LZ Granderson: I had to reconcile my faith with my sexuality

Amna Nawaz interviews LZ Granderson on this episode of "Uncomfortable," and Granderson gets candid about living his life as a straight man before he made the decision to come out as gay.
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But one thing that I learned from him was hard work you know people make fun of me for like. Work in nineteen jobs accusers bitten our home but really gushes when a group around everyone around me were extremely hard workers are home. They were children or sometimes direct descendants from the migration. And of course openers there may that we are looking for Bert where lifeless racism. And they brought that work ethic with the Anderson and most of which are uncles their multiple jobs in my own house. Even though it was full time job anytime there was arbitrage were over time he took this as a chance to get break you know. And so I can end here Tibet through osmosis none so he was taught to me which is observed. Europe being was important family. Again. I despise the man right. The family unit was very important to recant his family. Hussein was Schumer moms who hand in everyone knows. In March Carol ME group and in the new dark ages kind of documentary recently spears. US plan to cast. He was risky like a year. And Monica home when I met him. America so our first on for. Both. It. If you think. These sports. Accuse me. It. So. Called. Shoe. Uga should. So ago in the castor. One. A work. Week because he should. So. The so it was Monday or Tuesday and so we were to weekend for you. It. He. So I was like Artest or picabo. And the meter that we can. And grow this is Casper. He's. I know you build a few days. Your story before I think that is for that is much terrific and we right. That sort of suspect art if it's like like I've marched. To the antiquated arms its network journalism students. But if we're to place these are the Uga he can work so. She suspects things. You've you've found your voice it's that I mean UN and journalists and use you developed a voice that was all your own and a single people coming to come into contact with you work in any number of ways and hundreds of thousands of them senior Ted talk to you when you talk about the myth of the the gay agenda. Which drew international you have a right to back into when he twelfth right acts and you you're sort of half joking but also there making some very serious points about the way we talk about it. Gay culture that exists a gay lifestyle. As if it's one monolithic thing. But how where did you get that link which friend Mike were you exposed to. To any individuals growing up without a conversation he had with your feet me. How did that sort of come to her right. It's it's really interest because. You know even now I've been out for. But I can I still go through mowers which I go back and reprocess. Life when cause stress being younger. You definitely younger under fifty. Because it allows me will want a sign. And so are always warrants be careful to make sure going to use words inclusive and that he felt the need to tell me anything. Not a sexual orientation engine into the just anything that the language that was used in the house managers around him and directly towards them. Was inclusive sleep tokens of who's always talks because there wasn't always the cakes for me that was part of the reason why appropriate because. Wasn't as serious inroads colony uniquely. But the waited adults around me we're talking surgical sexuality informed me. It was viewed and that's dictated where there are sort of want to assure parents had to think about it. And harsh crystal. So it wasn't so that we use slurs. But because it was talked about in the harsh purse secret. Only acting the secret. So I just assumed it was me you know my mom's favorite phrase mercenaries covers shouldn't think. Announcers like who worked until you can. Hundred feet but an hour just observe the man who has shouldn't tankers like. RO. Bounce with me. And and Sherman tank in terms of a car. Not a silly goofy. So vettori interpreter said he had to slurs yeah. But I heard some respects Earl. No my mom two years later we'll tell you that. Should immediately negative about it and has been my experience a lot of people don't meaning they are you know the use the slur influence at their need anything negative despite people who were friends in the Washington football team. He said hey you know that one word it's youths learn this offense from that Americans over NASCAR grew up there's no tomorrow with it. You know very very culpable through their world view not willing having the empathy to hear someone else's interpreting embracing worth beans. So I'm Obama today and we've had this consolation. Match is Tony with Steve Cheshire girls in the reference. She like she could marry there goes consequences. But growing up he felt like this is not something should be oh absolutely not but. As they sit and