Roundtable: This Week in Politics

Rep. Keith Ellison, Bill Kristol, David Plouffe and Carly Fiorina on 'This Week.'
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More analysis from bill kristol, congressman keith ellison, and david plouffe, and carly fiorina. Former chair of hewlett-packard, former candidate for senate in california. Bill, you were up with the chairman as well. Agree with the assessment? Yeah, actually. They were high morale. They were high morale, because whatever you think of the details, deciding who moderates debates, they're fighting. They're not rolling over the way the establishment guys would want them to and the liberal media would like them to, like a dog that rolls over to get its tummy petted by the media and everyone feels good. They're fighting back. It's a sign of a more spirited republican party. As were the debates internally. They were in a good mood and they have a right to be. Fighting back against the white house and democrats, but with each other. The chairman talked about the field organizers. 160 people in this big country is not very much. They don't have a product to sell. You can hire 10,000 people to win the presidency in 2016, 2020, they are facts, not opinions. They have to grow the vote with hispanics, suburban women, younger voters, the growing asian communities. They're not rehabilitating. They're re-trenching after the election loss. I don't see any evidence that in terms of their appeal, what are they going to say to the voters? Immiion, it's not just the latino community, it's younger voters too. We have advantages with the latino community on issues like health care and immigration. But until immigration reform gets done, the republican party is not going to be heard. They're fighting amongst themselves. That's almost a bad thing. The spirited -- I agree, that's a good thing to have. After november, the republican party has to rehabilitate a little bit to address demographic challenges. They're not rehabilitating, they're doubling down. One of the big one is women. Mitt romney won married women, but lost single women by almost 50 -- 46 points. How do you turn that around? We have to turn it around by having reasonable discussions around the things labeled extreme. A very simple example. First of all, not everyone in the republican party is pro-life, I am, but there are many pro-choice republicans. When governor perry pushed forward legislation in texas to ban abortion after 20 weeks, it labeled as an extreme move. That's five months. Five months. There are only four countries in the world that have -- that legalize abortion after five months, china, north korea, canada and the u.S. It's actually not a particularly extreme position to say a woman needs to have a choice up to five months. Then there has to be a medical reason. But it got cast as a very extreme point. I would be willing to wager that there are many, many single women who are pro-choice, who say you know what, five months soundssonable to me. I think part of the republican party's challenge is to not fall into the trap of having issues cast the way our political opponents want them cast, and be willing and courageous enough to have the debate. On our terms. There's also a strain in the republican party, aces where you agree with rand paul on issues of foreign policy. Cutting off aid to egypt. That creates real divisions inside the republican party. I agree. They have to talk about how to solve problems for americans. What's going on with jobs? I voted to not repeal obamacare 40 times, but they haven't put forth a plan to make sure we've got affordable, accessible care for every american. At the end of the day, they have to have a program that americans can say that's going to help me and my family. That's not what they're doing. They're talking about process angy, but you have to stand for something, and they stand for obstruction. This is the big show this fall between the white house and the republicans in the congress. The congressman brings up obamacare. A faction says we don't fund the government unless obamacare is de-funded. It seems clear the leaders in the congress don't want that. And you have been advocating a slightly different approach, saying don't de-fund obamacare, delay it. Just one thing, chris christie is a governor of a blue state, he's been effective, scott walker has been effective, he's going to get re-elected. He's effective. There are plenty of other republican governors doing well. Where they're governing, they do well. Maybe better than president obama. I don't want to shock you. Let me invite you -- they don't govern. Make you're not aware of that. They don't have both branchs. Thank god they have the house. They can stop you guys. They have failed to pass -- they -- they failed on numerous. Senate democrats have done so much. The senate democrats stepped up. I disagree. It's clear -- you should call them and help them out. Let's go back to jobs. The question, in ten seconds, I think there's a middle ground between saying to de-fund the whole thing or shut down the government and doing nothing. There's a substantive case for delaying things like the individual mandate and the exchanges. Republicans need to make that case. A lot of democrats and democratic governors are nervous. Any changes? And at some point, they need honesty. The debate thing. It's foolish. For a party that wants to reach out, we're only going to debate essentially on fox, it's going to skew that whole process -- they didn't -- george -- maybe abc. One