Transcript for 'Real Biz': Legendary music executive Clive Davis on Whitney Houston, Bruce Springsteen and more
He every loud I'm Rebecca Jarvis I'm the ABC news chief business technology and economics correspondent I'm thrilled to have you with us today. And this is a pinch me moment for me because sitting here. On my couch in my office inside of ABC news for this episode of real is with RJ. He's the legendary Clive Davis well cup we'll think you'll I'm happy to be here. I'm thrilled to have you here there's so much to get to you have had. An incredible career the man with the golden ears you're definitely be most powerful person in the music industry hands down. Inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame. The only person who's not an artist to have that title. You worked with everybody from Whitney Houston to Janis Joplin to Alicia Keys Bruce Springsteen. We could be here all day or by name every person that you have worked with in your career and I find it fascinating that. You were on a path originally. Studying law you grew up here in Brooklyn studied law ended up. Getting into the record business was it part of your idea in life that you wanted tipping your music or was it a complete accident. It was a complete action. My parents Doug and overthrew teenager. No money 4000 goes through my name it to better. Needed scholarship to get through and boy you cut through hope it will school. I became a lawyer no portable music no training of the listening to radio okay. Shortcut through withdrawal with the firm whose clients with Columbia records and Phoebe. Three years out of law school. They came with the bowl proved to be. To become General Counsel of Columbia record Sobel. Was added to Ramos and I was making love themselves though you. I'd like federal program that will be 24. I drove from Barry. It was a good old for I didn't. And then I plugged in to news to cover about global school food. Courses and copy rights. That would would picked the Jules at about drugs. And I just learned as much about music. As I could but ears. Creatively. But I did not want practiced law in the throw in the ivory tower I want to don't understand the business problems. Five years later. But both got of the Booth and was being promoted will equal group proved that he didn't know life of these I didn't noise it is. He'd first openly that this document reports. You will be the head of the musical instrument division they have for you with the boy of the reports flood way. I've had but means that I have to move to allay akin to two. Because I want it to stay or for your fans are wont to the State of New York from way family. The next morning he called me up. He's fed by executive vice president gore would the warmth of the potential hopefully you know -- care measure of the instruments division. He'll become the head of Columbia Brooke and me and it happened to have felt way I guess it was. And how to be good to be. You know we've we've proved lucky you are now hopefully that fell by Phil but the mother Lori Pope comfortable. With chest chaplain to open this film shows play. Quote not wearing khaki. Where it is what are. There'll wearing long robes and flow within your hair I didn't know. Do we think either Irish stories true for rural pollution cultural role pollution. A more broad sword droplet of the electorate four. That had heard I knew it was a musical revolution I was there. No musical book world. But would cut Cagle other kids you've got to make you boo you know. I'd fill and draw blood and big Grover. I fell in the electorate four. Of them would cut back three weeks later Bure regional blood through its views the Bill Cooper. Played from the flowed and flowed through tears. Until trusting that instinct I'd seen the revolution comes to defendants and had a ruptured called Golan. Bruce Springsteen and believe droll you. Still. Don't put it you always to probe Floyd. Expecting failure and saying you got word to the nth degree the way the achievement scholarship. Or would the Monday to go through a boy who will hold. And so. Bill to boost prepare. That growth is like you know they don't play you records with influential world. That is Mary good point so. So for people are hearing this the the apple music documentary which is phenomenal was number one right off the bat still at the top of the charts. Called Clive Davis the soundtrack of our lives you go through so many. It goes through so many stories and so many of these histories that you packed with Houston with Bruce Springsteen I loved the Bruce Springsteen story. About when you first told him hey you gotta get some hits on this record. And gracefully he's figure no. Went back. And I broke plundered by the way and a broad spirit in the night so he could double through good coal ago. When you. Have a team from thing tonight but yours and I'm guessing you're seeing adults hit on Broadway her later this week with Aretha Franklin doing that broaden you know. It life Clegg. Got a great look. A book news. This documentary with them but the Ridley Scott for the recruitment out it was done independently crews freed killed the director. What did you think when making TO and because it because letting your life opening up your life and allowing people to take a look inside that. Open yourself up some owner of right. Without question but I want to that documentary I didn't want a blow a ball of the working and operating. And a woman she's from but