look back ago or where. I didn't really like to do so parents because of the plot. Or the car through different wasn't an easy. That would. Do. What's always. It was Luke did you go back to you look at all the way to the some bases. If you look at all right Hollywood crisis he pleases. And I was young and affluent as close if Tom will use. Soul so. It's and I can. Break. Chicago. Tom will simply do. Was in the cast. So it's my report on norms aren't the answer be good for you he says she is biblical because. Uniform you raised the Borough blow them. I defy we've even about. I you don't your sobriety Agusta so afraid of immigrants but. Lose Duquesne or State's computer Mercosur. Oh owners. Resents that this murder which could relive my Hughes. Who Tom were OPEC but some yet these things spectacle it RO. This was a crush Michael for good times there was of course like going oh. These were crushed as I just in how the vocabulary. To actually know what you want to recognize our right exactly so what was that like for Ewing came. Com and it was a long process Matthew Broderick. Since in the territory again the movie that he was towards song trilogy. Chris Cooper who'd like fears. It's like the movie I wouldn't. Know but. It's. Still an affront to. A hollow cry it was his superiors. There's reasons movie. Economic growth or would experience during now he's no earthly clue. Oh. Ago. And that. We began the process for me saying. This might be who you how old are you are. Maybe sixteen at this point seventy may be I wasn't a senior high school OK because I remember streamers seen a year. With that war sensation. Of feeling better awareness and you know made high school as you can imagine. Tricky especially because. Armor sides article titles or drugs. As part of being there again. You talk about it kind of looming over the was it like a fear it was like. Did you recognize. In in in yourself something that you just wanted to deny our reefs a pen if they are all our. I was definitely writing it. Every step of the way and I have the hugest crush. Huge business are accused terrorists Greece and earnings and it. Whose name was Charles. Charles I don't know Charles Bierbauer are hunting but opponents are regional government programs without a virtual. Rome. Britain he certainly. Room. Exhibited behavior that one would equate withstood two calls. And so cute in funny and charming and huge crush. See. Each us. Parched purple turns. Because he was reminder of course were. Where it's. Pretty similar to a politician. You know any authoring bills. Inventory to BT's significant matters star. My main actress. Was very very means so what does it was gloomy scene it was like that I couldn't. I couldn't engage in the world. Three sort of where is very particularly. House. All because Stan. Straddling two worlds in it was serving the warrant which touched a high school friends activities whose sports Anson. All sorts of music experience experimenting where you know. Oh by the way studio. And gambling. Hall. So it wasn't and so shoe. This is news as part of Baghdad it was considered. Hand. So I'm Stearns two worlds internal matters century should. And a morsel. Still ruling home. Is. Because even though that his group uses. Remnants of these. When I got into college. I got out of house and and was able to leave that drugs are trying to harm. Start programs are these some. Rumblings of city and and kind of have a chance to. Cure fresh perspective from the world home. I Stewart news that. Sexual orientation words not something to be sheer braced world seeking a home again. You know the language that you hear around you think he heard growing. Or and the PC unit courage and currently makes up at this point. I'm the worst organization used slurs and so can only. Be I was fortunate because going to be a big guy. I'm Fredricka wasn't sports so apparently suspected. A time where I mean it was terrific targets so use. Can I mean I won't DD DP supposed to be easy to do some management to drown me. And get a start it. I think drownings are good that sort of way to imagine what it's like and you can see. Here. You know he could. I don't strategy can. You know but you have this this albatross around you scored. Through rookie camp fully agree can be use. And those advocates for me. I'm so happy. To see young people calm down. Reason. And two or more years or younger circle please you have an idea your question here engine. It's like real world where there's is free to express that's beautiful souls before. College. Because of that congress became the place where affirmed its street and corporate it is okay. Started with initiatives. Export beans partner. It's very personal problems which I really how you came today with learning through woods quickly movies that the main thing and a rigorous bright. From being prize which on stories that. Could mean being prime issue wondering okay I'll expect something in her home. And are doing the nation and throws