A Conversation Between Black Men: Does policy lead to change?: Part 2

"GMA3" co-anchor T.J. Holmes discusses the historical implications of government policies with Mike Muse, LZ Granderson and Paul Welch and how they affect Black people in America.
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Eight conversation between black man continues on ABC news life. Everybody welcome back here we continue our conversation here with Paul Hill the Mike TJ here have a co says there we went to break and their Mike you are you reviewed trying to dampen some false things. You know some above what you. You and Paul were both saying about about the bonus and I think will cause Lou into agility to is that we've had these conversations and silos we've had this conversation in a barbershop. I mean it. Look I'm here to hype but what Disney and I hear the hype up a BC but the fact that this is happening on on Walt Disney company on ABC we're bringing these uncomfortable conversations to the masses. And it is time that those who live in Iowa Nebraska move America see for black men have ranged Steve for a black man that lived experiences in here our troops. And have and be uncomfortable. Sitting in the living room as they we can't our stories. As they listened to and I moved into my new apartment in the west village the post office man told me. Oh yeah the new guy here then the next was his education stimulus check. Right so we have to stop that and they added that are comfortable. And she are paint you figure you two going to be awards and opera but it's your passion that it tripping over right it's how do we reconcile being a black man for twenty place you do live an existence. How we cram this into an hour work. The trauma that exists is real strategic put you at four rustic beards gathered in these uncomfortable it was not easy to have. In a rumor looking at white men behind cameras right. Knowing that white men a white women are upstairs in the control room but we have to sit here in our truth that's hard right. That is hard to do it to explain it in a new wants the way. To explain and it also intellectual. And get into Texas I was way but think the sake knob that this this this this religion and get right now yeah. I want. I wasn't going to share this story because. I was like why bother and also took Greg your fired. But I think is important to the conversation a problem be genuine apartment. It's also asked to help do a breakfast and mark program. From our radio station which is owned by Disney which has worked prompted their speakers are here which are saying. I think is important that the people who make decisions are Disney. And ABC and ESPN here this conversation to not just reviewers but those were in power deciding what goes on here. I was asked to a Black History Month program. And I presented a list of names like our will be pretty good guess. They fired back at me what we want to stick to sports because we don't wanna be too political. To which are responded to you even know the very existence of Black History Month it's political it's almost like with a point. I can tell exactly announcer here and it's not that I am I I thought about them as Omar guy I'm working for these racist people dorms embarked but wasn't bet he was recognizing. That you could be well intended. And want to do the right thing. And still not see exactly. What's wall. But their price was thinking over gun to his program because we want to have this conversation we just don't want should be make people comfortable if and it's like what we can't have this conversation if I have to worry about your comfort we want to make them comfortable. It is an editor of the Hulbert Princeton you're youth conference not my goal my goal is for you to be informed and culinary information if you become uncomfortable. We're back when you. Do you go back and to grow why needs beacon up and this way why the guest beaten up in this way makes you uncomfortable to have them. That you feel that's from you keep using the word trauma and look every every single morning after George Floyd died. I was in two years before I got on Good Morning America. And some people don't understand is the video wherever go through and write a story get rid you know this and then I have to stop for a moment now look at American my words together. What I must say on TV and that's when I broke down. Because we know right you talk about trauma. I have to watch some might it look like Miki execute on TV every single part that goes along with. Every ever since all the start happening. Everybody wants TJ can you be a part of this this conversation about race TJ can you come be a part of this diversity council TJ can you can't beat it didn't. It didn't it that's part of the trauma yes now I have to go walk you wolf through much trauma and live of that again and put it I still go back to if we don't do it. Then that's where the you feel obligated. To do that yet and that is just exhausting on the. Blackjack hit hard and I have to own that because it bottle till that story I'm not will be happy with the way somebody else mother told him. Right but that he gets your point is a reason why we can we have to stop sane adult see race. We had to stop say when live in a race blind society no. Because of your black prisons and at Bryant elbowed. As a what happens is we say I don't see race. That's the damage that's causing because Dorsey that this black men just witness last night execution. And you want him to give a presentation is about the financial stability of this company. Art like that alone it doesn't give us to space right to brief and that's how come the onus is on us all the times we get the stock saying. Let's be race Kudrow Lynn Cutler doesn't exist I don't think a lot of lives. I don't stuff that is live as soon to have problems like going on there's nothing wrong we will let you recognized and I'm black yep I want to zero in the lead to be the problem. As you recognize and I'm black and then adding a value has lifted here about investing there are quite fast that's probably jump Pleasanton isn't on the fact right. Everybody Moscow have been to a lot of beaches this litter were white folks want to get come nobody had the problem cult of the problem is the conclusion you jump to reduce the that level black man has beautiful yes there is right don't do assumed that I don't have the credit to. But that cause don't assume I'm not supposed to be in this neighborhood don't assume this thing my building that is the proper. Don't ask him unless they Lisette. The public that we are very happy about it very clear I don't look into parliament to right right now it's almost like a welfare check it's almost like I thought we only got into the classic ends I totally get I remember her. When I was first starting in media. Being told my agent to make sure was clean shaven because America we trust it clean shaven black man right. At the same time I'm watching America fall all over themselves over the park clarks out of all the white guys. On the desktop Celek going he's -- a milestone in space yeah. That's cool yes but if I were to grow facial hair. And also a messy issue