it playing BI had all those great ordered. Whitney. The biggest thorn filled world will be sure all moved things fade from the Ripa. This is the film director who would because Jews here. A 105 music fused with the greed solved that word and by four plus decades. Will you created this soundtrack of our lives means so much of every song I can think of throughout my childhood. Playing on the school bus playing in the car with my parents on the way to school playing on a car when I have actually could drive my own car so many of them are the artists that you help nurture. And build into what they became like Whitney Houston for example. This documentary is NBC news and other stations. Critics have said if you love music if you go to street the documentary because it's not a puppies. It coach Wolfe and and the ability. And life in a very candid way. Whitney my life with errors but point me. Three minutes of the two hour film of what you've seen Britney but the way. The first TV movie will be approved plucked him entries come outpour agree. Unbundling and not telling the full story we show Whitney. Plaguing. Her drug addiction. You see. Conversations. That I've had with power and veterans of other word to our imploring her. To deal boo boos of the deadly addiction doesn't do so would look sugar coated but you. All Phil. True weak fifth drugs would you see her and under show aborted two of them were were from the national TV show and you see her single home from with the food full version of it. A new sea bed incredible. Talent. Boy and how she became. The great whose finger of our generation and you see her. You know be telling her you better pay and you felt seven mobile ones in roll used few that work ethic. That she. And you don't get if you understand all felons who were so good to see her as a skeleton. During the Michael Jackson concert at Madison square Gordon. Would you see her ever end of the peak of propel them singing to reduce global wall. But. Lucrative thing going views. And filled funeral for the to apply after their blood forming groups there. Insightful book but you feed the industry of closed UC mud Lloyd. Up close to resilience of the dude you don't go through. For plug decade. We had two major challenges. That tool book home. So the veil and giving you know appropriate Julia. Perseverance. Leaving as if you will Collins is today inspirational. Among the different thought of that ultimately crumbled in bullet or. I'd met feel to be on the other side. Strange strange you worry about it. Put got to feel the first week we entered in the both Philip up 200 dollar dreams have broken well. A leading gradually has written well I think that right Phil would for drug. Do you feel being on this side of it that you understand. Things that may be the artist we're trying to tell you in a different way. No. One bit advised ordinance what they have to say that they can truth for color that they've got a big got from her ankle please. Pour your heart out as to what you feel it's powerful. Although filled. Speaking at Columbia I didn't they could go to materially only of was independently Bertrand noble all boil. All boy agreed pre grove ago. The bug. There's going to be agency shall. Once again you know it is the night of news should we all can be and there. To fill the breaking news or. These are good time for newsroom where it. You think that I think that's an interesting point coming from you because. You know covering business and technology the music industry has come through some major growing pains youth and art is have spoken out at length about how hard it is to make money in the music industry today and you have a number of companies that. Our publishing music and art is get a smaller cut of that music right you. Still it's interesting that you would say that it's a good time for world. Duchardt come with compared to three of four years ago when the public felt that you could have used it for nothing rightly you felt one draw it. Did the new digital technology. Written to music you know and antiquated. Quote Robert they'll will be looked beyond the end throughs. Views big storms screaming pleas from Poland bill if and so. Streamed worldwide you build that it's full of life is the central and as meaningful. As of the big four and all of a sudden if true for flood views dental group we went backwards. And the overall revenues or all of 51015. With. Through that yes we have a trio went to work out prepare equities split I was tub means he could shared. And Woodward book. We collect music from broadcast Jews from of influences. To reflect it fell you and programming everywhere. So of course. The equity of it and how grilled Brcko. Book it was moment. It is with the flow of revenues it is record company's growing again and book contracting in. Doe who would it should cool club and they've Booth. Institute for recorded music big give them. It's a doctorate of footnotes. To agree. If you both deployed to grow and you know at them ramming through that. Two years ago with students will question is there were few true music all we in the right place with all the via all the book. Public thing they should give it three. Look this is a business program. We know. 