down the nation of Islam until then. Thorough. There was a lesson to teach in terms of Horrow home blackened right people started. Out in terms of gracious yeah. In. Americans. This personal decrees OK there were. There is a scientist. Laboratory in Africa. He is you know this immediately immediately. And at least in liked him so we. Should race came he. When I heard about it. I'm working on a room right. We all good. You gotta find out who is due. The laboratory in Africa the humane way to recoup. It. And when I realized they wrote what you are and your pencils and open OK and nonchalant and it was not. Like iTunes so willing to sort of like he has been a I can't go work the some applicants sent me but I can't keep an eye candy. Use could so. Its work. So I'm I'm doing theater actually ended up in comments made theaters are scarcer. During this great community theater in the summer. And true story. So goes and uses. Sorts. I mean you're likely due care. You wish you good good. Social chorus wrote in a Medicaid. I just what a strike or friendship experts. Such as wanna be held you know. And he happened to be either Christian. And so he's talking about his filly. Hasn't checking him out. Didn't realize he's a choice. Either acute Fridays and KO. Or. I don't give life to Christ we're trying to sort of the one of the quarterly. Analysts are reluctant circles. Where our browser projects. That we met the woman in the way no we actually it's school she was removed she was it religious well okay should be mentioned that before yes and he heard from Abu. Have aspirations of being administered Sorgi grew up like that and so once I get answers of our marks thirty in my faith in. It was a reserve my attraction to him. Dissipated altogether yeah but Vinny was shifted. Tourists BI need to pray this away. And a heavy vehicle which to get better because this was a sickness. That dark cure so that became a mentality. And I was dedicated. I moved in with my pastor. Read the Bible. Every day for ours. I fasted. And he's in terms week. And and worship and honor. Obviously hoping that he world. McKee street but then also because it was part corporate practice in which the community of Christians are. Eventually the room with elevators were youth minister and the church. And we expect. Eventually got engaged and married. My wife who obviously was very happy that now rock star Jesus who. We never shared any of that inner turmoil in any. He's you are. Not a runaway struggled with privately international struggle with the private we can which is assumed to be dedicated Christian and that there were shrew related knows exactly why so dedicated. And when he gets appointed wished Burton was too heavy deterrent to overcome. I began to assure customers struggles and importantly towards excellence programs programs designed to help you pretty scared away. Through a series prayers rituals and knees and shifted with pastors shared it with my wife we prayed. And prayed fast it. Worked really a Republican conference understand evangelical Christian party to. We have proposed he. So. I go to a different church. And loan holding demons through with me. Aren't where we're going right back in today's program ready you know you're not going to be with me because I'm straight god may be street in the previous. So I told my source of Paris were doing we're working youth ministry and pan. In or choose cuts are point and rich. Right who's pregnant. We are due to register a graduate school when. And I've come to realize I don't think taxes. Pray away. I think this taxi who. Moment with just one moment was one moment where that time. It was difficult because it was a really easy sort of a room. The question to ask us. Eve of a god that I love and worship. Hate speech so much. He would put this bird in. Slowest in the rest my life in misery. Or what I've been told our Mike and since my sorrow isn't true. And I don't think you need to be a Christian. To realize. That if you truly believe him all loving home guard. He would not want you here she year old creator however you want Fraser would not want to see. His child. And that kind of pain. For the race cars what lesson is there to learn from. And so I had to you know reconcile my faith. Spirituality. So right I did what I always do story. Educating blacks started digging into descriptions in the Christian scriptures. The girl on her front go to barking James. Scenario like this freely he was always around and he was forced to marry her fifteen year old girl who are prone. Should you Orioles he was free. Agree he nearly. Parikh of our flight risk. All of that is keep this period we slide you know about the north and could no Wednesday is because the couldn't bear sons. And day he's the one that has Bible translated because catholicism wouldn't allow him to get divorced actually Chamberlain Chris Iannetta to be held tomorrow. But that was. But if I hear you. Arturo. You have deep didn't wait don't. And a