second. Why are you afraid of the debates? I'm not afraid. The stage is to secure the republican nomination is going to cause huge problems in the general election. It happened with mitt romney and will happen in '16. Governor christie would be a potentially strong candidate. Probably the kiss of death with me saying it. In 2016, someone like him can't win in my opinion. I do not agree with that. But let me go back to david's point, we don't have a product to sell. Let me talk about young people for a moment and jobs. Unemployment among youth is at historic highs in inner cities as well as people coming out of college. And there is nothing that is appealing to a young person about the solution to every problem being a large, bloated bureaucracy that can not be held accountable and who's budget continues to rise year after year. The democrats have a single product, which is let us centralize decision-making, let us create a government program to solve a problem. What we're seeing, whether it's the irs or the debate about national security, we cannot hol these -- hold these bureaucracies accountable, we don't know what they're doing. They're ineffective. With the rollout of obamacare -- people don't care -- they care about a job. They don't have one right now. The republican majority in the house is obstructed at every turn. It's so easy to blame the republicans. I'm there every day. They are in charge of the national government. Skpfrmt. And you know what, under obama the jobs picture has been brightening, not enough. But not with any republican help. You might want -- with pure obstruction from the republicans. But I want to point out, that building our nation's infrastructure which would help jobs is actually a good thing, the president has proposed, and the democrats have supported it. Republicans need -- it didn't work. Republicans -- it didn't work. Is implementation of obamacare hurting or helping? Just a question. Do you think there will be more jobs -- if obamacare were delayed, you don't think that would help job creation in small businesses? I think it would help jobs to get 30 million more people access to health care. Help those people, improve their lives. We certainly will. In states that have embraced it, we are doing fine in states that have embraced it. In minnesota, we are proud of the exchanges. The uninsured -- why did the president delay the employer mandate? Because the employer -- it would help jobs. Why would he delay it? The big solutions which need flexibility. So delay the individual mandate too. The problem is that there are -- those exchanges are set up perfectly? When young people sign up -- that's the test of whether it works. This is the question I want to bring to david plouffe. THE DEADLINE ON OCTOBER 31st. The government funding runs out. But also you begin to sign up people for the exchanges. It is true that if people don't sign up, it's not going to work. I find it ironic, the criticism of the president and the party is we never listen to business. We dictate. We give business a little flexibility, it's the worst. It doesn't make any sense. I think the republican party is going to pay a big price three or four years down the road. What they have said about obamacare is not going to come to pass. It's not going to kill the economy, people will have more choice, costs are going to go down in many respects. People will have access to preventive care. They have set themselves up with a dangerous trap door here. But let's look at immigration in terms of jobs, right now immigration reform has been analyzed to create a lot of jobs, bring down the deficit. I agree. Okay. I agree. But you're not -- I know, but I think -- aside from the politics, it's the right thing to do for our economy. It's -- by the way, you need 20 house republicans, 25, you could pass it tomorrow. This is a debate for these two. Two wings of the republican party. You believe it's good for the economy, you believe it's better politics and policy to deep-six immigration reform this year. To deep-six the actual bill? Absolutely. It's a big government bill that will damage working class and middle class americans. I'm not for it. You can be for immigration reform without being for this 1300-page bill. The issue is how does something get done? Okay? I think there is widespread agreement in the american public and the republican party we need immigration reform. I also think there is an opportunity, as you said, we need to make things better, well, let's make the bill better. Let's do the things we need to do to make it work. I want to go back to the point about health care. If anyone oversold obamacare, it was president obama. He laid out a set of goals, a set of promises about what this bill would do, and not a single one of them is coming true. In fact, just the opposite, insurance premiums are going up. They can't keep the insurance plan. It actually is hurting small business. There's a sets of proof points that are causing the american public to say you know what, this program is not what i thought it was. We have to take a break. That's not true. In the states setting up the exchanges, rates are lower than expected. Millions of kids with health care, paying less for prescription drugs, women getting preventive care. And next year people cannot be denied insurance based on pre-existing conditions. These are fundamental changes good for the country and the economy. Big showdown this fall. One more roundtable coming up.

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