Transcript for Do ISIS and Ebola Threaten the Homeland?
Trending right now, our Facebook find of the week. What's burning up news feeds? A high stakes face-off over the Isis threat. California congressman Duncan hunter alleging members of the terror group were apprehended trying to sneak across our southern border. I know that at least ten Isis fighters have been caught coming across the Mexican border in Texas. A stunning claim. But is it true? Not according to the homeland security secretary. We have no credible specific intelligence to that effect. Let's not unduly create fear and anxiety. But hunter insists he's right. His spokesman firing back, it makes sense that the left hand of the dhs doesn't know what the right hand is doing. It's been that way for a long time. Did congressman hunter go too far with his new claim? Let's take on our Facebook find of the week. And the roundtable is here. Bill kristol, editor of "The weekly standard," democratic strategic donna Brazile and ABC political analyst Matthew dowd. Welcome, everyone. No one seems to have any evidence to back up hunter's claims. Is he just seizing on people's fears? They're pretty high this morning. Yeah, they're very high this morning. And I don't want to conflate the two things with ebola and this, but many times fear doesn't have to be real to be powerful. And in the context of it, we don't often have to have facts to back up our fears. We respond to our fears. Everybody has the right to say what they want to say but they have the responsibility to say what maybe they believe to be factually correct. The congressman says he believes it to be factually correct but with terrorism and as you say with the ebola thing, we should counsel our fears and look for the fact sets. Let's -- a quick comment from both of you about the fears of ebola this morning. This is a pretty serious major development that really is going to scare people. Well, the president said it's a national and security priority and I think the administration has been right to try to contain it in Africa and also to put in place real strong measures here with the five airports to screen passengers coming from these affected countries, but we have to do more to make sure that we don't invent more fear. Airports enough? Look, I mean you and I watched that press conference this morning. That was not reassuring and I don't mean to blame people who are operating under a lot of pressure, public officials who are trying to adjust to changing circumstances but one doesn't have the feeling they're ahead of the curve. One has the feeling they're running to catch up and spending too much time telling us don't worry, we have it under control and we did this, this and this over the last week instead of being honest about how little they know and I'm afraid how much potential there is for real bad things to happen. And let's turn to Isis, as well. We've been hearing for many months now that the air strikes and you heard general Dempsey say that, you know, they have been contained and degraded. But where does this go from here? This is a pretty serious development, all this with Al anbar and kobani. Yeah, I don't even know that we've degraded some -- little bits -- parts of Isis. I wish we degraded more but they're on the offensive. That's the big, unfortunately, the big picture. A couple months ago the president of the United States said we're taking on Isis and we'll degrade and destroy them. Two months later they are threatening genocide and the Syrian border and more strategically they have opened up a huge supply line from Syria almost to Baghdad. They apparently were going to have a free run into Baghdad it we hadn't deployed apache helicopters this. This is not fixed wing aircraft. We basically are engaged and for the president to still resist saying, okay, we need to send real troops in there to win this, I think is a little mystifying. And what happens if as colonel ganyard was stating and general Dempsey was certainly implying I think you send in ground controllers on the ground real combat boots according to the definition that president Obama has. Well, boots are already on the ground. It's just a question of whether they're wearing loafers or boots or tennis shoes. They're already on the ground. Or barefoot. Yeah. This highlights a bigger problem. We constantly are debating the tack continues of what we should use for Isis or in the midst of Africa. Is president Obama using the right ones or not? And republicans say he's not using the right ones or needs to use more. We really need to paint the strategy, the broad strategy, our foreign policy strategy and what does our foreign policy vision -- Use of drones. The American public does not think we have a real foreign policy vision, and I think that's a debate we should have, not tactics. And, donna, this week we saw another of president Obama's former cabinet members, this was defense secretary Leon Panetta come out and criticize the president. Let's listen. The first four years and the time I spent there, I thought he was a strong leader on security issues. But these last two years, I think he kind of lost his way. Has he kind of lost his way? No, look, the president's elected a great group of advisers, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, Leon Panetta and many, many more with strong experiences, I mean, they came to the table with strong opinions, with great experience and there's no reason to suspect that Leon Panetta who after all left the Nixon administration because president Nixon wasn't enforcing civil rights strong enough, he criticized president Clinton in his administration as omb director. Leon Panetta is a very honest public servant. And he said a lot of great things about president Obama in that 512-page book. I haven't read it all, bill. Sorry. Watching football too much but you know what -- Me too. Yeah. But they know what parts people will read. They know what parts are interesting. To cherry pick out the bad stuff, but he said when it comes to making bad decisions, he's thoughtful, he's deliberate. He says he's helping the president. Look, it is very damaging, not just politically but really worrisome from the country's point of view that Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates all have basically cast a vote of no confidence in the president's current foreign policy. They want to say in the first term they were able to keep some of the president's inclinations in check, but now he -- I do think in the last couple of years the world has gotten more dangerous and Leon Panetta deserves credit for telling the truth. This puts a bad thing on who will you hire in the future? If you write books while you're in the president's office it doesn't set you up well for the future of who you want in your office. You don't talk -- You need a prenup. Yeah, a prenup or better vetting at least.
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