good look at mango could've maybe got word. Bill. He's. That there consequences here. Yes I am not you're gonna try and make it sound as if I came out and everything works like rules. It was painful it was awful. First of all. I can I don't know what is right for our other men or women whom. Hard Gator lesbian. Kid Mary and then realized or not can be partly where care. Get divorced but for me it was awful. Because. She with someone I grew up where. And I very much work to be. Very humorous. So to break her heart. Took me years it was harder for me to get over breaking her heart that it was too excerpt V. That's hard work so it was pure. Rice earn. Was a motivating factor for becoming. Because I knew a warning to be forthright host any problems contribute to society. In this hearts and parent that when your currency living in this life and you're drowning in front of them every second half field. On wasn't greats who you know sorrow is turning I think parents strange environment I don't exactly. Track and I want to be super created. Obviously when you grow do you skid. You can go one to raise you the current user Rico in the side and he's started to speak Lavin. Honey it's apparently. In so I wanted to be as open arms. Parts we just have like thirty prepping a consolation curriculum. It was recently felt like yeah that's all the athletes on the front of a great relationship that weren't fortunate thank you Carl. But it it took the freedom to just be yourself to say that's good looking guy and not. He fearful. It's it's wonderful and it's something that heterosexual people take for granted it has something to any person. Who's part of a group that's in power who takes for granted freedom wherever you're Christian in America Euro write -- America with your heterosexual America. You know whether you're able party in in America there's certain things that we take for granted and it's not there any fault her own as human nature. But there is another narrative are there that doesn't view the world same way carpet happy days. Meaning when happy days is probably wasn't happy Dave sort of but was happy days ago. That we look to go there and a great time. Meanwhile I'm going back does give us. Speaking of representation. You know in the last the last year really. There's been a lot of but popular teen issues movies in center and it. Get people talking more about what it means to BE in particular African American and in America. And how it's unique or different from other experiences and it with a light shows like. Lou my eight and we've talked about it during our Oscar coverage. And these terrorists are sons and Atmel her. But I went to take on that because I you know. Getting people talk around it some people kind of stirring up is cohesion is this something unique. In African American communities beans. A man and beans yeah. Well I don't need fuel is. The narrative of Arafat dynamic industries unique you know come and I say narrative because. I think there are leaders about a topic that don't get exports march 2 and that's it for connectivity to homophobia injured. On some of the U most homophobic beings that are parents of people are done and the guards are very. Just very he. For surprised. Me. Is that the religious justification X where. Discrimination. And yet you're wrong. The it is horrific and so. You begin to excuse is really party's remarkable. Within race. When you look at. Views. Same sex marriages. Different based generation you know different based department recently country different principals social experience to increase education. He began to see goals things plates in person to Chico was BT person. He realized that yes race. Is seen as you know. He agreed to brighter if you will. There is Kirk literacy through. In these actors who if you. Article two so you'd go to. Church. Eight. Oracle people speaking. Hands of people that's going to be as homophobic. Consumer nor. Reporter speaking terms and and to our hair. And our own world that's why homophobia so as compared with a little bit of niceness there's like no there's mr. inscriptions. Are going to hell. So if you are someone whom. Tends to think that black people but I can cute where it's because it won't lose in this plea historically in the black community. More foreign and announced you know some of our greatest so civil rights leaders Younes scriptures he used the pulpit. As vehicle's occupants so it's slay. But. It is simply because you groping neighbor. She's. Forming some. Action. Yeah. You. You went into sports writing in your career. Choices you loved sports and her dad and you. Upsets with them in your own words. What was that like for you with that you've talked about it before about being challenged checks and they're been you know recently there have been some conversations around and in particular professional athletes who've. It's easy to think that in the last five years that is some groundbreaking book. To come out and be a