want to get out of this rate that's my opinion they're gonna have to have figured out when he Jeb is probably. The problem but Jeb gets the ball just because he he exceeded bad expectations the I think because the bump because. There were there were moments in which he was trying to engage trial. And while he didn't come across the strongest. He's certainly came across as the most rational. And I think there are a lot of people who were announced and the process okay. Who's electable general elect a net and I think case if you took case I think case can rubio actually did fairly well they didn't have a lot of time and the third primate. Do you tell investors were program promise because banners one more time. That's not a state that's Bruno rubio do. We but I thought case it was somebody. That is at it very electable general election candidate. But is almost as if he's relevant running in the Republican primary for fifteen years ago it's not the thing it's not is daddy's earth is all Iranians are regular Republican Party no no it's not an anti. Think that. Will be as someone who writes that the two themselves an independent who operates in that space both both Roberts. Four years ago I was ready to vote for John Huntsman. You know there was seems to be a bounced I could deal with. And you know I remembered having rectal sort of breakfast meeting with them and total we're going dude. Late you were like my guide. Which price meant that you had a shot and I look at cases intimidate I can vote for an overview as Eddie Lovie. He probably needs that exposes a threat you you you haven't aside NASA William fortunate because I don't believe there are a lot of people like us who like this that. In all of America we don't want to expand the government by eighteen trillion dollars which you know reporters Bernie Sanders play at. You know that's as we setter that's the bad that's the the bad thing about this process. Is is that we may have two candidates emerge from both parties. That don't actually turning to actually popular with the majority of the country right at the where independents are which is why the four province one of the greatest threats this country is a two party system which is why we need another party which I believe in will see going forward I believe another party have a shot. And right and up next year where that depends on what who abuse please of that and mark find him we'll go look for. Source says how are her uncle for her and for her at which speak out her. The most ridiculous statement you know before we go of the whole nights and be with talk about the ten dollar bill. Do have to talk about rules of parkinson's. Nothing. I was mostly from development architectural moments ago. About black people. Or as well as they talk they talk more about a Kentucky Clark made that they did about civil right exactly. I have a house party to welcome it. Two women that don't even live in this country never even lived in this country because they don't know him equipped him with open Wimbledon and about with great it was Rosa Parks years or somebody else. Who's Smart woman as you. Mine is either Rosa Parks. Eleanor Roosevelt. Alex Allen wrote about the power you'd like these elections in the indefinitely rules parks. And in Whitney Houston. Bill. The way news. Right now I bucket station I explained it she handed a that's there. You open that fate and we don't know figures swept under the normal outfit killer weed from Rick it can't you ideology or any cats. If you had broke apart failure. When a ten dollar bill who wouldn't be. And current pop thing when you're Robson who report Corcoran. I'm kind of Backstreet boy election boards to get all ten of orbits and dollar bill I don't know I'd go for a country thing I can. Darted pardon. You see fit on a ten dollar bill woe. Did I do head shot in the head shots at all kids. I don't know what part your put that she be on a two dollar bill for weeks but we're not. But to look into to finally be limited to undergo. What is the Michael we have a dot I that I sort of it's a dollar bill. Black Michael. Those in the great talking to you man.

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