it's a new loan time to get comfortable. We'll just want racial here because that exude in my head that people won't trust me because I would then look too much but the criminals don't blow your locks. Because you report the criminal don't grow facial hair because your reporter criminal you know meanwhile I'm looking at my counterparts. With pared down on her shoulders Frazier here all the while through and then being celebrated I'm like going. There appears to be a disconnect not once but your race is bruised from pretty rates is to me. Through pop culture reference you would become so that yet nobody may call it like the telethon. After telling who you're talking Iraq. Well it's your brother my that's. Football here we are rated. But what administration ends new administration in places we have news that woman of color vice president. A lot of people think that now we have turned some corner and that the country is now come back to. What Winick people are you saying they we will fight with a soul of the nation right. It's. Another thing yeah I don't. Where and Travis Howard Boulware are waiting now in policy in executive orders that have been signed that we do with prisons avenue with housing. What does that mean for us black man now supposed to feel what that we have another. And president it's. Music the borders are like a mostly appeasing him visa's new emotionally but it doesn't. Hold any weight yet the next administration could easily disk are. All that hard work and away from what the video of the war one in particular the housing and urban develop vis vis the order was to take a look. We met the policies that have been going on and then put things those not specific necessarily any other having to do prisons. That the federal government isn't lol any longer going to use private prisons OK to orders like that that makes you feel. Good did that Selig is it emotionally that makes him feel better but then what yet in the. You show and I stood and they're all season private contractors. As well so it's like you get rid of one private sector from private one section that's private to what are the other ones that benefit. Yeah I'd turn co bid operative populations were down by 15%. Yet phone calls going in and out of he's prisons rose by like 8% again so they're still making money. Dough even more money now that there's less prison Saddam let the population in the prisons are significantly lower yet we. We and not move past. Monetizing black and brown bodies for the benefit of white America. And while I see the good and what president Biden has done with his executive order because I do think it is an important step. But it's just a single stark. And I wrote an op Ed to Los Angeles Times you know basically saying congress needs to make this exact reporter the law. Two points that the next president whomever she or he happens to be doesn't come in to cycle can now we're back in this business again. Make you have been more difficult the way to the front and partisan candidate to beat me you can to make laws. Make it difficult to overturn laws allow more dialogue to really explore editions more deeply. When I look at the prison system that particular TJ and I were talking about this in a before we came when there are. I looked at our death penalty. And how it has a race's route. I've looked at through the privatization of prisons and how you actually had elected officials did he campaign dollars from private prison industries. And these are law makers who create laws to make it possible for people become paralyzed yes an incarcerated. They're giving me. But a private prison industry. And I'm Mike work keep acting as a business as usual cool getting hurt but this incarceration bid from 1968 when Nixon had its big war on drugs. To Reagan and Clinton. Mass incarceration they had not yet there doesn't appear to talk while happy birthday Ronald Reagan and ignore the Iraqi ignore crack aids and mass incarceration. For me the executive orders I hear everything bullet that you are saying. For me an exact or is seeking no. Biden's commitment to. To be good on his word when he won of his victory speeds as he said. I recognize I got here because the black community am I gonna forget that. And that the fact that in his first 180 is issuing these executive order in our housing includes essays Britney is sick you know laying it that he's aware. Them bring in ambassador Susan writes on the head to NASA policy was a signal for me that they're gonna take these issues serious. With that being said. I'm also frustrated that we only talk about black issues Iran criminal justice and housing. So I brought out beds about this time from Latin but utters a strategic assets to advocacy. And understand how the federal government works all my listeners on audience no doubt that I'm big on the local government and beings usually the local elections and how that matters every day. The federal government had a huge impact on us I was rooting out what do hotbed about the appointments are one and the cabinet the cyber thunders and the cabinet. Right as black Americans and how significant cabinet appointments really are. And in particular the administrator and best yet I want that to go to a black individual. Why because when we talk about pocketbook issues black and brown aspirin or ship is struggling. Getting accessing capital right agriculture I don't Paul you're an agriculture I have one of the center of escorted to be black. Why because an early nineteen hundreds black farmers had over 925000. Farms and provide a time that. 27 teen if we're down to about 35000. Fox over thirteen million acres a black farmland have been paid can't. People think the biggest entitlements are black went on welfare and lots. The biggest recipients of government welfare are white farmers and those who access that agriculture committee we need to pay attention to that for Agassi. Last but not least I won it. The secretary of education to be black. Why the school to present pipeline avoiding get there to colonel justice begins in third grade. And black boys are not proficient in reading at the end of third rate might want to fourth rate of quits down more than likely on the school to prison pipeline. There is a connection between illiteracy. And incarceration. And basically come to juvenile. About 60% of those who are in juvenile incarceration in a are illiterate by standards right so that is how many just are looking around the cabinet to hold a cabinet. To the fire and only time black men got to dressed. On the debate I had to stand up on that went like this to me the only time that black men got addressed on the did Democrat debate states what's around criminal justice. We didn't hear anything else around black men jobs. Art education. Not to renew or should agriculture. Health. None of that so we have to start with that. I folks we've got to get. Break in here we're gonna come back and hit on a couple of other topics gonna pick up mayor but also we still haven't talked about like mini mental health. And that statement is still is a test conversation continues folks there with.

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