professionally but that's where we are right now they're still it's a very different world so what was that without experience like Rea. We're number one. I know I lost the number of charmer. To tease him. An obvious because it. So they told you yet he salute as the ninety's. Would order. It was your book in the ninety's when he brings to business and at that point it was pretty comfortable. To see things like our nets in the game. Exports matters. Worse time jobs. So. Would you deal until the edges sir thank you because. Reports. We're talking cream marriage and Hawaii. We're talking. Restore thinking person. Right it's. That's where we were free will and grace and uses. The country's very very pleased. And so. Or. He could do shoes and a whole. Song and should you your chance. I wouldn't write civic brokerages. Soared in the charm but could give. Us. And when the opportunity presented itself I would do sports stories are most sports writer. At my college newspaper was an issue. New. But where we can professional. Perhaps an opportunity to do stories do them. It's sort of peace. That way targets. In and and we started a new six newspaper. Axis and ends the editors had attacked me to beat writer. News. And I was really excited about it and I was like which is great. Response columns on prop coach entertainment. As that we shall also do sports because sports. News means. We've been chosen for these were families wise to be. They bought into it. Head of its ties cruel part way to Friday so closely teens. And writing features and doing stories. That rise beat it's it's. As you can imagine. To. Access to freeze. It. I there. Because. This sex. And power for. Sole game it was fun. Game and its. Enemy to market and was pretty cool. Ando media editor looks like licensees. Me Charles had to be throw us. It hurts most. And totem that used in the magazine's. So Sloan. They can spurred me. After each shot a certain way certain tone because. New York. Used to write those treatments. You can. Use. Slow. Sort of pitching stories. And after the world like your call me being. France's. We these stories are pitching in doing four's Rios. Should be. Should you know. An audience he. Sort it and it from opening interview. That's Michael. I'm case. Users need to know that so this is gonna stretch into crisis. He's in no front before you know we Thomas for a no answers garment cars it. Exists it is it is happy in Atlanta agreed to green family. So are good. And whose phones lines violence on. Children side right that you saves. There's no way to 2000 things will be different now he he can't just say stuffed in Michigan student arguments are because. You know obviously repellent mostly protein fourteen years ago. Eight you talking about how I was in the ninety's or if it strikes me it hasn't been that long. Since this country is at fault like breakneck. Speed. When it comes to what we considered to be inclusive city at least when it considered a BT right trade partner and and I don't I wonder how old. Yeah we've moved so quickly and so many of these issues where you think we are great now. Well I think we're perfect part Okie. Home grown person nation where we moved from. Legislating tolerance. To changing hearts and minds and trash. The emancipation proclamation. Car freed the slaves but they were free from racist. And so you can certainly make arguments as slaves. Jim Nugent crows two very much and an effective and that their racism that hindered their commune to the past. Stewart and his work today and a lot of social economic ways and his letter roots whoever to Iran's insistence consuming the argument but the point is that. We no longer feel as. The language and at home which we describe people who would marks rules acceptable because its not because of legislation. Because of change hearts and minds attract. The same thing when it comes to women's rights com. Discrimination was written into the constitution. I just braced for with gender. You're a not a Smart enough to vote. Or do meet the notion that you know we're now divided country is phenomenon up. Started this way. Was written this work. There's two Beers. We're trying to patch up some of the things our forefathers. Screwed arms. But through hearts and minds changed things women being in leadership roles women. Are inventing things warming apparently sending men into space if you seen the movie hidden figures. Those beans and form. People limited way and so you can't legislate that kind of change happened through time exposure so Rick the point now where. You know there's still some malls are obviously dead we need to interest are still more than thirty states in which you can. Get married revenge or TARP reference to sex or educate Perrier permits you go here. Combat muscular endurance and eviction notice. Subjects rich I still is very much a real thing. But we also needs beast and sights more on how we change hearts. Our buddy Neal who used to be president of mayor of Tempe