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She stepped forward in February. But she does to fool Warner's home four wins. The other route is that we're live lovable formed a like commission. Eight years earlier approval would form well but all week. Drew wood fence and the great food code to grow Corbett sharp. Vote Whitney. Have found that fool. She felt warm B and doubtful that I knew that compose foods cope with the there. When it was tourist route she was a vocal genius. So that when you see Britney interest through. Being personally you. Because you've seen an early documentary. To agree QB movie. The Whitney Google was totally. A product of the tabloids. Unit and teach what do you remember when she fell in double what was worldview and she to have pregnant. Poured. Turn. To be ordinance and would read to themselves for that. Incredible go. That was a not true. What London where he should move from mobile as a teenager. Never told what to Wear and of the capital until order is filled should be strong woman for a woman all of working woman. The power of drugs led to a premature to appeal of that is so. So devastating. That looked true group code. Put one should not obscure. Water woes so that every book with a struggle followed through with the root of the issue keys were moved fields. Britney is that a close put herself of the greatest anger of the generation that chose. The I'm proud that used to commit crucial flaws. When you look at upping coming artists today what do you think is the biggest mistake they're making. I don't think when you look at the open coming or is that they are making a mistake I would think that the industry. And radio which is too vulnerable one word to break a board of you've got to show that it cannot be dominated like urban mainstream news culminated. Almost under present put the ball of low coupon. I'm finding. They're. Boy funding and will phase. 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How in nurturing you have banned so many careers and so many of these people and that. They all bring the talent in the steel to the table but without that mentor ship without that person looking out for that it could be as we're organ. A group of the development executive bill will be all right Michael Friday goofy humbled them with the Ripa she's seeking. Oranges you know and you nurture if not a threatening things of that I'm thrilled I've moved up there. When Ridley Scott for recruit for co picked these live picked. Fed. And to hear them troll about a live together will be viewed sleeper. Feldman to go for uncle Howard truth for drew broad approval order. To be there's signaled they never expected that. So but the right relationship. Is the club where reports. The auto physical what talent would you feel home or would genes. You of something to or for Bach. And collaborated. And so that you could still. Being glued them decades later nurturing that Korea. One of the things that has come up in the news lately and Hollywood in particular these terrible sexual harassment claims. And I wonder if you think that. Given your experience in. Helping to nurture so many counts if you think that there's anything that culturally needs to change. About Hollywood. Or the music industry. Listen I think that clearly. Everything you read in I read your nobody or vigilant though they have banishing. Offenders. From membership of the killed they realized that whatever have existed in the you know wood was. Brooke of glossed over needs to be uncovered. And this is some serious serious serious problem. Booth got to be things. It's hopeful of it goes. Well without question. The sexual growth Lyndon and in the form in this role being fooled. It's going to be Boogaard. In every way. I ask everybody has questions heavy fur and I'll ask you what is the worst advice you've been given in your career. Okay hopefully. Amid fruitful for OK. 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What an incredible story would drew and your life is filled with patent. Well. May be four of the documentaries global war and you'll listen to condone vote. I iTunes you can download it's not apple music Clive Davis the soundtrack of our lives we have a few to have one last question Taylor. I'm sure we're getting a ton of questions it will give them what our quest will be home. Thick and the pilots what's the best advice prayers and artists just starting out in the. The best advice. Depends all on with the Reuter. What you were pulled forward dependent on of the people's Reuters. That's key to separate. Because if you were pulled formal. And if everybody's that you gotta write that approval and Whitney if that filled the noble won't came to me and but government co writer. Janet Jackson but to be competitive. They're co Reuters. The critics don't seem to have respect for what commercials since. Because I don't Reuters. Should I write and I always. 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Clive Davis you're filled with wisdom I love this conversation thank you for coming blood flow thank you for joining me again it's called Clive Davis but soundtrack of our lives you can download it on iTunes view. Number one an apple music. Congratulations on everything you obviously never need to hear that from me but you've got to go rentable banging your career that and I really appreciate you sharing the wisdom here with us thank you through. And thank you all appreciate it. Keep those comments coming let us know what you're thinking about and let us know what question you haven't we you'd like to see here. On the next real lives thanks ever want have a great day.
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