Arizona. CEO of the census operations purchased power house. He's to say that phrase over and and it's a new world to really understand the magnitude. So. Changing hearts. And how'd you do that. Have in the cures for sports. School. And oh by the way. The things that has. Treated us US Cabrera. To conduct it starts reductions. This notion that. At the time that I did it ourselves and ask. This from Sweden. He's always hungry I was needs to Yurman taxi. Enemy. And a I think any Warren who has teenage child who say well. Special counsel Mary have not odor filled game. Ever daylight stuff that he has meant hero Charles messy and I'm grateful to disclose food or Tara no means means that connectedness and so. We used claims that the gay rights we're doing something totally different now that comes suspects we are doing something different news. But not by a great deal because instantly in the Q. That's an instant you remember I greet deal because it's in today such as the players exchanged words. Our kinds of people of different incidents all kinds of its European Arlington. I'm. I just. The minister just today. There are differences but those differences so minute. Even if you say it all we are you still do. Doing those things mean it says the differences says number are sold minute. We have this whole. Lexicon of humanity. Will be connects and we can just focus and that. The boogie man would do differently small small portion of that comes to BT issues. I ask you something that he talked about how it you know people's change their minds when they know people they see people that they can look up to intimately to. Being open and you know being proud of it and showing how are all the fame do you think we're going. We continue TK compare it with. Together as a responsibility. Fort people who have a platform. And a boy it's celebrities there are others. She'd be open about their sexuality for her like do they carry a greater weight than. I get asked his personal out. And as I've gotten. Older my views changed. So when I was younger. And Moody's sort of started this screen. Journalism and activism and I felt absolutely had an obligation to do. And then have to mention the lucrative broadcast storeroom reflected a mile. And realizing that. I came out at the exact point. That. Life would have been different for me if the world was more accepting. Or GBT people. Not necessarily because. When it came accuracy. I was ready. If you're ready. Then by all means come out. If you're ready you have Mars platform and culture by all means come out she. Only if you rent. They don't feel comfortable telling people what they should do with their lives. I only to a crawl from Tara in the impact. Of what the duke Americans. And then hopefully. Through that conversation she and experiences. Won't give an accurate to a spurt to cheer because you we are saving lives. My wife was definitely saved. You know by the work of bigger rust. Right right to work. Email terrorists. By the work of Martina Navratilova. These co pay. The people who. Groups realized that risk. To liberalize hopefully free and home for their own sanity. Are also being cute acutely aware of the impact on future generations. And so. Someone whose works to her. And our our platform. On ESP. Previous pro forma seen now with ABC. And I don't so defect on gay. Out there and eternal and television. But because of my freedom. I don't feel have to curtail language either I don't have to hide pronoun to an apartment working for Valentine's. Path to pretend as if we have write an our guy and swimsuit on television. Oh god you're. No no Michael. He. It. And just threw my presence. One. Allows people to see someone who's different from them. Doing something that we can do crossings where young people. Go to speakers are different. Stores closed. You where so many had to accomplished in so many different ways and I know that we could've had. We probably have more contradictions. But you can actually come back some time we have a lot of things we could talk about to evict him from vacation recently to keep talking like. We're pepper old country. This is is that the pitch that was happening can be uncomfortable insane and what's the next look is her life. Exactly coming up. Next our Carl's read articles or. I'm. Sincerely sincerely thank you for sharing does this one part of your story with irony. Particularly those pictures you can keep those those are on the house just trio. Thank you for listening to uncomfortable. If you like what we're doing taken minutes leave us the rating and a quick review it helps others define these conversations and we really just wanna hear what you think. Plus we made it easy just clicked on the link in the description of this episode. If you have an idea for a show topic for a gas lead in the reviews or tweet out. After the baathist that's an aide WA. DI FDA and quarry used to hash tag uncomfortable talk. 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